Emancipation89 said:

SEANMAN said:

I think she can move because, well, she can. She's not a bad dancer at all. Look at the videos for Bad Romance, Love Game, Just Dance, etc, and you'll see that she has skills. I think she's actually quite good at choreography. Her dancing is just one part of the whole, not something that stands on its own. In the dance-barometer meter , she's not as good as Janet, but better than Christina and WAY better than Mariah.

Better than Christina? I beg to differ.

Gaga has a choreographer, Laurriane Gibson. (pretty sure I spelled her name wrong) I don't know if u watched the show "DANCE SCENE", but she comes up with skilled complicated choreography for other pop stars, who actually CAN DANCE. But for GAGA she always comes up with something simple and easy, like honestly....I think if you're somewhat flexible, u can do it too.

And that's just technicality talk. She just doesn't deliver the emotion right through dancing. Christina is a lot better dancer imo.

I think she has a slight edge over Xtina. I don't think Xtina's a bad dancer either, but after watching Gaga perform live with choreography, and dancing to full extent in her videos, I've gotta give it to her. For instance, in the LoveGame clip, she kills that shit from 2:54 until the end

SEANMAN said:

Emancipation89 said:

Better than Christina? I beg to differ.

Gaga has a choreographer, Laurriane Gibson. (pretty sure I spelled her name wrong) I don't know if u watched the show "DANCE SCENE", but she comes up with skilled complicated choreography for other pop stars, who actually CAN DANCE. But for GAGA she always comes up with something simple and easy, like honestly....I think if you're somewhat flexible, u can do it too.

And that's just technicality talk. She just doesn't deliver the emotion right through dancing. Christina is a lot better dancer imo.

I think she has a slight edge over Xtina. I don't think Xtina's a bad dancer either, but after watching Gaga perform live with choreography, and dancing to full extent in her videos, I've gotta give it to her. For instance, in the LoveGame clip, she kills that shit from 2:54 until the end

Yes I actually had watched the musicvideo and thanks to u I just watched it again Yup she does 1 spin, jumps, stretch her arms out and boom boom kack But nope. it wasn't impressive at all...sorry. If U think it's good....I should let it go we just have different standards thats all.

For me personally, I'd say people who are able to dance on stage and move the crowd without 20 backup dancers on stage, without crazy costume or slutty outfit, without any other effects, just with single spotlight and purely by the body movements, are the ones who deserve to be called "entertainers who can dance" U know, the ones who don't look like they memorized and practiced the choreography, but the ones who dance as if the music is moving their body parts...

Emancipation89 said:

SEANMAN said:

I think she has a slight edge over Xtina. I don't think Xtina's a bad dancer either, but after watching Gaga perform live with choreography, and dancing to full extent in her videos, I've gotta give it to her. For instance, in the LoveGame clip, she kills that shit from 2:54 until the end

Yes I actually had watched the musicvideo and thanks to u I just watched it again Yup she does 1 spin, jumps, stretch her arms out and boom boom kack But nope. it wasn't impressive at all...sorry. If U think it's good....I should let it go we just have different standards thats all.

For me personally, I'd say people who are able to dance on stage and move the crowd without 20 backup dancers on stage, without crazy costume or slutty outfit, without any other effects, just with single spotlight and purely by the body movements, are the ones who deserve to be called "entertainers who can dance" U know, the ones who don't look like they memorized and practiced the choreography, but the ones who dance as if the music is moving their body parts...

Ok, we can agree to disagree. But, like I said, Gaga is an all-around talented entertainer. She writes (not only for herself but for others as well), sings, dances, plays an instrument, produces, she's creative and she's fascinating to watch. She may do some things better than others, but all the parts come together to make one cohesively talented whole, IMO.

SEANMAN said:

Emancipation89 said:

Yes I actually had watched the musicvideo and thanks to u I just watched it again Yup she does 1 spin, jumps, stretch her arms out and boom boom kack But nope. it wasn't impressive at all...sorry. If U think it's good....I should let it go we just have different standards thats all.

