Timmy84 said:

madhattter said:

I must repeat that while Stevie and Bowie were very popular during the seventies, their influence in popular music is in NO comparison to what SLY bestowed upon music and the musicians that came during and after his heyday.

No one would deny that.

I would. He was great and was very influential for a time. But people are still trying to clone David Bowie albums 40 years later. I don't hear much Sly bubbling through in many genres these days.

errant said:

Timmy84 said:

No one would deny that.

I would. He was great and was very influential for a time. But people are still trying to clone David Bowie albums 40 years later. I don't hear much Sly bubbling through in many genres these days.

I think Sly help create Neo-Soul. That's big.

TylerHippie said:

errant said:

I would. He was great and was very influential for a time. But people are still trying to clone David Bowie albums 40 years later. I don't hear much Sly bubbling through in many genres these days.

I think Sly help create Neo-Soul. That's big.

Really? I wouldn't say that....I think most of the credit belongs to artists like Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, etc...

TylerHippie said:

errant said:

I would. He was great and was very influential for a time. But people are still trying to clone David Bowie albums 40 years later. I don't hear much Sly bubbling through in many genres these days.

I think Sly help create Neo-Soul. That's big.

The opposite actually. He helped to create the thing that got us away from the thing that neo-soul is trying to drag us back to before Sly & P-Funk (and later Prince and others) got ahold of it.

[Edited 8/23/11 20:15pm]

smoothcriminal12 said:

TylerHippie said:

I think Sly help create Neo-Soul. That's big.

Really? I wouldn't say that....I think most of the credit belongs to artists like Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, etc...

Well some people don't get credit. I listened Stevie discography yesterday, and I didn't really hear any Neo-Soul records. Now Sly...that man has ton of Neo-Soul records. I'll agree with Marvin though.

Militant said:

As mentioned, a greater proportion of Sly's genius material came in the 60's. Sly burned out after "Fresh" in 1973, IMO. And besides "Riot" which was in 71, all the previous albums were released in the 60's.

In the 70's, I'd take Stevie and Kraftwerk. Kraftwerk released 4 classic albums in the 70s and Stevie released 5.

We can debate this for quite a while, and I can certianly understand a lot of the opinions of not only you, but other blogers as well. I only base my opinion on what I hear in music after his genius was revealed. True, Stevie, Elton, Bowie and others had more hit records during that time, but SLY'S influence to the listener as well as other musicians such as myself is unequaled. As the old saying goes, " Opinions are like ass-holes and everyone has one " Please don't take it personally but other than modern technology such as keyboards, samplers , drum machines, pro-tools etc., alot of todays music has been and still is but a rehash of what he created during that period. That is why he IS one of the greatists of that era!!

TylerHippie said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Really? I wouldn't say that....I think most of the credit belongs to artists like Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, etc...

Well some people don't get credit. I listened Stevie discography yesterday, and I didn't really hear any Neo-Soul records. Now Sly...that man has ton of Neo-Soul records. I'll agree with Marvin though.

I don't know how you listen to music, man. If it was the first time, maybe you could "assimilate" 3 or 4 of his records during the whole day. Even if you already knew his records, I guess you'd only listen to some songs of the albums.

SLOW CULTURE, please. The information age is killing culture...

[Edited 8/24/11 6:58am]

TylerHippie said:

JoeBala said:

Stevie Wonder Period!

I've been meaning to get into Stevie early stuff.

Some of his BEST stuff is when he was 12 years old... I love FingerTips amazing

Sly is a liviing legend and has influenced generations and more to come. I love him to.

mjscarousal said:

TylerHippie said:

I've been meaning to get into Stevie early stuff.

Some of his BEST stuff is when he was 12 years old... I love FingerTips amazing

Sly is a liviing legend and has influenced generations and more to come. I love him to.

Stevie Wonder Is A Genius theres no argueing about it! I'm a Stevie Wonder fanatic and I would'nt dare dispute his talents but with the exception of his concept album " Journry through the secret life of plants ", he relied on Sly,s formula for success as did most during the seventies and eighties. I did admire Stevies use of keyboard technology during the seventies but he dropped the ball after 1985. As for Bowie," Fame" and "Lets Dance" are just 2 examples of Sly's influence and I like Bowie as well, but you can't deny Sly's influence on some of Bowie's greatest hits.

madhattter said:

mjscarousal said:

Some of his BEST stuff is when he was 12 years old... I love FingerTips amazing

Sly is a liviing legend and has influenced generations and more to come. I love him to.

