Dont you mean was Janet Jackson Madonna's rival during the 80's? Theres no way Madonna competed against Janet, she didnt have to, Janet was competing against Madonna. The only rival of Madonnas was Michael, they were the front tiers.

^^^

I agree, I believe Madonna has done the best job of sustaining her career. I do think that it is going to flip flop back to the vocalists though in a few years. Whitney's voice has been recovering, and she already got the smack down from her label saying she's not releasing another cd until her voice is better, and she's been seeing several doctors and apparantely gave up smoking. Celine has never lost her voice to begin with. So I think as Madonna gets older, Celine and Whitney will eventually be the ones with the better careers. I mean look at Barbra, Aretha, Patti and Gladys, Barbra just had a #1 cd in 2009, and the other three are still getting booked for televised shows and are still touring. Janet will probably fizzle out in music but keep acting, which is a good thing. Whitney is obviously getting back into movies. I have no idea what Mariah is going to do, she's not taken seriously anymore, but she's been really smart with her endorsements. I just think Madonna will have a harder time selling her music and concerts as she gets older. But then again, Madonna is smart as hell, so i'm sure she'll come up with something to keep her brand alive.

jsluva said:

I think Janet and Madonna were competition as far as the music and performances were concerned. As far as the charts and worldwide it was between Madonna and Whitney, both were tied for seven #1 singles in the 80's, the most for a female and were big album sellers.. In the black community it was Janet,Whitney and Jody.

I agree. And Tbh I really dot know why people try to pin madge up there with MJ I really dont

especially seeing that He was already A global superstar before she could even debut. The only competition that I would say MJ had was prince when it comes to Hits I guess?

As a female artist, Madonna had no competition in the 80's.

She was a beast.

Thing about Madonna is that she was more than a song and dance woman.

Besides having one top 10 hit after the other, after the other, after the other, etc.

She was a a big movie star after Desperately Seeking Susan and continued to work in film. Then she was in a high profile marriage to Sean Penn. She created a fashion trend with her early Boy Toy image. She was extremely sexual, edgy, constantly controversial and always pushing the envelope. And constantly in the news. She was larger than life. With an extrovert personality. If she did a talk show it would be an event.

Janet on the other hand, had huge 10 ten hits but her personality and presense was not even in the same leauge as Madonna. There was nothing controversial about Janet. She was just a good looking performer with cool great choreographed videos and hit songs by Jam & Lewis. She didnt really do much to attract the same amount of attention and focus.

Thats about it.

sexyfunkystrange said:

As a female artist, Madonna had no competition in the 80's.

She was a beast.

Thing about Madonna is that she was more than a song and dance woman.

Besides having one top 10 hit after the other, after the other, after the other, etc.

She was a a big movie star after Desperately Seeking Susan and continued to work in film. Then she was in a high profile marriage to Sean Penn. She created a fashion trend with her early Boy Toy image. She was extremely sexual, edgy, constantly controversial and always pushing the envelope. And constantly in the news. She was larger than life. With an extrovert personality. If she did a talk show it would be an event.

Janet on the other hand, had huge 10 ten hits but her personality and presense was not even in the same leauge as Madonna. There was nothing controversial about Janet. She was just a good looking performer with cool great choreographed videos and hit songs by Jam & Lewis. She didnt really do much to attract the same amount of attention and focus.

Thats about it.

I'm sorry, What? Isnt she the nominated for Razzie awards? From what I've heard she is not a good actress what so ever.

Janet isnt known for her controversy, She's known for being a pioneer in female dance . And the hits were by Janet, Lewis, and Jam.

ThePopLover2 said:

jsluva said:

I think Janet and Madonna were competition as far as the music and performances were concerned. As far as the charts and worldwide it was between Madonna and Whitney, both were tied for seven #1 singles in the 80's, the most for a female and were big album sellers.. In the black community it was Janet,Whitney and Jody.

I agree. And Tbh I really dot know why people try to pin madge up there with MJ I really dont

especially seeing that He was already A global superstar before she could even debut. The only competition that I would say MJ had was prince when it comes to Hits I guess?

By the time Madonna's third album, she was just as globally famous as he was.

chamber said:

ThePopLover2 said:

I agree. And Tbh I really dot know why people try to pin madge up there with MJ I really dont

especially seeing that He was already A global superstar before she could even debut. The only competition that I would say MJ had was prince when it comes to Hits I guess?

By the time Madonna's third album, she was just as globally famous as he was.

Yeah....no.... She was up there, but not up THERE.

smoothcriminal12 said:

chamber said:

By the time Madonna's third album, she was just as globally famous as he was.

