independent and unofficial
Prince fan community
Welcome! Sign up or enter username and password to remember me
Forum jump
Forums > Music: Non-Prince > Who Has Set The Groundwork For Rap Music?
« Previous topic  Next topic »
  New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
Author

Tweet     Share

Message
Thread started 05/18/11 12:48pm

Beautifulstarr
123

avatar

Who Has Set The Groundwork For Rap Music?

Some would say it's the Sugar Hill Gang or even Kurtis Blow, but the oldies would say it's someone like Cab Calloway with his tongue twisting ad libs to Minnie The Moocher. Since then, rap has become a lucrative market in the music industry. Who deserves the credit, and what path do you see it going in the future?

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #1 posted 05/18/11 1:04pm

MickyDolenz

avatar

Probably traditions from Africa like "playing the dozens", chants, trickster (ie Brer Rabbit) stories, etc.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #2 posted 05/18/11 1:54pm

paisleypark4

avatar

Well because there are so many different styles of rap music, it is hard to say.

Rap music began as a cross-cultural product. Early artists, such as Jool Herc (aka the "Godfather of Hip Hop") and DJ Hollywood, were first and second generation Americans from Jamaica. These artists used the Jamaican style of cutting and mixing with American music; this began the trend of mixing on turntables.

yahoo answers

ask deb.com:

Who Started The Hip Hop Culture?

Generally speaking, rap was started in the Bronx, New York in the 1970's. Because of personal recollections and the myth-making aspect of hip hop, it's hard to isolate the exact time and place where rap started or who exactly should be considered the inventor of rap. For instance, many believe "Kool Herc" helped create rap at street parties in the Bronx, while others cite "Melle Mel" as the first official rap MC, or at least the first to call himself MC.

[Edited 5/18/11 13:54pm]

Straight Jacket Funk Affair
Album plays and love for vinyl records.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #3 posted 05/18/11 2:04pm

MickyDolenz

avatar

^^^Little Richard, Johnny Guitar Watson, and other older singers claimed to have created the 1st rap records.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #4 posted 05/18/11 2:39pm

vainandy

avatar

Nobody set the groundwork for this bullshit that it became. Nobody back then dreamed that they would eventually turn the genre into a bunch of rhythmless bullshit. Those early rap records were about boasting who was the baddest MC, DJ, lover, or whatever else they wanted to boast about. There were also mainly about fun and partying, not a bunch of bullshit. Hell, they were party records made for parties. And most importantly, they were funky. They came from funk and disco and were played right alongside funk and disco records on the radio, at the clubs, and at the parties. Hell, one of the first rap records was made by Fatback, which was a funk band and another one was made by The Sugarhill Gang which was based from a disco record. When the rap records got away from being funk or disco records themselves, that's when the genre turned into "shit hop".

Andy is a four letter word.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #5 posted 05/18/11 2:44pm

MickyDolenz

avatar

Here's some earlier rap tunes:

http://prince.org/msg/8/351436

[Edited 5/18/11 14:45pm]

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #6 posted 05/19/11 2:56am

TonyVanDam

avatar

Beautifulstarr123 said:

Some would say it's the Sugar Hill Gang or even Kurtis Blow, but the oldies would say it's someone like Cab Calloway with his tongue twisting ad libs to Minnie The Moocher. Since then, rap has become a lucrative market in the music industry. Who deserves the credit, and what path do you see it going in the future?

Rap is decades and centuries older than hip-hop culture itself. Only poetry is older than rap.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #7 posted 05/19/11 7:41am

paisleypark4

avatar

vainandy said:

Nobody set the groundwork for this bullshit that it became. Nobody back then dreamed that they would eventually turn the genre into a bunch of rhythmless bullshit. Those early rap records were about boasting who was the baddest MC, DJ, lover, or whatever else they wanted to boast about. There were also mainly about fun and partying, not a bunch of bullshit. Hell, they were party records made for parties. And most importantly, they were funky. They came from funk and disco and were played right alongside funk and disco records on the radio, at the clubs, and at the parties. Hell, one of the first rap records was made by Fatback, which was a funk band and another one was made by The Sugarhill Gang which was based from a disco record. When the rap records got away from being funk or disco records themselves, that's when the genre turned into "shit hop".

Funk did indeed help establish rap. It got alot of credit for establishing it too. James Brown is sort of a pioneer to the genre also with his lyrics and rhymes..which half the time were not actual singing on the tune, but saying what he wanted to say. Not to also forget the music he made is still being sample by rappers to this very day.

Straight Jacket Funk Affair
Album plays and love for vinyl records.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #8 posted 05/19/11 7:58am

Graycap23

Once u find out...............let me know.

I'm going 2 kick his ass.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #9 posted 05/19/11 8:58am

Timmy84

TonyVanDam said:

Rap is decades and centuries older than hip-hop culture itself. Only poetry is older than rap.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #10 posted 05/19/11 2:26pm

bobzilla77

With its combination of rhythmic speak-singing over a riff with a hot chorus, the use of non-musical sound effect samples, and its open hostility to the authorities, I think you could make a case for CW McCall's "Convoy."

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #11 posted 05/19/11 2:50pm

MickyDolenz

avatar

bobzilla77 said:

With its combination of rhythmic speak-singing over a riff with a hot chorus, the use of non-musical sound effect samples, and its open hostility to the authorities, I think you could make a case for CW McCall's "Convoy."

Songs like The Name Game & Here Comes The Judge beats Convoy by a decade. Sound effects on records existed long before Convoy too. Listen to Good Morning Good Morning by The Beatles, Chain Gang by Sam Cooke, or old blues records with train sounds.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
  New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
« Previous topic  Next topic »
Forums > Music: Non-Prince > Who Has Set The Groundwork For Rap Music?