Unholyalliance said:

trueiopian said:

BTW, how in the world is YANA the worst song on HIStory? That song made HIStory very successful and it's one of MJ's best ballads.

Popular =/= Good

Critically Acclaimed =/= good

Hitting #1 on Billboard =/= good

Selling a shitload of copies =/= good

Successful =/= good

Selling a small amount of copies =/= good

That being said, I find that song to be the one damning blemish on an perfectly good ass...

Probably or probably not. I don't know. A lot of people's careers get a resurgence in death...depending on how they died and lived though. It seems the more tragic it is, the more of a chance you have people idolizing you as I think you get romanticized.

trueiopian said:

Childhood are so dated.

Please tell me what about this song is dated. What about this song screams "THIS WAS MADE IN THE 90S!" I just have to know. When I hear it, I don't remember hearing anything like it from that era. Is it the way it was produced? Recorded? The genre?! Were operatic pop disney like songs really big in the 90s?! Aren't songs like these still being used in Disney and musical productions? I really just have to know why you are saying it's dated. I don't understand why.

You're sooooo delusional.

mancabdriver said:

SUPRMAN said:

Obviously I didn't care where they ranked it.

I'm surprised it made the list.

But in the end, I don't buy music or rate it based on Rolling Stone so . . . . .

I'm pretty sure if History was ranked on the list and was higher than TVR MJ stans would be drumming it into their posts - RS would also magically regain its credibility.

You know how they love their figures.

How much did Thriller sell again?

I'm not a Michael Jackson "fan." I don't even have all of 'Off The Wall', certainly not the album. I have tracks from hits collections that capture what I want of 'Off The Wall.' 'Off The Wall' is cool, but nothing great.

I prefer HIStory, but I also prefer MJ to JJ in general, so that shouldn't really be shocking. I own both albums and used to love both, but TVR is quite forgettable for me. I love Got 'Til It's Gone, Go Deep, Together Again, Everytime and Rope Burn on The Velvet Rope, but I still go with HIStory. Granted, half the songs on HIStory rank as some of MJ's worst for me (This Time Around, 2 Bad, Tabloid Junkie), but it's also got 3 absolute classics (They Don't Care About Us, Stranger In Moscow, Earth Song), which beats out anything on Velvet Rope.

Ctritics ratings and rankings never mean anything to me, by the way. Not even when praising something I like, or criticizing something I don't.

trueiopian said:

Unholyalliance said:

Please tell me what about this song is dated. What about this song screams "THIS WAS MADE IN THE 90S!" I just have to know. When I hear it, I don't remember hearing anything like it from that era. Is it the way it was produced? Recorded? The genre?! Were operatic pop disney like songs really big in the 90s?! Aren't songs like these still being used in Disney and musical productions? I really just have to know why you are saying it's dated. I don't understand why.

You're sooooo delusional.

damn tru, you're just gonna cross damn near the whole post off?

Michael and Janet are pissed at most of y'all for this thread.

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HIStory

bboy87 said:

trueiopian said:

You're sooooo delusional.

damn tru, you're just gonna cross damn near the whole post off?

Sorry, but I can't take him or that post seriously.

Timmy84 said:

Michael and Janet are pissed at most of y'all for this thread.

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Hell, LaToya wants to know why "Starting Over" isn't part of the poll. From what was said, it's her most personal album

trueiopian said:

TotalAlisa said:

we dont have to wait 20 years to know that some of the songs on that album is dated. all I can say is some of the songs like lil susie, it something i don't listen to anymore and don't care to. I LOOOVE MJ with all my heart, but im not going to act like the History album is a masterpiece. Its NOT. It has some songs on the album that are Masterpieces. Outside the MJ fans, the filler songs on his album would not be understood by casual listeners.

Yea, there's a lot of filler on the album and songs like HIStory and Childhood are so dated. In fact, most of MJ's discography is dated. Particularly, the Dangerous album.

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why the fuck are you responding to my posts???? Don't bring into your petty argument with Unhollyalliance.

You can't even have a discussion with anyone without resorting to personal insults, or trying to be condescending towards others whose opinions differ. You don't know every fucking thing, its just OPINIONS.

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TotalAlisa said:

You can't even have a discussion with anyone without resorting to personal insults, or trying to be condescending towards others whose opinions differ.

Sooooo much irony! Wow, you're truly a psychopathic bitch, hamster girl.

Timmy84 said:

Michael and Janet are pissed at most of y'all for this thread.

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That's MJ with Stranger in Moscow and Janet with What About alright

trueiopian said:

Unholyalliance said:

Please tell me what about this song is dated. What about this song screams "THIS WAS MADE IN THE 90S!" I just have to know. When I hear it, I don't remember hearing anything like it from that era. Is it the way it was produced? Recorded? The genre?! Were operatic pop disney like songs really big in the 90s?! Aren't songs like these still being used in Disney and musical productions? I really just have to know why you are saying it's dated. I don't understand why.