Yeah....no.... She was up there, but not up THERE.

That's what I'm saying.

ThePopLover2 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Yeah....no.... She was up there, but not up THERE.

That's what I'm saying.

Exactly. Michael was freaking huge. He took superstar to another level! He redefined everything and changed the game. And he had talent. I love Madge, but her voice is akin to the sound of nails scratching against chalkboard.

ThePopLover2 said:

sexyfunkystrange said:

As a female artist, Madonna had no competition in the 80's.

She was a beast.

Thing about Madonna is that she was more than a song and dance woman.

Besides having one top 10 hit after the other, after the other, after the other, etc.

She was a a big movie star after Desperately Seeking Susan and continued to work in film. Then she was in a high profile marriage to Sean Penn. She created a fashion trend with her early Boy Toy image. She was extremely sexual, edgy, constantly controversial and always pushing the envelope. And constantly in the news. She was larger than life. With an extrovert personality. If she did a talk show it would be an event.

Janet on the other hand, had huge 10 ten hits but her personality and presense was not even in the same leauge as Madonna. There was nothing controversial about Janet. She was just a good looking performer with cool great choreographed videos and hit songs by Jam & Lewis. She didnt really do much to attract the same amount of attention and focus.

Thats about it.

I'm sorry, What? Isnt she the nominated for Razzie awards? From what I've heard she is not a good actress what so ever.

Janet isnt known for her controversy, She's known for being a pioneer in female dance . And the hits were by Janet, Lewis, and Jam.

Yeah, Madonna was no great actress, but she never the less had a presense in film, and that added to her profile in the media. And Desperately Seeking Susan was a BIG film and was the one movie she got praise for, which took her career to the next level.

Janet wasnt known for being a "pioneer"in female dance, she just had very cool choreographed videos. The moves that got people's attention were from the videos that Paula Abdul choreographed.

Janet is fantastic.

But she was no rival with Madonna. There was more going on with Madonna than music, dancing and videos. She was a media phenomenon.

You have to understand, Madonaa was ALWAYS in the news. ALL the time.

Always in talk show host's monolouges. Everybody knew who she was.

Pure fame.

She was on a whole other level.

sexyfunkystrange said:

ThePopLover2 said:

I'm sorry, What? Isnt she the nominated for Razzie awards? From what I've heard she is not a good actress what so ever.

Janet isnt known for her controversy, She's known for being a pioneer in female dance . And the hits were by Janet, Lewis, and Jam.

Yeah, Madonna was no great actress, but she never the less had a presense in film, and that added to her profile in the media. And Desperately Seeking Susan was a BIG film and was the one movie she got praise for, which took her career to the next level.

Janet wasnt known for being a "pioneer"in female dance, she just had very cool choreographed videos. The moves that got people's attention were from the videos that Paula Abdul choreographed.

Janet is fantastic.

But she was no rival with Madonna. There was more going on with Madonna than music, dancing and videos. She was a media phenomenon.

You have to understand, Madonaa was ALWAYS in the news. ALL the time.

Always in talk show host's monolouges. Everybody knew who she was.

Pure fame.

She was on a whole other level.

Okay, Here's where I'm coming from.

Beyonce= keeps her life private, I mean you NEVER see that girl on the news

Lady Gaga= Every minute the girl has either said something or done something TO be on the news.

So Does that mean that Lady gaga is Better than Beyonce because Lady gaga stays in the lime light and Beyonce doesnt?

Same situation with Janet and Madonna

jsluva said:

As far as the charts and worldwide it was between Madonna and Whitney,

I thought Kylie Minogue & Kim Wylde were more popular overseas.

ThePopLover2 said:

sexyfunkystrange said:

Yeah, Madonna was no great actress, but she never the less had a presense in film, and that added to her profile in the media. And Desperately Seeking Susan was a BIG film and was the one movie she got praise for, which took her career to the next level.

Janet wasnt known for being a "pioneer"in female dance, she just had very cool choreographed videos. The moves that got people's attention were from the videos that Paula Abdul choreographed.

Janet is fantastic.

But she was no rival with Madonna. There was more going on with Madonna than music, dancing and videos. She was a media phenomenon.

You have to understand, Madonaa was ALWAYS in the news. ALL the time.

Always in talk show host's monolouges. Everybody knew who she was.

Pure fame.

She was on a whole other level.

Okay, Here's where I'm coming from.

Beyonce= keeps her life private, I mean you NEVER see that girl on the news

Lady Gaga= Every minute the girl has either said something or done something TO be on the news.

