chocolate1 said:

formallypickles said:

I know alot of people who think mary j cant sing.

mostly the 43 and older crowd ( lol my dad and chocolate1)

I HATE THAT VOICE.

To me, she's always a little "flat" or something.

She reminds me of that lady in the choir who always grabs the mic, thinking that a song can't get done without her...

After church folks are talking about how she "sang", but truth is, she jumped, shouted, sweated, and acted a fool until her wig was crooked... But sang? No.

And pickles... I'll be 44 next month.

Lmao!

I changed it.

You know what? when i think about it the 40 and older crowd mostly grew up on dudes singing falsetto and women with high pitches or a really smooth jazzy vocies.

I cant think of anyone female artist with a raspy voice from the 70s- 80s. Help me out older folks

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formallypickles said:

chocolate1 said:

I HATE THAT VOICE.

To me, she's always a little "flat" or something.

She reminds me of that lady in the choir who always grabs the mic, thinking that a song can't get done without her...

After church folks are talking about how she "sang", but truth is, she jumped, shouted, sweated, and acted a fool until her wig was crooked... But sang? No.

And pickles... I'll be 44 next month.

Lmao!

I changed it.

You know what? when i think about it the 40 and older crowd mostly grew up on dudes singing falsetto and women with high pitches or a really smooth jazzy vocies.

I cant think of anyone female artist with a raspy voice from the 70s- 80s. Help me out older folks

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I used to have a pretty decent voice from the 70s-80s-90s, but I can no longer hit the notes I once did. Age has a lot to do with it.

formallypickles said:

You know what? when i think about it the 40 and older crowd mostly grew up on dudes singing falsetto and women with high pitches or a really smooth jazzy vocies.

I cant think of anyone female artist with a raspy voice from the 70s- 80s.

Just to name a few...



...Millie Jackson




...Candi Staton




...Betty Davis




...Lydia Pense (from the band Cold Blood)


Pretty much all 70s era.


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theAudience said:

...Candi Staton

BlaqueKnight said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah Mary can sing but sometimes she overuses it (much like Patti and Chaka - at times).

I have MAJOR issues with that whitewashed term "oversinging". Because I grew up in church, I refuse to let some culture vulture who don't know a damn thing about the culture tell ME how black folks are supposed to sing. (I'm not referring specifically to you, Timmy) Church style singing has always been a part of the black community and while I may not dig all of it myself all of the the time, I have great resentment for some clowns who know nothing about what they are criticizing try to socially demonize it because they themselves can't do it well. I don't run around telling country singers they sing too "twangy" or drag their syllables out too long and I'll be damned if I listen to some British douchebag from a television show or some half-singing ass washed up ex-pop star try to demonize church style singing because its not what THEY are used to. I can go through the pop and rock charts and find dozens of can't-sing ass bitches caterwalling all over the mic, off key and all and nobody even brings them up. Its always "this R&B singer is oversinging" or "that R&B singer is oversinging". Mainstreamers always want to discredit anything they didn't have a hand in but at the same time are quick as hell to "borrow" from it when it suits them. Even black folks who know where these singers' styles came from will dog them out just to fit in as a token. I'm not speaking specifically about Mary J., but about R&B singers in general.

I guess its only cool when white singers imitate that style of singing?

And don't anybody try to eliminate race from a conversation that is VERY rooted in specific culture.

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Bravo!! I agree with everything you said.

There are some instances where I generally do get annoyed at "oversinging"... like when some R&B artists sing the National Anthem angular or others who do so many runs that you don't even recognize the song melody....

But, for the most part... I have tremendous respect for traditional, diva style belters, Brian Mcknight and Stevie style vocal acrobatics...etc. When I was growing up, THAT was singing...sanging! It seems that that style is underappreciated these days outside of Gospel/church.

That's probably why I get more satisfaction watching Sunday's Best rather than American Idol.

scriptgirl said:

TLC you can't really say anything bad about. That group just came together perfectly-they had the right songs, moves, etc. They had chemistry out the ass.

Exactly! If any female group was meant to be together they were. It will never work if they tried to get another member. With that said T-Boz voice had a nice deep tone to it, That sounded like no one elses.

It is not just about who can belt out a song & do runs, Its about the tone in a voice. If U have the right tone U can sing any song & make it sound good. Toni Braxton has a nice deep tone to her voice, Her voice is not that spectacular. But the tone is outstanding. Janet to, even though I disagree that she can't sing. In some songs she sounds almost identical to her brother. Even if U think about the group "Guy". Teddy Riley can't really sing at all. But the tone of his voice carried him through many hits of theres.