You're sooooo delusional.

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lol I asked you a valid question that you, apparently, have no way of answering. Why don't you just admit that you have no idea of what talking about already instead of trying to cover your ass by resorting to petty insults?

TotalAlisa said:

Unholyalliance said:

Personally, I think it's a little too early to talk about what's dated and not since 20s years really haven't passed as of yet... That being said I don't really remember either album sounding much like what was released at the time though. At that the time of release I remember there was a lot of hip hop/r&b meshing going on at the time.

we dont have to wait 20 years to know that some of the songs on that album is dated. all I can say is some of the songs like lil susie, it something i don't listen to anymore and don't care to. I LOOOVE MJ with all my heart, but im not going to act like the History album is a masterpiece. Its NOT. It has some songs on the album that are Masterpieces. Outside the MJ fans, the filler songs on his album would not be understood by casual listeners.

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME??????? AM I HEARING THIS CORRECTLY FROM TOTAL RIGHT NOW?

Little Susie PAWNS the ENTIRE VR album with the Euro Dutch inspired Production, the well written lyrical content of the song that was wriiten by MICHAEL HIMSELF like MAJORITY OF HISTORY WAS, the beginning to end of the song.. the well produced arrangement of it. There was nothing dated about it.. It was just a different style of genre.. it wasnt pop. That song was exactly I think was one of Michaels greatest risk acheivements that he was exactly successful with. He took this SAME approach with Stranger in Moscow which was another masterpiece Not everyone can crossover to singing that genre.

While History did have like 3 or 4 unnessary songs BESIDES that the entire album was epic.

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wow this thread is heated...why is it so important that people agree with your opinion?

Anyway, my two cents:

HIStory is one of my favorite MJ albums, but not the top. (Bad and Dangerous are, to me, better) For me, this album is too long, with songs like Childhood (insipid) HIStory (a hot mess, has no organic flow, feels like three songs squished awkwardly together...but I do LOVE the chorus), Come Together (unneccesary), and D.S. (which starts good and then gets real repetetive REAL fast). It's the insane highs on the album (especially the first five tracks, which are all STELLAR) that make it so intriguing and entertaining. That being said, while as an ALBUM it is not my favorite, it does have two of my fave MJ songs...They Don't Care About Us and Earth Song.

On to Velvet Rope. Again, not my favorite Janet album (I prefer janet. and Discipline), but still a stellar work. As has been said, it definitely has a very cohesive feel, but I do think that, like HIStory, it is too long. Did we need Every Time, Tonight's the Night, Anything, AND Special to be on this album (all saccharine ballads lumped together)? Pick any one of them to keep, throw the rest out, and end the album on Rope Burn, and it would have been perfect. But it wouldn't be a Janet album without too many ballads on it.

So which one do I prefer? Really, I think they're pretty even. Both stellar albums that are a little too overstuffed for their own good, with amazing highs and also some pretty low lows. Which one edges the other out seems to shift depending on my mood, but right now I'd probably have to go with The Velvet Rope.

=0P

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mjscarousal said:

TotalAlisa said:

we dont have to wait 20 years to know that some of the songs on that album is dated. all I can say is some of the songs like lil susie, it something i don't listen to anymore and don't care to. I LOOOVE MJ with all my heart, but im not going to act like the History album is a masterpiece. Its NOT. It has some songs on the album that are Masterpieces. Outside the MJ fans, the filler songs on his album would not be understood by casual listeners.

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME??????? AM I HEARING THIS CORRECTLY FROM TOTAL RIGHT NOW?

Little Susie PAWNS the ENTIRE VR album with the Euro Dutch inspired Production, the well written lyrical content of the song that was wriiten by MICHAEL HIMSELF like MAJORITY OF HISTORY WAS, the beginning to end of the song.. the well produced arrangement of it. There was nothing dated about it.. It was just a different style of genre.. it wasnt pop. That song was exactly I think was one of Michaels greatest risk acheivements that he was exactly successful with. He took this SAME approach with Stranger in Moscow which was another masterpiece Not everyone can crossover to singing that genre.

While History did have like 3 or 4 unnessary songs BESIDES that the entire album was epic.

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i can't agree with the bolded, if that were true, Lil Susie would have been released as a single and a fan favorite. That song is probably the least mentioned MJ song.

Lil susie would never beat out "I get so lonely" or "Got til its Gone". Noooo way. And we should do a public vote on that.

but again it boils down to opinion, you think lil susie is MJ's best work. I think it sounds like a song that belongs on a Tim Burton film/soundtrack. Like a dark lullaby

trueiopian said:

TotalAlisa said:

You can't even have a discussion with anyone without resorting to personal insults, or trying to be condescending towards others whose opinions differ.

