Timmy84 said:

babybugz said:

Probably.

And the only thing the other brothers could do was complain lol they were probably more angry at Randy than Michael because they got to write together while Jackie, Marlon and Tito, while having their own publishing companies, never wrote anything that screamed hit (Marlon was the only one who came close with Janet lol).

Michael and Randy had better chemistry with the music.

This Is It has to be put into perspective.

First off - it's raw footage.

Secondly - it's a weird beast in that it's not really a documentary per se, in as much as it's also not a concert film. Seen as either I think you will always be disappointed.

It's best viewed as documenting the building together of a concert - sewn together from stuff that was obviously meant as "bonus features" on what would have been a no-brainer of a live DVD, (the way the whole dance rehearsal is shot is evident of this, so too the band interviews) and it's also a work in progress. If you're expecting the final show - you'll be disappointed.

The biggest enjoyable insight in it is seeing how Michael put a show together and how he approached it.

If you can leave expectations at the door, it will surprise you.

Don't forget also that during that time I believe only MJ, Randy and Janet still lived at home - thus on the demoes recorded at the Encino compound you often hear MJ, Randy and Janet doing stuff.

Imaginative said:

Swa said:

Again you demonstrate your inability to apologise. You asked for me to point out where you were disrespectful and I did. Yet you can't even say "ok, I was out of line with that".

Didn't realize you were looking for an apology. I thought by pointing out that you seem to have misunderstood the intentions of my words, that we were good. I'm not sure if I was "out of line," certainly no more out of line than when other here have told me to fuck of, jump off a cliff, etc. But if I hurt your feelings, I'm sorry.

No "bait" intended. As I said earlier, I'm watching the Blu-ray this weekend and hope to see some amazing live performances, given that the (already delayed) first show was only 3 weeks away when he died. I simply mention it in the context that "what would have been," "what could have been," has no real relevance, and is best left to the "Fan Fiction" section I spotted on one of the Jackson boards I saw this morning, (when asked by a member here to check it out.)

As for future discussions, until you can post with respect, I don't see why any of us should bother giving you the respect of responding to you.

I'm fine with that, and don't ask for your respect. I also mean you no disrespect. You seem nice enough, and as far as I know, you haven't told me to fuck off, etc. although it's hard to keep track. Again, if I truly hurt your feelings in any way, it was not my intention, and I'm sorry.

For the record - no I haven't told you to fuck off, jump off a cliff, etc. Never told anyone to do that. Never will. If you have to resort to personal attacks then in my books your argument is not strong enough on it's own.

And for clarity - I respect opinions. If people are open minded enough to enter into discussions with good intentions, to share opinions and looking to hear out others then they always get my respect.

If everyone is open to being challenged, open to having their perception changed, and you'll be open to being heard. If people are closed minded then its all moot point.

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A cover version by true definition is where the track has already been recorded and released by another artist.

Songs submitted to be recorded on an album are not.

Case in point - Girlfriend is a cover as it was originally released by Wings in 1978.

She's out of my life is not - as it was submitted for inclusion on the album.

Using a song as the basis of another is not a cover - one could argue it's a sample, depending on how much of the song is used or a reworking.

Thus Behind The Mask is an evolution of the song with new verses, melody and refined chorus.

In the same way that Beyone's Run This World is a sample/reworking/evolution of Pon De Floor by Major Lazer. In that instance I prefer the original track to the reworking.

Swa said:

Using a song as the basis of another is not a cover - one could argue it's a sample, depending on how much of the song is used or a reworking.

Thus Behind The Mask is an evolution of the song with new verses, melody and refined chorus.

Yes, that's what I was trying to say. If you listen to the original version of Behind The Mask, then listen to the version Michael contributed to, Michael made it a brand new song, but this person (Imaginative) seems to have it set in their mind that Michael was not a good artist, and they bring up 'facts' when it supports their argument, then ignores 'facts' when it doesn't. Behind The Mask is at least 50% Michael's composition, being that he wrote all the verses, the chours and added aditional music.

