Globally, and Internationally , People still listen to History Till this day , The VR is nowhere to be found ....History is his most personal, creative work, he was at his peak as a songwriter on that album , Stranger in moscow is the prime example.....

History covered more important issues , sent more imporant messages , and was recieved more globally....There is no comparsion!

Only michael who create angry political songs yet they sound catchy as hell...........RIP

seeingvoices12 said:

Globally, and Internationally , People still listen to History Till this day , The VR is nowhere to be found ....History is his most personal, creative work, he was at his peak as a songwriter on that album , Stranger in moscow is the prime example.....

History covered more important issues , sent more imporant messages , and was recieved more globally....There is no comparsion!

Only michael who create angry political songs yet they sound catchy as hell...........RIP

Dangerous is his most creative work. History is overrated as hell. Songs like History, Money, 2Bad, and Lil Susie are not strong songs and would have never made it as singles.

aaliyahcashmere89 said:

seeingvoices12 said:

Globally, and Internationally , People still listen to History Till this day , The VR is nowhere to be found ....History is his most personal, creative work, he was at his peak as a songwriter on that album , Stranger in moscow is the prime example.....

History covered more important issues , sent more imporant messages , and was recieved more globally....There is no comparsion!

Only michael who create angry political songs yet they sound catchy as hell...........RIP

Dangerous is his most creative work. History is overrated as hell. Songs like History, Money, 2Bad, and Lil Susie are not strong songs and would have never made it as singles.

your opinion, The fact that those songs didn't become singles enhanced what I said , The song does not have to be a single or radio-friendly to be great , A great song is a Great song.....Little susie is a materpiece!

Stranger in moscow alone destroys the whole VR album...Next!

seeingvoices12 said:

aaliyahcashmere89 said:

Dangerous is his most creative work. History is overrated as hell. Songs like History, Money, 2Bad, and Lil Susie are not strong songs and would have never made it as singles.

your opinion, The fact that those songs didn't become singles enhanced what I said , The song does not have to be a single or radio-friendly to be great , A great song is a Great song.....Little susie is a materpiece!

Stranger in moscow alone destroys the whole VR album...Next!

Lil Susie a masterpiece? Really? Wow. Out of all his albums this was his worst and many people I'm sure would agree. I'm surprised it sold so much. I can't even listen to the whole album without laughing. Shaq's rapping was terrible

aaliyahcashmere89 said:

seeingvoices12 said:

your opinion, The fact that those songs didn't become singles enhanced what I said , The song does not have to be a single or radio-friendly to be great , A great song is a Great song.....Little susie is a materpiece!

Stranger in moscow alone destroys the whole VR album...Next!

Lil Susie a masterpiece? Really? Wow. Out of all his albums this was his worst and many people I'm sure would agree. I'm surprised it sold so much. I can't even listen to the whole album without laughing. Shaq's rapping was terrible

BOTDF or Invincible were. But HIStory was great.

smoothcriminal12 said:

aaliyahcashmere89 said:

Lil Susie a masterpiece? Really? Wow. Out of all his albums this was his worst and many people I'm sure would agree. I'm surprised it sold so much. I can't even listen to the whole album without laughing. Shaq's rapping was terrible

BOTDF or Invincible were. But HIStory was great.

Well BOTDF was the worse but songs like BOTDF, Morphine, Ghosts, and Is It Scary are great songs to me and I still enjoy listening to them but the rest of the album is trash

History and Invincible are neck and neck but Invincible is a little better overall.

Invincible had alot of really goods songs and a better flow to it than History. Why it gets over looked I don't know.

aaliyahcashmere89 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

BOTDF or Invincible were. But HIStory was great.

Well BOTDF was the worse but songs like BOTDF, Morphine, Ghosts, and Is It Scary are great songs to me and I still enjoy listening to them but the rest of the album is trash

History and Invincible are neck and neck but Invincible is a little better overall.

Invincible had alot of really goods songs and a better flow to it than History. Why it gets over looked I don't know.

Invincible is a lot better than HIStory, Little Susie and Stranger In Moscow are beautiful songs but some songs would have better off on another album other than HIstory, Velvet Rope has better flow and is an overall better album.

