I'm gonna go with MJ's own words as far as how he felt about his dad. It's weird to me that the man said outright himself that he forgave his dad and loves him and you guys are trying like hell to null and void that : "Well we don't really know how he felt; oh he was abused, abused kids make excuses for their parents".
Maybe it's more that you guys just want him to have hated his dad, and just get off on shitting on him? Look, Gary Indiana was really bad around the time Joseph got his family out of there - that's love. Yeah, he wasn't perfect as a parent, but honestly, NO parent is, and MJ has also stated in interviews, positive memories he has of his dad as well. Again - none of us were there and we don't know all that went on and how good or bad things were/got, and it's none of our business.
It's just incredibly fucking creepy and offensive to me that MJ fans don't even know these people and feel absolutely entitled to shit on them and speak as though they were there living with the family for 20, 30 years and even try to speak on their behalf and say what they must have been thinking or felt.
Have some damn respect - since when is it okay to go around disrespecting other people's parents. I said it once, I'll say it again - if it weren't for MJ's parents, the guy you all love so much, wouldn't even have been born. And if it wasn't for his dad busting his ass to try and see to it that his kids got out of there and had something better, you guys wouldn't even know who the fuck Michael Jackson was. "I don't think you'd do well in captivity." - random person's comment to me the other day | |
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I miss you, Michael. Your life is the only reason I believe miracles and magic truly happen. I'd be lost without you.
I love you forever and always... The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl
"When you close your heart, you close your mind." - Michael Jackson (Man In The Mirror) "I don't need anger management, I need people to stop pissing me off" | |
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Very true. MJ L.O.V.E: https://www.facebook.com/...689&type=2 / YOUTUBE: http://www.youtube.com/us...nderSilent | |
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Ok then. I'm holding on to the fact that MJ said he forgave his dad because I believe him. Forgiving and forgetting are two different things and no I didn't expect MJ to forget about the abuse. But having guts to say I forgive my abusive dad is something I admire about MJ. I have no opinion on how you view Joe as a father but this is my opinion. I'm not trying to justify his abuse or any other child abuse for that matter, but when MJ said he forgave his dad, I will believe him and stop thinking that I can analyze&figure out how their relationship was. Sure I may be interested in what MJ told Rabbi Shumuley (I'm sure I spelled his name wrong), and think that what he felt inside and what he told in the interview are two different things, but I'd rather go with what MJ said in the interview. I just don't wanna join the "Joe was pure evil" club. [Edited 6/24/11 10:29am] | |
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I was talking about what MJ's dad did when he was a kid. U can take that drama somewhere else. | |
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Probably because the anniversary of his death is approaching and not everyone wants to talk about this right now. Also, some people just want to talk about the music. If so, then I understand where they are coming from.
I am sorry that you are so insenstive to the plight of abused children and how it affects them, but that's the reality of things. It's hard people to admit those things, especially if they are your parents.
That being said, I think it's one thing to acknowledge the fact that Michael Jackson, publicly forgave his parents, but can you relate that to people respecting them for the simple fact that they gave birth to and raised Michael Jackson? Those seem to be two totally seperate issues.
I don't even think that I was being disrespectful to his parents in any of my posts that were addressing the issue you brought up. At the end of the day, Katherine and Joe Jackson are not YOUR parents. There's really no reason for you to get so worked up over this. However other people feel about them is out of your control as well.
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Guys, can we put our differences of opinions aside until the 25th is over? Some of us are trying to cope with our grief and the memories associated with this day.
Let's try to celebrate Michael's life rather than bicker about the details. Seriously. The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl
"When you close your heart, you close your mind." - Michael Jackson (Man In The Mirror) "I don't need anger management, I need people to stop pissing me off" | |
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Ok, I ask again:
What is anyone doing for the 25th? Anyone throwing a celebration or are you going to stay inside and just watch his music videos? Listen to his music? Light a candle? Be here or somewhere with fellow MJ fans?