Imaginative said:

More black pixels in MY honor?!

I wonder what it says. Actually I don't.

Oh yeah, I forgot you had a problem reading. Maybe this image can help you understand my post better:

[img:$uid]http://i.imgur.com/BKmm0.jpg[/img:$uid]

[Edited 7/7/11 21:23pm]

Michael Jackson: The Songwriter

This post isn't complete, but I'm bored now. Maybe I'll add more later.

Michael Jackson could and did write many songs, by himself and with others. He not only wrote lyrics, but also composed the music for many of his songs. He also produced many of his songs, he produced songs for others, and could play numerous instruments, including piano/synthesizers/computers, drums and percussion and guitar. Usually, though, he would use his mouth in place of any instruments when writing a song. He would often beatbox the beat, and use his mouth to create the sound of the guitar, bass, drums, etc.

I have included sources and other websites with relevant information at the bottom of this post.

Here is a partial list of songs Michael wrote solely by himself. I will not take the time to make sure I have every song, I'll just do the ones I can remember, and anyone with further info can contribute to the list.

(Songs he legally released himself, which he wrote lyrics and music solely by himself)

1. Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough (Off The Wall, 1979)
2. Working Day and Night (Off The Wall, 1979)
3. Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' (Thriller, 1982)
4. The Girl Is Mine (Thriller, 1982)
5. Beat It (Thriller, 1982)
6. Billie Jean (Thriller, 1982)
7. *Someone In The Dark (Available on 2001 Thriller Reissue) *All Music credits this to MJ on the Thriller reissue, but not on The Ultimate Collection - so I'm unsure if he wrote it. All Music contradicted itself.
8. Bad (Bad, 1987)
9. The Way You Make Me Feel (Bad, 1987)
10. Speed Demon (Bad, 1987)
11. Liberian Girl (Bad, 1987)
12. Another Part Of Me (Bad, 1987)
13. I Just Can't Stop Loving You (Bad, 1987)
14. Dirty Diana (Bad, 1987)
15. Smooth Criminal (Bad, 1987)
16. Streetwalker (Available on 2001 Bad Reissue)
17. Fly Away (Available on 2001 Bad Reissue)
18. Heal The World (Dangerous, 1991)
19. Black Or White (Dangerous, 1991)
20. Who Is It? (Dangerous, 1991)
21. Will You Be There? (Dangerous, 1991)
22. They Don't Care About Us (HIStory, 1995)
23. Stranger In Moscow (HIStory, 1995)
24. Earth Song (HIStory, 1995)
25. D.S. (HIStory, 1995)
26. Money (HIStory, 1995)
27. Childhood (HIStory, 1995)
28. Little Susie (HIStory, 1995)
29. Morphine (Blood On The Dance Floor, 1997)
30. *Supafly Sister (Blood On The Dance Floor, 1997) *Credit says "Written by Michael Jackson; Composed by Michael Jackson and Bryan Loren"
31. Speechless (Invincible, 2001)
32. The Lost Children (Invincible, 2001)
33. The Way You Love Me (Michael, 2010; The Ultimate Collection, 2004)
34. Best Of Joy (Michael, 2010)
35. Much Too Soon (Michael, 2010)
36. Beautiful Girl (The Ultimate Collection, 2004)
37. We've Had Enough (The Ultimate Collection, 2004)
38. On The Line (The Ultimate Collection, 2004; B-Side, 1997)
39. In The Back (The Ultimate Collection, 2004)
40. Sunset Driver (The Ultimate Collection, 2004)
41. What More Can I Give? (Charity Single for 9/11, 2001)

Songs Micheal wrote himself and recorded with The Jacksons (All Music being the sole source here):

1. Blues Away (The Jacksons, 1976)
2. This Place Hotel (Triumph, 1981)

-All Music does not list credits for some of The Jacksons' songs, so there may be more than listed here-

Songs Michael wrote for others:

1. Fly Away (Rebbie Jackson)
2. Centipede (Either Rebbie Jackson or La Toya, can't remember)
3. Night Time Lover (La Toya Jackson)
4. * This Had To Be (Brothers Johnson) *Co-Writer
5. Muscles (Diana Ross)
6. *Say Say Say (Paul McCartney) *Co-Writer
7. *The Man (Paul McCartney) *Co-Writer
8. *Love Never Felt So Good (Johnny Mathis) *Co-Writer
9. *Behind The Mask (Greg Phillinganes, Eric Clapton, others) *Co-Writer
10. We Are The World (USA For Africa) *Co-Writer
11. *You're The One (Jennifer Holiday) *Co-Writer
12. *Eaten Alive (Diana Ross) *Co-Writer
13. *We Are Here To Change The World (Deniece Williams) *Co-Writer
14. *Alright Now (Ralph Tresvant) *Co-Writer
15. *Do The Bartman (The Simpsons) *Co-Writer
16. Happy Birthday Lisa (The Simpsons)
17. *I Never Heard (Safire) *Co-Writer
18. *Joy (Blackstreet) *Co-Writer
19. Children's Holiday (J-Friends)
20. People Of The World (J-Friends)

It's also worth noting, that while I can't recall, and therefore don't have the source, one of Micheal's producer during the 90s (Teddy Riley, maybe?) said that when Michael co-wrote a song with him, Michael usually wrote all the lyrics and melody, and the producer took the melody and turned it into a pop/r&b/new jack beat and rhythm. Again, I don't have the source at hand, so you can treat this as BS if you'd like.

Here are some sites with info about his songwriting:

(You can also look at the credits in his albums, if you own them)

Likely to be the most reliable source, this is All Music, a very well known music site. Click on each MJ album and there is songwriting info. For whatever reason, they don't list him as playing any instruments, but looking at the liner notes of his albums will tell you that he did.

http://allmusic.com/artist/michael-jackson-p4576

This Site has some inaccuracies, and is therefore not reliable, but is a very simple list, and also gives info about the chart positions of songs MJ wrote. One error, though, is that it claims Michael wrote only one song on Off The Wall, when he in fact wrote two, and co-wrote a third.

http://www.musicbyday.com/michael-jackson-as-a-hit-songwriter/469/

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Artists who have covered Michael Jackson songs

Here are two lists of Michael Jackson covers. The first is a Wikipedia list, and I know people do not trust Wikipedia, but this was the easiest and quickest source to track down, and really, who would vandalize a page like this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_artists_who_have_covered_Michael_Jackson

It should be noted that the above list is not complete, either.

Here is a more another, longer list:

http://www.whosampled.com/covered/Michael%20Jackson/

Anyway, outside of modern pop music, Michael Jackson's songs have been covered by many notable artists in many genres of music, including but not limited to:

(Sorry, this list is not sorted in any way, and only contains a small number of people who covered MJ)

1. Fall Out Boy (Beat It)
2. Miles Davis (Human Nature)
3. Carlos Santana (Smooth Criminal)
4. Chris Cornell (Billie Jean)
5. Alien Ant Farm (Smooth Criminal)
6. Metallica (Beat It)
7. Wing (Beat It)
8. Lenny Kravitz (Billie Jean)
9. Ian Brown (Billie Jean (also, Thriller))
10. Julian Coryell (Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough)
11. Josh Groban (She's Out Of My Life)
12. Patti Labelle (She's Out Of My Life)
13. Paul Anka (The Way You Make Me Feel)
14. Sly and Robbie (Billie Jean)
15. Willie Nelson (She's Out Of My Life)

[Edited 7/7/11 22:49pm]

A lot of the songs MJ wrote and produced himself (or co-produced) are often my favourites.

I just wish he had more confidence to back himself more.

When you listen to the demos of Don't Stop, Billie Jean etc and look at songs like Who Is It, and Stranger in Moscow you can see that he had it all there.

