kitbradley said:

afro75 said:

Grace Slick has an amazing voice. I can forgive her for "We Built This City".

Hey! I dig that song!

So do I. We Built This City is an awesomely bad song that is still worth listening to.

armpit said:

TonyVanDam said:

So far, there has been at least 2 threads in 2011 where I've seen some posts that made negative comments about Patti LeBelle either (soul) screaming OR oversinging on her own greatest hits.

But yet, almost no one in the entire org has absolute nothing negative to say about the late rock & roll HOFer Janis Joplin, a grown woman who used to sometimes sing like a freaking truck driver!

Why hate Patti for screaming but not hate Janis for howling?!?

Actually, that's a damn good question.

Probably really inflammatory, as well.

I've always liked LaBelle's voice and she's one of the few singers that can get all over-the-top on mic like that and I just eat it up.

I've never understood why people go so crazy over Joplin's voice, although from what I've seen of her as a person on documentaries and stuff, she seemed cool as hell, the type of person I'd have loved to have been friends with if I were around at that time. As a person she gets my respect - as a musician (and vocalist)...notsomuch.

I've always thought Nikka Costa was like, the new Janis Joplin, only this time she came back cuter and can actually sing her ass off .

Make no mistake, Janis was definitely a cool woman (personality wise) and one of the female forerunners in the concept called Free Love (she was very bisexual on the down low!). But as a singer, she was OK until she started to howl on those attempted high notes.

I love the both of them and respect them too greatly. They both can scream me to the heights of zion and I will love them quite the same, even if my ears may sometimes disagree with me. LOL.

HotGritz said:

This thread has gone all around the mulberry bush but um....

Janis's voice isn't so bad. Consider the voices of Rod Stewart, Mick Jagger, Bonnie Tyler, T-Boz and a host of others. They all have that raspy sound and I think Janis qualifies as a raspy loud singer more than just a "howler".

Stevie Nicks has raspy vocals as well. But she doesn't howl!

Timmy84 said:

HotGritz said:

This thread has gone all around the mulberry bush but um....

Janis's voice isn't so bad. Consider the voices of Rod Stewart, Mick Jagger, Bonnie Tyler, T-Boz and a host of others. They all have that raspy sound and I think Janis qualifies as a raspy loud singer more than just a "howler".

Yeah and speaking as a fan of both Patti's and Janis' voices, it's ridiculous to compare them as if you wanna start a war lol "soul is better than rock" get the fuck out with that bullshit lol

Rock is "sexual". Soul is "spiritual". They need each other.

i loved janis joplin's voice in the beginning. she so sounded like etta james in some of her songs. then she did have her own unique style. the tremor in her voice and the blusey horn sound she could wrap around lyical syllables. the lady was gutsy. it was only when the producer machine started pushing her to do more with her voice. (remember that dog-awful television moment with tom jones where they both were just hollaring) janis was pure as a new artist in the beginning but with drugs, self esteem issues and bad management she folded up and died before she actually died.

also fyi: Janis Joplin did a great gesture in her love of blues music regarding great female blues vocalist "Bessie Smith."

Bessie Smith's grave remained unmarked until August 7, 1970, when a tombstone—paid for by singer Janis Joplin and Juanita Green, who as a child had done housework for Smith—was erected.

Patty LeBelle is an exuberant individual. She's always been that way. My song will always be "New Attitude." It's one of those pick me up and brush myself off and keep moving forward songs.

Yes I have to admit Ms Labelle does sing up and over people, but imo, her voice is like some sort of wonderful stringed insturment. Maybe she get's caught up in the spirit because she evokes so much passion in her songs. Maybe she picks up on people in her audience that are also caught up.

I luved her when she was with LaBelle. They dressed and inspired many when they performed. I have nothing bad to say about the lady. I do know though, with out her many young female artist would not be around today. I give tribute to her Patti Labelle.

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kitbradley said:

afro75 said:

Grace Slick has an amazing voice. I can forgive her for "We Built This City".

Hey! I dig that song!

Sorry!

TonyVanDam said:

kitbradley said:

Hey! I dig that song!

So do I. We Built This City is an awesomely bad song that is still worth listening to.

"Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now" is my fave "Starship" era song. Recently found out Grace Slick sang on Sesame Street's old "Jazzie Spies" vignettes:

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Not sure what prompted this thread but generally speaking, it seems as though Patti has had more pop crossover success than Janis ever did (during life). Patti has had quite a few of her songs become big "pop" hits, she even has a couple Billboard Hot 100 number ones. If I'm not mistaken, Janis only had one minor hit before she died with Piece Of My Heart and after she died she had a number one with Me and Bobby McGee but beyond that she didn't have any major hit songs that were seemingly universally loved (judging by charts).

Yes, Janis is seen as some sort of rock Goddess at this point but that's because she was associated with "counter culture", troubled during life and died so very young and it seemed like there was soooo much more ahead that we will never know. But during her life I think she was a little too far out there for the mainstream. Patti, was also seen as a little "out there" for a period but not in a boozy, drug addled, crazy Janis way so it seems the mainstream was always a little more receptive to her.

