Timmy84 said:

paisleypark4 said:

I almost forgot how unfortunate the original Invincible album was....I have been playing a different version of that album for almost 10 years now.. w/o 2000 Watts, Cry and The Lost Children.

I plan to make my own mix. IMHO his heart was at the right place with The Lost Children. I've warmed up to the song a bit but I still don't think that (or the other songs you listed) fit the theme of Invincible. To me, that seemed to be the only post-Motown album of Michael's solo career in which it was an album of "good songs" rather than a more cohesive effort. You knew the stories behind OTW, Thriller, Bad, Dangerous and HIStory for example.

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And what stories?

SUPRMAN said:

Timmy84 said:

Invincible is a good album but is not no Off the Wall. And Bad is definitely up there. Michael was on an emotional high when he did that particular album (and Dangerous).

'HIStory' and 'Dangerous' are Mike's two best to me. On both he is miles in front of 'Off the Wall.'

'Off the Wall' was big when it landed but Mike went on to bigger and better things.

I like 'Invincible' because it reminds me of 'Off the Wall. '

yeah I do enjoy playing Invincible alongside his late 70's/early 80's work

Bad and Dangerous are my two favourite solo albums

TVR is a way better album.

HIStory lacks the cohesiveness TVR has. Sure HIStory has some of MJ's best songs ever - TDRCAU, Stranger in Moscow and YANA. But there are a few dated, corny ass songs on that album. I can't even give a listen from beginning to end without skipping songs. TVR on the other hand is easy to listen to from beginning to end. But we can all agree that TVR is Janet's last great album and HIStory is MJ's last good album.

I think out of Janet's albums, Velvet Rope has aged the best. I love them all for what they are, but this one is timeless.

Although MJ's albums has sounds from their times too, they have fit in so well into each music era after IMO, for the most part. It's funny to me how even though RN and Dangerous have New Jack Swings and some fans have said there are similarities between the two, I think Dangerous has aged better. I love RN start to finish and think it's her best album ever, but not a timeless one like VR.

For those people arguing that Come Together broke the cohesiveness of HIStory, I hate to say it but I feel the same way about Tonight's The Night on TVR. It just kind of brought TVR to a grinding halt for me.

SUPRMAN said:

Timmy84 said:

I plan to make my own mix. IMHO his heart was at the right place with The Lost Children. I've warmed up to the song a bit but I still don't think that (or the other songs you listed) fit the theme of Invincible. To me, that seemed to be the only post-Motown album of Michael's solo career in which it was an album of "good songs" rather than a more cohesive effort. You knew the stories behind OTW, Thriller, Bad, Dangerous and HIStory for example.

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And what stories?

Well if you're not expecting to learn why, why should I tell ya? Believe what you want lol

Swa said:

For those people arguing that Come Together broke the cohesiveness of HIStory, I hate to say it but I feel the same way about Tonight's The Night on TVR. It just kind of brought TVR to a grinding halt for me.

I about said the same thing.

I sometimes thought the interludes on VR did that, but yeah I agree it was Tonight's the Night or Anything that didn't do much for me although they still support the sound of the album.

Timmy84 said:

SUPRMAN said:

?

And what stories?

Well if you're not expecting to learn why, why should I tell ya? Believe what you want lol

I asked because I was interested in learning.

trueiopian said:

TVR is a way better album.

HIStory lacks the cohesiveness TVR has. Sure HIStory has some of MJ's best songs ever - TDRCAU, Stranger in Moscow and YANA. But there are a few dated, corny ass songs on that album. I can't even give a listen from beginning to end without skipping songs. TVR on the other hand is easy to listen to from beginning to end. But we can all agree that TVR is Janet's last great album and HIStory is MJ's last good album.

D.S., Come Together, and that long intro on the title track weighs HIStory down

VR, The interludes weigh it down just like I think the interludes on Janet. weigh that album down

trueiopian said:

TVR is a way better album.

HIStory lacks the cohesiveness TVR has. Sure HIStory has some of MJ's best songs ever - TDRCAU, Stranger in Moscow and YANA. But there are a few dated, corny ass songs on that album. I can't even give a listen from beginning to end without skipping songs. TVR on the other hand is easy to listen to from beginning to end. But we can all agree that TVR is Janet's last great album and HIStory is MJ's last good album.

