TotalAlisa said:

alphastreet said:

seriously...give it up TotalAlisa. i love me some janet, i love em about equally, and while i may agree Janet is a TECHNICALLY MORE TALENTED PERFORMER - she is missing something that Madonna has. and beauty/appreciation of music is in the eye of the beholder...no matter how you spin it, Janet will never be as 'big' as Madonna in the history of the world.

"SORRY"

janet has appreciation for music too. She has touched almost all genres of music. Not to mention she grew up in a musically talented family. So to insinuate janet doesn't have appreciation is far fetched.

You are right about the eye of the beholder, music is basically someone's tastes.

janet will not be as big as madonna but that is no knock to janet. Because we all know madonnaused gimmicks and shock tactics to get this big time house hold name. It wasn't based on actual talent. Someone being more popular does not make them a better artist. It is what it is.

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If Janet could've lost weight and got in shape like Madonna did she probably would have been out in public more with her own gimmicks. But it is what it is.

SUPRMAN said:

TotalAlisa said:

madonna was only relevant for her gimmicks and shocking people. That has nothing to do with music. its about staying in public interest. If it was all about great music that kept the public interested in you thats a whole different story.

I think Madonna was better between 2000-2010 than Janet. And the '80's. You can argue over the '90's but historically, it's not contest. Madonna will be remembered as the better artist and not a gimmick as her detractors here want to reduce her to. Madonna's influence had been greater, broader and more enduring than Janet's.

Though I love Janet so much and all of her work, all of it, Madonna really surprised me in the 00's and I was listening to her 00's albums more than Janet's. In the 90's, I would choose Janet's music over Madonna's then though now Madonna's has aged well, and during the 00's, Madonna was putting out consistent albums, which Janet didn't do for a little while. All For You was nice and has aged well, Damita Jo is a combination of her best, her medicore and her worst, 20 YO flows well though most of the tracks don't stand well on their own with a few exceptions, and Discipline was well done with a step in the right direction. Music showed promise, but got too slow and seemed a little lost in flow, American Life had good tunes with good hooks, melodies, tunes and a new type of production for her, Confessions was a coherent dance album that was hard to put down and Hard Candy was visiting her old r&b/dance roots of her first album days which I could enjoy for the most part. And who did I prefer on tour in the 00's regardless? JANET!

alphastreet said:

I have to give my two cents. I can see why people say female Michael cause of the dancing and sometimes sounding similar to him though her voice is different from his, but if you want to choose a female Michael from that time, I think Jody Watley or Karyn White are good candidates. Jody was an amazing performer who could sing, dance and write.

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I LOVE Janet BUT she is not MORE talented than Michael Jackson. I think even SHE knows that.

Michael is a very talented vocalist, a very accomplished songwriter, producer, director etc. His a visonary.. while Janet is talented mainly for her dancing, she isnt a genius and most of her success was a team effort. Maybe her dancing SKILL she might have a chance to be compared to Michael but other than that... just no.

Janet is a pretty mediocre vocalist who has to sing certain songs to compliment her voice, she doesnt write most of her songs on her own or produces them, I am not sure how much input she has in directing and coming up with the ideas of her videos.. but thats it her talent is just being a good performer. Not trying to put her down but if we are just comparing natural TALENT alone than Janet is not even on the radar folks and I think people know this just tryna be funny and start arguements once again

I am trying to understand why she is even being compared to Michael when the topic is about HER and MADONNA

SUPRMAN said:

PlayboyOriginal said:

I've listened to her music and it bored me endlessly. I don't see what you see when it comes to her. She contributed to pop culture greatly but I don't give a damn about pop culture. I love music for the art of it. Madonna is nothing more than an older Britney or younger than Marilyn. Society always takes a no talent hoe and makes them seem more than what they are. I don't buy into it.

Let me guess, but you're a Janet fan.

Not in the least bit, thats why my opinion is unbiased. I'm merely a casual listener of all 3 celebrities being discussed.