I was thinking of staying home...but if I find something around I'm going to go. =3 | |
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i, too, admire mj's decision to forgive his father. it's important to release pain that others inflict upon you, because it impedes your growth and that negativity cripples you. by not forgiving the abuser, it allows him to continue to exert power over you. i don't have a problem with saying that mj forgave his father for the abuse. what i have a problem with is the ongoing denial that his forgiveness means we can't also note mj's other nonverbal acts which speak volumes about his feelings. he didn't allow joe in his house. in one of their last meetings he insisted that someone else accompany him to as he didn't want to be in room with joe alone. he did not leave his father a red cent in his will. the fact that joe busted his kids' asses to work hard doesn't hold enough water with me. as unholyalliance said, parents are supposed to give their children the basic necessities, and teaching your kids to have discipline and reach for their dreams can be called 'basic necessities' that your parents are to provide you with. so since joe made mj work hard to become someone, that's supposed to mitigate the way he treated him otherwise? no, sorry, doesn't cut it with me. | |
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I hate the month of June and am dreading tomorrow! RIP MJ, your one of the very few celebrities that I actually truly loved! Going to watch moonwalker today at work and all the videos to remember one of the greatest!! I wanna be your lover! | |
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What people say means nothing, what they do means everything and I'd have no problems with Mike's treatment of his father, that was his choice. I'll say as for me, as a man from abusive brutal parents, i look back and see the good and the bad and don't really think much of it anymore. I'll tell you why, I've dealt with a million other authority figures in this society and they're all corrupt and "bad" maybe that's cynical but that's my life. I can't put my parents on a lower plane than everyone else just because they got first crack. All the teachers, mentors, bosses and even friends and women are screwed up. Society isn't very healthy here, of course we don't know that because we live in it, like a fish doesn't know it's living in water. I recently been spending time with my stepdad, he can't break my arm anymore, nothing for me to worry about and I am rational enough to deal with him. People are people pretty much and none of us are any good. | |
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Michael Jackson: King of Pop Was Also King of Compassion | |
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This collection is good they had all his motown albums in one place instead of buying it one by one. I'm glad I purchased it last year I need to get all of the Jackson 5 albums I notice I don't listen to them as much as the jacksons. I have the songs but I only own their first two albums. | |
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"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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Shows as in T.V Specials? I looked on my t.v guide and BET is showing one special in the morning and the rest is regular programming. On a few music channels I see them showing something maybe once or twice there’s no marathons this year.
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This classic J-5 cut is just ahead of its time. It's so astonishing!
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Last year, Motown/Universal reissued all of the Jackson 5 albums from 1971-1975 (Goin' Back To Indiana to Moving Violation) complete with original liners, remastered sound and new photos. I brought them, even though I had the excellent 2-in-1 CD remasters. Highly recommended buys.
Also, check out last year's Live At the Forum from last year as well. Check me out and add me on:
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All Michael Jackson weekend on local radio station....the first 10 songs ,I was.. then.. to and then to it changed to now I'm sitting on the needing a .
That radio station ,dogg -gone -it, played with my emotions playing his good feeling songs causing me to dance and singing then they played all his slow depressing songs ....I can't take it.. Njoy ur weekend..
All weekend like this... MJ this and that...like they say:
"WE GOTTA LIVE IN THE MOMENT! WE GOTTA LOVE PEOPLE WHILE THEY ARE ALIVE---NOT AT THEIR FUNERALS." --GEORGE FOREMAN Desiigner "Panda" LES TWINS x YAK FILMS | Laurent ft Skitzo & Boom Squad Inglewood (part 1)
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Yes I know about the reissues I just couldn’t find it so I will probably have to buy them on Amazon.
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I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE UGLY. YOU JUST HAVE BAD LUCK WHEN IT COMES TO MIRRORS AND SUNLIGHT!
RIP Dick Clark, Whitney Houston, Don Cornelius, Heavy D, and Donna Summer. | |
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Description Michael Jackson & Jackson 5 2011 numbered limited edition Mini LP 12-SHM-CD Box Set. This edition will come with label card and a bonus ACAPELLA CD "PURE MICHAEL" first time on CD worldwide. This is destined to be sold out prior to the release date so please make sure you place the pre-orders to secure your copies. "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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Listening to CAN YOU FEEL IT right now. One of the best Jackson jams ever. I love Mike's voice on this song. I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE UGLY. YOU JUST HAVE BAD LUCK WHEN IT COMES TO MIRRORS AND SUNLIGHT!
RIP Dick Clark, Whitney Houston, Don Cornelius, Heavy D, and Donna Summer. | |
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Right now it is Sat 25 June here in Australia so - a moment's silence...
Now onto the music. "I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love" | |
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Michael Jackson: Remembering the star at 20
