WaterInYourBath said:

manthevan said:

I agree that the rest of the Jacksons are limited to being background singers with one exception, Jermaine. Jermaine did have good vocals. He was the perfect co-lead to Mike in J5 and some of his solo stuff is actually good.

Most people say that, but I'm sorry, I just can't agree. I dislike his voice the most (yep, more than LaToya's). Since I was little, I've always skipped past his solo J5 tracks, and would usually fast-forward through most of his parts in co-lead songs (except for in "I Am Love" and "Tell Me I'm Not Dreamin'," which are the only Jermaine lead vocals I can tolerate), lol.

yep. i always thought jermaine's voice was 'pleasant'. it's not exactly horrible, but it's not like i turn up the radio when i hear his voice.

his vocals provided a nice contrast on the j5 tunes. but still, it's mj's voice that generally carried them. jermy's 'daddy's home' cover is nowhere near as dynamic as mj's 'rockin robin'. i can imagine mj being able to handle 'daddy's home' effortlessly, but could the same be said for jermy and 'rockin robin'? no, i think not.

aside from the whole 'word to the baad' nonsense, which i think played a factor in the downturn of his career, i also think there were just so many other really good male r&b singers out in the late 80s and early 90s that jermy would have been lost in the shuffle anyway.

wtf!!!

Adisa said:

carinemjj said:

And you know what??? In the lot of post June 25th magazines I've bought, some of them made the mistake of putting that young Randy pictures thinking it was young Michael... Well, that picture appears in this video too, this video where he shows pics of Michael only...

Look at 0:53 on the right screen... sorry Jermaine... but this is Randy, not Michael...

[Edited 8/16/11 16:31pm]

They look a lot alike, don't they?

And I'm I the only one that sees nothing funny or amusing or about any of this. I'm glad Jemaine ain't all strung out and shit, but come on man!! Put out your own damned music. You left the group over 30 years ago. MJ is gone. Let it go, dude. Get off your lazy ass and do shows of your own music 'cause the brothers ain't trying to reunite with yo ass.

Basically. But I'm tired of all of them right now minus Janet or something.

Cinnamon234 said:

Only in "I Am Love" did I think Jermaine sounded better than MJ, but this song absolutely did not need a remake because the original by Mike cannot be topped.

The Jacksons version was not the original, it was a remake.

WaterInYourBath said:

manthevan said:

I agree that the rest of the Jacksons are limited to being background singers with one exception, Jermaine. Jermaine did have good vocals. He was the perfect co-lead to Mike in J5 and some of his solo stuff is actually good.

Most people say that, but I'm sorry, I just can't agree. I dislike his voice the most (yep, more than LaToya's). Since I was little, I've always skipped past his solo J5 tracks, and would usually fast-forward through most of his parts in co-lead songs (except for in "I Am Love" and "Tell Me I'm Not Dreamin'," which are the only Jermaine lead vocals I can tolerate), lol.

I respect your opinion. Maybe it's the timbre of his voice you don't appreciate. Out of curiosity though, that must be a lot of fastforwarding since Jermaine is on lead on like 2-3 cuts and co-lead on 2-3 cuts as well on each J5 album. There's many songs where I think his and Michael's vocals blend so well, like this one

manthevan said:

WaterInYourBath said:

Most people say that, but I'm sorry, I just can't agree. I dislike his voice the most (yep, more than LaToya's). Since I was little, I've always skipped past his solo J5 tracks, and would usually fast-forward through most of his parts in co-lead songs (except for in "I Am Love" and "Tell Me I'm Not Dreamin'," which are the only Jermaine lead vocals I can tolerate), lol.

I respect your opinion. Maybe it's the timbre of his voice you don't appreciate. Out of curiosity though, that must be a lot of fastforwarding since Jermaine is on lead on like 2-3 cuts and co-lead on 2-3 cuts as well on each J5 album. There's many songs where I think his and Michael's vocals blend so well, like this one

Yes, well, lol, I was referring to tracks that feature MJ and Jermaine sharing the song duet-style, with both singing full solo verses, like in "I Can Only Give You Love," not songs with a few Jermaine one-liners, like in "Moving Violation," for example, or even in "Born To Love You," which is indeed a lovely song. These two latter tracks may include Jermaine, but are still really Michael's songs (he dominates), so I like those, lol.