Stevie Wonder Is A Genius theres no argueing about it! I'm a Stevie Wonder fanatic and I would'nt dare dispute his talents but with the exception of his concept album " Journry through the secret life of plants ", he relied on Sly,s formula for success as did most during the seventies and eighties. I did admire Stevies use of keyboard technology during the seventies but he dropped the ball after 1985. As for Bowie," Fame" and "Lets Dance" are just 2 examples of Sly's influence and I like Bowie as well, but you can't deny Sly's influence on some of Bowie's greatest hits.

I think James Brown was more of an example of "Fame" (which James made it clear on his 1976 track "Hot, Hot, Hot (I Need to Be Loved)" or whatever it was that blatantly stole the riff from "Fame", I guess, James was trying to say Carlos stole it and put in David's song) and CHIC was the influence in "Let's Dance". It had less to do with "Sly's influence". Stevie would tell you that he emulated BITS from Sly & the Family Stone but he added his own touch too.

Timmy84 said:

madhattter said:

Stevie Wonder Is A Genius theres no argueing about it! I'm a Stevie Wonder fanatic and I would'nt dare dispute his talents but with the exception of his concept album " Journry through the secret life of plants ", he relied on Sly,s formula for success as did most during the seventies and eighties. I did admire Stevies use of keyboard technology during the seventies but he dropped the ball after 1985. As for Bowie," Fame" and "Lets Dance" are just 2 examples of Sly's influence and I like Bowie as well, but you can't deny Sly's influence on some of Bowie's greatest hits.

I think James Brown was more of an example of "Fame" (which James made it clear on his 1976 track "Hot, Hot, Hot (I Need to Be Loved)" or whatever it was that blatantly stole the riff from "Fame", I guess, James was trying to say Carlos stole it and put in David's song) and CHIC was the influence in "Let's Dance". It had less to do with "Sly's influence". Stevie would tell you that he emulated BITS from Sly & the Family Stone but he added his own touch too.

You are correct on that point, however, Niles Rogers , rhythm guitar was influenced by the funk riffs of Freddie and Sly Stene.

madhattter said:

Timmy84 said:

I think James Brown was more of an example of "Fame" (which James made it clear on his 1976 track "Hot, Hot, Hot (I Need to Be Loved)" or whatever it was that blatantly stole the riff from "Fame", I guess, James was trying to say Carlos stole it and put in David's song) and CHIC was the influence in "Let's Dance". It had less to do with "Sly's influence". Stevie would tell you that he emulated BITS from Sly & the Family Stone but he added his own touch too.

You are correct on that point, however, Niles Rogers , rhythm guitar was influenced by the funk riffs of Freddie and Sly Stene.

You don't think he was also influenced by Catfish Collins also? The riffs sounded more Catfish than Freddie...

Javi said:

TylerHippie said:

Well some people don't get credit. I listened Stevie discography yesterday, and I didn't really hear any Neo-Soul records. Now Sly...that man has ton of Neo-Soul records. I'll agree with Marvin though.

I don't know how you listen to music, man. If it was the first time, maybe you could "assimilate" 3 or 4 of his records during the whole day. Even if you already knew his records, I guess you'd only listen to some songs of the albums.

SLOW CULTURE, please. The information age is killing culture...

[Edited 8/24/11 6:58am]

I listened to all of his albums on Monday, and I couldn't really get into him. I don't know why. He's not a bad artist or anything.

Sly vs David? .... wuahahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahahahahhahahaha.... buy yourself another pair of new ears!

DAMN!

TylerHippie said:

Javi said:

I don't know how you listen to music, man. If it was the first time, maybe you could "assimilate" 3 or 4 of his records during the whole day. Even if you already knew his records, I guess you'd only listen to some songs of the albums.

SLOW CULTURE, please. The information age is killing culture...

[Edited 8/24/11 6:58am]

I listened to all of his albums on Monday, and I couldn't really get into him. I don't know why. He's not a bad artist or anything.

Oh hell no.

