802 said:

So you don't find it unusual at all that more people chose the MJ album on (what's supposed to be) a Prince fan site?

[Edited 8/17/11 5:18am]

Meh....I really don't care. This is the Music: Non Prince section, and many people here don't listen to Prince's music. What do you expect?

alphastreet said:

I don't think Bad is Thriller part 2, they are different albums. Is it cause each has a rock song, that sound nothing like each other? Or each one had grand videos nothing like each other mind you? I've heard the media say stuff like that, but not people overall. If you want to compare Bad to anything, it should be his contemporaries at the time and excelling them.

Around The World In a Day is a brilliant album and IMO better than Purple Rain. More creative, diverse, instrumental, you name it. I don't understand fans' accounts of why it lost his new fans, and lost his black fans who followed him from the beginning. It would have been nice if he pushed it more commercially, but he still did well,and I still hear Raspberry Beret on the radio often.

I like how Prince deliberately put out an entirely different sound after Purple Rain. It showed that he was a real artist. He could have easily rode out Purple Rain for another year with more singles.

I remember at first it was said that he wasn't going to release any singles or videos from ATWIAD. He wanted it to be looked at as a whole. I guess the record company pressured him on that. I think the reason people said he lost his black fans who followed him from the beginning, is because his music was starting to become more pop & mainstream starting with Purple Rain. But Prince always had different types of music on his albums. A lot of people just didn't get ATWIAD album at first. But with the b-sides from the singles we ended up getting the funky classic "She's Always In my Hair"

That was one of the best decisions Prince made releasing ATWIAD after Purple Rain. Like he said back then the same 3 million that bought the 1999 album. Bought ATWIAD.

Other than in the closet, who is it and give in to me - i don't care too much for Dangerous.

Plus I will always choose Prince over MJ.

smoothcriminal12 said:

802 said:

So you don't find it unusual at all that more people chose the MJ album on (what's supposed to be) a Prince fan site?

[Edited 8/17/11 5:18am]

Meh....I really don't care. This is the Music: Non Prince section, and many people here don't listen to Prince's music. What do you expect?

Pr1nceQuik said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Meh....I really don't care. This is the Music: Non Prince section, and many people here don't listen to Prince's music. What do you expect?

smoothcriminal12 said:

Pr1nceQuik said:

Today, once again I listened to both albums ..... And. ... I stand by my opinion, Dangerous - better. In this album I like all songs. I just adore: «Who Is It», «Give In to Me», «Will You Be There». I love: «Remember the Time», «Heal the World», «Black or White», «Jam». Other songs I also like. I listen all songs, from first to last, I have no desire to miss even one song. This album, one of the best by Jackson. When I listen to Diamonds & Pearls, I always miss half the songs, they are absolutely not interesting to me. Therefore, there is no competition for me.

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The front half of Dangerous beats Diamonds & Pearls on its

own, imo. My favorite song on D&P is "Money..." and the mix

is awful. However, the back end of Dangerous is trite and corny,

in my opinion.

Dangerous 1

Diamonds & Pearls 0

What's the question? Which is the bigger crap sack?

Both have an amazing song or two, but essentially both are big loads of crap. "Black or White" took some time to grow on me, but it is an amazing song, and certainly wins on the video front. I took to D and P right away - cause it is brilliant.

802 said:

So you don't find it unusual at all that more people chose the MJ album on (what's supposed to be) a Prince fan site?

[Edited 8/17/11 5:18am]

I really only come here, because I find the posters here amusing and I tend to find the non-stan discussions (as few as they are) enlightening for the most part. If it weren't for this board I wouldn't have acquired all of the Prince albums taking up space on my harddrive though...

Militant said:

I get what Lili is saying.

Michael definitely experimented with different things but nowhere near to the point Prince has. I mean, to say otherwise is ridiculous.

Michael never deliberately opted to do something that he knew wouldn't be commercially successful just because he felt like it.

Prince is the guy that puts out instrumental jazz albums like NEWS that even half his fanbase don't have much interest in! He's the guy that'll make entire funk albums where he did basically everything them except the lead vocals, won't put his name anywhere on the record, and then deny that he had anything to do with it for years! (The Time).

Michael rode out the commercial success of Thriller for two years, and didn't even have serious thoughts about recording a follow up for three years. Hell, the title track didn't come out as a single with the video until 14 months after the album had already been released. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, but that's the kind of thing you do when you're trying to sell as many records as possible.