Let's use Prince as an example, I love the song Controversy more than any song on Purple Rain but as a whole, Controversy isn't as good an album as Purple Rain

aaliyahcashmere89 said:

seeingvoices12 said:

your opinion, The fact that those songs didn't become singles enhanced what I said , The song does not have to be a single or radio-friendly to be great , A great song is a Great song.....Little susie is a materpiece!

Stranger in moscow alone destroys the whole VR album...Next!

Lil Susie a masterpiece? Really? Wow. Out of all his albums this was his worst and many people I'm sure would agree. I'm surprised it sold so much. I can't even listen to the whole album without laughing. Shaq's rapping was terrible

Mikes bad / I'm bad / Who are you?

aardvark:

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trueiopian said:

Spoken like a true deluded MJ stan that gets mad when nobody agrees with them.

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lol like damn u so mad. You need to calm down.

Also, not to argue which one is the better album, but you and I both know that album reviews really don't mean a damn thing. How many other great albums suffered from shitty reviews?

When he looks back, the critic sees a eunuch's shadow. Who would be a critic if he could be a writer? Who would hammer out the subtlest insight into Dostoevsky if he could weld an inch of the Karamazovs, or argue the poise of Lawrence if he could shape the free gust of life in The Rainbow?

-George Steiner, "Language and Silence: Essays 1958-1966" (1967)

seeingvoices12 said:

aaliyahcashmere89 said:

Dangerous is his most creative work. History is overrated as hell. Songs like History, Money, 2Bad, and Lil Susie are not strong songs and would have never made it as singles.

your opinion, The fact that those songs didn't become singles enhanced what I said , The song does not have to be a single or radio-friendly to be great , A great song is a Great song.....Little susie is a materpiece!

Stranger in moscow alone destroys the whole VR album...Next!

DAMN!

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I'll never pick Janet over Michael.

paisleypark4 said:

Let's use Prince as an example, I love the song Controversy more than any song on Purple Rain but as a whole, Controversy isn't as good an album as Purple Rain

RIGHT! I like MJ's tunes on HIStory..but album wise Janet wins.

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musicjunky318 said:

I'll never pick Janet over Michael.

They're both better than Shitney. That's for sure.

Unholyalliance said:

trueiopian said:

Spoken like a true deluded MJ stan that gets mad when nobody agrees with them.

lol like damn u so mad. You need to calm down.

Also, not to argue which one is the better album, but you and I both know that album reviews really don't mean a damn thing. How many other great albums suffered from shitty reviews?

When he looks back, the critic sees a eunuch's shadow. Who would be a critic if he could be a writer? Who would hammer out the subtlest insight into Dostoevsky if he could weld an inch of the Karamazovs, or argue the poise of Lawrence if he could shape the free gust of life in The Rainbow?

-George Steiner, "Language and Silence: Essays 1958-1966" (1967)

You can post as many "U Mad" memes as you want but it won't change the FACT that TVR was praised by critics as Janet's most introspective album to date. HIStory on the other hand.... Not so much. Like I said, HIStory has a few great, classics like YANA, Stranger in Moscow and TDRCABU but as a WHOLE album it doesn't compare to TVR.

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seeingvoices12 said:

Globally, and Internationally , People still listen to History Till this day , The VR is nowhere to be found ....History is his most personal, creative work, he was at his peak as a songwriter on that album , Stranger in moscow is the prime example.....

History covered more important issues , sent more imporant messages , and was recieved more globally....There is no comparsion!

Only michael who create angry political songs yet they sound catchy as hell...........RIP

No one is denying that History was a more commercial success than TVR. But ever since Michael's death you even see this pre OTW albums stacked in music stores. So that argument has little value.

It’s really annoying that MJ fans think is music is untouchable and dismiss any comparisons to other work especially to his less popular and successful sister.

Yet TVR was much more favored amongst the critics and was featured in rolling stones top 500 albums of all time where History was nowhere to be seen. And it featured one of the most successful singles in the 90’s.

SUPRMAN said:

mancabdriver said:

I'm a Janet Jackson fan and I am most of the time biased towards her BUT objectively I choose TVR.

Plus I can relate to the album more "everyone has the need to feel special" right? I don't really have problems with the media and my childhood was quite happy.

Give me a break.

D.S is a masterpiece and you are not alone is so sexy and genuine - i play it eveytime I have sex.

