LittleBLUECorvette said:

Who is DJ Quik?

Shiit I'm still tryna figure out who is DJ Khaled and why is his ass on every rap joint? 'Bout tyyyyarrrrd of that mofo with his yellin' and self-proclamatin' and that damned crossed eye! GET THAT SHIT FIXED!

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Who is DJ Quik?

Dang I thought DJ Quik was well known. Anyway, he and El Debarge used to be BFF's. But here's some of his stuff:

^ That third video, never seen El's hair like that. Long and silky.

Timmy84 said:

^ That third video, never seen El's hair like that. Long and silky.

You mean the 4th one? Silky, silky babee. *two snaps and a Jus4me perm kit*

missfee said:

Timmy84 said:

^ That third video, never seen El's hair like that. Long and silky.

You mean the 4th one? Silky, silky babee. *two snaps and a Jus4me perm kit*

Ain't the screenshot on the third one El with his hair all out? I agree about the fourth one though.

Timmy84 said:

missfee said:

You mean the 4th one? Silky, silky babee. *two snaps and a Jus4me perm kit*

Ain't the screenshot on the third one El with his hair all out? I agree about the fourth one though.

Naw Timmy, the third the video is the "Up in da Club" video. El in nowhere near in there. He's in the last two vids I posted.

missfee said:

Timmy84 said:

Ain't the screenshot on the third one El with his hair all out? I agree about the fourth one though.

Naw Timmy, the third the video is the "Up in da Club" video. El in nowhere near in there. He's in the last two vids I posted.

That's what I meant.

HotGritz said:

Well if the contract is expired then he has every right to sue them for continuing to promote their product with his likeness etc.

So basically, Antares has been around since the Frampton and Roger days huh? Or were those guys using something else?

The contract may allow them to continue using his likeness after the contract expires. If they own the rights to those images and nothing in the contract prevents them from continued use, he may not find a sympathetic court.

HotGritz said:

gemari77 said:

This is what happens when goofballs find a little success and take themselves too seriously...

Those of us who are in the music business and deal with endorsements and such know that it's common for manufacturers to use the name and likeness of an artist/producer/engineer if they did in fact use their product... whether presently or in the past. It's a common thing and this is the first time I've seen someone sue a company who's product is largely responsible for their success/sound.

Paul McCartney spent years using Rickenbacher basses exclusively... he didn't sue Hofner or try to discourage them from using his name and image in association with their violin bass. I can name drop a huge list of endorsed musicians, engineers and producers who have switched manufacturers on some of their crucial gear... no one makes a stink about their names still being mentioned by old manufacturers. In fact, most of them welcome any place where their name is mentioned. Logical thinking says that the consumer will check out my music to hear what the product sounds like and I may gain a fan. Amongst musicians, there's nothing we like more than being recognized and respected by our peers. Endorsements and being listed by a manufacturer as someone worth mentioning is part of that.

T-Pain is coming off like he is solely responsible for Auto-tune's success and he was doing Antares a favor by letting them use his name and likeness.

Auto-Tune didn't begin with nor will it end with T-Pain. They can stop using his likeness... because, the reality is, Antares really doesn't need him to sell their products.

I understand that this is largely because he's releasing a competing product of his own..so, he's acting as the business man--not the musician--with this move. I get that.

Pro-Tools and Auto-tune have been the industry standard tools for making hit records for the last 12 years or so. Everyone in the business and just about every amatuer is aware of these products and they are built into our psyche. When we hear that affect, we will still think and say Autotune... not "The T-Pain Effect". Well... most of us anyway.

You make some great points and I agree with most of what you're saying but isn't there an issue of branding to consider? If T-Pain wants to remain the current poster boy for auto-tune and at the same time promote his own product then a conflict ensues. He will be effectively promoting two products that are competing against one another and his goal is to make money and secure his position as king of auto-tune. I see why he would want to sue Antares. They will continue to make money off of him even though he is no longer affilitated with that company. That does not seem right nor legal IMO.