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As long as the other thread stays on page one, this should too

Adisa said:

Because, like, isn't she the worst female singer to have had her voice all on a number 1 song? I used to have this running joke, sort of, back in the day where I would ask people if they had heard that Janet and T-Boz were working on a song together and then at people's reactions.

Anyway... yeah, T-Boz sucks. So why does she always get a pass when talking about awful female singers?

Adisa, put that rifle within reach you'll get a heap of these Janet fruitcakes coming outta the woodwork because of this thread.

at the title.....

BlaqueKnight said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah Mary can sing but sometimes she overuses it (much like Patti and Chaka - at times).

I have MAJOR issues with that whitewashed term "oversinging". Because I grew up in church, I refuse to let some culture vulture who don't know a damn thing about the culture tell ME how black folks are supposed to sing. (I'm not referring specifically to you, Timmy) Church style singing has always been a part of the black community and while I may not dig all of it myself all of the the time, I have great resentment for some clowns who know nothing about what they are criticizing try to socially demonize it because they themselves can't do it well. I don't run around telling country singers they sing too "twangy" or drag their syllables out too long and I'll be damned if I listen to some British douchebag from a television show or some half-singing ass washed up ex-pop star try to demonize church style singing because its not what THEY are used to. I can go through the pop and rock charts and find dozens of can't-sing ass bitches caterwalling all over the mic, off key and all and nobody even brings them up. Its always "this R&B singer is oversinging" or "that R&B singer is oversinging". Mainstreamers always want to discredit anything they didn't have a hand in but at the same time are quick as hell to "borrow" from it when it suits them. Even black folks who know where these singers' styles came from will dog them out just to fit in as a token. I'm not speaking specifically about Mary J., but about R&B singers in general.

I guess its only cool when white singers imitate that style of singing?

And don't anybody try to eliminate race from a conversation that is VERY rooted in specific culture.

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BASE!!!!

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I remember somebody from the org saying that Chaka is guilty of "vocal showing off"(Putting the absolute absurdness of this statement aside) I'm like, isn't the WHOLE point of any gifted musician to show off his/her instrument to the public who don't necessarily have the ability to do as they do?

You wait and see, you'll keep hearing bullshit like "oversinging/showing off", soon you'll be hearing "Chaka or so & so is alienating people with her vocal showing off" and with a straight face too.

Church Singers are overrated.

70% of the time church vocalists lack verstality, teqnique, control, etc. All they rely on is screaming and shouting.

But dont get me wrong, Yolanda Adams is awesome. She has the power, AND the skills to go with it.

MAry, not so much

Harlepolis said:

BlaqueKnight said:

I have MAJOR issues with that whitewashed term "oversinging". Because I grew up in church, I refuse to let some culture vulture who don't know a damn thing about the culture tell ME how black folks are supposed to sing. (I'm not referring specifically to you, Timmy) Church style singing has always been a part of the black community and while I may not dig all of it myself all of the the time, I have great resentment for some clowns who know nothing about what they are criticizing try to socially demonize it because they themselves can't do it well. I don't run around telling country singers they sing too "twangy" or drag their syllables out too long and I'll be damned if I listen to some British douchebag from a television show or some half-singing ass washed up ex-pop star try to demonize church style singing because its not what THEY are used to. I can go through the pop and rock charts and find dozens of can't-sing ass bitches caterwalling all over the mic, off key and all and nobody even brings them up. Its always "this R&B singer is oversinging" or "that R&B singer is oversinging". Mainstreamers always want to discredit anything they didn't have a hand in but at the same time are quick as hell to "borrow" from it when it suits them. Even black folks who know where these singers' styles came from will dog them out just to fit in as a token. I'm not speaking specifically about Mary J., but about R&B singers in general.

I guess its only cool when white singers imitate that style of singing?

And don't anybody try to eliminate race from a conversation that is VERY rooted in specific culture.

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BASE!!!!

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I remember somebody from the org saying that Chaka is guilty of "vocal showing off"(Putting the absolute absurdness of this statement aside) I'm like, isn't the WHOLE point of any gifted musician to show off his/her instrument to the public who don't necessarily have the ability to do as they do?

You wait and see, you'll keep hearing bullshit like "oversinging/showing off", soon you'll be hearing "Chaka or so & so is alienating people with her vocal showing off" and with a straight face too.

I couldn't agree more. I know for a fact that Chaka at her most quietest completely shits on T Boz's acid throat. The nerve of certain folks up in here.