You are also Janet Jackson's biggest stan on this forum, because there is just no way you can even say something like that otherwise. One of the biggest annoyances on JJ's albums are those stupid interludes of her laughing, talking, or some other dumb nonsense. Even when my playlist is on shuffle all that mainly plays are those silly interludes. Even if you don't like all the songs on HIStory, at least there's actual songs taking up space on the album rather than Michael inserting some interlude about him throwing his back out when he was with LiMP one night or whatever.

bboy87 said:

trueiopian said:

TVR is a way better album.

HIStory lacks the cohesiveness TVR has. Sure HIStory has some of MJ's best songs ever - TDRCAU, Stranger in Moscow and YANA. But there are a few dated, corny ass songs on that album. I can't even give a listen from beginning to end without skipping songs. TVR on the other hand is easy to listen to from beginning to end. But we can all agree that TVR is Janet's last great album and HIStory is MJ's last good album.

D.S., Come Together, and that long intro on the title track weighs HIStory down

VR, The interludes weigh it down just like I think the interludes on Janet. weigh that album down

OH MY GOD I AGREE ABOUT THE INTERLUDES ON JANET. Well least the ones that lasted a fucking millisecond! Interludes like "Back" or "Go On Miss Janet" was real unneccesary. The only interlude on that one I actually LOVED was "Morning".

Unholyalliance said:

trueiopian said:

TVR is a way better album.

HIStory lacks the cohesiveness TVR has. Sure HIStory has some of MJ's best songs ever - TDRCAU, Stranger in Moscow and YANA. But there are a few dated, corny ass songs on that album. I can't even give a listen from beginning to end without skipping songs. TVR on the other hand is easy to listen to from beginning to end. But we can all agree that TVR is Janet's last great album and HIStory is MJ's last good album.

You are also Janet Jackson's biggest stan on this forum, because there is just no way you can even say something like that otherwise. One of the biggest annoyances on JJ's albums are those stupid interludes of her laughing, talking, or some other dumb nonsense. Even when my playlist is on shuffle all that mainly plays are those silly interludes. Even if you don't like all the songs on HIStory, at least there's actual songs taking up space on the album rather than Michael inserting some interlude about him throwing his back out when he was with LiMP one night or whatever.

I'm not a Janet stan, you idiot! Like I said, TVR is easy to listen to from beginning to end and you will DEAL WITH IT. Nobody gives a fuck if you find her interludes stupid or annoying. Her interludes actually worked on Rhythm Nation and TVR but on the other albums they were useless.

TVR >>>>>>> HIStory

Now STFU and sit down.

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History wins, never been too fond of Janet...

I don't think I mentioned that the paranoia theme in a lot of MJ's music, HIStory included, is something I've always been fascinated by, cause I consider myself paranoid and overly cautious to a fault. I ended up writing something and realized the theme could fit on an album like Dangerous or HIStory easily, about a backstabber.

Timmy84 said:

Swa said:

For those people arguing that Come Together broke the cohesiveness of HIStory, I hate to say it but I feel the same way about Tonight's The Night on TVR. It just kind of brought TVR to a grinding halt for me.

I about said the same thing.

trueiopian said:

I'm not a Janet stan, you idiot! Like I said, TVR is easy to listen to from beginning to end and you will DEAL WITH IT. Nobody gives a fuck if you find her interludes stupid or annoying. Her interludes actually worked on Rhythm Nation and TVR but on the other albums they were useless.

TVR >>>>>>> HIStory

Now STFU and sit down.

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Spoken like a true stan.

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trueiopian said:

Unholyalliance said:

You are also Janet Jackson's biggest stan on this forum, because there is just no way you can even say something like that otherwise. One of the biggest annoyances on JJ's albums are those stupid interludes of her laughing, talking, or some other dumb nonsense. Even when my playlist is on shuffle all that mainly plays are those silly interludes. Even if you don't like all the songs on HIStory, at least there's actual songs taking up space on the album rather than Michael inserting some interlude about him throwing his back out when he was with LiMP one night or whatever.

I'm not a Janet stan, you idiot! Like I said, TVR is easy to listen to from beginning to end and you will DEAL WITH IT. Nobody gives a fuck if you find her interludes stupid or annoying. Her interludes actually worked on Rhythm Nation and TVR but on the other albums they were useless.

TVR >>>>>>> HIStory

Now STFU and sit down.

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Yes, you're a stan. Ain't nothin to be mad about. I'm proud of my inner Mike stan.

Proud to be a MJ stan

Unholyalliance said:

trueiopian said:

I'm not a Janet stan, you idiot! Like I said, TVR is easy to listen to from beginning to end and you will DEAL WITH IT. Nobody gives a fuck if you find her interludes stupid or annoying. Her interludes actually worked on Rhythm Nation and TVR but on the other albums they were useless.