When are these fucking Jackson flame wars gonna stop? I swear some of y'all just love the attention.

mancabdriver said:

seeingvoices12 said:

Globally, and Internationally , People still listen to History Till this day , The VR is nowhere to be found ....History is his most personal, creative work, he was at his peak as a songwriter on that album , Stranger in moscow is the prime example.....

History covered more important issues , sent more imporant messages , and was recieved more globally....There is no comparsion!

Only michael who create angry political songs yet they sound catchy as hell...........RIP

No one is denying that History was a more commercial success than TVR. But ever since Michael's death you even see this pre OTW albums stacked in music stores. So that argument has little value.

It’s really annoying that MJ fans think is music is untouchable and dismiss any comparisons to other work especially to his less popular and successful sister.

Yet TVR was much more favored amongst the critics and was featured in rolling stones top 500 albums of all time where History was nowhere to be seen. And it featured one of the most successful singles in the 90’s.

History destroys the TVR in every aspect , not only the commercial success but the artistic value , and the longevity, as I said , The VR is nowhere to be found or heard across the globe while people still listen to " They Don't care about us " and "earth song" till this day , songs on history are pure classics and timeless , that album will live forever but TRV is dead already! It's only alive among some die hard fans !

So the comparsion is Irrelevant! History is a pure art!

Timmy84 said:

When are these fucking Jackson flame wars gonna stop? I swear some of y'all just love the attention.

It's not that serious

seeingvoices12 said:

mancabdriver said:

No one is denying that History was a more commercial success than TVR. But ever since Michael's death you even see this pre OTW albums stacked in music stores. So that argument has little value.

It’s really annoying that MJ fans think is music is untouchable and dismiss any comparisons to other work especially to his less popular and successful sister.

Yet TVR was much more favored amongst the critics and was featured in rolling stones top 500 albums of all time where History was nowhere to be seen. And it featured one of the most successful singles in the 90’s.

History destroys the TVR in every aspect , not only the commercial success but the artistic value , and the longevity, as I said , The VR is nowhere to be found or heard across the globe while people still listen to " They Don't care about us " and "earth song" till this day , songs on history are pure classics and timeless , that album will live forever but TRV is dead already! It's only alive among some die hard fans !

So the comparsion is Irrelevant! History is a pure art!

A typical die hard Michael fan response.

one dimentional and repetitive - pretty much like the album it's self don't you think?

trueiopian said:

mjscarousal said:

You talking about somebody acting like a MJ stan but you talking like a derange psycho path:-? Its really not that serious and even the people who prefer the VR admit that it is no where on the artistic production level of History objectively. If you disagree then you need to lay off the crack. Nobody came in here and bashed VR. They are both great albums.

And to answer your question.. While Invincible is not MJs best work it SURE AS HELL is better than that junk All 4 U.. you need to stop talking crazy now.

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No one was even talking to you. and you're def. not one to speak on anyone being derange or crazy. Your posts says it all - you think everyone sucks and MJ is flawless. And LMFAO at HIStory being a better artistic production than TVR. Thanks for the laugh.

and I hope for your sake that your last sentence was just a joke. Invincible is a terrible album. Rolling Stone ranked that album one star and critics trashed it. AFY received better reviews and garnered more hits.

Wait wait , your excuses to back up what you are saying are really weak and flawed , Rolling stones and critics ....fuck both of them , they know nothing about music , and by the way , the critics started to backpedel on what they said about the Invincible album once Mj died, they have never been objective about the man.....

what the critics say is not important really , how is the album is going to stand the test of time is the real deal , MJ albums will live forever!

mancabdriver said:

seeingvoices12 said:

History destroys the TVR in every aspect , not only the commercial success but the artistic value , and the longevity, as I said , The VR is nowhere to be found or heard across the globe while people still listen to " They Don't care about us " and "earth song" till this day , songs on history are pure classics and timeless , that album will live forever but TRV is dead already! It's only alive among some die hard fans !

So the comparsion is Irrelevant! History is a pure art!

A typical die hard Michael fan response.

one dimentional and repetitive - pretty much like the album it's self don't you think?

Weird response really or you don't know what you want to say , it's alright , I'm waiting for a real response

trueiopian said:

TVR was praised by critics as Janet's most introspective album to date.