For me personally, I'd say people who are able to dance on stage and move the crowd without 20 backup dancers on stage, without crazy costume or slutty outfit, without any other effects, just with single spotlight and purely by the body movements, are the ones who deserve to be called "entertainers who can dance" U know, the ones who don't look like they memorized and practiced the choreography, but the ones who dance as if the music is moving their body parts...

Ok, we can agree to disagree. But, like I said, Gaga is an all-around talented entertainer. She writes (not only for herself but for others as well), sings, dances, plays an instrument, produces, she's creative and she's fascinating to watch. She may do some things better than others, but all the parts come together to make one cohesively talented whole, IMO.

Mmmm thats an exaggeration. I guess its all a matter of opinion. Gaga is not a great dancer, she isnt creative or unique (her music and image that is) The fact that she plays an instrument doesnt make her special at all. The fact that she writes her own songs doesnt make them 'good' Not bashing her but you were way overhyping her LOL

SEANMAN said:

Emancipation89 said:

Better than Christina? I beg to differ.

Gaga has a choreographer, Laurriane Gibson. (pretty sure I spelled her name wrong) I don't know if u watched the show "DANCE SCENE", but she comes up with skilled complicated choreography for other pop stars, who actually CAN DANCE. But for GAGA she always comes up with something simple and easy, like honestly....I think if you're somewhat flexible, u can do it too.

And that's just technicality talk. She just doesn't deliver the emotion right through dancing. Christina is a lot better dancer imo.

I think she has a slight edge over Xtina. I don't think Xtina's a bad dancer either, but after watching Gaga perform live with choreography, and dancing to full extent in her videos, I've gotta give it to her. For instance, in the LoveGame clip, she kills that shit from 2:54 until the end

Are you serious Seanman??? You being a Janet fanatic and all I dont know why in Gods name you would find that great. She isnt even dancing. The choregraphy isnt intricate enough and she is doing slight movements. Grabbing your crotch and sliding on the floor aint dancing.

Shes bouncing the entire time... LOL

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mjscarousal said:

SEANMAN said:

Ok, we can agree to disagree. But, like I said, Gaga is an all-around talented entertainer. She writes (not only for herself but for others as well), sings, dances, plays an instrument, produces, she's creative and she's fascinating to watch. She may do some things better than others, but all the parts come together to make one cohesively talented whole, IMO.

Mmmm thats an exaggeration. I guess its all a matter of opinion. Gaga is not a great dancer, she isnt creative or unique (her music and image that is) The fact that she plays an instrument doesnt make her special at all. The fact that she writes her own songs doesnt make them 'good' Not bashing her but you were way overhyping her LOL

I never said she was a "great" dancer. And playing an instrument doesn't make her special, no, but she has a talent at playing the piano. I think she is very creative. Look at what she did at the VMAs. Totally unexpected, avante-garde and not the standard for pop stars of today, in particular. Whether her songs are good or not is subjective, and a matter of opinion. She's undeniably got some great, catchy pop songs. It's not overhyping to name everything she does in her career, it's just stating what's true.

mjscarousal said:

SEANMAN said:

I think she has a slight edge over Xtina. I don't think Xtina's a bad dancer either, but after watching Gaga perform live with choreography, and dancing to full extent in her videos, I've gotta give it to her. For instance, in the LoveGame clip, she kills that shit from 2:54 until the end

Are you serious Seanman??? You being a Janet fanatic and all I dont know why in Gods name you would find that great. She isnt even dancing. The choregraphy isnt intricate enough and she is doing slight movements. Grabbing your crotch and sliding on the floor aint dancing.

Shes bouncing the entire time... LOL

[Edited 9/8/11 21:00pm]

It's no Pleasure Principle, but dammit she killed that part!!

SEANMAN said:

mjscarousal said:

Mmmm thats an exaggeration. I guess its all a matter of opinion. Gaga is not a great dancer, she isnt creative or unique (her music and image that is) The fact that she plays an instrument doesnt make her special at all. The fact that she writes her own songs doesnt make them 'good' Not bashing her but you were way overhyping her LOL

I never said she was a "great" dancer. And playing an instrument doesn't make her special, no, but she has a talent at playing the piano. I think she is very creative. Look at what she did at the VMAs. Totally unexpected, avante-garde and not the standard for pop stars of today, in particular. Whether her songs are good or not is subjective, and a matter of opinion. She's undeniably got some great, catchy pop songs. It's not overhyping to name everything she does in her career, it's just stating what's true.

