alphastreet said:

purplethunder3121 said:

^^^ I have read some of your posts about struggling with MJ's death and I think you are doing just fine. If you can listen to his music again, smile, and feel joy in it, then you have come a long way. I still don't watch the videos but I am okay--better than okay--listening to his music again now. I can go back to hearing it the way I did when I was care-free and remembering when Michael was, too. But seeing Janet perform helped me--and I truly think that when she performs, it also helps her come to terms with her brother's death. I have had several family members pass in the last few years, so in a strange way, seeing Janet perform allowed me to release MJ and my own family members... People deal with grief on many levels, but music helps me, as well as many others, to heal and go on... Janet is full of life, hope, and inspiring people...which, in turn, inspires me.

Aw thanks, I'm glad you understand, though I'm also aware that I got too attached to him for years, like obsessed because of running away from my own stress and using him as escapism and feel mad at myself cause I have an addictive personality and that's why I'm struggling with the grief for so long, I couldn't cry it out all at once and before it happened, I was already struggling mentally anyways and dealing with another crisis, with this being the last straw, so it's still sinking in. I also feel guilt for my feelings, especially if I start acting irrational with them out of love.

You are doing just fine...you have come a long way in dealing with your feelings. You have done well and I can tell that you are using your own logic to deal with "irrationalities." Feel good that you have come so far...that you can actually enjoy MJ's music without personally identifying him and the music so much with your own life and path... Don't feel guilty...but it is healthy to direct your love of music toward other artists...and Janet has many good songs (Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis!) to listen to and feel good to...

Are you kidding me? I think I'm MJ all the time Well I did. It's just too painful to do now. For years I used to wear clothes inspired by his style so much(others inspirations too like Janet or J Lo or Beyonce) and though I still do, I look more like me, and it hurt like hell too cause I have pale skin with big dark eyes and dark wavy hair, and used to be softspoken and shy though now I'm such a meanie (lol) and people would jokingly call me michael cause I would dance to him at school or wherever or randomly show up in a studded belt hehe and a lot of them messaged or phoned me when he died :*( I always loved music, but he inspired a spark in me that made me want to give it my all and I was so inspired to sing, dance and write and did things on the side for years, and you know what? When he died, I wrote songs about missing him and that's it, I don't feel passionate anymore about doing anything. I developed stage fright and can't sing well anymore or with excitement, and when I dance, it does not feel exciting. You see, I used to feel like the more I did that stuff, the closer I was getting to someday making it big or at least meeting him. I would look in the mirror and just start crying so much. I seriously lived viraculously through him and have to stop it, I've known this forever. Not stopping being a fan, but to just not be unhealthy anymore with it.

Though he's done so much for me from afar with being an inspiration and I could relate so much to his messages, I really have to learn to balance it out with relating to him and myself , though I also think we had a lot in common, based on what we know. And I know this sounds really greedy and selfish, but I was under stress for over half my life and dreaming of meeting mj someday was my high and my drug, it sounds so messed up and I was brutally beating myself up for feeling all this, before and after his death, but it is what it is and I learned from it. Of course when he died, this didn't matter, but as time wore on, it was getting worse. And I've learned now that I'm just a type of person that chases anything that gives me mania or a rush or high and MJ was that for me, I also recognize that things like spending or drinking too much caffiennated drinks or staying up at very odd hours for the sake of writing music gives me the same high. I find it so cute too how Peter Pan was my favourite story as a kid and I loved number 7 before I knew these things about MJ, and how I was 7 when I liked it. And I have so many mj coincidences and things like that too that made being a fan so much deeper, that I felt as though he was put here to inspire those who were willing to give him a chance.

About relating to HIStory, maybe I related more to it before cause of feeling victimzed by playground teasing or just always being the black sheep and being attracted to MJ subconciously because of what he goes through in addition to the music, but we are all individuals with our own histories, and I wrote my own stuff of my own struggles. Women's oppression interests me for example, so that's a theme someone like myself or Janet can explore that MJ hasn't though he did that with child abuse with Little Susie and I applaud him for it.