So Does that mean that Lady gaga is Better than Beyonce because Lady gaga stays in the lime light and Beyonce doesnt?

Same situation with Janet and Madonna

Thats not really a good comparision though. Lady Gaga technically IS more talented and artistically better than Beyonce even WITHOUT her antics which mostly consists of (wardrobe) not really off the wall shit like Madonna did.

Going back to JJ, Madonna was HUGE WAY before Control even came out. Janet was good during her prime and is great but I always find it funny how people try to pin her with Madonna.. There not in the same league.

mjscarousal said:

ThePopLover2 said:

Okay, Here's where I'm coming from.

Beyonce= keeps her life private, I mean you NEVER see that girl on the news

Lady Gaga= Every minute the girl has either said something or done something TO be on the news.

So Does that mean that Lady gaga is Better than Beyonce because Lady gaga stays in the lime light and Beyonce doesnt?

Same situation with Janet and Madonna

Thats not really a good comparision though. Lady Gaga technically IS more talented and artistically better than Beyonce even WITHOUT her antics which mostly consists of (wardrobe) not really off the wall shit like Madonna did.

Going back to JJ, Madonna was HUGE WAY before Control even came out. Janet was good during her prime and is great but I always find it funny how people try to pin her with Madonna.. There not in the same league.

I agree!

sexyfunkystrange said:

As a female artist, Madonna had no competition in the 80's.

She was a beast.

Thing about Madonna is that she was more than a song and dance woman.

Besides having one top 10 hit after the other, after the other, after the other, etc.

She was a a big movie star after Desperately Seeking Susan and continued to work in film. Then she was in a high profile marriage to Sean Penn. She created a fashion trend with her early Boy Toy image. She was extremely sexual, edgy, constantly controversial and always pushing the envelope. And constantly in the news. She was larger than life. With an extrovert personality. If she did a talk show it would be an event.

Janet on the other hand, had huge 10 ten hits but her personality and presense was not even in the same leauge as Madonna. There was nothing controversial about Janet. She was just a good looking performer with cool great choreographed videos and hit songs by Jam & Lewis. She didnt really do much to attract the same amount of attention and focus.

Thats about it.

All very correct! Especially the bolded part TBH I think Janet's main rival was Paula Abdul back in the day. Paula was very hot back in the late 80s-early 90's. Her and Janet were both very attractive, sexy women who werent praised for their singing but for their dancing and slick music videos and catchy pop songs. At one point I think Paula even slightly eclipsed Janet in popularity, but her music career fizzled after her second album and Janet went on to have more success.

NaughtyKitty said:

sexyfunkystrange said:

As a female artist, Madonna had no competition in the 80's.

She was a beast.

Thing about Madonna is that she was more than a song and dance woman.

Besides having one top 10 hit after the other, after the other, after the other, etc.

She was a a big movie star after Desperately Seeking Susan and continued to work in film. Then she was in a high profile marriage to Sean Penn. She created a fashion trend with her early Boy Toy image. She was extremely sexual, edgy, constantly controversial and always pushing the envelope. And constantly in the news. She was larger than life. With an extrovert personality. If she did a talk show it would be an event.

Janet on the other hand, had huge 10 ten hits but her personality and presense was not even in the same leauge as Madonna. There was nothing controversial about Janet. She was just a good looking performer with cool great choreographed videos and hit songs by Jam & Lewis. She didnt really do much to attract the same amount of attention and focus.

Thats about it.

All very correct! Especially the bolded part TBH I think Janet's main rival was Paula Abdul back in the day. Paula was very hot back in the late 80s-early 90's. Her and Janet were both very attractive, sexy women who werent praised for their singing but for their dancing and slick music videos and catchy pop songs. At one point I think Paula even slightly eclipsed Janet in popularity, but her music career fizzled after her second album and Janet went on to have more success.

I agree. Paula could dance her ass off back in the day Her skills are versatile

ThePopLover2 said:

sexyfunkystrange said:

Yeah, Madonna was no great actress, but she never the less had a presense in film, and that added to her profile in the media. And Desperately Seeking Susan was a BIG film and was the one movie she got praise for, which took her career to the next level.

Janet wasnt known for being a "pioneer"in female dance, she just had very cool choreographed videos. The moves that got people's attention were from the videos that Paula Abdul choreographed.

Janet is fantastic.

But she was no rival with Madonna. There was more going on with Madonna than music, dancing and videos. She was a media phenomenon.

You have to understand, Madonaa was ALWAYS in the news. ALL the time.