Wait, wait, you listened to all of this in one day? :

U.S. and UK albums

smoothcriminal12 said:

TylerHippie said:

I listened to all of his albums on Monday, and I couldn't really get into him. I don't know why. He's not a bad artist or anything.

Oh hell no.

Wait, wait, you listened to all of this in one day? :

U.S. and UK albums

Year	Album	Chart positions
		US [67]	US R&B	UK [68]
1963	Recorded Live: The 12 Year Old Genius	1	–	–
1966	Up-Tight	33	2	–
1966	Down to Earth	72	8	–
1967	I Was Made to Love Her	45	7	–
1968	For Once in My Life	50	4	–
1969	My Cherie Amour	34	3	17
1970	Signed, Sealed, and Delivered	25	7	–
1971	Where I'm Coming From	–	7	–
1972	Music of My Mind	21	6	–
1972	Talking Book	3	1	16
1973	Innervisions	4	1	6
1974	Fulfillingness' First Finale	1	1	5
1976	Songs in the Key of Life	1	1	2
1979	Journey through the Secret Life of Plants	4	4	7
1980	Hotter than July	2	1	2
1982	Stevie Wonder's Original Musiquarium	4	1	8
1984	The Woman in Red	4	1	2
1985	In Square Circle	5	1	5
1987	Characters	17	1	33
1995	Conversation Peace	17	2	8
1996	Natural Wonder	–	88	–
1996	Song Review A Greatest Hits Collection	–	100	19
2000	At the Close of a Century	–	100	–
2002	The Definitive Collection	35	28	–
2004	Best Of Stevie Wonder: 20th Century Masters Christmas Collection	–	90	–
2005	A Time To Love	5	2	24
2007	Number 1's	171	40	23

Yes. I even listened to everything from 63-79 twice, just to see if I could fall in love with it. But I can't. He's not my cup of tea. Sly is better than Stevie to me.

TylerHippie said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Oh hell no.

Wait, wait, you listened to all of this in one day? :

U.S. and UK albums

Year	Album	Chart positions
		US [67]	US R&B	UK [68]
1963	Recorded Live: The 12 Year Old Genius	1	–	–
1966	Up-Tight	33	2	–
1966	Down to Earth	72	8	–
1967	I Was Made to Love Her	45	7	–
1968	For Once in My Life	50	4	–
1969	My Cherie Amour	34	3	17
1970	Signed, Sealed, and Delivered	25	7	–
1971	Where I'm Coming From	–	7	–
1972	Music of My Mind	21	6	–
1972	Talking Book	3	1	16
1973	Innervisions	4	1	6
1974	Fulfillingness' First Finale	1	1	5
1976	Songs in the Key of Life	1	1	2
1979	Journey through the Secret Life of Plants	4	4	7
1980	Hotter than July	2	1	2
1982	Stevie Wonder's Original Musiquarium	4	1	8
1984	The Woman in Red	4	1	2
1985	In Square Circle	5	1	5
1987	Characters	17	1	33
1995	Conversation Peace	17	2	8
1996	Natural Wonder	–	88	–
1996	Song Review A Greatest Hits Collection	–	100	19
2000	At the Close of a Century	–	100	–
2002	The Definitive Collection	35	28	–
2004	Best Of Stevie Wonder: 20th Century Masters Christmas Collection	–	90	–
2005	A Time To Love	5	2	24
2007	Number 1's	171	40	23

Yes. I even listened to everything from 63-79 twice, just to see if I could fall in love with it. But I can't. He's not my cup of tea. Sly is better than Stevie to me.

Isn't that WAY too much music to listen to in one day?

smoothcriminal12 said:

TylerHippie said:

Yes. I even listened to everything from 63-79 twice, just to see if I could fall in love with it. But I can't. He's not my cup of tea. Sly is better than Stevie to me.

Isn't that WAY too much music to listen to in one day?

I started at 4 am and ended at 1 pm.

smoothcriminal12 said:

TylerHippie said:

I listened to all of his albums on Monday, and I couldn't really get into him. I don't know why. He's not a bad artist or anything.

Oh hell no.