I don't think either one of their styles were ever going to be fully embraced by the mainstream because their styles aren't pop. Sure both dabbled in pop, but neither Janis nor Patti are "pop stars". So in short, it seems the general public has been more accepting of Patti's screaming while she's alive. Janis had to die in order to get any love from the general public and props from music press for her howling.

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This thread is so insane. So far i have heard

Janis Sucks?

Patti sounds like a cat matting in heat

It's all about race[i knew someone would throw the race card]

It's the illuminati controlling there voice

Lord

Tuls101 said:

Not sure what prompted this thread but generally speaking, it seems as though Patti has had more pop crossover success than Janis ever did (during life). Patti has had quite a few of her songs become big "pop" hits, she even has a couple Billboard Hot 100 number ones. If I'm not mistaken, Janis only had one minor hit before she died with Piece Of My Heart and after she died she had a number one with Me and Bobby McGee but beyond that she didn't have any major hit songs that were seemingly universally loved (judging by charts).

Yes, Janis is seen as some sort of rock Goddess at this point but that's because she was associated with "counter culture", troubled during life and died so very young and it seemed like there was soooo much more ahead that we will never know. But during her life I think she was a little too far out there for the mainstream. Patti, was also seen as a little "out there" for a period but not in a boozy, drug addled, crazy Janis way so it seems the mainstream was always a little more receptive to her.

I don't think either one of their styles were ever going to be fully embraced by the mainstream because their styles aren't pop. Sure both dabbled in pop, but neither Janis nor Patti are "pop stars". So in short, it seems the general public has been more accepting of Patti's screaming while she's alive. Janis had to die in order to get any love from the general public and props from music press for her howling.

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Exactly! Patti actually had much more hits then Janis. And some of these mofos said Janis got more hits cause she was white? they need to find a new damn excuse

kitbradley said:

We've all heard male rockers screaming thru their songs but I very seldom hear any negative feedback about it coming from anyone. It's really not a big deal. Everyone has their own singing style. Screaming & shouting is part of the history of Soul music. Like I said earlier, I'll take Patti's soul-shouting any day over Beyonce's watered-down, substance-less Dance vocals. That's just my personal preference. I hate generic, forgettable singers like Beyonce and Lady Ga Ga. Although she may go a bit overboard at times, I love singers like Patti, who can move me and touch my soul.

You have a great point about some rockers. I call that "noise" not singing. I don't think some people understand the history of soul music and where that type music style was born out of. Much of it comes from gospel/blues music, and it comes from deep within the soul. Funny how some parents pay a lot of money to send their kids to sing like Patti and others who have her singing style, yet Patti and those who have been blessed with the gift of that singing style, get harshly criticized.

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Anyone can scream, it takes skill to pull off a good howl.

Patti is like a lot of other greats, such as Eddie Van Halen, who does something spectacular, then inspires a younger generation to to the acrobatics without learning the fundamentals

It's not their fault for being great, but I almost want to blame her & Stevie for inspiring these clowns on Idol or wherever!

NDRU said:

Patti is like a lot of other greats, such as Eddie Van Halen, who does something spectacular, then inspires a younger generation to to the acrobatics without learning the fundamentals

It's not their fault for being great, but I almost want to blame her & Stevie for inspiring these clowns on Idol or wherever!

THANK YOU!

missfee said:

Damn I missed the party up in here too???

What's wrong with you? Sista, I'm gonna have to start reserving a spot on the cougch.

Get up Timmy..... thank you.

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you can till when i'm typing on my touch

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TD3 said:

missfee said:

Damn I missed the party up in here too???

What's wrong with you? Sista, I'm gonna have to start reserving spot on the cough.

Get up Timmy..... thank you.

Hahaha, sure. Here, have some popcorn I just warmed up in the microwave.

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Tuls101 said:

Not sure what prompted this thread but generally speaking, it seems as though Patti has had more pop crossover success than Janis ever did (during life). Patti has had quite a few of her songs become big "pop" hits, she even has a couple Billboard Hot 100 number ones. If I'm not mistaken, Janis only had one minor hit before she died with Piece Of My Heart and after she died she had a number one with Me and Bobby McGee but beyond that she didn't have any major hit songs that were seemingly universally loved (judging by charts).

Yes, Janis is seen as some sort of rock Goddess at this point but that's because she was associated with "counter culture", troubled during life and died so very young and it seemed like there was soooo much more ahead that we will never know. But during her life I think she was a little too far out there for the mainstream. Patti, was also seen as a little "out there" for a period but not in a boozy, drug addled, crazy Janis way so it seems the mainstream was always a little more receptive to her.

I don't think either one of their styles were ever going to be fully embraced by the mainstream because their styles aren't pop. Sure both dabbled in pop, but neither Janis nor Patti are "pop stars". So in short, it seems the general public has been more accepting of Patti's screaming while she's alive. Janis had to die in order to get any love from the general public and props from music press for her howling.

[Edited 7/21/11 9:42am]

......in which it also put Janis in the same class as Jimi Hendrix & Jim Morrison.

I like Patti's screaming and Janis howling have always liked the two of them

its passion, its soul, its rock love it