TVR >>>>>>> HIStory

Now STFU and sit down.

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Spoken like a true stan.

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Spoken like a true deluded MJ stan that gets mad when nobody agrees with them.

HIStory is trash and the critics agree that TVR is better.

smoothcriminal12 said:

trueiopian said:

I'm not a Janet stan, you idiot! Like I said, TVR is easy to listen to from beginning to end and you will DEAL WITH IT. Nobody gives a fuck if you find her interludes stupid or annoying. Her interludes actually worked on Rhythm Nation and TVR but on the other albums they were useless.

TVR >>>>>>> HIStory

Now STFU and sit down.

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Yes, you're a stan. Ain't nothin to be mad about. I'm proud of my inner Mike stan.

No, I'm not. But then again, anyone that thinks an album like HIStory is better TVR is clearly delusional and most likely a pressed MJ stan. Let me guess you think Invincible is better than All for You too.

trueiopian said:

Unholyalliance said:

Yes, you're a stan. Ain't nothin to be mad about. I'm proud of my inner Mike stan.

No, I'm not. But then again, anyone that thinks an album like HIStory is better TVR is clearly delusional and most likely a pressed MJ stan. Let me guess you think Invincible is better than All for You too.

Oh admit it. You know you are an inner Janet stan if you go through so much just to bash Michael and his stans who have done nothing to you. It's alright. We're all stans on the inside.

Funny that you think that anyone with a different opinion than yours is somehow delusional. That's just wrong.

smoothcriminal12 said:

trueiopian said:

No, I'm not. But then again, anyone that thinks an album like HIStory is better TVR is clearly delusional and most likely a pressed MJ stan. Let me guess you think Invincible is better than All for You too.

Oh admit it. You know you are an inner Janet stan if you go through so much just to bash Michael and his stans who have done nothing to you. It's alright. We're all stans on the inside.

Funny that you think that anyone with a different opinion than yours is somehow delusional. That's just wrong.

There's nothing to admit because I'm not a Janet stan. Like the childish MJ stan that you are you ASSumed I am because I said that TVR is better than HIStory. Now like a typical MJ stan you're trying to make MJ out to be a victim.

Funny how you think anyone that doesn't prefer MJ over anyone else is a stan of other artists. That's just stupid.

trueiopian said:

Unholyalliance said:

Yes, you're a stan. Ain't nothin to be mad about. I'm proud of my inner Mike stan.

No, I'm not. But then again, anyone that thinks an album like HIStory is better TVR is clearly delusional and most likely a pressed MJ stan. Let me guess you think Invincible is better than All for You too.

You talking about somebody acting like a MJ stan but you talking like a derange psycho path:-? Its really not that serious and even the people who prefer the VR admit that it is no where on the artistic production level of History objectively. If you disagree then you need to lay off the crack. Nobody came in here and bashed VR. They are both great albums.

And to answer your question.. While Invincible is not MJs best work it SURE AS HELL is better than that junk All 4 U.. you need to stop talking crazy now.

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trueiopian said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Oh admit it. You know you are an inner Janet stan if you go through so much just to bash Michael and his stans who have done nothing to you. It's alright. We're all stans on the inside.

Funny that you think that anyone with a different opinion than yours is somehow delusional. That's just wrong.

There's nothing to admit because I'm not a Janet stan. Like the childish MJ stan that you are you ASSumed I am because I said that TVR is better than HIStory. Now like a typical MJ stan you're trying to make MJ out to be a victim.

Funny how you think anyone that doesn't prefer MJ over anyone else is a stan of other artists. That's just stupid.

Who's making Mike out to be the victim here? Nobody is. LOL. I didn't call you a stan just based on that post, TRUST ME. There've been many others.

I called you a stan and suddenly you act like it's an insult. Lol. It's a stupid internet meme, stop taking so much offense to it.

mjscarousal said:

trueiopian said:

No, I'm not. But then again, anyone that thinks an album like HIStory is better TVR is clearly delusional and most likely a pressed MJ stan. Let me guess you think Invincible is better than All for You too.

You talking about somebody acting like a MJ stan but you talking like a derange psycho path:-? Its really not that serious and even the people who prefer the VR admit that it is no where on the artistic production level of History objectively. If you disagree then you need to lay off the crack. Nobody came in here and bashed VR. They are both great albums.

And to answer your question.. While Invincible is not MJs best work it SURE AS HELL is better than that junk All 4 U.. you need to stop talking crazy now.