Wait, wait, you listened to all of this in one day? :

U.S. and UK albums

Year	Album	Chart positions
		US [67]	US R&B	UK [68]
1963	Recorded Live: The 12 Year Old Genius	1	–	–
1966	Up-Tight	33	2	–
1966	Down to Earth	72	8	–
1967	I Was Made to Love Her	45	7	–
1968	For Once in My Life	50	4	–
1969	My Cherie Amour	34	3	17
1970	Signed, Sealed, and Delivered	25	7	–
1971	Where I'm Coming From	–	7	–
1972	Music of My Mind	21	6	–
1972	Talking Book	3	1	16
1973	Innervisions	4	1	6
1974	Fulfillingness' First Finale	1	1	5
1976	Songs in the Key of Life	1	1	2
1979	Journey through the Secret Life of Plants	4	4	7
1980	Hotter than July	2	1	2
1982	Stevie Wonder's Original Musiquarium	4	1	8
1984	The Woman in Red	4	1	2
1985	In Square Circle	5	1	5
1987	Characters	17	1	33
1995	Conversation Peace	17	2	8
1996	Natural Wonder	–	88	–
1996	Song Review A Greatest Hits Collection	–	100	19
2000	At the Close of a Century	–	100	–
2002	The Definitive Collection	35	28	–
2004	Best Of Stevie Wonder: 20th Century Masters Christmas Collection	–	90	–
2005	A Time To Love	5	2	24
2007	Number 1's	171	40	23

[Edited 8/24/11 14:23pm]

There's 1440 minutes in one day. It's IMPOSSIBLE to listen to all of that in one day.

smoothcriminal12 said:

There's 1440 minutes in one day. It's IMPOSSIBLE to listen to all of that in one day.

I actually listened to the first minute and half of every song. Some songs I just listend to the first 10 seconds, because I didn't really like the vibe/beat of the song.

smoothcriminal12 said:

There's 1440 minutes in one day. It's IMPOSSIBLE to listen to all of that in one day.

Smooth, just pull a Steve Miller, so to speak - "take the money and run." Or maybe just a Tootie where you "take the good you take the bad..." Mostly, take a breath, cuz this shit could cause cardiac arrest if you let it.

allsmutaside said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

There's 1440 minutes in one day. It's IMPOSSIBLE to listen to all of that in one day.

Smooth, just pull a Steve Miller, so to speak - "take the money and run." Or maybe just a Tootie where you "take the good you take the bad..." Mostly, take a breath, cuz this shit could cause cardiac arrest if you let it.

Isn't it interesting that we can all find an artist or two that are standouts in their genre. For my taste it is Sly, but for others it may be Bowie or Stevie. No matter who is the top artist of the seventies we will probably agree that it was the LAST decade of a high level of creativity that we have had. And that is sad. The glass is allways half full to me and I have'nt yet given up on our nubies ( newer artists ) " />

^ Actually there is still creativity, it's just not promoted by the monopolized industry.

Timmy84 said:

^ Actually there is still creativity, it's just not promoted by the monopolized industry.

You are right about the record companies but the creativity isn't at the high level of the sixties, seventies or even the eighties. As I said earlier. the glass is allways half-full

madhattter said:

Timmy84 said:

^ Actually there is still creativity, it's just not promoted by the monopolized industry.

You are right about the record companies but the creativity isn't at the high level of the sixties, seventies or even the eighties. As I said earlier. the glass is allways half-full

Well it's a different era. It'll never be the same, just search other ways than the usual, that's all. But I still think drugs stifle what could've been from Sly.

TylerHippie said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

There's 1440 minutes in one day. It's IMPOSSIBLE to listen to all of that in one day.

I actually listened to the first minute and half of every song. Some songs I just listend to the first 10 seconds, because I didn't really like the vibe/beat of the song.

With Stevie, that is DEFINITELY NOT enough time to listen to his music...and to shrug him off because of one day of non-listening is even worse...

Sly was not the greatest he was just one of the many innovators during the 70´s, just look at Stevie, Bowie, Kraftwerk, Elton there were lots of musical changes happening in the 70´s.

JoeBala said:

Stevie Wonder Period!

Yep. By far.

Stevie Wonder by a fucking mile. Sly is overrated, sorry. Most Amy Winehouse songs are better than any Sly song.

Yea, I said it.

This has nothing to do with Larry. lol