I love Madonna for Confessions cuz its a kick ass dance album.

I love Janet for Rhythm Nation and ability to perform like no other.

I love Michael for Off The Wall and ability to perform like no other.

mjscarousal said:

PlayboyOriginal said:

But she's right cuz Janet is the female Michael...... everything Michael did, Janet could do it too. The King & Queen of Dance. How is Michael more talented than Janet? Without Quincy Jones, would Michael even be in this discussion?

I REFUSE TO TAKE THE BAIITTTTT I will not...

I will JUST say this... DANCING is NOT just ONE AREA Michael was EXCEPTIONALLY talented in which is a among MANY other areas UNLIKE Janet which is mostly limited to just dancing.

This is not Janet vs Michael or Michael vs. Janet why are other artists being compared to Janet? This between Madonna and Janet. but shit if yall gonna act crazy and say things that are off the wall be prepared for stan wars

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LOL you took the bait anyways. Janet sings and writes just as well as Michael did. What else you got?

mjscarousal said:

alphastreet said:

I have to give my two cents. I can see why people say female Michael cause of the dancing and sometimes sounding similar to him though her voice is different from his, but if you want to choose a female Michael from that time, I think Jody Watley or Karyn White are good candidates. Jody was an amazing performer who could sing, dance and write.

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I LOVE Janet BUT she is not MORE talented than Michael Jackson. I think even SHE knows that.

Michael is a very talented vocalist, a very accomplished songwriter, producer, director etc. His a visonary.. while Janet is talented mainly for her dancing, she isnt a genius and most of her success was a team effort. Maybe her dancing SKILL she might have a chance to be compared to Michael but other than that... just no.

Janet is a pretty mediocre vocalist who has to sing certain songs to compliment her voice, she doesnt write most of her songs on her own or produces them, I am not sure how much input she has in directing and coming up with the ideas of her videos.. but thats it her talent is just being a good performer. Not trying to put her down but if we are just comparing natural TALENT alone than Janet is not even on the radar folks and I think people know this just tryna be funny and start arguements once again

I am trying to understand why she is even being compared to Michael when the topic is about HER and MADONNA

Ok, but why are you telling me? I do think Michael is way more talented, but I go through times when I listen to her way more and want to hear her voice instead, cause I'm also her fan as well. And yeah, they have similar moves, though she focuses more on choreography, and him more on freestyling. I think Michael came up into this conversation cause of people writing of Madonna and basing her legacy on one or two things about her and that is what people do to him too, and she and Michael are the big two (or 3 if you decide Prince counts) of the 80's

Janet's demographic is mainly the r&b crowd and some pop, while Madonna's largely pop with r&b, dance, and etc. Also, besides a few billboard feats I don't think Janet Jackson can even compare with Madonna in terms of sales or legacy in terms of things accomplished. I like Janet Jackson, but I don't know if she's had the same effect on culture as Madonna did.

That being said, I always felt that Madge's rivals back in the 80s were Cyndi Lauper, MJ, and Prince.

I agree those were her 80's rivals and Janet was still building herself

Janet is more popular in Western countries and parts of Asia and Europe, Madonna is a worldwide phenomenon.

Unholyalliance said:

Janet's demographic is mainly the r&b crowd and some pop, while Madonna's largely pop with r&b, dance, and etc. Also, besides a few billboard feats I don't think Janet Jackson can even compare with Madonna in terms of sales or legacy in terms of things accomplished. I like Janet Jackson, but I don't know if she's had the same effect on culture as Madonna did.

That being said, I always felt that Madge's rivals back in the 80s were Cyndi Lauper, MJ, and Prince.

Her Music Was R&B and Pop.

I honestly dont even know why This thread was even posted! I could see if Janet had released "Control" as her debut or was popular in the early 80's but she wasnt. The truth of the matter is that Janet Didnt become a Superstar until "Rhythm Nation 1814" which was released in the early 90's.

