The bad part about Dangerous is "Why You Wanna Trip on Me", "In the Closet" and "She Drives Me Wild" all sound the same. When I listen to them, it sounds like ONE long song. I love the records though

ViintageJunkiie said:

The bad part about Dangerous is "Why You Wanna Trip on Me", "In the Closet" and "She Drives Me Wild" all sound the same. When I listen to them, it sounds like ONE long song. I love the records though

I don't mind it, but maybe Remember the Time would have been a better choice after Why You Wanna Trip On Me, something like this:

Jam

Why You Wanna Trip On Me

Remember the Time

In The Closet

She Drives Me Wild

Can't Let Her Get Away

Derek1984 said:

The only change I would've made to Dangerous would be taking out KTF and putting Planet Earth (Earth Song) in its place. Otherwise, it's a perfect album. She Drives Me Wild is a favorite of mine.

ViintageJunkiie said:

The bad part about Dangerous is "Why You Wanna Trip on Me", "In the Closet" and "She Drives Me Wild" all sound the same. When I listen to them, it sounds like ONE long song. I love the records though

lol it's like "hey let's stick to the same formula". You didn't get that feeling with previous albums. I don't know if it was because Michael and Teddy dug it or maybe Teddy was lazy and decided "hey let's just do the same patterns..." wish there was more funk in it like "Jam".

bboy87 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

It was supposed to be included as a bonus? Oh that would've been HORRID!

It was never meant for Dangerous It was strictly for The Simpsons. Thinking about it, it should've been included on one of their soundtrack albums like the one Do The Bartman was on

It was supposed to be on the bonus disc of the 2001 special edition but we know what happened with that

Am I the only one who feels it's too short?

ViintageJunkiie said:

The bad part about Dangerous is "Why You Wanna Trip on Me", "In the Closet" and "She Drives Me Wild" all sound the same. When I listen to them, it sounds like ONE long song. I love the records though

I am crazy about She Drives Me Wild. That's one of my all time favourite MJ songs.

paisleypark4 said:

Derek1984 said:

The only change I would've made to Dangerous would be taking out KTF and putting Planet Earth (Earth Song) in its place. Otherwise, it's a perfect album. She Drives Me Wild is a favorite of mine.

Oh lord no. Gone Too Soon is the one.

I love Gone to Soon. It's been very hard listening to it after June 25, but it's breathtakingly beautiful. His voice is heavenly on it. It's so pure and magical.

paisleypark4 said:

bboy87 said:

It was never meant for Dangerous It was strictly for The Simpsons. Thinking about it, it should've been included on one of their soundtrack albums like the one Do The Bartman was on

It was supposed to be on the bonus disc of the 2001 special edition but we know what happened with that

Am I the only one who feels it's too short?

LIYB is included on one of their soundtrack albums. [img:$uid]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61VXxkHipEL._SL500_AA300_.jpg[/img:$uid]

I rather some of the Dangerous outtakes be included in the special edition, having Michael's version of Lisa It's Your Birthday would be kinda silly to me (for some reason lol)

So "Glee" is going to do a MJ tribute episode

I am not liking the "Likes Boys" T-shirt on Kurt. The wrong episode to wear it on, though I dig Kurt and his dad.

The youtube glee and MJ parody has more going for it.

Anyways, back to Dangerous. Songs on Off The Wall had similar concepts to one another too, maybe it's just the order it was in that makes it come off that way though I do love playing it all the way through most of the time.

NaughtyKitty said:

So "Glee" is going to do a MJ tribute episode

Eh whatever.

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I've never seen this. So sad and cute. The funniest is the third part.

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Damn it. How do I make the other links work? Why hasn't anyone invented some simple button just for putting up youtube videos?

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dag said:

I've never seen this. So sad and cute. The funniest is the third part.

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http://www.youtube.com/wa...d[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYAPNXbb2M4&feature=related[/youtube]

Damn it. How do I make the other links work? Why hasn't anyone invented some simple button just for putting up youtube videos?