The world was emptier without his talent, but it was the end to a difficult and challenging life. In memory of his death, here’s a remembrance of Michael Jackson full of life — before the surgeries, before the masks, before the court cases and tabloid troubles. Written by the Post’s Jacqueline Trescott on June 11, 1979, here’s Michael Jackson, a 20-year-old man on the verge of breaking out from his family’s shadow: Michael Jackson, now 20, an elongated version of the cute, spindly youngster who finger popped into teen hearts 10 years ago, knows what he wants for the next 10. “To do everything I feel I should do,” says Jackson, his trademark airy pitch unchanged. His dark eyes are direct, making no excuses for that goal. “Really, more music, films, everything. I want to go all the way.” His smile grows into grin, testing the boundaries of a crescent fact that, up close, is small and sand papery. His answers are the quick, flippant retorts of any 20-year-old, their tone mixed with the blase worldliness of someone who has spent half his life in the limelight. Dressed in brown slacks and print shirt with a gray cavalry hat perched on a wayward afro, Jackson leans back onto the bedpost. His brother, Marlon, 22, one of the original five who started out as the Jackson Five in 1969 and renamed themselves the Jacksons three year ago, joins the conversation. Three hours before the group will bring 20,000-plus fans to their feet, on a night when a reported 5,000 were turned away, Michael and Marlon are totally relaxed. In fact, they are cutting up like the Smothers Brothers. “What! There aren't any girls downstairs,” mocks Marlon, camouflaged behind sunglasses and a worn cream-colored jogging suit. From the corner, one of the managers announces that the lobby of the Sheraton Lanham Motor Inn was packed earlier in the day. “Well I guess they'd expect us to be at the Regency, or the ‘Gate,” says Michael (who is given to abbreviations: ‘Gate for Watergate Hotel, ‘tics for politics, ‘Town for Motown Records, their first label). Ten years ago, the Jacksons were all terribly green, painfully shy, leaving all the declarations to their father, Joseph Jackson. What they offered to the music scene were five blemishfree faces, heart-throbbing in their close-cut hair, chino pants and matching sports jackets. Out of Gary, Ind., they marketed bubble-gum soul, which brought them adulation and riches. But, even then, when they spoke, they were coy: their sound, explained one back then, “is a secret; too many people might find out and start doing it.” Now, with their youth no longer a salable part of the act (Randy, the youngest, is 16), the Jacksons have to compete with established male acts like the O'Jays and Commodores. “We have to strive to set trends, instead of following them,” says Michael. They are succeeding. Their latest album, “Destiny” is certified platinum and has birthed two top 10 singles. Yet 10 years has produced some changes. Chinos have been replaced by coordinated gold lame stitched into a medieval-futuristic combination. The screams have cultivated layers, from those whose years are marked by Jacksons' pin-ups and from a younger generation that can't be called bubble-gum, though that's its age and beat. In personnel, there have been alterations - one brother, Randy, substituting for another, Jermaine, who remained with Motown when the rest switched to CBS Epic Records. But what has remained constant is the dominance of Michael Jackson. His career has gone further, expanding to movies with the role of the Scarecrow in “The Wiz,” and joining the gossip mystique, escorting Tatum O'Neal. On stage Michael's dancing is an impeccable sample of disco and acrobatics, stylishly flamboyant and patterned. The packaging has killed the spontaneity but, nevertheless, three women were carried over the rails in dead faints during Michael's solos Saturday night. “In Charlotte, it was a little unreal because they carried the girls out in stretchers across the stage,” says Michael. That was Friday night, and a day later, he sounded slightly stunned. Marlon explains that they never get used to the screams, and Michael elaborates, “it honestly feels fresh each time.” In the hotel room the two brothers are explaining what tours are like, insisting the Jackson public camaraderie carries over to travel and record sessions. In the fourth week of the two-month tour that ended over the weekend, the Jacksons switched from airplanes to a caravan of station wagons and mobile homes. “I prefer the bus. Flying is fine in good weather,” says Michael, who watches movies during the long drives and then rushes out to catch the zoo in each major city. “Hey he feels at home, looking at his relatives,” says Marlon. “Well, that means you, right? Sure I like you,” says Michael. Looking back, the Jacksons agree that the response they triggered in fans was the most fulfilling aspect of the last decade. “The fact that we have sold 60 million records and brought joy to so many people. I like that for the happiness, not for the money,” says Michael. “And playing for the Queen of England, twice; what an honor. I had a fantasy of kings and queens and there she was in her magic box, with her crown and jewels.” Marlon interrupts. “It's everyone we have touched, and selling out certain places, like the Astrodome and breaking the Beatles record in Liverpool.” Success has brought certain luxuries. Marlon is buying a house in the San Fernando Valley, equipped with a tennis court, so he can live his fantasy of being a tennis pro. Waiting for Michael at the family's sprawling compound in Encino, Calif., are several movie offers. “First there's the movie of ‘Chorus Line,’ but I haven't seen the script yet. Then someone is doing a script on the Bill Robinson story, then a movie about summer stock, about what people do to make it, the pain of success,” says Michael. Is he attracted to stories of struggle because his career has been free of scars? Michael immediately responds yes. Marion again interrupts. “In the early days, before we went national, we did the seven shows a night, traveling in a Volkswagen. That wasn't fun.” Corrects Michael, “It hasn't been bad, but we didn't come out of the blue.” But what about the internal jealousies, the rifts that must come? “We like one another and think alike, so there are few problems. And we tell this one,” Marlon says, looking at Michael, whose attention has been caught by the television, “We tell him the most important thing is the last name.” Michael scowls. And Marlon amends, “I was only kidding.”
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I'm thinking maybe I should warn all my FB friends that I will be STANNING OUT tomorrow. I already changed my profile picture
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Stan away Bboy....
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"All In Your Name" with Barry Gibb is now available on Barry's site
http://www.barrygibb.com/shop/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=76 "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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My family got some friends coming over. They're oblivious to the whole anniversary thing, but these friends have 3 kids. One of them is Blanket's age, and we're prolly gonna watch TII, Moonwalker, or play MJ: The Experience. I'll be in the kitchen all day cooking (cuz it's a dinner thing and I'm mostly responsible for that sorta thing in my household), so I think that's the best thing for me. To take my mind off it and spend it with kids.
I'm gonna listen to his music all day, and wear one my MJ shirt. There are no tributes where I live.
I'll try to make due with what I have. And spend time with some fellow fans on facebook. The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl
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Found this on youtube. It made me smile. Thought I would share it here.
"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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