I'm the complete opposite.... Jermaine has always been my favorite Jackson in terms of actual vocals cuz he's the only one with an actual singing voice Michael could sing his ass off as a child but his voice was too whiny and annoying for me to ever take him serious and be a fan. His young adult years is where he shined the most vocally and I loved him. As soon as he turned 30, it was like his voice changed and he started sounding whiny, shitty and annoying again. Jermaine's voice has always been the same and the "strongest" out of the bunch. Janet is the female Michael and the others don't matter I don't think any of their voices are that versatile or ground breaking. I've heard better tenors and falsettos.

I really enjoyed hearing Jermaine sing lead on Boogie, the updated beat and performance was pure shit but his vocals really worked well with it.

WaterInYourBath said:

manthevan said:

I respect your opinion. Maybe it's the timbre of his voice you don't appreciate. Out of curiosity though, that must be a lot of fastforwarding since Jermaine is on lead on like 2-3 cuts and co-lead on 2-3 cuts as well on each J5 album. There's many songs where I think his and Michael's vocals blend so well, like this one

Yes, well, lol, I was referring to tracks that feature MJ and Jermaine sharing the song duet-style, with both singing full solo verses, like in "I Can Only Give You Love," not songs with a few Jermaine one-liners, like in "Moving Violation," for example, or even in "Born To Love You," which is indeed a lovely song. These two latter tracks may include Jermaine, but are still really Michael's songs (he dominates), so I like those, lol.

Funny to me "Born to Love You" is more of a duet than "I Can Only Give You Love".

Born to Love You

MJ: 0.10-0.14

JJ: 0.15-0.18

MJ: 0.20-0.23

JJ: 0.24-0.28

MJ: 0.29-0.32

JJ: 0.33-0.37

MJ: 0.38-0.45

JJ: 0.47-0.49

MJ: 0.50-1.00

JJ: 1.10-1.23 (my favorite part of the song)

MJ: 1.24-1.26

JJ: 1.28-1.32

MJ: 1.33-1.36

JJ: 1.37-1.41

MJ: 1.42-1.53

JJ: 1.55-1.57

MJ: 1.58-2.27

As you can see they go back and forth trading vocals the whole song.

The only lead spots Jermaine had in "I can only Give you Love" is between 0.26-0.33 and 1.18-1.26 in a song that is 2.30 long.

Here are a couple of more examples of how their vocals blend well

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WaterInYourBath said:

Cinnamon234 said:

Jermaine's version of "Blame it on the boogie" is so pointless

What was he thinking? And this is why I will always snicker when some say Jermaine was a better singer than MJ. Compare the two. MJ KILLS him vocally in that song. Jermaine has a great voice, don't get me wrong, but his voice is really only suited for generic r&b songs. Very limited in what he can do. MJ on the other hand and could sing almost anything. Jermaine is missing that fire and joy in his voice that MJ had. "Torture", "Tell Me I'm Not Dreaming" and now "Blame it on the boogie " are clear examples if you wanna compare the two.

Only in "I Am Love" did I think Jermaine sounded better than MJ, but this song absolutely did not need a remake because the original by Mike cannot be topped.

Jermaine needs to sit his down somewhere .

I've always felt that Michael is the only real "singer" in that family. The rest know how to hold notes in tune for pleasant, layered, backup-vocal purposes, but that's really about it. Jermaine is still proving that today.

Well Said.

MickyDolenz said:

Cinnamon234 said:

Only in "I Am Love" did I think Jermaine sounded better than MJ, but this song absolutely did not need a remake because the original by Mike cannot be topped.

The Jacksons version was not the original, it was a remake.

Cinnamon234 is reffering to Jermaine's remake of "Blame It On The Boogie" and not the J5 remake of "I Am Love."

PlayboyOriginal said:

I'm the complete opposite.... Jermaine has always been my favorite Jackson in terms of actual vocals cuz he's the only one with an actual singing voice

Wow...talk about low standards.

daPrettyman said:

MickyDolenz said:

The Jacksons version was not the original, it was a remake.

Cinnamon234 is reffering to Jermaine's remake of "Blame It On The Boogie" and not the J5 remake of "I Am Love."

I'm talking about Blame It On The Boogie. It's a remake. The original is by a British singer named Mick Jackson, who also wrote it. His was released before the one by the brothers. I wasn't aware that I Am Love is a cover. I thought it was written for the J5.

MickyDolenz said:

daPrettyman said:

Cinnamon234 is reffering to Jermaine's remake of "Blame It On The Boogie" and not the J5 remake of "I Am Love."

I'm talking about Blame It On The Boogie. It's a remake. The original is by a British singer named Mick Jackson, who also wrote it. His was released before the one by the brothers. I wasn't aware that I Am Love is a cover. I thought it was written for the J5.