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alphastreet said:

Are you kidding me? I think I'm MJ all the time Well I did. It's just too painful to do now. For years I used to wear clothes inspired by his style so much(others inspirations too like Janet or J Lo or Beyonce) and though I still do, I look more like me, and it hurt like hell too cause I have pale skin with big dark eyes and dark wavy hair, and used to be softspoken and shy though now I'm such a meanie (lol) and people would jokingly call me michael cause I would dance to him at school or wherever or randomly show up in a studded belt hehe and a lot of them messaged or phoned me when he died :*( I always loved music, but he inspired a spark in me that made me want to give it my all and I was so inspired to sing, dance and write and did things on the side for years, and you know what? When he died, I wrote songs about missing him and that's it, I don't feel passionate anymore about doing anything. I developed stage fright and can't sing well anymore or with excitement, and when I dance, it does not feel exciting. You see, I used to feel like the more I did that stuff, the closer I was getting to someday making it big or at least meeting him. I would look in the mirror and just start crying so much. I seriously lived viraculously through him and have to stop it, I've known this forever. Not stopping being a fan, but to just not be unhealthy anymore with it.

Though he's done so much for me from afar with being an inspiration and I could relate so much to his messages, I really have to learn to balance it out with relating to him and myself , though I also think we had a lot in common, based on what we know. And I know this sounds really greedy and selfish, but I was under stress for over half my life and dreaming of meeting mj someday was my high and my drug, it sounds so messed up and I was brutally beating myself up for feeling all this, before and after his death, but it is what it is and I learned from it. Of course when he died, this didn't matter, but as time wore on, it was getting worse. And I've learned now that I'm just a type of person that chases anything that gives me mania or a rush or high and MJ was that for me, I also recognize that things like spending or drinking too much caffiennated drinks or staying up at very odd hours for the sake of writing music gives me the same high. I find it so cute too how Peter Pan was my favourite story as a kid and I loved number 7 before I knew these things about MJ, and how I was 7 when I liked it. And I have so many mj coincidences and things like that too that made being a fan so much deeper, that I felt as though he was put here to inspire those who were willing to give him a chance.

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^^^ What you just said about recognizing that you go overboard on being passionate about MJ as well as other things and learning how to MANAGE that passion means that you have come a long way. Best wishes to you! I hope you find a way to direct that love of creativity truly for yourself and continue in your efforts--whatever you will create will be beautiful and YOUR OWN!

Yeah my problem is I talk more than I act I know all this and still let emotions take over the logic. And then I let resentment buildup too though I know it's no different from banging my head on a brick wall and the only person getting hurt is myself. And I hated how I was thinking about all the allegations stuff for ages too after he died and not the good feelings much and really really beating myself up, cause that's not what he means to me and did not know why my mind was filtering out what I love about him. I began to believe I had a split personality or thought maybe I didn't care about him all along, but why would I still be so sad 2 years later? Why would I write songs and poems about him after having writers block for half a decade? It's love, and it hurts like hell. I don't know the dude personally, but I was afraid of getting hurt in real life cause no relationship was working out and neither did my parents, he was the only one who couldn't hurt me, and yet everything he went through hurt me like hell. I cried so much during that trial and prayed for him so hard to be okay and after it I burnt out. But yeah, back to what I originally said, it was a defense mechanism and I even learned from a textbook and websites about grief that I was doing reading on to understand myself that even when people those they love to terminal illnesses or whatnot, they can't help but think of the time they were ill and wanting so bad to remember them for who they were as people and before the illness....and in regards to MJ, 1993 to 2005 was like a cancer to him and his family, and very hard for his defenders too, especially those that were too hypersensitive like myself, and 2009 was like a remission or redemption, our generation was finally going to get to see him do what he does best and my dream was going to come true with those show tickets I had and then suddenly being gone, it was a shock. I want so bad to remember him how I did when getting so high off him and though I still do, I just have to reshape how it happens and create new experiences and memories around his music the way they were happening before death too. I wasn't even excited when I got MJ experience and my sis was ecstatic though I wasn't rushing to play, that would have NOT happened years ago at all and I don't like him less, I think maybe I'm just getting subtle and old, but the minute she put it on, I was on my feet and hyper, just need to push myself and not be depressed.