You are right about that, but at least your posts don't seem as if they are being posted by a raving lunatic anymore.

As for both albums, I rather enjoy them both, but there's just too many interludes on TVR. That gets annoying real fast. That being said, I think that, sonically, TVR is way more cohesive, but the better and more memorable songs are on HIStory. I do agree that while they are all over the place sonically, but I understand why they were in the order that they were in though. It was like a journey as opposed to just arbitrarily placing songs on an album.

As for critics, these were the same people who also give Thriller not such great reviews and then revised them later. I mean...so what?

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seeingvoices12 said:

Timmy84 said:

When are these fucking Jackson flame wars gonna stop? I swear some of y'all just love the attention.

It's not that serious

^^^ Seriously! What does Janet have to do with MJ?!!! There was never any competition between the two of them in all the decades that I listened to BOTH of their music--so why is there one now?!!

purplethunder3121 said:

seeingvoices12 said:

It's not that serious

^^^ Seriously! What does Janet have to do with MJ?!!! There was never any competition between the two of them in all the decades that I listened to BOTH of their music--so why is there one now?!!

I don't know really ! These debates are harmless tho, it's not that serious and it's fun , at the end , they loved eachother very much , you know....no matter what stans said from both sides , they can never break the bond between them..........

seeingvoices12 said:

trueiopian said:

No one was even talking to you. and you're def. not one to speak on anyone being derange or crazy. Your posts says it all - you think everyone sucks and MJ is flawless. And LMFAO at HIStory being a better artistic production than TVR. Thanks for the laugh.

and I hope for your sake that your last sentence was just a joke. Invincible is a terrible album. Rolling Stone ranked that album one star and critics trashed it. AFY received better reviews and garnered more hits.

Wait wait , your excuses to back up what you are saying are really weak and flawed , Rolling stones and critics ....fuck both of them , they know nothing about music , and by the way , the critics started to backpedel on what they said about the Invincible album once Mj died, they have never been objective about the man.....

what the critics say is not important really , how is the album is going to stand the test of time is the real deal , MJ albums will live forever!

Wait, wait, have a seat. It's not weak or flawed.

I'm backing it up with not just my opinion but with critics too. Fuck them? Why? Because they said Invincible is a mess?

trueiopian said:

seeingvoices12 said:

Wait wait , your excuses to back up what you are saying are really weak and flawed , Rolling stones and critics ....fuck both of them , they know nothing about music , and by the way , the critics started to backpedel on what they said about the Invincible album once Mj died, they have never been objective about the man.....

what the critics say is not important really , how is the album is going to stand the test of time is the real deal , MJ albums will live forever!

Wait, wait, have a seat. It's not weak or flawed.

I'm backing it up with not just my opinion but with critics too. Fuck them? Why? Because they said Invincible is a mess?

Rolling stone would give a beatles album 5 stars even if it was completely silent the whole album

Unholyalliance said:

trueiopian said:

TVR was praised by critics as Janet's most introspective album to date.

You are right about that, but at least your posts don't seem as if they are being posted by a raving lunatic anymore.

As for both albums, I rather enjoy them both, but there's just too many interludes on TVR. That gets annoying real fast. That being said, I think that, sonically, TVR is way more cohesive, but the better and more memorable songs are on HIStory. I do agree that while they are all over the place sonically, but I understand why they were in the order that they were in though. It was like a journey as opposed to just arbitrarily placing songs on an album.

As for critics, these were the same people who also give Thriller not such great reviews and then revised them later. I mean...so what?

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I can't say the same about your posts.

Of course, HIStory has more memorable songs - It was more popular and successful. I never denied that. But as a whole album? I prefer TVR because it flows better.

aardvark15 said:

trueiopian said:

Wait, wait, have a seat. It's not weak or flawed.

I'm backing it up with not just my opinion but with critics too. Fuck them? Why? Because they said Invincible is a mess?

Rolling stone would give a beatles album 5 stars even if it was completely silent the whole album

This is about MJ, not the Beatles.

Overall History has more dated songs, then velvet rope. I also think History has A LOT of filler songs. History is MJ's worst album IMO but even his worst is still great.

This whole discussion is based on personal opinion. I don't think anyone is wrong or right for choosing MJ or JJ. You win either way