Swa said:

A lot of the songs MJ wrote and produced himself (or co-produced) are often my favourites.

I just wish he had more confidence to back himself more.

When you listen to the demos of Don't Stop, Billie Jean etc and look at songs like Who Is It, and Stranger in Moscow you can see that he had it all there.

A friend told me recently that MJ was no differnt that any other pop star, and I told them to go listen to: They Don't Care About Us, Stranger In Moscow and Earth Song - because other pop stars don't write songs that good. 3 of my Top 5 favorite MJ tracks were written solely by him, one was co-written by him, and 4 of them were from the 90s.

Anybody who says he didn't write good songs, or that his post-Thriller or post-Bad music sucks is stating their opinion, not a fact. I value his work from Dangerous onward more than the 80s stuff, and way more than his Motown stuff.

The1592 said:

You do know that Michael is credited as co-writer for the Eric Clapton and Greg Phillinganes versions, right? The original version did not included lyrics for the verses and chorus - Michael wrote that. I think that writing 75% of the lyrics, and adding new music counts as co-writing a song.

Yes, I do know that Clapton and Phillinganes covered the Jackson version. However, the original version did have lyrics. I don't question whether writing new lyrics and adding new music constitutes a co-writing credit. I do question Jackson's motive for doing so, and I do think in part it was to get 1/3 of the publishing.

And might I add that The Beatles covered many songs. Does that mean they didn't make quality music? If you say yes, I'd think you're insane. If you say no, then I'd like to know why Michael covering 3 songs* throughout his adult career means he couldn't make quality music?

Without even getting into The Beatles... I never said Jackson didn't make quality music. I never said the Michael Jackson covering 3 songs means he couldn't make quality music. I'm honestly confused where you got any of that. (I am quite happy to talk about The Beatles until the cows come home when relevant.)

Also, might I add that you thanked someone for turning you on to "Behind The Mask", yet you previously stated that the Michael album was not quality material. How would you know if you hadn't hear all (or perhaps any) of the songs?

I said it was a nice enough record, or something to that effect. He recommended the song and I gave it a second listen. I thought that was the courteous thing to do. Um, what am I defending myself against now? Why should I waste energy arguing over how good of a song it is? I was brought up that if someone asks you to listen to something with an open mind, you do it and thank them. They were nice enough to recommend it.

Finally, please do not view me as an 'insane Jacko fan' - I am not someone who would defend anything he did, he's not even my favorite artist... but I think you're much too critical of him, and you don't always get your facts straight, such as...

Don't worry, I don't "view you."

from Off The Wall onward, he wrote at least 35 of his songs solely by himself. This is not counting songs he wrote for others, songs he wrote for The Jacksons, or songs that have been legally unreleased (bootlegged), yet you've stated "18 songs" over and over, even after someone made you a list showing more than 18 songs he wrote. If you'd like, I'll do the research, make you a list and properly cite it, if you'd like proof that he can write songs.

What ever number you say it is, it is. I looked at the albums since Off the Wall and counted. My apologies if I missed a B-side here or a give away there. Even if the number doubles, that still only amounts to him writing two songs, by himself, for every year after Off the Wall. After someone made the [Edit: initial] list, I thanked him and corrected my number to 30. Now you say 35. Okay... it's 35. I guess I missed some of those bootlegs you mentioned.

Yes, please do the research and get back to me. As you can see it's very important to me. [Edit: I see you did your research. Thank you. I will sleep well.]

Might I also add that if co-writing songs doesn't count, neither Paul McCartney nor John Lennon would ever make a best songwriters list.

First of all, Lennon's entire post-Beatles, solo career* spanned the same amount of time as the period between Thriller and Bad. I'm sure both Lennon and McCartney's solo careers would make someone's list. I mean, anyone can make a list right. I would put McCartney's 40+ year solo career on my list, but you don't have to put him on your list.