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Thanks, Timmy.

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dag said:

Thanks, Timmy.

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Hey no prob.

NaughtyKitty said:

So "Glee" is going to do a MJ tribute episode

Oh no.

NaughtyKitty said:

So "Glee" is going to do a MJ tribute episode

And here's what I WISH Michael could do about this....

^LOVE that parody of Glee covering Michael's music! This parody is probably better than the actual episode itself.

Yeah. Key of Awesome are perfect anyway. I love the parodies I've seen so far from them.

Not that I have time to read 800 replies, but has anyone discussed the Michael album. I thought it was quite good (I bought it on special 3 months ago). Monster and Hold my hand are really good and Hollywood tonite, is one of his catchiest singles ever, what does everyone else think of it.

Amy Winehouse and the pitfalls of posthumous albums

It didn't even take a week for Lioness: Hidden Treasures, the posthumous album from troubled British singer Amy Winehouse that was released on December 2, to top the UK charts. Fans couldn't wait to snatch up the presumably last album from the multi-Grammy winner whose previous release was Back to Black, all the way back in 2006.

Fan and critic reviews have been mixed but that's not uncommon for posthumous albums.Michael, the King of Pop's posthumous album released in December 2010, was extremely controversial, with fans questioning if the vocals even belonged to MJ. There was also talk that Michael Jackson would have never consented to the album's release because it was a poor reflection of his talent. Nevertheless, Michael topped the R&B/Hip-Hop Billboard charts and reached number three on the Billboard charts overall. It also went platinum in the United States and over a dozen other countries.

theGrio: 'Michael' is no ... isn't bad

Tupac, of course, has not had that problem. His posthumous releases have been plentiful and generally well-received. Of the eight albums released after his tragic death in 1996, five have topped the Billboard R&B/Hip-Hop chart, with only one failing to go platinum. Many critics have also embraced the work as easily as fans.

This is not typical though. The criticism that the posthumous releases from Amy Winehouse and Michael Jackson have received is normal. Generally, these albums are thrown together. The song selections are sequenced after the artist's death. And, on top of that, the songs were unfinished at the artist's death in both of these cases.

But, even if an artist would have sanctioned a posthumous release, chances are it would be almost impossible for it to live up to the hype, especially since the artist is not around to promote it. People, whether they admit or not, are very swayed by a personality. That's why promoting music is so important. And, many times, an artist can promote a subpar song to hit status. So, without the artist around to promote or defend the work, the fan and critic can't help but look at the music for what it is.

Worse yet, the work now becomes more than that moment. Because the artist is no longer here, it has to not just stand but stand up against the overall body of work. In death, there are no throw-away tracks or songs that were just good enough. When a colossal talent such as Michael Jackson will not make music anymore, the expectations become gargantuan and no release can live up to that.

With Michael, it wasn't just if it was good but, rather, did it match Thriller or Off the Wall? People so want the last work of their beloved artists to be great. They want it to somehow put an exclamation mark on their longtime love affair with their music.

Tupac's posthumous releases have not generally disappointed because he was extremely prolific. Even during the constant drama that was his life, he made music like most people punch a clock. There were no long breaks without creating something. His posthumous releases were laid down by him and, as such, were not helped along much after his death so those songs were very much a part of his grand musical vision. This is what made Sam Cooke's "A Change is Gonna Come" a classic though he was not alive to see its release.

Also, Tupac was very well aware of his mortality. Whether we like to admit it or not, many of us don't truly believe we will die and we certainly don't prepare for it. Tupac was hyper aware of this and had an urgency in his music that spoke to it often. He frequently rhymed about life and death, which is a perennially timeless topic. Trust and loyalty was also of great interest to him as well as living life to the fullest. Plus his mother, Afeni Shakur, who is very protective of his work, has guided his legacy well. But, then again, that's easy to do when you have so much to work with.

With Michael Jackson, there have been so many other distractions like the custody of his children, control of his estate and the Conrad Murray trial that his music has gotten lost in the shuffle. As impossible as it is to believe, one could argue that his music has been greatly overshadowed by all the other drama in his life.