I didn't know that. Thanx 4 the info. I thought "M. Jackson" on the cover meant either Mike or Marlon wrote it.

Looks like a Michael Jackson did write it, but it's not Michael Joseph Jackson.

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daPrettyman said:

MickyDolenz said:

I'm talking about Blame It On The Boogie. It's a remake. The original is by a British singer named Mick Jackson, who also wrote it. His was released before the one by the brothers. I wasn't aware that I Am Love is a cover. I thought it was written for the J5.

I didn't know that. Thanx 4 the info. I thought "M. Jackson" on the cover meant either Mike or Marlon wrote it.

Looks like a Michael Jackson did write it, but it's not Michael Joseph Jackson.

I always found it amusing that it was written by another Michael Jackson.

kibbles said:

WaterInYourBath said:

Most people say that, but I'm sorry, I just can't agree. I dislike his voice the most (yep, more than LaToya's). Since I was little, I've always skipped past his solo J5 tracks, and would usually fast-forward through most of his parts in co-lead songs (except for in "I Am Love" and "Tell Me I'm Not Dreamin'," which are the only Jermaine lead vocals I can tolerate), lol.

yep. i always thought jermaine's voice was 'pleasant'. it's not exactly horrible, but it's not like i turn up the radio when i hear his voice.

his vocals provided a nice contrast on the j5 tunes. but still, it's mj's voice that generally carried them. jermy's 'daddy's home' cover is nowhere near as dynamic as mj's 'rockin robin'. i can imagine mj being able to handle 'daddy's home' effortlessly, but could the same be said for jermy and 'rockin robin'? no, i think not.

aside from the whole 'word to the baad' nonsense, which i think played a factor in the downturn of his career, i also think there were just so many other really good male r&b singers out in the late 80s and early 90s that jermy would have been lost in the shuffle anyway.

And talk about some weak (but forced) vocals in that "Word To The Badd" track, good grief. Anybody can sing like that. Ironically, that song would have been HUGE if Michael had sung it, LOL.

And to manthevan, I stick to what I've said about his inclusion in J5 songs. Except for a few instances, I just don't like his voice solo, nothing can really change that. And "Standing In The Shadows Of Love" is one of the main reasons I developed this disposition. I love Michael's voice in that track, but not Jermaine's.

I wouldn't dream of calling Jermaine a great singer, but I think he has a nice voice (definitely 2nd-best in his family). I've always been impressed with how much his voice improved as he got older.

Hard to believe his last single was released almost 20 years ago!

"I Dream, I Dream"

I do remember reading on an MJ site and this site as well that The Jacksons were not the original singers of "Blame It On The Boogie" which I was suprised to learn. I've heard Mick Jackson's version before and I like it actually but not as much as I like The Jacksons version. Regardless, Jermaine is covering The Jacksons version of the song, which is different to Mick's version. This is why I said he can't stop the original vocals by MJ so I stand by what I said.

As for Jermaine's voice, I honestly think that he & MJ are the only truly talented vocalists in the family. To me, Jermaine has a genuinely good voice, but my problem with him is that while his voice is very pleasant it lacks variation and excitement. I find his voice at times to be boring, monotone and he can't sing many styles of music like MJ. As I said before, almost any song MJ and Jermaine have sang on together as adults especially, Michael has always sounded better. His vocals are much more exciting and enjoyable to listen to imo.

I've always felt that MJ was an underrated vocalist btw. I'm talking about as an adult. People praise his voice as a kid constantly, but they hardly give him credit as an adult vocalist and I honestly have to wonder if these people have actually listened to anything beyond his popular songs as an adult? Actually even MJ's popular songs showcase great vocals. His songs are not easy to sing which is why most people who attempt to cover his songs sound awful and comical actually. Michael had such a unique tone and phrasing-it just really sounds terrible when most attempt to cover his songs. I like the fact that he can go from singing in a smooth, velvety tone like in "Rock With You" or "Human Nature" and the next minute he can sing a song like "Dirty Diana" or "Give In To Me" in a raw, gritty and even angry voice.

I love the variation of his voice.

Also, to say MJ lost his voice as an adult is a lie. Some may not have liked the direction he went in with his music and maybe all the added growling and shouting he did in his later music, but he expanded as a vocalist.

I personally think as far as later vocals go, "Invincible" contains some of MJ's best vocals EVER. I don't see how anyone can say that he didn't sound absolutely superb on songs like "Butteflies" or "Break of Dawn". If anything, his voice sounded a bit deeper on that album but he still sounded as great as ever.

People go on about his dancing, but if I had to choose, I'd pick MJ's vocals over his dancing any day.