Also, might I ask you to list some of the songs post-Thriller, even post-Bad that you liked (if any), and also, if you could list some songs post-Bad that you didn't like. I don't want to insult you, but I'd just like to see if you actually listened to Dangerous, HIStory and Invincible, since you've insulted the quality of his output from the last 25 years, but I don't recall you ever mentioning a single song by name from any of those albums.

Edit: Please forgive me if anything I said has already been said. This thread is way too long to read all of it.

I'm not really here to dissect his discography for you. I've already mentioned earlier what I liked. Yes, it's quote obvious you didn't read the thread, being that you seem to have misconstrued me at every moment. I can sum up what seems like the last 10 pages as this; I don't think he was prolific and others do. I don't like the majority of his later material, others do. Wow.

* Essentially 4 years of recording before entering before retiring. He came out of retirement in 1980 (to release one 1/2 album really) shortly before he was killed.

[Edited 7/7/11 23:42pm]

Unholyalliance said:

Imaginative said:

More black pixels in MY honor?!

I wonder what it says. Actually I don't.

Oh yeah, I forgot you had a problem reading. Maybe this image can help you understand my post better

[Edited 7/7/11 21:23pm]

"Beatles stan"? Nope, over my head.

It's fun ignoring only you.

bboy87 said:

NaughtyKitty said:

Thats incredible!

What was that?

i'm glad i wasn't the only one listening to that thinking WTH

Imaginitive said:

Yes, I do know that Clapton and Phillinganes covered the Jackson version. However, the original version did have lyrics. I don't question whether writing new lyrics and adding new music constitutes a co-writing credit. I do question Jackson's motive for doing so, and I do think in part it was to get 1/3 of the publishing.

Yes the original version had lyrics - those lyrics though were restricted to pretty much the vocoder chorus.

Jackson didn't do a "write a word and claim a third" as you seem to imply.

Rather he wrote new melody line to it. Wrote brand new verses, and augmented the chorus. His contribution was at least a 1/3 and thus he is fully entitled to shared credits.

The thing that held up the initial release was that Ryuichi Sakamoto felt the song as Yellow Magic
Orchestra was complete and didn't need the additional verses, melody and arrangement Jackson gave.

What is interesting is that later in 1987, Ryuichi Sakamoto re-recorded the song including Jackson's new verses, arrangement and additions. Technically covering Jackson's version before Jackson's was released.

To see what was there originally, and what Michael contributed here are the two versions.

YMO original:

Ryuchi Sakamoto's 1987 cover of Jacksons take on it.

And finally Michael's reworked 2010 version

When you compare YMO original and MJ's take - his contribution is undeniable.

babybugz said:

bboy87 said:

I love Triumph. I may be in the minority, but I think Time Waits For No One is better than She's Out Of My Life

It is!! I think every Michael fan should have triumph even if it is a Jackson’s project. It’s an important album in my opinion.

Alot of MJ fans well maybe most of the newer ones dont seem to check for anything pre 1982. It's a shame because some of Michael's best work was before Thriller IMO. I dont' undertsand how someone could be a fan of his music and not explore his entire catalog, i understand people have preferences but those who only love bad era or dangerous era should give the others a chance too.

Swa said:

Yes the original version had lyrics - those lyrics though were restricted to pretty much the vocoder chorus.

Jackson didn't do a "write a word and claim a third" as you seem to imply.

As much as I would like to claim credit for the clever phrase you quote, I never said it. I did question his motives for his rewrite, and judging from the legal battles that kept it from being released, so did the original authors.

When the song was first brought up, the person who recommended I listen to it again denied that it was a cover version. The fact that Jackson amended the original composition doesn't change the fact that it is indeed, a cover version. It's just a cover-version with an asterisk.

mimi07 said:

babybugz said:

It is!! I think every Michael fan should have triumph even if it is a Jackson’s project. It’s an important album in my opinion.

Alot of MJ fans well maybe most of the newer ones dont seem to check for anything pre 1982. It's a shame because some of Michael's best work was before Thriller IMO. I dont' undertsand how someone could be a fan of his music and not explore his entire catalog, i understand people have preferences but those who only love bad era or dangerous era should give the others a chance too.