alphastreet said:

Yeah my problem is I talk more than I act I know all this and still let emotions take over the logic. And then I let resentment buildup too though I know it's no different from banging my head on a brick wall and the only person getting hurt is myself. And I hated how I was thinking about all the allegations stuff for ages too after he died and not the good feelings much and really really beating myself up, cause that's not what he means to me and did not know why my mind was filtering out what I love about him. I began to believe I had a split personality or thought maybe I didn't care about him all along, but why would I still be so sad 2 years later? Why would I write songs and poems about him after having writers block for half a decade? It's love, and it hurts like hell. I don't know the dude personally, but I was afraid of getting hurt in real life cause no relationship was working out and neither did my parents, he was the only one who couldn't hurt me, and yet everything he went through hurt me like hell. I cried so much during that trial and prayed for him so hard to be okay and after it I burnt out. But yeah, back to what I originally said, it was a defense mechanism and I even learned from a textbook and websites about grief that I was doing reading on to understand myself that even when people those they love to terminal illnesses or whatnot, they can't help but think of the time they were ill and wanting so bad to remember them for who they were as people and before the illness....and in regards to MJ, 1993 to 2005 was like a cancer to him and his family, and very hard for his defenders too, especially those that were too hypersensitive like myself, and 2009 was like a remission or redemption, our generation was finally going to get to see him do what he does best and my dream was going to come true with those show tickets I had and then suddenly being gone, it was a shock. I want so bad to remember him how I did when getting so high off him and though I still do, I just have to reshape how it happens and create new experiences and memories around his music the way they were happening before death too. I wasn't even excited when I got MJ experience and my sis was ecstatic though I wasn't rushing to play, that would have NOT happened years ago at all and I don't like him less, I think maybe I'm just getting subtle and old, but the minute she put it on, I was on my feet and hyper, just need to push myself and not be depressed.

^^^ You are EXACTLY describing the coping and management process of grief and dealing with any emotional issues very well. I think you are doing great. Dealing with a musical icon can be, as you stated, a "defense mechanism" or a substitute as a target for what is going on in our personal lives. But you are doing fine--that doesn't mean that you won't experience more highs and lows, but you are learning how to rope in and manage those feelings. Most importantly, you have incorporated the trite but wise saying--"This, too, shall pass." It took me many years to take that to heart...and sometimes I still have to work on it! A sense of humor, which you defintely possess, really helps in the long run, as well as a belief that there is something beyond this existence. Anyway, I am getting too philosphical, which is not like me on the Org. I truly wish you the best and if you need to talk to a stranger, org note me.

In the meantime, back to the MUSIC!!!

I love philosophical you And philosophical Janet, which was all over RN and VR IMO. I seriously wanted to be like that and as a result, it took me longer to relate to sexual Janet, though I'm sooo glad I do I remember being so young and taking the term "rope burn" so literally , not knowing what it was....and nowadays kids younger than I was during VR know what S&M is when I didn't have a clue!

alphastreet said:

I love philosophical you And philosophical Janet, which was all over RN and VR IMO. I seriously wanted to be like that and as a result, it took me longer to relate to sexual Janet, though I'm sooo glad I do I remember being so young and taking the term "rope burn" so literally , not knowing what it was....and nowadays kids younger than I was during VR know what S&M is when I didn't have a clue!