ThePopLover2 said:

Unholyalliance said:

Janet's demographic is mainly the r&b crowd and some pop, while Madonna's largely pop with r&b, dance, and etc. Also, besides a few billboard feats I don't think Janet Jackson can even compare with Madonna in terms of sales or legacy in terms of things accomplished. I like Janet Jackson, but I don't know if she's had the same effect on culture as Madonna did.

That being said, I always felt that Madge's rivals back in the 80s were Cyndi Lauper, MJ, and Prince.

Her Music Was R&B and Pop.

But it's mostly r&b which limits her demographic considerably unlike Madge who is mostly dance-pop even though she does venture into r&b.

Unholyalliance said:

ThePopLover2 said:

Her Music Was R&B and Pop.

But it's mostly r&b which limits her demographic considerably unlike Madge who is mostly dance-pop even though she does venture into r&b.

No it's not. I swear to you it's R&B AND Pop. I mean it's your opinion.

I do find it pretty Ironic that when Madge and Janet FIRST started out Madge was popular on the Dance charts and Janet was popular on the R&B charts though

Madonna is limited to only pop and disco...... she was NEVER a force in R&B or even noticed except for the valley black gays.

Yall are a mess with this whole Madonna thing. White people love Madge while black people love Janet. Janet crossed over more even though Madge tried desperately with Bedtimes Stories, I believe.

Janet started out R&B (formerly 'Black charts' ) and "crossed over" with Control and so forth. I wonder if Come Give Your Love To Me could have crossed over

PlayboyOriginal said:

Madonna is limited to only pop and disco...... she was NEVER a force in R&B or even noticed except for the valley black gays.

Yall are a mess with this whole Madonna thing. White people love Madge while black people love Janet. Janet crossed over more even though Madge tried desperately with Bedtimes Stories, I believe.

People thought Madonna was a black artist with 'Everybody' when it was on the radio until she showed herself. Disco was something popular among black people and lgbtqq people anyways before the craze and I'm sure after it. Maybe the r&b you are thinking of is the slowed down r&b of the 90's like what vainandy bitches about on this board, but she wasn't too far off from that demographic either in the very beginning of her career with her first album, which was like the r&b of that time. No one ever said she paved the way for r&b/urban artists though you never know with people like Lil Kim and Nikki Minaj Maybe you just want to believe there is no way black people can like Madonna or something, I went to Madonna's last tour with *gasp* a black friend and I can tell you first hand she's not a queen. In fact, I think it's only Americans who think Madonna is for gay people. She gets way more attention and airplay in Canada and I believe Europe.

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PlayboyOriginal said:

Madonna is limited to only pop and disco...... she was NEVER a force in R&B or even noticed except for the valley black gays.

Yall are a mess with this whole Madonna thing. White people love Madge while black people love Janet. Janet crossed over more even though Madge tried desperately with Bedtimes Stories, I believe.

I'm not going to lie though, that "Human Nature" song was the bomb!

ThePopLover2 said:

Unholyalliance said:

But it's mostly r&b which limits her demographic considerably unlike Madge who is mostly dance-pop even though she does venture into r&b.

No it's not. I swear to you it's R&B AND Pop. I mean it's your opinion.

I do find it pretty Ironic that when Madge and Janet FIRST started out Madge was popular on the Dance charts and Janet was popular on the R&B charts though

I didn't deny her doing pop music, but her biggest contribution was to r&b. Even though I have argued that r&b and pop are actually quite similar I still think it's the disco/post-disco/dance-pop/rock factor that helped keep Madge's demographic way more expansive, among other things...

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Unholyalliance said:

ThePopLover2 said:

No it's not. I swear to you it's R&B AND Pop. I mean it's your opinion.

I do find it pretty Ironic that when Madge and Janet FIRST started out Madge was popular on the Dance charts and Janet was popular on the R&B charts though

I didn't deny her doing pop music, but her biggest contribution was to r&b. Even though I have argued that r&b and pop are actually quite similar I still think it's the disco/post-disco/dance-pop/rock factor that helped keep Madge's demographic way more expansive, among other things...