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No one was even talking to you. and you're def. not one to speak on anyone being derange or crazy. Your posts says it all - you think everyone sucks and MJ is flawless. And LMFAO at HIStory being a better artistic production than TVR. Thanks for the laugh.

and I hope for your sake that your last sentence was just a joke. Invincible is a terrible album. Rolling Stone ranked that album one star and critics trashed it. AFY received better reviews and garnered more hits.

smoothcriminal12 said:

trueiopian said:

There's nothing to admit because I'm not a Janet stan. Like the childish MJ stan that you are you ASSumed I am because I said that TVR is better than HIStory. Now like a typical MJ stan you're trying to make MJ out to be a victim.

Funny how you think anyone that doesn't prefer MJ over anyone else is a stan of other artists. That's just stupid.

Who's making Mike out to be the victim here? Nobody is. LOL. I didn't call you a stan just based on that post, TRUST ME. There've been many others.

I called you a stan and suddenly you act like it's an insult. Lol. It's a stupid internet meme, stop taking so much offense to it.

Stop. You said - if you go through so much just to bash Michael.

You called me a "stan" because I said TVR is a better album. Admit it. If I said HIStory > TVR you wouldn't have said shit. It's a stupid meme that people use when others don't think their faves are better. You're doing just that.

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trueiopian said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Who's making Mike out to be the victim here? Nobody is. LOL. I didn't call you a stan just based on that post, TRUST ME. There've been many others.

I called you a stan and suddenly you act like it's an insult. Lol. It's a stupid internet meme, stop taking so much offense to it.

Stop. You said - if you go through so much just to bash Michael.

That still doesn't make him a victim.

You called me a "stan" because I said TVR is a better album. Admit it. If I said HIStory > TVR you wouldn't have said shit. It's a stupid meme that people use when others don't think their faves are better. You're doing just that.

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That's not why I called you a stan. I've seen other posts made by you. It's not even about how you bashed HIStory, I don't care about that. It's about how you went on to call everybody else delusional because of their opinions.

You put to much meaning into the word stan. This has nothing to do with faves, you just seem to be taking it way too far.

To be honest The Velvet Rope is better than History. History really isn't that great of an album. The only strong songs are Scream, They Don't Care About Us, This Time Around, Earth Song, You Are Not Alone, and Stranger in Moscow. Other than that the album is weak. Janet's album is strong from start to finish

smoothcriminal12 said:

trueiopian said:

Stop. You said - if you go through so much just to bash Michael.

That still doesn't make him a victim.

You called me a "stan" because I said TVR is a better album. Admit it. If I said HIStory > TVR you wouldn't have said shit. It's a stupid meme that people use when others don't think their faves are better. You're doing just that.

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That's not why I called you a stan. I've seen other posts made by you. It's not even about how you bashed HIStory, I don't care about that. It's about how you went on to call everybody else delusional because of their opinions.

You put to much meaning into the word stan. This has nothing to do with faves, you just seem to be taking it way too far.

Yes, it is. Just admit it. If I said HIStory is a better album you wouldn't have said a thing and I didn't bash HIStory! I said that it lacks cohesiveness that TVR has. I letter called you delusional because you're acting like it but my previous post in here (before the crazed MJ stans hopped on it) didn't indicate that.

Too much meaning? Perhaps next time you should learn to not use that word as a retort. It's stupid. If you didn't like my post you could've responded with a proper response and it would've been a decent debate but you decided to come at me the wrong way just like your other two buddies.

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trueiopian said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

That's not why I called you a stan. I've seen other posts made by you. It's not even about how you bashed HIStory, I don't care about that. It's about how you went on to call everybody else delusional because of their opinions.

You put to much meaning into the word stan. This has nothing to do with faves, you just seem to be taking it way too far.

Yes, it is. Just admit it. If I said HIStory is a better album you wouldn't have said a thing and I didn't bash HIStory! I said that it lacks cohesiveness that TVR has. I letter called you delusional because you're acting like it but my previous post in here (before the crazed MJ stans hopped on it) didn't indicate that.

It ain't just because of that but I ain't gonna continue to fight you on this.

Too much meaning? Perhaps next time you should learn to not use that word as a retort. It's stupid. If you didn't like my post you could've responded with a proper response and it would've been a decent debate but you decided to come at me the wrong way just like your other two buddies.

If you really don't like that word then I'll apologize but I never meant to make this a debate. It wasn't even supposed to be serious.

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