Prince, on the other hand, had a follow-up album to Purple Rain released and in stores just 9 months afterward. He could have ridden it out for another year, taken the Purple Rain tour international and sold another 15-20 million records if he was focused on on sales. And then he releases a wholly uncommercial psychedelic follow-up that sounds NOTHING like the sound that made him a superstar, and sends the album to radio with NO single! Straight up told 'em "play what you like".... which just confused the hell out of all of them! WB, expecting a commercial follow-up were completely non-plussed and basically forced Prince to release singles from the album.

Those are more so the actions of someone who wants to challenge the audience on a musical level and open them up to new sounds (opening ATWIAD with the title track being a perfect example), and is completely willing to forego selling more records in order to do that.

I think that's what Lili was getting at. Prince was and has always been perfectly happy with the possibility that the general public might not get what he was doing at all.

You could almost say that Michael tried to operate vertically, as in always thinking "How can the next thing be even bigger and better and create more and more buzz!", always trying to move upwards.

Whereas Prince operates horizontally. Like, "OK, done that. Let's move on to something else that's different. Maybe it'll work, maybe not, but we'll do it, and then we'll move on again".

They're my two favorite artists of all time, equally and I'm fortunate enough to have seen them both live - but the reason this debate never works for me is primarily because their similarities are superficial (both black, both pop artists, both making funk/soul based music)... but their career ideals and objectives are about as different as you can get.

smoothcriminal12 said:

802 said:

So you don't find it unusual at all that more people chose the MJ album on (what's supposed to be) a Prince fan site?

[Edited 8/17/11 5:18am]

Meh....I really don't care. This is the Music: Non Prince section, and many people here don't listen to Prince's music. What do you expect?

You're kidding me, right? If people here don't listen to Prince's music then they shouldn't be on here. Doesn't make sense otherwise. A person who signs up to a Prince fansite is supposed to be a Prince fan!

802 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Meh....I really don't care. This is the Music: Non Prince section, and many people here don't listen to Prince's music. What do you expect?

You're kidding me, right? If people here don't listen to Prince's music then they shouldn't be on here. Doesn't make sense otherwise. A person who signs up to a Prince fansite is supposed to be a Prince fan!

It doesn't make sense to me either. I just shrug it off and move on.

"Dangerous" for me.

I love some of the tracks off "d and p", but nothing grooves harder then "why you wanna trip on me" or "cant let her get away". Prince never really embraced newjack like MJ did. Other then that, I like the way the "dangerous" album is split into 2 halves, whilst "d and p" has a rather annoying track order for my liking.

smoothcriminal12 said:

Militant said:

I get what Lili is saying.

Michael definitely experimented with different things but nowhere near to the point Prince has. I mean, to say otherwise is ridiculous.

Michael never deliberately opted to do something that he knew wouldn't be commercially successful just because he felt like it.

Prince is the guy that puts out instrumental jazz albums like NEWS that even half his fanbase don't have much interest in! He's the guy that'll make entire funk albums where he did basically everything them except the lead vocals, won't put his name anywhere on the record, and then deny that he had anything to do with it for years! (The Time).

Michael rode out the commercial success of Thriller for two years, and didn't even have serious thoughts about recording a follow up for three years. Hell, the title track didn't come out as a single with the video until 14 months after the album had already been released. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, but that's the kind of thing you do when you're trying to sell as many records as possible.

Prince, on the other hand, had a follow-up album to Purple Rain released and in stores just 9 months afterward. He could have ridden it out for another year, taken the Purple Rain tour international and sold another 15-20 million records if he was focused on on sales. And then he releases a wholly uncommercial psychedelic follow-up that sounds NOTHING like the sound that made him a superstar, and sends the album to radio with NO single! Straight up told 'em "play what you like".... which just confused the hell out of all of them! WB, expecting a commercial follow-up were completely non-plussed and basically forced Prince to release singles from the album.

Those are more so the actions of someone who wants to challenge the audience on a musical level and open them up to new sounds (opening ATWIAD with the title track being a perfect example), and is completely willing to forego selling more records in order to do that.

I think that's what Lili was getting at. Prince was and has always been perfectly happy with the possibility that the general public might not get what he was doing at all.

You could almost say that Michael tried to operate vertically, as in always thinking "How can the next thing be even bigger and better and create more and more buzz!", always trying to move upwards.

Whereas Prince operates horizontally. Like, "OK, done that. Let's move on to something else that's different. Maybe it'll work, maybe not, but we'll do it, and then we'll move on again".

They're my two favorite artists of all time, equally and I'm fortunate enough to have seen them both live - but the reason this debate never works for me is primarily because their similarities are superficial (both black, both pop artists, both making funk/soul based music)... but their career ideals and objectives are about as different as you can get.