It's not hard for the first posthumous release from an artist to hit big. We saw that with NotoriousB.I.G. as well. Still, most artists score best after death with songs created during their lifetime. Ray Charles's music, for example, has done very well since his death in 2004 and so has Michael Jackson's. So, when it comes to evaluating an artist's legacy, it is much better to look at his or her best instead of remnants of what was or could have been.

http://www.thegrio.com/sp...lbums.php?

ViintageJunkiie said:

The bad part about Dangerous is "Why You Wanna Trip on Me", "In the Closet" and "She Drives Me Wild" all sound the same. When I listen to them, it sounds like ONE long song. I love the records though

Not a damn thing wrong with those songs honey. You do know sometimes songs sync into each other on some aritsts albums. Clean out your ears [img:$uid]http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r67/babybugz10457/funny%20smilies/coffee.gif[/img:$uid]

babybugz said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

The bad part about Dangerous is "Why You Wanna Trip on Me", "In the Closet" and "She Drives Me Wild" all sound the same. When I listen to them, it sounds like ONE long song. I love the records though

Not a damn thing wrong with those songs honey. You do know sometimes songs sync into each other on some aritsts albums. Clean out your ears [img:$uid]http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r67/babybugz10457/funny%20smilies/coffee.gif[/img:$uid]

I like repetitiveness. They do sync into each other though.

Timmy84 said:

bboy87 said:

It was never meant for Dangerous It was strictly for The Simpsons. Thinking about it, it should've been included on one of their soundtrack albums like the one Do The Bartman was on

It was supposed to be on the bonus disc of the 2001 special edition but we know what happened with that

Am I the only one who feels it's too short?

The only song I think was left out was Someone Put Your Hand Out but apparently that was recorded in 1992 but why couldn't they put that in the special edition? Someone Put Your Hand Out would've also been the perfect song to actually END the album. It needed a love ballad or two on it...

Someone Put Your Hand Out was done in early '91 along with Remember The Time and the other songs. It should've been on the album instead of the dreadful Heal The World

bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

The only song I think was left out was Someone Put Your Hand Out but apparently that was recorded in 1992 but why couldn't they put that in the special edition? Someone Put Your Hand Out would've also been the perfect song to actually END the album. It needed a love ballad or two on it...

Someone Put Your Hand Out was done in early '91 along with Remember The Time and the other songs. It should've been on the album instead of the dreadful Heal The World

Ah! Now see, that just proves Michael dropped the ball with that song...

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Timmy84 said:

bboy87 said:

Someone Put Your Hand Out was done in early '91 along with Remember The Time and the other songs. It should've been on the album instead of the dreadful Heal The World

Ah! Now see, that just proves Michael dropped the ball with that song...

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Nah, it's about the direction of the album. The lyrics and subject is very similar to Will You Be There (which could've been edited down IMO) so there was a conflict

There was a lot of material left off that album. Of all the unreleased stuff circulating, the most comes from Thriller and Dangerous

I have never been in this thread before, so I hope briging this topic up is not retreading a recycled tire - too much.

Michael Jackson: The Life of an Icon was really well done. I had never heard her interviewed and I found Katherine to be very compelling, smart, interesting, sweet... well spoken!! Tito won me over many years back, and it is always nice to hear him reflect on the Jacksons. Rebbie, too. David Guest lives and breathes beyond that crazy moment with Liza - did not see that coming. I appreciated seeing some of the finer and somewhat misunderstood parts of Michael's life acknowledged and addressed.

My favorite moment was the shocking bit about Liz Taylor being under the weather until a $250,000.00 necklace showed up and healed her - was that an act of prostitution? I think that there must be some even more interesting stories right there.

Also, Berry not stepping in to assure the J5 stayed at Motown was interesting - and crazy. But Berry let a lot of people he loved and who had performed well in the sales department go without a fight.

It seems like M and Diane stopped being close at some point in the eighties. ??