Orgnote me tomorrow and we can continue this conversation! It is actually very interesting to me! In the meantime, I gotta hit the sack. Have a good evening and have sweet music dreams!

purplethunder3121 said:

alphastreet said:

I love philosophical you And philosophical Janet, which was all over RN and VR IMO. I seriously wanted to be like that and as a result, it took me longer to relate to sexual Janet, though I'm sooo glad I do I remember being so young and taking the term "rope burn" so literally , not knowing what it was....and nowadays kids younger than I was during VR know what S&M is when I didn't have a clue!

Orgnote me tomorrow and we can continue this conversation! It is actually very interesting to me! In the meantime, I gotta hit the sack. Have a good evening and have sweet music dreams!

LMAO orged you...I still can't believe how silly I was with the whole rope burn thing, but then it allll made sense in concert

Timmy84 said:

Back when I was a kid I used to not like certain songs - LIKE "Childhood". But now as I'm listening to it, I don't know why I thought it sucked. This is actually a very touching song. And I love the strings in it.

It's truly stunning

I was neutral about song when I first heard it, but it really grabbed me in 2000, and I love how it was used at the world music awards that year when they made the MJ montage to it

SUPRMAN said:

chamber said:

I guess TVR, but I wouldn't call either 'great.' Michael's best was Off the Wall; Janet's best was Rhythm Nation.

I got tired of hearing MJ bitch and grunt on HIStory; the only song I really like is "You Are Not Alone." Beyond that it's a never-ending stream of angry, embittered lyrics over a bunch of weird, noisy sounds. He should have trimmed his anger at the LAPD and the tabloid media to no more than three songs. And his old ass cover of "Come Together" was an extremely tacky add on.

As for TVR, the *concept* is better than the actual album. I respect what it wanted to do more than what it actually did. It was way too schizophrenic: one minute she's happy and wanting to dance...then she's introspective...then she's wanting to have sex...then she's needing a hug...then she's angry...then she's a lesbian...and so on and so forth. Then add all the silly interludes and that horrid cover of "Tonight's The Night."

Both albums were too overproduced and annoying to listen to. But, TVR has a little more depth and has aged slightly better, so it gets my vote.

Again, neither album is their best.

Michael's best is not 'Off the Wall.'

I'd put 'Invincible' on the same level as 'Off the Wall.'

Nice Joke!!

I don't know if it was a joke or not, but hearing Invincible encouraged me to buy the 1978-1981 albums though I knew the popular singles already for a few years and I was so impressed and liked to play Invincible alongside those albums. So for me, the Invincible era is also those eras cause I wasn't born yet

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mjscarousal said:

SUPRMAN said:

Michael's best is not 'Off the Wall.'

I'd put 'Invincible' on the same level as 'Off the Wall.'

Nice Joke!!

Lol

I agree with SUPRMAN. I do realize people consider OTW this high and mighty album. Still I listen to Vince and OTW the least. I'm all about Bad and 90s

babybugz said:

How can people not like you are not alone? The video is another story though

Some of us listen to this song only when watching the video. If it wasn't for the video, I'd hardly ever listen to it. The only thing I'd change about the video is that I would erase the wings.

I also don't like that song too much. Even though I have never been a fan of remixes because to me, they always ruin the whole atmosphere of the song, I actually really like the remix on BOTDF album. That is one of my favourite remixes of all time. And I agree that I believe I can fly is much better than YANA, even though right now I can't imagine Mike singing it.

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Oh and BTW I love the HIStory album. It's great. So many masterpieces - Stranger in Moscow, Earth Song, Childhood, Little Susie, Smile....actually looking at the songs I've written, I really love the ballads from it except for YANA. But I have to admit that I don't listen to the album that often. I think you have to be in a certain mood to listen to some of these songs and that is why they are not something you're gonna play as a background music for something that you do. You really need to LISTEN to it and be in that mood.

As for Velvet Rope, I haven't listened to it since the year it's been released, but I LOOOOOOOOVE the title track. That's very hot.

HIStory is the album I could listen to and listen to another song randomly without a problem...Velvet Rope songs....I immediatley think baout the next song beofre or afterwards when it comes on a shuffle...it's like losing a piece of that whole experience. The album is more of a journey than HIStory.