I used to think the new fans that came along with HIStory or even Invincible were lucky in that there was this wealth of back catalogue of stuff to discover - much like if you get into Prince today there are so many great albums to discover. And it's all like a great instant hit of music.

That said, with all the albums MJ has sold over his career I still love it when someone says "oh I've never heard this - it's cool" when you play them something like It's the falling in love off OTW or Money off HIStory.

Imaginative said:

Swa said:

Yes the original version had lyrics - those lyrics though were restricted to pretty much the vocoder chorus.

Jackson didn't do a "write a word and claim a third" as you seem to imply.

As much as I would like to claim credit for the clever phrase you quote, I never said it. I did question his motives for his rewrite, and judging from the legal battles that kept it from being released, so did the original authors.

When the song was first brought up, the person who recommended I listen to it again denied that it was a cover version. The fact that Jackson amended the original composition doesn't change the fact that it is indeed, a cover version. It's just a cover-version with an asterisk.

"write a word claim a third" is an oft bantied about phrase in the music industry, often used at artist's like Madonna's expense (not sure if it's justified).

As for the legal battles, it was more around ego. The writers of YMO felt it was ok as is. What I do find interesting though is that the main writer then went on to do a true cover of Michael's take on the track. So obviously he felt there was an improvement.

But surely now when you listen to the original YMO and Michael's version you have to concede he contributed a lot to its new evolution. A mighty big important asterisk one might say.

And I assume by your rationale - Prince's version of Kiss is a cover version of Mazaratti then right?

The1592 said:

Anybody who says he didn't write good songs, or that his post-Thriller or post-Bad music sucks is stating their opinion, not a fact. I value his work from Dangerous onward more than the 80s stuff, and way more than his Motown stuff.

Once more, for the record... assuming you're referring to me, I never said any of those things.

I would never use the word, "sucks" to describe music or anyone's hard work, for that matter. That's rude. I stated my preferences. Thank you for reminding the thread that my preferences are also my opinion. I can see where that could have gotten confusing.

It is true that the majority of music journalists also agree that he never again matched the artistic or commercial heights of Thriller (I actually consider Thriller a step down from Off the Wall, but only a small one), and that certainly from 1995 forward, he was on a steady downhill slide. But that's only their opinion as well, so you shouldn't really let that bother you either.

The "tragic" events of 2009 really only served to cement and highlight what what the mainstream media was saying about him for the past 15 years.

You like what you like, and nobody is going to take that away from you.

Swa said:

And I assume by your rationale - Prince's version of Kiss is a cover version of Mazaratti then right?

Prince wrote "Kiss." He used large parts of Mazaratti's arrangement, but you're smart enough to know the difference between a composition and an arrangement, right?

Did Jackson write "Behind the Mask" for YMO, then take it back after they made their contribution? I think conception counts for something, doesn't it?

[Edited 7/8/11 1:33am]

I was browsing some of MJ's registered songs and I came across this

Type of Work: Visual Material

Registration Number / Date: VA0000156632 / 1984-07-11

Application Title: Michael Jackson, human nature.

Title: Michael Jackson.

Description: Col. photo.

Copyright Claimant: M J J Productions, Inc.

Copyright Notice: notice: Michael Jackson Productions, Inc.

Date of Creation: 1983

Date of Publication: 1983-05-02

Visual Material of Human Nature? What could that possibly mean? A video?

EDIT: nvm, I see it says "photo"

[Edited 7/8/11 2:51am]

Imaginative said:

It's fun ignoring only you.

Because you know I called you out on your bullshit. You can't fool me.

I keep saying that you are full of shit and you keep proving me right. The poster just asked you to name the songs that you liked and disliked. If had you listened to the music, as you so claim, you would have been able to answer this. You still have yet to mention any of the songs that you do like pre-Bad. Then again, that would mean that you were actually interested in discussing the music rather than trolling this thread.