U hit it right on the nail.. Prince was never the type of artist that was in it to sell 50 million of one album. He could care less about any of that. The WB was the one that tried to make him that kind of artist. All Prince wanted to do is play & record music whenever he wanted.In any style he wanted.

Comparing MJ to Prince is a waste of time. Prince is doing now what he always wanted to do just make music when he wants and put it out how he wants it. He is still the same artist he always was sales or no sales. Mj was the one into sells and marketing. Trying to out do the last album in sells & singles.

I hate when people say Prince has lost it & his albums was better in the eighties. Most of his best songs were put on B-sides of his singles, which shows U how he really felt about album sales.

He just wanted to put it out anyway he could.

AlexdeParis said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

It doesn't make sense to me either. I just shrug it off and move on.

It make perfect sense to me. Prince has dabbled in a variety of genres and styles. As such, it's a natural assumption that a Prince site would have a variety of posters with all kinds of tastes and opinions. The diversity of thought here trumps every music site I've ever visited and that's why I'm here. Despite being a big Prince fan, I rarely go over to that section of this site. P has never been the be all and end all for me, so Music: Non-Prince is where it's at!

All preference when you get down to it

I prefer and listen to Dangerous more, but D&P (which is good too) is a more consistent album, whereas Dangerous sounds like 2 albums put together sometimes. They both have great songwriting and production

Thunder

Love's Kiss was running through my veins

the bed started shakin' I don't know who to blame

me or this flower right in front of my eyes

is this my sweet savior or the devin in disguise

Jam

I Have To Find My Peace 'Cause
No One Seems To Let Me Be
False Prophets Cry Of Doom
What Are The Possibilities
I Told My Brother
There'll Be Problems,
Times And Tears For Fears,
We Must Live Each Day
Like It's The Last

both have crap songs. Dangerous has Heal The World and D&P has of course, Jughead

I think Prince should've maybe taken songs from D&P and Love Symbol (since they sound a lot alike) and put out 1 great album

[Edited 8/20/11 14:56pm]

bboy87 said:

All preference when you get down to it

I prefer and listen to Dangerous more, but D&P (which is good too) is a more consistent album, whereas Dangerous sounds like 2 albums put together sometimes. They both have great songwriting and production

Thunder

Love's Kiss was running through my veins

the bed started shakin' I don't know who to blame

me or this flower right in front of my eyes

is this my sweet savior or the devin in disguise

Jam

I Have To Find My Peace 'Cause
No One Seems To Let Me Be
False Prophets Cry Of Doom
What Are The Possibilities
I Told My Brother
There'll Be Problems,
Times And Tears For Fears,
We Must Live Each Day
Like It's The Last

both have crap songs. Dangerous has Heal The World and D&P has of course, Jughead

I think Prince should've maybe taken songs from D&P and Love Symbol (since they sound a lot alike) and put out 1 great album

[Edited 8/20/11 14:56pm]

How dare you!? That is a beautiful song..

bboy87 said:

both have crap songs. Dangerous has Keep The Faith and D&P has of course, Jughead

FTFY

Dangerous. Prince's music had started to decline at that point, although D&P did produce a few hits, and compared to most other artists was still a top notch CD, but compared to Prince's earlier CDs, it fell short.

Dangerous, on the other hand still was up to speed with what we had been used to from MJ.

Dangerous for the win. No contest.

Now to make it interesting for me..it would have to be:

Dangerous VS The Batman 89 album/soundtrack

WOW! This is hard! I love both of them! But I have to say "Dangerous" I mean the whole sound! 'New Jack Swing' has become one of my favorite music genre's, and while it does not exist anymore, everything from that era takes me places! The whole era of 'Dangerous' is so legendary! I feel Michael Jackson just entered into a exceptional level as it pertains to his dancing, singing, producing, the style, EVERYTHING! It's sheer perfection! I LOVE Diamonds & Pearls but now thinking about it, it stands midget to 'Dangerous' the hits and the whole feel just is AMAZING!! Michael exploring more musical themes and taking chances worked for him. Dropping Quincy Jones which I feel was the best thing he could do, to work with the amazing top dog in the 90's Teddy Riley! They were the perfect team, and Michael Jackson just ruled DANGEROUS. Let me not go on a tangent, I can speak about it ALL DAY! I am a bit biased because it's one of my favorite era's and albums BUT I mean..REALLY...It is awesome. SO YES..DANGEROUS!

LiLi1992 said:

TylerHippie said:

Ok, this is annoying.

No one isn't going to be honest about which is better. You have die hard MJ and Prince fans here.