On my Ipod I have HIStory grouped as:

Scream

They Dont Care ABout Us

This Time Around

Stranger In Moscow

Earth Song

Money

D.S.

Tabloid Junkie

2Bad

You Are Not Alone

Little Susie

Smile

HIStory

I put Come Together on Bad, Childhood is cute but I can do without it. Wish there were some unreleased tracks b-sides from this era to add on..other than the ones on Blood On The Dancefloor.

babybugz said:

How can people not like you are not alone?

Because that song is fucking annoying as all hell. The only part of the song I find tolerable is MJ's long note. The rest of it though? Ugh. I don't know what it is about R.Kelly, but I would have rather he wrote MJ a song about sniffing some girl's cooch instead. Those are the kind of songs that r.Kelly really excels at imo. Probably because I think that they are something he could relate to more.

Unholyalliance said:

babybugz said:

How can people not like you are not alone?

Because that song is fucking annoying as all hell. The only part of the song I find tolerable is MJ's long note. The rest of it though? Ugh. I don't know what it is about R.Kelly, but I would have rather he wrote MJ a song about sniffing some girl's cooch instead. Those are the kind of songs that r.Kelly really excels at imo. Probably because I think that they are something he could relate to more.

On paper, Michael and R. Kelly seemed like a sure thing but to be honest, that collaboration I always considered a mismatch despite its success. Plus I think why it was so successful had to do with the video, for many it was "wow Michael and Lisa Marie" and for others, "ooh Michael's half naked, lemme watch. "

That's what I got from it at least lol

^^ Of course the video did but YANA is a nice song standing alone as well. lol I can see why someone would find it corny though

LightOfArt said:

mjscarousal said:

Nice Joke!!

Lol

I agree with SUPRMAN. I do realize people consider OTW this high and mighty album. Still I listen to Vince and OTW the least. I'm all about Bad and 90s

Exactly, BAD is my favorite MJ album. However comparing OTW WITH INVINCIBLE and saying it is on the SAME level...

Sorry but.. NO.

mjscarousal said:

^^ Of course the video did but YANA is a nice song standing alone as well. lol I can see why someone would find it corny though

LightOfArt said:

Lol

I agree with SUPRMAN. I do realize people consider OTW this high and mighty album. Still I listen to Vince and OTW the least. I'm all about Bad and 90s

Exactly, BAD is my favorite MJ album. However comparing OTW WITH INVINCIBLE and saying it is on the SAME level...

Sorry but.. NO.

Invincible is a good album but is not no Off the Wall. And Bad is definitely up there. Michael was on an emotional high when he did that particular album (and Dangerous).

Timmy84 said:

mjscarousal said:

^^ Of course the video did but YANA is a nice song standing alone as well. lol I can see why someone would find it corny though

Exactly, BAD is my favorite MJ album. However comparing OTW WITH INVINCIBLE and saying it is on the SAME level...

Sorry but.. NO.

Invincible is a good album but is not no Off the Wall. And Bad is definitely up there. Michael was on an emotional high when he did that particular album (and Dangerous).

I almost forgot how unfortunate the original Invincible album was....I have been playing a different version of that album for almost 10 years now.. w/o 2000 Watts, Cry and The Lost Children.

paisleypark4 said:

Timmy84 said:

Invincible is a good album but is not no Off the Wall. And Bad is definitely up there. Michael was on an emotional high when he did that particular album (and Dangerous).

I almost forgot how unfortunate the original Invincible album was....I have been playing a different version of that album for almost 10 years now.. w/o 2000 Watts, Cry and The Lost Children.

I plan to make my own mix. IMHO his heart was at the right place with The Lost Children. I've warmed up to the song a bit but I still don't think that (or the other songs you listed) fit the theme of Invincible. To me, that seemed to be the only post-Motown album of Michael's solo career in which it was an album of "good songs" rather than a more cohesive effort. You knew the stories behind OTW, Thriller, Bad, Dangerous and HIStory for example.