Always in talk show host's monolouges. Everybody knew who she was.

Pure fame.

She was on a whole other level.

Okay, Here's where I'm coming from.

Beyonce= keeps her life private, I mean you NEVER see that girl on the news

Lady Gaga= Every minute the girl has either said something or done something TO be on the news.

So Does that mean that Lady gaga is Better than Beyonce because Lady gaga stays in the lime light and Beyonce doesnt?

Same situation with Janet and Madonna

??

I hear you man (or woman?), but I didnt think this thread was about who is "better"?

It was about wether they were rivals. Im trying objectively point out they occupied different spaces in the industry that gave a Madonna a higher profile and recognition across all kinds of media, that Janet didnt have.

Thats all.

Also should point out, the Lady Gaga and Beyonce analogy doesnt really fit.

Lady Gaga is outrageous looking,... but thats about it. Thats where it begins and ends with her as far as her NEWS worthiness. She is harmless.

But not Madonna, she was about pressing people's buttons. Doing and saying things that were taboo. Like doing a song about a gay dance craze and having it go to #1. Like kissing a black man in her video, when that was still considered scandalous. Madonna would really get people riled up.

Plus her Hollywood connection, even if she wasnt a great actress, put her over the top.

Look if you think Janet wipes the floor with Madonna, thats cool.

But Im pointing out things that dont necessarily have to do with who's "better". Just about what their level of status in the industry was...and why.

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mjscarousal said:

NaughtyKitty said:

All very correct! Especially the bolded part TBH I think Janet's main rival was Paula Abdul back in the day. Paula was very hot back in the late 80s-early 90's. Her and Janet were both very attractive, sexy women who werent praised for their singing but for their dancing and slick music videos and catchy pop songs. At one point I think Paula even slightly eclipsed Janet in popularity, but her music career fizzled after her second album and Janet went on to have more success.

I agree. Paula could dance her ass off back in the day Her skills are versatile

True. Paula is a real dancer and she can do a variety of dance styles. She's studied dance--started in her childhood and has choreographed for many people and as we all know she choreographed Janet's early videos.

NaughtyKitty said:

mjscarousal said:

I agree. Paula could dance her ass off back in the day Her skills are versatile

True. Paula is a real dancer and she can do a variety of dance styles. She's studied dance--started in her childhood and has choreographed for many people and as we all know she choreographed Janet's early videos.

Which is why even though I love JJ I dunno why Janet fans dont give Paula credit when she is in the mix with Janet. Janet is a damn good dancer but Paula was the master mind choregrapher behind alot of her early work not that that is a bad thing but just give credit where it is due

mjscarousal said:

ThePopLover2 said:

Okay, Here's where I'm coming from.

Beyonce= keeps her life private, I mean you NEVER see that girl on the news

Lady Gaga= Every minute the girl has either said something or done something TO be on the news.

So Does that mean that Lady gaga is Better than Beyonce because Lady gaga stays in the lime light and Beyonce doesnt?

Same situation with Janet and Madonna

Thats not really a good comparision though. Lady Gaga technically IS more talented and artistically better than Beyonce even WITHOUT her antics which mostly consists of (wardrobe) not really off the wall shit like Madonna did.

Going back to JJ, Madonna was HUGE WAY before Control even came out. Janet was good during her prime and is great but I always find it funny how people try to pin her with Madonna.. There not in the same league.

So it's okay for Whitney to be pinned with Madonna but as long as it's not Janet?

ThePopLover2 said:

mjscarousal said:

Thats not really a good comparision though. Lady Gaga technically IS more talented and artistically better than Beyonce even WITHOUT her antics which mostly consists of (wardrobe) not really off the wall shit like Madonna did.

Going back to JJ, Madonna was HUGE WAY before Control even came out. Janet was good during her prime and is great but I always find it funny how people try to pin her with Madonna.. There not in the same league.

So it's okay for Whitney to be pinned with Madonna but as long as it's not Janet?

I am both fans of Whitney and Janet and in BOTH threads I have said they aint no such thing as the BIG four.. no its just Michael, Prince and Madonna.

I made that comment because it seems to be a bitter feud between the fan bases of JJ and Madonna.

mjscarousal said:

ThePopLover2 said:

So it's okay for Whitney to be pinned with Madonna but as long as it's not Janet?

I am both fans of Whitney and Janet and in BOTH threads I have said they aint no such thing as the BIG four.. no its just Michael, Prince and Madonna.

I made that comment because it seems to be a bitter feud between the fan bases of JJ and Madonna.