No no you said that she was creative and Im specifically refering to her MUSIC and image. She rehatches shit that has already been done before from her sound to her image. Now if YOU find someone creative who basically swaggerjacks the entire 80's decade with their music and image then thats YOU that doesnt make it NEW or different which the word CREATIVE means. She isnt doing anything different. I never denied Gaga wasnt talented even though her talent is very overrated and nothing special. Her pop songs are just as catchy as a Nelly or Snoop Dog song c'mon Like I said she makes regular pop music. Its nothing groundbreaking about it like your overpraise posts are making it to be.

I dont watch MTV so I wouldnt know nor do I care.

SEANMAN said:

mjscarousal said:

Are you serious Seanman??? You being a Janet fanatic and all I dont know why in Gods name you would find that great. She isnt even dancing. The choregraphy isnt intricate enough and she is doing slight movements. Grabbing your crotch and sliding on the floor aint dancing.

Shes bouncing the entire time... LOL

[Edited 9/8/11 21:00pm]

It's no Pleasure Principle, but dammit she killed that part!!

Your insane but I still luv u though LOL

SEANMAN said:

Emancipation89 said:

Yes I actually had watched the musicvideo and thanks to u I just watched it again Yup she does 1 spin, jumps, stretch her arms out and boom boom kack But nope. it wasn't impressive at all...sorry. If U think it's good....I should let it go we just have different standards thats all.

For me personally, I'd say people who are able to dance on stage and move the crowd without 20 backup dancers on stage, without crazy costume or slutty outfit, without any other effects, just with single spotlight and purely by the body movements, are the ones who deserve to be called "entertainers who can dance" U know, the ones who don't look like they memorized and practiced the choreography, but the ones who dance as if the music is moving their body parts...

Ok, we can agree to disagree. But, like I said, Gaga is an all-around talented entertainer. She writes (not only for herself but for others as well), sings, dances, plays an instrument, produces, she's creative and she's fascinating to watch. She may do some things better than others, but all the parts come together to make one cohesively talented whole, IMO.

Totally agree, and I love the choreography in lovegame, but i'd say her best dancing can be seen in live performances of Judas.

SEANMAN said:

I love Madonna and Lady Gaga, but this is just getting ridiculous. If what Madonna said came off as she thinks Lady Gaga is obsessed with her, then I'm sure it's not what she really meant. Also, Lady Gaga shows influences from MANY different artists, not just Madonna, which many people just don't seem to get. This "Lady Gaga is copying Madonna" thing has gotten to extreme and, dare I say, fanatical heights. Could it be that Madonna didn't take any legal action against Gaga for "Born This Way" because, just maybe, she doesn't hear any similarity in the song to her own "Express Yourself"? Or, if she hears any similarity, maybe she thinks it's too miniscule to even waste her time with, and laughs at how the whole world is seemingly in an uproar about it.

Gaga has given Madonna many props, so why so many people are always rabidly eager to equate anything she does from walking to breathing with anything Madonna has done, is doing, or will do is just baffling. It's like they have something at stake by comparing the two women. I'm sure Madonna doesn't spend her every waking moment wondering what Lady Gaga is up to, and vice versa. Gaga is obviously a student of tons of music icons, from pop to rock. She's a student of the arts. She's "obsessed" with everything from Springsteen to Warhol. She's like the talented lovechild of many, many artists.

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Best. Post. In. The. Entire. Thread. Period.

I think Gaga can't dance at all. Especially LIVE, it's horrible, IMO. I have seen her live, and I liked the show, but after seeing it back on tv.. I thought it was too fake.

She shouldn't dance, she should just do the things she does best. Her lack of her energy is already showing...