I personally think 1999 is better than Thriller, Sign is better than Bad, and Diamonds and Pearls is better than Dangerous. Not because I'm a Prince fan, simply because his music is much more interesting to me. He plays all the instruments, dance,talks about sex, has a cool personality etc...

Some people are just picking their favorite artist album even though they know the other album is better. That's loyalty.

[Edited 8/16/11 8:52am]

Music - a very subjective thing.
It is impossible to say exactly what the album is better because it all depends on what criterion is dominant in comparison.
Jackson music is more universal and understandable. He wanted to create a massive music, clear and close to all.
Prince music more original and complex.
Which is better: the universality and accessibility, or the originality and complexity? It is impossible to answer this question objectively.
Everywhere has its + and -

So yes, tastes - the dominant component of our assessment records.

For me:

Thriller is better than 1999

Sign is better than Bad

Dangreous is better than Diamonds and Pearls

THIS IS A VERY PERFECT STATEMENT AND ASSESSMENT! WOW! You took the words out of my mouth! lol

Militant said:

I get what Lili is saying.

Michael definitely experimented with different things but nowhere near to the point Prince has. I mean, to say otherwise is ridiculous.

Michael never deliberately opted to do something that he knew wouldn't be commercially successful just because he felt like it.

Prince is the guy that puts out instrumental jazz albums like NEWS that even half his fanbase don't have much interest in! He's the guy that'll make entire funk albums where he did basically everything them except the lead vocals, won't put his name anywhere on the record, and then deny that he had anything to do with it for years! (The Time).

Michael rode out the commercial success of Thriller for two years, and didn't even have serious thoughts about recording a follow up for three years. Hell, the title track didn't come out as a single with the video until 14 months after the album had already been released. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, but that's the kind of thing you do when you're trying to sell as many records as possible.

Prince, on the other hand, had a follow-up album to Purple Rain released and in stores just 9 months afterward. He could have ridden it out for another year, taken the Purple Rain tour international and sold another 15-20 million records if he was focused on on sales. And then he releases a wholly uncommercial psychedelic follow-up that sounds NOTHING like the sound that made him a superstar, and sends the album to radio with NO single! Straight up told 'em "play what you like".... which just confused the hell out of all of them! WB, expecting a commercial follow-up were completely non-plussed and basically forced Prince to release singles from the album.

Those are more so the actions of someone who wants to challenge the audience on a musical level and open them up to new sounds (opening ATWIAD with the title track being a perfect example), and is completely willing to forego selling more records in order to do that.

I think that's what Lili was getting at. Prince was and has always been perfectly happy with the possibility that the general public might not get what he was doing at all.

You could almost say that Michael tried to operate vertically, as in always thinking "How can the next thing be even bigger and better and create more and more buzz!", always trying to move upwards.

Whereas Prince operates horizontally. Like, "OK, done that. Let's move on to something else that's different. Maybe it'll work, maybe not, but we'll do it, and then we'll move on again".

They're my two favorite artists of all time, equally and I'm fortunate enough to have seen them both live - but the reason this debate never works for me is primarily because their similarities are superficial (both black, both pop artists, both making funk/soul based music)... but their career ideals and objectives are about as different as you can get.

Totally agree with your words man! You said this PERFECTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Militant said:

Dangerous. Pretty much adore everything on there.

Love D&P too, but Dangerous edges it.

Here's the thing though. It took Michael 4 years after "Bad" to make something else as good.

If you combined the best of D&P with the best of EITHER album from even just the years before and after (that's Graffiti Bridge and Love Symbol) - then Prince would win.

As much as I love Prince releasing music so often, there's a few times where I wish he would have taken a year out and then an album could have comprised of the best parts of what we got in two albums.

I mean, can you imagine if stuff like "Gett Off" and "Cream" appeared on the same album as "Sexy MF", "My Name Is Prince" and "The Max". It would be a pure funk overload!

To go more extreme, if you compare the music released in the same timespan ('87-'91), it's worlds apart. Michael gave us two excellent discs in that time.... Prince gave us Sign O The Times, Lovesexy, The Black Album, Batman, Graffiti Bridge, D&P......

Agreed. I wish Loveleft, Loveright, The Lubricated Lady, the Funky Weapon remix of Get Off, and Schoolyard were on DP instead of those other songs

The only songs I can bare on D&P is Get Off, Money Don't matter, and...damn. I can't remember any other songs off the album. Mike wins by default lol

Dangerous album

Diamonds & Pearls!!!

KeithyT said:

I keep twisting my monitor left and right but I can't get that hologram in the opening post to move