You used terms such as: 'weak,' 'not as high quality,' and etc. which are synonymous with the term 'suck.' Of course you never will actually go into detail, because that would have meant you actually listened to it to have an actual opinion.

Funny, because I think music journalists tend to claim the same thing about all of the Beates post-Beatles work as well.

Sooooo last night I went to Half Price Books with a friend...I got some comics and sure enough,

what I did I see on the display shelf for $19.98!!!! Bonus: The VHS copy of Ghosts inside was NTSC!

It is clearly even marked "GHOSTS NTSC." I told the person checking out, "I have wanted this since I was 12 years old!" So happy!!! THRILLED!!!

[Edited 7/8/11 5:08am]

[Edited 7/8/11 5:09am]

So, Unholyalliance, what are your favorite MJ tracks post-Bad??

Vanilli said:

Sooooo last night I went to Half Price Books with a friend...I got some comics and sure enough,

what I did I see on the display shelf for $19.98!!!! Bonus: The VHS copy of Ghosts inside was NTSC!

It is clearly even marked "GHOSTS NTSC." I told the person checking out, "I have wanted this since I was 12 years old!" So happy!!! THRILLED!!!

[Edited 7/8/11 5:08am]

[Edited 7/8/11 5:09am]

Cool... I don't have this. Was this never released on DVD?

..

[Edited 7/8/11 5:23am]

The1592 said:

Vanilli said:

Sooooo last night I went to Half Price Books with a friend...I got some comics and sure enough,

what I did I see on the display shelf for $19.98!!!! Bonus: The VHS copy of Ghosts inside was NTSC!

It is clearly even marked "GHOSTS NTSC." I told the person checking out, "I have wanted this since I was 12 years old!" So happy!!! THRILLED!!!

[Edited 7/8/11 5:08am]

[Edited 7/8/11 5:09am]

Cool... I don't have this. Was this never released on DVD?

I also have "Ghosts" on VCD - which you can still snag on eBay for a good price. It was an official release.

It will play on all DVD players. I think that is a close as we got for an official release. Halloween would be the perfect

holiday to release a SPECIAL ZOMBIE EDITION of GHOSTS/Making of Thriller combo DVD. What do you say Sony?!?!?

[Edited 7/8/11 5:38am]

mimi07 said:

babybugz said:

It is!! I think every Michael fan should have triumph even if it is a Jackson’s project. It’s an important album in my opinion.

Alot of MJ fans well maybe most of the newer ones dont seem to check for anything pre 1982. It's a shame because some of Michael's best work was before Thriller IMO. I dont' undertsand how someone could be a fan of his music and not explore his entire catalog, i understand people have preferences but those who only love bad era or dangerous era should give the others a chance too.

I totally agree with you, I tend to go all out if I really get into something, so of course I did it with MJ, though it took years to build my collection and it wasn't all at once. When I just had 2 or 3 albums, though I loved them, I started looking elsewhere too until I managed to buy another MJ album thinking I'm just adding to it and then being so blown away and then settling and buying something else just for singles and being blown away by the whole thing, or by getting video footage and falling in love more and more. Though Bad and Dangerous are my favourites, I like how I can switch to Jackson 5 for awhile too and then the era from Destiny to Thriller and Goin Places thrown in.

mimi07 said:

babybugz said:

It is!! I think every Michael fan should have triumph even if it is a Jackson’s project. It’s an important album in my opinion.

Alot of MJ fans well maybe most of the newer ones dont seem to check for anything pre 1982. It's a shame because some of Michael's best work was before Thriller IMO. I dont' undertsand how someone could be a fan of his music and not explore his entire catalog, i understand people have preferences but those who only love bad era or dangerous era should give the others a chance too.

Exactly. I was just re-exploring young Michael's/Jackson Five catalog and I was just blown away. I despise it when fans refuse to listen to anything before Thriller and dismiss just because he was part of The Jackson Five.