I think she's got a good voice, and better voice as Madonna. But she isn't musically better as Madonna, no. Madonna her music is more interesting and more experimental. Gaga her music sounds to me bit too basic. It doesn't have a lot of soul, only when she plays it on the piano, but even that is bit too dramatic most of the times, in the beginning of her career, she was original and fun to listen to and watch. Now I don't like her anymore, it's become too fake.

I think she should just do like what she did in her beginning, not exactly the same, but just the basis of it. Just not trying to be too dramatic. I like excentric things and people but she way over the top, and it all seems fake to me. I don't see any true excentric things in her anymore, she is just trying to be a circus clown.

Gaga can sing.

Gaga can NOT dance.

While her dancing has, slightly, improved a bit now her earlier stuff is damn near unbearable to watch in that aspect. It's like she has no grace when she dances. It just looks so awkward. I always avert my eyes to the back up dancers.

Unholyalliance said:

Gaga can sing.

Gaga can NOT dance.

While her dancing has, slightly, improved a bit now her earlier stuff is damn near unbearable to watch in that aspect. It's like she has no grace when she dances. It just looks so awkward. I always avert my eyes to the back up dancers.

My opinion is the opposite. I feel she has grown as a dancer. "Telephone", "Bad Romance", and "Alejandro" all showcase her broadening dance skills.

She's had the same choreographer basically the whole time, from the beginning. She is not a great choreographer. The choreography is a bit boring and very simplistic at times. However, Gaga has magnetism that enhances it. I enjoy watching her. I've seen her live and I was a bit disappointed merely because my favorite dance routine ("Poker Face") is done at the END of her shows and lacks the punch it would have if it were done in the beginning.

In her videos, where obviously the best takes are used, she looks great to me. Doesn't need to be a Janet Jackson or Britney rehash, she is doing her thing. Like every other person who dances.

So. The. Fuck. What.

People are so shady and insecure, always gotta tear someone down. Blah blah blah. Stay pressed.

xLiberiangirl said:

I think Gaga can't dance at all. Especially LIVE, it's horrible, IMO. I have seen her live, and I liked the show, but after seeing it back on tv.. I thought it was too fake.

She shouldn't dance, she should just do the things she does best. Her lack of her energy is already showing...

I think she's got a good voice, and better voice as Madonna. But she isn't musically better as Madonna, no. Madonna her music is more interesting and more experimental. Gaga her music sounds to me bit too basic. It doesn't have a lot of soul, only when she plays it on the piano, but even that is bit too dramatic most of the times, in the beginning of her career, she was original and fun to listen to and watch. Now I don't like her anymore, it's become too fake.

I think she should just do like what she did in her beginning, not exactly the same, but just the basis of it. Just not trying to be too dramatic. I like excentric things and people but she way over the top, and it all seems fake to me. I don't see any true excentric things in her anymore, she is just trying to be a circus clown.

wow talk about really phoneing in a performance.very lazy.

M is always full of fire and passion and shes been doing all of it allot longer...

xperience319 said:

xLiberiangirl said:

I think Gaga can't dance at all. Especially LIVE, it's horrible, IMO. I have seen her live, and I liked the show, but after seeing it back on tv.. I thought it was too fake.

She shouldn't dance, she should just do the things she does best. Her lack of her energy is already showing...

I think she's got a good voice, and better voice as Madonna. But she isn't musically better as Madonna, no. Madonna her music is more interesting and more experimental. Gaga her music sounds to me bit too basic. It doesn't have a lot of soul, only when she plays it on the piano, but even that is bit too dramatic most of the times, in the beginning of her career, she was original and fun to listen to and watch. Now I don't like her anymore, it's become too fake.

I think she should just do like what she did in her beginning, not exactly the same, but just the basis of it. Just not trying to be too dramatic. I like excentric things and people but she way over the top, and it all seems fake to me. I don't see any true excentric things in her anymore, she is just trying to be a circus clown.

wow talk about really phoneing in a performance.very lazy.

M is always full of fire and passion and shes been doing all of it allot longer...

If you've never seen a phoned-in performance by Madonna, you aren't looking for it. She's done plenty. All artists have and do. It happens. We're human.

Spinlight said:

xperience319 said:

wow talk about really phoneing in a performance.very lazy.