Who owns the trademarks that Antares is using?

Does the contract mention post contractual advertising?

Does the contract cover future payments from advertising after the end of the contract?

(If the last one is a yes, T-Pain can save his money, he loses. If the contract anticipates future revenue, that revenue will only come from continued use of the trademarks, so he can't say he didn't know or intend for them to continue.)

HotGritz said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Who is DJ Quik?

Shiit I'm still tryna figure out who is DJ Khaled and why is his ass on every rap joint? 'Bout tyyyyarrrrd of that mofo with his yellin' and self-proclamatin' and that damned crossed eye! GET THAT SHIT FIXED!

He meant who is DJ Quik in our "if he was in Basketball" analogies

I'm mad at Khaled for having an ordinary common-ass name. My barber is DJ Khaled too muthafucka

If I remember correctly...............

CHER was the one that used it FIRST (remember Her song "Believe" ???

So Cher INDIRECTLY gave birth 2 that ASS CLOWN T-Pain!!!!!!

Anyways.......GAME OVER NUGGA!!!!!!! Lots of OTHER "Rivvum & Bullsh*t Saaaangaz"

use it BETTER!!!!!!

Cher could have sued too if Antares had used her likeness.

Is the same DJ Quik that got busted in NYC for gettin' head from a dude?

HotGritz said:

Is the same DJ Quik that got busted in NYC for gettin' head from a dude?

No, that was Mr Cee aka Biggie's DJ.

All these damn DJ so and sos and MC so and sos. I can't keep track anymore. Ima just call them dude.

Timmy84 said:

Here's the difference:

Talk box: Todd Rundgren (allegedly one of the first modern pop/rock performers to use it), Stevie Wonder, Peter Frampton, Roger Troutman, Teddy Riley, DJ Quik, George Michael (well I don't know about literally using it but the talk box was present in the part 2 remix of "Fastlove" and on "Outside")

Vocoder: Midnight Star, Roger Troutman (he used it sometimes), Lakeside, Rodney Jerkins records mainly had vocoder in it

Auto-Tune: Cher, T-Drone, most modern so-called pop artists today, etc.

The talk box vocoder list can go on. Mass Production, Sun, etc.

Sun's Just Wanna Make Love which came out in 1976 features the talk

box and i've seen on youtube where someone made the assumption that

Roger Troutman is the one on the record using the talk box and it's not.

Mass Production used the vocoder on Groove Me 1978.

TonyVanDam said:

HohnerCatcher said:

Peter Frampton is Larry Bird

Neil Young is Kevin McHale.

Will Smith is Robert Horry

Timmy84 said:

TonyVanDam said:

Neil Young is Kevin McHale.

And what is Todd Rundgren then. Huh?

Detlef Schrempf

Shango said:

Timmy84 said:

And what is Todd Rundgren then. Huh?

Detlef Schrempf

phunkdaddy said:

Timmy84 said:

Here's the difference:

Talk box: Todd Rundgren (allegedly one of the first modern pop/rock performers to use it), Stevie Wonder, Peter Frampton, Roger Troutman, Teddy Riley, DJ Quik, George Michael (well I don't know about literally using it but the talk box was present in the part 2 remix of "Fastlove" and on "Outside")

Vocoder: Midnight Star, Roger Troutman (he used it sometimes), Lakeside, Rodney Jerkins records mainly had vocoder in it

Auto-Tune: Cher, T-Drone, most modern so-called pop artists today, etc.

The talk box vocoder list can go on. Mass Production, Sun, etc.

Sun's Just Wanna Make Love which came out in 1976 features the talk

box and i've seen on youtube where someone made the assumption that

Roger Troutman is the one on the record using the talk box and it's not.

Mass Production used the vocoder on Groove Me 1978.

Greatest. Thread. Title. Ever.

I hope they both lose.

RodeoSchro said:

Greatest. Thread. Title. Ever.

I hope they both lose.