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what do you mean expansive among other things?

Isnt Janet like the only artist to have a top 10 hit in pop, dance, r&b, country and rock? or am i really trippin? Her Biggest contribution was both.

When did Janet chart on country? Or did that come from someone presenting her with an award?

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ThePopLover2 said:

Unholyalliance said:

I didn't deny her doing pop music, but her biggest contribution was to r&b. Even though I have argued that r&b and pop are actually quite similar I still think it's the disco/post-disco/dance-pop/rock factor that helped keep Madge's demographic way more expansive, among other things...

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what do you mean expansive among other things?

Isnt Janet like the only artist to have a top 10 hit in pop, dance, r&b, country and rock? or am i really trippin? Her Biggest contribution was both.

I meant that her music is not the only reason why her demographic is as expansive as it is.

I lol'd really hard at this. But, seriously, wasn't Janet constantly singing songs about sex and masturbation all throughout the 90s?

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ThePopLover2 said:

Isnt Janet like the only artist to have a top 10 hit in pop, dance, r&b, country and rock?

No, that wasn't Janet, it was Sheena Easton. I think Sheena had an album on the jazz chart too, the one produced by Patrice Rushen called No Strings. Sheena also had hits on the Adult Contemporary chart.

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AND Janet the married woman was kissing man after man every night on tour Miss Jackson if you nasty!!! I don't think Janet intended to copy Madonna, but the Like a Virgin controversy here in Toronto on Blonde Ambition was so big that anyone else doing something similar after was like a walk in the park. I remember even girls were wishing Janet would pull them up onstage.

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alphastreet said:

When did Janet chart on country? Or did that come from someone presenting her with an award?

Someone to call my lover was a top 10 hit. And do you mean by that?

MickyDolenz said:

ThePopLover2 said:

Isnt Janet like the only artist to have a top 10 hit in pop, dance, r&b, country and rock?

No, that wasn't Janet, it was Sheena Easton. I think Sheena had an album on the jazz chart too, the one produced by Patrice Rushen called No Strings. Sheena also had hits on the Adult Contemporary chart.

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Are you talking about album hits? because I was talking about single hits.

During RN, I think Shaquille O'Neal was presenting her with an award, I forgot which awards show tonight, maybe MTV or Soul Train, he said she's the queen of pop, r&b, dance, country etc. and I raised my eyebrows

And okay yeah, I've heard Janet describe the song as country, but had no idea it charted there. I don't remember hearing that at all though it could have been when my computer crashed for a month 10 years ago (I can't believe it was 10, YRMW would come out soon, Janet was doing well, I didn't know Aaliyah was going to die, 9/11 would happen, other things in life would go downhill after that)

ThePopLover2 said:

MickyDolenz said:

No, that wasn't Janet, it was Sheena Easton. I think Sheena had an album on the jazz chart too, the one produced by Patrice Rushen called No Strings. Sheena also had hits on the Adult Contemporary chart.

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Are you talking about album hits? because I was talking about single hits.

Singles. I just mentioned the jazz album, because there is no jazz singles chart.

alphastreet said:

During RN, I think Shaquille O'Neal was presenting her with an award, I forgot which awards show tonight, maybe MTV or Soul Train, he said she's the queen of pop, r&b, dance, country etc. and I raised my eyebrows

And okay yeah, I've heard Janet describe the song as country, but had no idea it charted there. I don't remember hearing that at all though it could have been when my computer crashed for a month 10 years ago (I can't believe it was 10, YRMW would come out soon, Janet was doing well, I didn't know Aaliyah was going to die, 9/11 would happen, other things in life would go downhill after that)

oh you mean Magic Johnson. Oh well it's his opinion

MickyDolenz said:

ThePopLover2 said:

Are you talking about album hits? because I was talking about single hits.

Singles. I just mentioned the jazz album, because there is no jazz singles chart.

well im not sure about jazz but all the rest YOU just listed, janet has charted on.

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