M is always full of fire and passion and shes been doing all of it allot longer...

If you've never seen a phoned-in performance by Madonna, you aren't looking for it. She's done plenty. All artists have and do. It happens. We're human.

I thought this was not good, not saying all her performances are like that, but these performances were not good, IMO.

xLiberiangirl said:

Spinlight said:

If you've never seen a phoned-in performance by Madonna, you aren't looking for it. She's done plenty. All artists have and do. It happens. We're human.

I thought this was not good, not saying all her performances are like that, but these performances were not good, IMO.

I checked out those 2 videos and I would agree - those are kind of aimless.

That's by far the biggest stage I've ever seen her have, too. When I saw her live, it was the smaller version of the Monster Ball from 2009. She had just a small stage to work with and she really turned it out from beginning to end. I mean, I've seen Prince in concert work less than this girl did.

Those videos... I don't know what to say other than its too big of a stage for her artistic concept and she really seems quite exhausted in them. Hell, she isn't singing for most of it.

Spinlight said:

Unholyalliance said:

Gaga can sing.

Gaga can NOT dance.

While her dancing has, slightly, improved a bit now her earlier stuff is damn near unbearable to watch in that aspect. It's like she has no grace when she dances. It just looks so awkward. I always avert my eyes to the back up dancers.

My opinion is the opposite. I feel she has grown as a dancer. "Telephone", "Bad Romance", and "Alejandro" all showcase her broadening dance skills.

She's had the same choreographer basically the whole time, from the beginning. She is not a great choreographer. The choreography is a bit boring and very simplistic at times. However, Gaga has magnetism that enhances it. I enjoy watching her. I've seen her live and I was a bit disappointed merely because my favorite dance routine ("Poker Face") is done at the END of her shows and lacks the punch it would have if it were done in the beginning.

In her videos, where obviously the best takes are used, she looks great to me. Doesn't need to be a Janet Jackson or Britney rehash, she is doing her thing. Like every other person who dances.

So. The. Fuck. What.

People are so shady and insecure, always gotta tear someone down. Blah blah blah. Stay pressed.

in the telephone video gaga was out dancing beyonce. Beyonce looked so sloppy and heavy in that video.

xLiberiangirl said:

I think Gaga can't dance at all. Especially LIVE, it's horrible, IMO. I have seen her live, and I liked the show, but after seeing it back on tv.. I thought it was too fake.

She shouldn't dance, she should just do the things she does best. Her lack of her energy is already showing...

I think she's got a good voice, and better voice as Madonna. But she isn't musically better as Madonna, no. Madonna her music is more interesting and more experimental. Gaga her music sounds to me bit too basic. It doesn't have a lot of soul, only when she plays it on the piano, but even that is bit too dramatic most of the times, in the beginning of her career, she was original and fun to listen to and watch. Now I don't like her anymore, it's become too fake.

I think she should just do like what she did in her beginning, not exactly the same, but just the basis of it. Just not trying to be too dramatic. I like excentric things and people but she way over the top, and it all seems fake to me. I don't see any true excentric things in her anymore, she is just trying to be a circus clown.

I just saw the clips posted of her performances and she and madonna have so much in common and both NEED GIMMICKS!!!. I feel like lady gaga tries way too hard, and she knows she would be irrelavant without them. I also think she is putting on this fake persona. She grew up in a sheltered life and now all of a sudden she is this "Freak" its just unbelievable.

When i saw the MTV awards and saw lady gagas performance that was the first time I noticed she couldn't dance. And the dance routines are just so wack!!!

NaughtyKitty said:

SEANMAN said:

I love Madonna and Lady Gaga, but this is just getting ridiculous. If what Madonna said came off as she thinks Lady Gaga is obsessed with her, then I'm sure it's not what she really meant. Also, Lady Gaga shows influences from MANY different artists, not just Madonna, which many people just don't seem to get. This "Lady Gaga is copying Madonna" thing has gotten to extreme and, dare I say, fanatical heights. Could it be that Madonna didn't take any legal action against Gaga for "Born This Way" because, just maybe, she doesn't hear any similarity in the song to her own "Express Yourself"? Or, if she hears any similarity, maybe she thinks it's too miniscule to even waste her time with, and laughs at how the whole world is seemingly in an uproar about it.