Timmy84 said:

paisleypark4 said:

I almost forgot how unfortunate the original Invincible album was....I have been playing a different version of that album for almost 10 years now.. w/o 2000 Watts, Cry and The Lost Children.

I plan to make my own mix. IMHO his heart was at the right place with The Lost Children. I've warmed up to the song a bit but I still don't think that (or the other songs you listed) fit the theme of Invincible. To me, that seemed to be the only post-Motown album of Michael's solo career in which it was an album of "good songs" rather than a more cohesive effort. You knew the stories behind OTW, Thriller, Bad, Dangerous and HIStory for example.

paisleypark4 said:

Timmy84 said:

I plan to make my own mix. IMHO his heart was at the right place with The Lost Children. I've warmed up to the song a bit but I still don't think that (or the other songs you listed) fit the theme of Invincible. To me, that seemed to be the only post-Motown album of Michael's solo career in which it was an album of "good songs" rather than a more cohesive effort. You knew the stories behind OTW, Thriller, Bad, Dangerous and HIStory for example.

Yeah man I agree. On first listen what did you think of You Rock My World?

I dug it from day one actually. It's still one of those songs I can get down to. If more work had been done on it, it would've been really funky - it was in parts. But overall I dug it and his backgrounds on it was just KILLER!

Velvet Rope is one of my favorite albums ever. So it wins.

However, History has some of MJ's strongest songs lyrically. "They Don't Care About Us" is such a powerful, kickass track. "Stranger in Moscow" and "Scream" are excellent too.

alphastreet said:

TotalAlisa said:

I think people can relate to the velvet rope more, then MJ History. Only because he was talking about issues that someone of his caliber deals with. I didn't know who Don Standon was at the time

I also feel like many songs on the MJ's album sounds very dated and not in a good way. Like the songs: D.S., Money, Tabloid Junkie, This time around, 2bad, and little susie. BUT his stronger songs like You are not alone, stranger in moscow, earth song, and scream, THESE ARE CLASSICS and will album stand against the test of time.

I agree those 4 you named are classics. Though TDCAU and Stranger in Moscow were not hits here, I'm surprised at how many people know and love those songs, and have done so for so many years! I've known so many people who own HIStory since it came out and I remember them liking the singles too cause it was my junior high years, but I didn't know of those kids liking those two though I know people now who do. The others you named, I really like them too though I would choose Dangerous tracks over them. However, I appreciate them for their moralistic messages and the emotions they can bring out if we care for MJ. When I came to understand people treated him badly cause it makes them money and learned more details of the allegations since I was miraculously kept from all that despite knowing of him, it all made sense. Earth Song was a single here, so I think people did know it though I don't recall anyone talking about it much until his death, though I know someone who had their teacher play the video in science class a few years ago.

well i didn't know about the earth song or video until like 1998, but the video made me cry, and i would always listen to that song. I LOVE EARTH SONG. its so powerful. That song on the album was on heavy rotate. Im surprised people didn't make a big deal about the song, ATLEAST the video. That video was one of his BEST. The message was so touching and powerful.

people are just now getting on the MJ bandwagon after he died, and i can't respect them. I WOULD let everyone know that I loved him it was apart of my identity and hamsters too.

Unholyalliance said:

babybugz said:

How can people not like you are not alone?

Because that song is fucking annoying as all hell. The only part of the song I find tolerable is MJ's long note. The rest of it though? Ugh. I don't know what it is about R.Kelly, but I would have rather he wrote MJ a song about sniffing some girl's cooch instead. Those are the kind of songs that r.Kelly really excels at imo. Probably because I think that they are something he could relate to more.

my lil cousin LOVES you are not alone. She has that on replay

and i have so many memories attached to that song, when it came out. I was a little kid, and when that song comes on and the video I LOVE IT. I hate the video, only because LMP is in that video. I can't stand her.