Sorry about the long winded essay btw lol, but I'm pretty passionate about my favorite artists and MJ is my absolute favorite.

AlexdeParis said:

I wouldn't dream of calling Jermaine a great singer, but I think he has a nice voice (definitely 2nd-best in his family). I've always been impressed with how much his voice improved as he got older.

Hard to believe his last single was released almost 20 years ago!

"I Dream, I Dream"

He released a single from the American Dream Project and something in like 1995 I think.

At least his ex-wife will like this

LittleBLUECorvette said:

AlexdeParis said:

I wouldn't dream of calling Jermaine a great singer, but I think he has a nice voice (definitely 2nd-best in his family). I've always been impressed with how much his voice improved as he got older.

Hard to believe his last single was released almost 20 years ago!

"I Dream, I Dream"

He released a single from the American Dream Project and something in like 1995 I think.

He also recently recorded some duets with Indian singers that was only released over there.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

AlexdeParis said:

I wouldn't dream of calling Jermaine a great singer, but I think he has a nice voice (definitely 2nd-best in his family). I've always been impressed with how much his voice improved as he got older.

Hard to believe his last single was released almost 20 years ago!

"I Dream, I Dream"

He released a single from the American Dream Project and something in like 1995 I think.

I don't think either of his AD songs were actually singles, were they? And that German-only song doesn't count in my book. Just in case, I'll say that his last charting single was almost 20 years ago.

AlexdeParis said:

I wouldn't dream of calling Jermaine a great singer, but I think he has a nice voice (definitely 2nd-best in his family). I've always been impressed with how much his voice improved as he got older.

Hard to believe his last single was released almost 20 years ago!

"I Dream, I Dream"

I know, right?!?! I loved this album and wished it had done better. It probably would have it the controversy around "Word 2 the badd" hadn't ruined the album's promotion. "I Dream, I Dream" was my favorite track on the album. I loved the remix also.

Unholyalliance said:

PlayboyOriginal said:

I'm the complete opposite.... Jermaine has always been my favorite Jackson in terms of actual vocals cuz he's the only one with an actual singing voice

Wow...talk about low standards.

Its the Jacksons, so one has to make lemonade out of those lemon voices.

PlayboyOriginal said:

Unholyalliance said:

Wow...talk about low standards.

Its the Jacksons, so one has to make lemonade out of those lemon voices.

Or in Jermaine's case, grape juice out of raisin head.

PlayboyOriginal said:

I'm the complete opposite.... Jermaine has always been my favorite Jackson in terms of actual vocals cuz he's the only one with an actual singing voice Michael could sing his ass off as a child but his voice was too whiny and annoying for me to ever take him serious and be a fan. His young adult years is where he shined the most vocally and I loved him. As soon as he turned 30, it was like his voice changed and he started sounding whiny, shitty and annoying again. Jermaine's voice has always been the same and the "strongest" out of the bunch. Janet is the female Michael and the others don't matter I don't think any of their voices are that versatile or ground breaking. I've heard better tenors and falsettos.

I really enjoyed hearing Jermaine sing lead on Boogie, the updated beat and performance was pure shit but his vocals really worked well with it.

Wow, I've never heard anyone say they felt MJ's voice was annoying but you did say after he turned 30, so I guess that's different I always felt Jermaine's voice was thin and he doesn't seem to have a lot of range. Doesn't dude sing through his nose too?

AlexdeParis said:

I wouldn't dream of calling Jermaine a great singer, but I think he has a nice voice (definitely 2nd-best in his family). I've always been impressed with how much his voice improved as he got older.

Hard to believe his last single was released almost 20 years ago!

"I Dream, I Dream"

I think two of his best vocal efforts are "You Need to Be Loved" from 1977 (also written by Jermaine) and "Castle of Sand" from 1978. Have you heard those?

Jermaine also had a lot of raw talent as can be heard on this pre Motown recording where a very young Jermaine sings lead. This is before his voice broke so his voice sounds a lot like early Motown Michael.

So... lol... anybody knows how many copies of his Blame it on the boogie Jermaine actually sold?

carinemjj said:

So... lol... anybody knows how many copies of his Blame it on the boogie Jermaine actually sold?

4. jermain bought copies for his brothers

unique said:

carinemjj said:

So... lol... anybody knows how many copies of his Blame it on the boogie Jermaine actually sold?

4. jermain bought copies for his brothers

Hhmmm.. you forgot his kids

carinemjj said:

unique said:

4. jermain bought copies for his brothers

Hhmmm.. you forgot his kids

michael didn't