Gaga has given Madonna many props, so why so many people are always rabidly eager to equate anything she does from walking to breathing with anything Madonna has done, is doing, or will do is just baffling. It's like they have something at stake by comparing the two women. I'm sure Madonna doesn't spend her every waking moment wondering what Lady Gaga is up to, and vice versa. Gaga is obviously a student of tons of music icons, from pop to rock. She's a student of the arts. She's "obsessed" with everything from Springsteen to Warhol. She's like the talented lovechild of many, many artists.

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Best. Post. In. The. Entire. Thread. Period.

I agree

what was the Madonna & Janet fued about. Same for Mariah?

datdude said:

what was the Madonna & Janet fued about. Same for Mariah?

I'm oretty sure it was about an interview Janet did where she said she had a little more class than Madonna, but I'm not sure

RKJCNE said:

ThePopLover2 said:

Right, because "Like A Virgin" didnt sound EXACTLY like MJ's "Billie Jean"

From the New Yorker:

One of the more interesting memories comes from Daryl Hall, who says that when he was recording “We Are the World” Jackson approached him and admitted to stealing from a Hall and Oates song for “Billie Jean.” Hall says that he told Jackson that he had stolen the bass line, too, and that creative borrowing was fair play.

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/...z1XJudNxpg

Let's not get into petty arguments. KTHANXBAI!

The songs don't sound alike AT ALL. KTHANKBAI!

smoothcriminal12 said:

RKJCNE said:

From the New Yorker:

One of the more interesting memories comes from Daryl Hall, who says that when he was recording “We Are the World” Jackson approached him and admitted to stealing from a Hall and Oates song for “Billie Jean.” Hall says that he told Jackson that he had stolen the bass line, too, and that creative borrowing was fair play.

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/...z1XJudNxpg

Let's not get into petty arguments. KTHANXBAI!

The songs don't sound alike AT ALL. KTHANKBAI!

Yah they do, but let's not get into fights.

aardvark15 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

The songs don't sound alike AT ALL. KTHANKBAI!

Yah they do, but let's not get into fights.

Well, let me clarify, they sound alike but the basslines are world's apart.

smoothcriminal12 said:

aardvark15 said:

Yah they do, but let's not get into fights.

Well, let me clarify, they sound alike but the basslines are world's apart.

Like A Virgin has a bassline

Lada Gaga is a total Madonna clone. She is following the Madonna career playbook in so many ways. This has been obvious from the start. Madonna wasn't especially original or talented herself, but Gaga is copying everything about her.

SEANMAN said:

I love Madonna and Lady Gaga, but this is just getting ridiculous. If what Madonna said came off as she thinks Lady Gaga is obsessed with her, then I'm sure it's not what she really meant. Also, Lady Gaga shows influences from MANY different artists, not just Madonna, which many people just don't seem to get. This "Lady Gaga is copying Madonna" thing has gotten to extreme and, dare I say, fanatical heights. Could it be that Madonna didn't take any legal action against Gaga for "Born This Way" because, just maybe, she doesn't hear any similarity in the song to her own "Express Yourself"? Or, if she hears any similarity, maybe she thinks it's too miniscule to even waste her time with, and laughs at how the whole world is seemingly in an uproar about it.

Gaga has given Madonna many props, so why so many people are always rabidly eager to equate anything she does from walking to breathing with anything Madonna has done, is doing, or will do is just baffling. It's like they have something at stake by comparing the two women. I'm sure Madonna doesn't spend her every waking moment wondering what Lady Gaga is up to, and vice versa. Gaga is obviously a student of tons of music icons, from pop to rock. She's a student of the arts. She's "obsessed" with everything from Springsteen to Warhol. She's like the talented lovechild of many, many artists.

[Edited 9/8/11 17:04pm]

Nice...good job!!!

And she knows Dale!!

But it just shows she´s a copy cat ...maybe a good one but still...