TotalAlisa said:

alphastreet said:

I agree those 4 you named are classics. Though TDCAU and Stranger in Moscow were not hits here, I'm surprised at how many people know and love those songs, and have done so for so many years! I've known so many people who own HIStory since it came out and I remember them liking the singles too cause it was my junior high years, but I didn't know of those kids liking those two though I know people now who do. The others you named, I really like them too though I would choose Dangerous tracks over them. However, I appreciate them for their moralistic messages and the emotions they can bring out if we care for MJ. When I came to understand people treated him badly cause it makes them money and learned more details of the allegations since I was miraculously kept from all that despite knowing of him, it all made sense. Earth Song was a single here, so I think people did know it though I don't recall anyone talking about it much until his death, though I know someone who had their teacher play the video in science class a few years ago.

well i didn't know about the earth song or video until like 1998, but the video made me cry, and i would always listen to that song. I LOVE EARTH SONG. its so powerful. That song on the album was on heavy rotate. Im surprised people didn't make a big deal about the song, ATLEAST the video. That video was one of his BEST. The message was so touching and powerful.

people are just now getting on the MJ bandwagon after he died, and i can't respect them. I WOULD let everyone know that I loved him it was apart of my identity {b]and hamsters too. [/b]

I saw some plushie ones at a store and thought of this board

I actually sang Earth Song at an event 2 months before he died and was worried no one knew it cause they didn't seem familiar with it and I felt paranoid about them being biased with MJ though I had sung his stuff before too. I bet those same people dig it now, and I hope they remember my ass being there for him when they weren't. I tend to get very obnoxious too when I meet new MJ fans now, I like to say things to rub in that I've been collecting for years or he has inspired me for years or if they discover something, I say I've already had that for ages and don't care if it's rude If they are kids, I'm not hard on them and I think it's cute but I feel sad and old about it cause I remember being at their age when a video premiered or if I played with a toy or if I was coming home after school to watch his videos, and they are stuck with the likes of katy perry and beiber bob or whatever...

I remember when it came out in 1995. It was not on the radio, but it was on the music video channel countdown where I'm at, and I'm pretty sure it went high cause it was on the charts from about Oct or Nov 1995 to Feb 1996. I remember my mom being in the room one time and liking it too and though I liked/loved MJ, I didn't realize I was in love with him yet though I was already familiar with him for years if he was played time to time, I think after that it just exploded. I thought the video was sad and also well done, but when I saw that World Music Awards performance and him getting all those awards, that sealed the deal for me

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TotalAlisa said:

Unholyalliance said:

Because that song is fucking annoying as all hell. The only part of the song I find tolerable is MJ's long note. The rest of it though? Ugh. I don't know what it is about R.Kelly, but I would have rather he wrote MJ a song about sniffing some girl's cooch instead. Those are the kind of songs that r.Kelly really excels at imo. Probably because I think that they are something he could relate to more.

my lil cousin LOVES you are not alone. She has that on replay

and i have so many memories attached to that song, when it came out. I was a little kid, and when that song comes on and the video I LOVE IT. I hate the video, only because LMP is in that video. I can't stand her.

Lisa used to be so sexy, I think she's hotter than Mike in the video....and you know I love me some MJ

Timmy84 said:

mjscarousal said:

^^ Of course the video did but YANA is a nice song standing alone as well. lol I can see why someone would find it corny though

Exactly, BAD is my favorite MJ album. However comparing OTW WITH INVINCIBLE and saying it is on the SAME level...

Sorry but.. NO.

Invincible is a good album but is not no Off the Wall. And Bad is definitely up there. Michael was on an emotional high when he did that particular album (and Dangerous).

'HIStory' and 'Dangerous' are Mike's two best to me. On both he is miles in front of 'Off the Wall.'

'Off the Wall' was big when it landed but Mike went on to bigger and better things.

I like 'Invincible' because it reminds me of 'Off the Wall. '