I really, Really, REALLY dont mean to be disrespectful, especially on a Prince forum website. DO NOT take this personally, okay?

Why exactly is Prince in the same league as Madonna and MJ?

[Edited 8/10/11 10:56am]

ThePopLover2 said:

mjscarousal said:

I am both fans of Whitney and Janet and in BOTH threads I have said they aint no such thing as the BIG four.. no its just Michael, Prince and Madonna.

I made that comment because it seems to be a bitter feud between the fan bases of JJ and Madonna.

I really, Really, REALLY dont mean to be disrespectful, especially on a Prince forum website. DO NOT take this personally, okay?

Why exactly is Prince in the same league as Madonna and MJ?

He isn't really.

ThePopLover2 said:

mjscarousal said:

I am both fans of Whitney and Janet and in BOTH threads I have said they aint no such thing as the BIG four.. no its just Michael, Prince and Madonna.

I made that comment because it seems to be a bitter feud between the fan bases of JJ and Madonna.

I really, Really, REALLY dont mean to be disrespectful, especially on a Prince forum website. DO NOT take this personally, okay?

Why exactly is Prince in the same league as Madonna and MJ?

[Edited 8/10/11 10:56am]

Your not being disrespectful because I am an MJ stan

Your missing my point or maybe I wasnt being clear. I never insinuted in that post that all three of them were in the same LEAGUE of popularity. HOWEVER, They were very popular during the 80's and seemed to be the three mostly talked about when the 80's era is brought up. Michael and Madonna are of course more globally known and more commerical successful. However, the three of them were popular in the 80's which is my main point and no other artists are really mention with them.

This discussion isnt about them so lets not argue that again also lets not make dumb comparisions

Going back on topic.

Nobody is denying Janets impact or success. But she wasnt a rival to Madonna during the 80's. Madonna was massively popular way before Janet even broke into mainstream which was in 1986 with Control

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Janet as a rival to Madonna.

Tyler, now you are just making the threads up to watch the stans!

Two entirely different genres and audiences back then. They were never even postioned in the media to be rivals. They both existed free of comparison to the other and still do to this day. They'll both go down in music history as leaders in what they've accomplished.

No, but Janet is a better actress.

death at you folks acting like janet didnt drag madonna weave from the time control hit till superbowl 2004

chamber said:

ThePopLover2 said:

I agree. And Tbh I really dot know why people try to pin madge up there with MJ I really dont

especially seeing that He was already A global superstar before she could even debut. The only competition that I would say MJ had was prince when it comes to Hits I guess?

By the time Madonna's third album, she was just as globally famous as he was.

Not quite. For as huge as Madonna was and is, Michael has always been more famous and was probably the ONLY person (as far as entertainers go) who could upstage Madonna in the 80's, 90's and today if he was alive.

Otherwise, yes, she was huge and bigger than Janet was in the 80's.

I'd say a better question would be to ask about Janet rivaling Madonna in the late 80's and 90's especially. At one point, Janet was bigger than Madonna in the U.S. She was bigger than MJ at one point too (I'm talking about the U.S. here btw). With the "Rhythm Nation" and "Janet" albums, she was everywhere and I do believe she was bigger than Madonna during the early 90's. At least in America she was.

"Erotica" underperformed and was not as big of a seller as her previous albums. Janet was giving Madonna some serious competition in the 90's.

Cinnamon234 said:

chamber said:

By the time Madonna's third album, she was just as globally famous as he was.

Not quite. For as huge as Madonna was and is, Michael has always been more famous and was probably the ONLY person (as far as entertainers go) who could upstage Madonna in the 80's, 90's and today if he was alive.

Otherwise, yes, she was huge and bigger than Janet was in the 80's.

I'd say a better question would be to ask about Janet rivaling Madonna in the late 80's and 90's especially. At one point, Janet was bigger than Madonna in the U.S. She was bigger than MJ at one point too (I'm talking about the U.S. here btw). With the "Rhythm Nation" and "Janet" albums, she was everywhere and I do believe she was bigger than Madonna during the early 90's. At least in America she was.

"Erotica" underperformed and was not as big of a seller as her previous albums. Janet was giving Madonna some serious competition in the 90's.

Janet slayed madonna in the 90s point bland period..not only in america but worldwide

..Janet had more hits...her tours out grossed madonnas ..i remember billboard reported..when janet =s tours were grossing in the 70s mill range during rythmn nation madonna was grossing 18mill ..lets not kids ourselves Janet Jackson WAS HUUUUGE in the 90s