Sooooo much irony! Wow, you're truly a psychopathic bitch, hamster girl.

this shows why you are the REAL TROLL

and you just proved me RIGHT.

Unholyalliance said:

trueiopian said:

You're sooooo delusional.

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lol I asked you a valid question that you, apparently, have no way of answering. Why don't you just admit that you have no idea of what talking about already instead of trying to cover your ass by resorting to petty insults?

TotalAlisa said:

this shows why you are the REAL TROLL

and you just proved me RIGHT.

and this comes from the #1 troll on this board. You were exposed in the Madonna thread you made to troll (as usual) so if I were you I'd keep it lite, hamster girl.

Unholyalliance said:

lol I asked you a valid question gave you a STAN rant that you, apparently, have no way of answering.

Fixed.

Why don't you just admit that you have no idea of what talking about already instead of trying to cover your ass by resorting to petty insults?

and this is coming from the guy that attacked me because I prefer TVR to HIStory.

trueiopian said:

TotalAlisa said:

this shows why you are the REAL TROLL

and you just proved me RIGHT.

and this comes from the #1 troll on this board. You were exposed in the Madonna thread you made to troll (as usual) so if I were you I'd keep it lite, hamster girl.

NOTHING was exposed. the only thing the person did was bring up posts i made on other boards. That does not make me a troll or confirm that i am. You DAMN IDIOT. xperience319 is a troll just like yourself. i know you posts on other sites too, so I guess that makes you a troll.

I been on this site since 2004, I am POPULAR ON HERE. I am the number 1 EVERYTHING on non-music prince section. I don't care I earned my place. Luv4u knows i am not trolling, only the newbie idiots like yourself, or members from 2004 janetxone even think that. The real members who been here before 2004 are COOL.

Don't even talk about keep it lite. You better watch your fucking mouth. All you do is go around insulting others on here for no damn reason.

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Oh no! Thread highjack alert...thread highjack alert...thread highjack alert!

TotalAlisa said:I been on this site since 2004, I am a POPULAR TROLL ON HERE. I am the number 1 EVERYTHING TROLL on non-music prince section. I don't care I earned my place as a TROLL. Luv4u knows i am trolling.

Fixed.

back to MJ History vs JJ Velvet Rope

and ignoring trolls

Says it all!

TotalAlisa said:

back to MJ History vs JJ Velvet Rope

Please ignore my trolling

Fixed.

purplethunder3121 said:

Says it all!

Don't it? Janet is gonna fuck some people up in this thread.

"YOU WANT CRAZY?! I'LL SHOW YOU CRAZY!" Wished she had done that on Poetic Justice on dude's ass that hit Regina.

Timmy84 said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Says it all!

Don't it? Janet is gonna fuck some people up in this thread.

"YOU WANT CRAZY?! I'LL SHOW YOU CRAZY!" Wished she had done that on Poetic Justice on dude's ass that hit Regina.

^^^ PREACH IT, Bro! Yeah, she NEEDED to go off like that in Poetic Justice (but she saved it for nearly 30 years)! I think a LOT of people want to go off like that these days (including me! LOL). But I will live vicariously through Janet! Loved it at her recent concerts when they showed this clip and the audience stood up and cheered like CRAAAZY!

I'm the Hamster Girl BITCH! Good ol' Rick....

I respect Michael for doing the different genre songs on HIStory. Way before I joined fansites, I knew a girl also a big fan like me, and Little Susie was her favourite off HIStory and she'd sing it a lot though she thought it was sad too.

And I know so many people who love Stranger in Moscow, even before the death and it didn't even chart here. It has an ambient feel to it, and I wanted to hear more of that style from him

HIStory includes those 5 new songs (the singles) that I like a lot.

Scream

They Don't Care...

Earth Song

You Are Not Alone

Stranger In Moscow

I dislikes the rest on the "New songs" CD2.

And I really dislikes Janet Jackson as well. All her music.

Sorry...

Unholyalliance said:

Please tell me what about this song is dated.

This is what I asked sans 'rant.' Would you please be so kind to answer the question already instead of avoiding it?

Whether or not you like to song, I really don't care. But calling something dated is less subjective and treading more objectivity imo. One can objectively say that the Bad album is dated due to the synths. Rhythm Nation is dated. It sounds like 90s r&b. A good portion of the Dangerous album is dated due to the New Jack Swing influences. Off The Wall is dated as well as the ones I stated earlier. It sounds dated. It sounds like old music even though I think it's still a really awesome album as well as the other ones I just mentioned. I just want to know why you think that song in particular sounds like the era in which it was released. That is all. Do you think you can do that without throwing me an unrelated insult this time?

You know what? If throwing me unrelated insults is what you have to do, then that is fine. Just as long as you answer the question.

This is third time I'm asking you this.