Okay, I'm LOVING the song. A couple of things, though:

a) if I hear one mention of it being even remotely similar to anything Madonna has done, is doing or will do, I will fucking lose it. Seriously. And...

b) I agree that this will be HUGE. I can already see the gays in the clubs singing "JUDAH-JUDA-AH-AHHH!!!"

Militant said:

And the song is out.

http://perezhilton.com/20...early-leak

RedOne's production is phat.

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The link doesn't work for me.

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I'm sure the video will make me like the song more...which shows, IMHO, that she's more visual than anything else.

Unholyalliance said:

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What a shitty cover.

I guess the cover does work to shift how the single is a redux of BR.

piepie1976 said:

I kinda like the cover. It's camp deluxe. She might have changed her mind though. I don't see it on her fb page anymore.

She got a REAL negative response from her fans (most of them) when she posted it on Twitter.

Anyone who thinks this is somehow camp, is a slap in the face to real camp.

This is shit.

lazycrockett said:

Anyone who thinks this is somehow camp, is a slap in the face to real camp.

This is shit.

That goes with Crapbert saying "glampy" or some shit about a year ago.

I miss the "poker face", "nothing else to say" and "lovegame" Ga ga who will never come back because she is trying to hard to be different.

Time to burn several million CD booklets that's already been printed out?

I did a google search on how people have reacted to the cover art and most people are commenting on it very negatively. It's strange though - I also went to the photographer's site and his work is really good in general.

mancabdriver said:

I miss the "poker face", "nothing else to say" and "lovegame" Ga ga who will never come back because she is trying to hard to be different.

I have to agree with you here. When she first came out, she was bubbly with lots of personality but once The Fame Monster was released, she seemed a lot more "serious" during interviews. I don't mind the change, but I did like The Fame era a lot

I gotta say the religious undertones are beginning to grate.

First with the "god makes no mistakes" line in the chorus of "born this way" and now the second single being all about one jesus's disciples.....it's funny because gaga thinks she's some sort of all-inclusive role model but when you do stuff like this, you're being exclusive to western religious philosophy. It's becoming obvious that she went to a catholic school, and it's a little unnerving.

I don't recall there being any religious references in "just dance", "poker face", "paparazzi", "telephone", "bad romance"..... they were just good songs. no pandering to certain demographics either, the way "born this way" is a blatant pander to the LGBT community.

My cousin said "rather than widening her scope, she's limiting it".

Militant said:

I gotta say the religious undertones are beginning to grate.

First with the "god makes no mistakes" line in the chorus of "born this way" and now the second single being all about one jesus's disciples.....it's funny because gaga thinks she's some sort of all-inclusive role model but when you do stuff like this, you're being exclusive to western religious philosophy. It's becoming obvious that she went to a catholic school, and it's a little unnerving.

I don't recall there being any religious references in "just dance", "poker face", "paparazzi", "telephone", "bad romance"..... they were just good songs. no pandering to certain demographics either, the way "born this way" is a blatant pander to the LGBT community.

My cousin said "rather than widening her scope, she's limiting it".

Hey, she's right...

Militant said:

I gotta say the religious undertones are beginning to grate.

First with the "god makes no mistakes" line in the chorus of "born this way" and now the second single being all about one jesus's disciples.....it's funny because gaga thinks she's some sort of all-inclusive role model but when you do stuff like this, you're being exclusive to western religious philosophy. It's becoming obvious that she went to a catholic school, and it's a little unnerving.

I don't recall there being any religious references in "just dance", "poker face", "paparazzi", "telephone", "bad romance"..... they were just good songs. no pandering to certain demographics either, the way "born this way" is a blatant pander to the LGBT community.

My cousin said "rather than widening her scope, she's limiting it".

Won't someone think of the heterosexuals?

SEANMAN said:

Militant said:

I gotta say the religious undertones are beginning to grate.

First with the "god makes no mistakes" line in the chorus of "born this way" and now the second single being all about one jesus's disciples.....it's funny because gaga thinks she's some sort of all-inclusive role model but when you do stuff like this, you're being exclusive to western religious philosophy. It's becoming obvious that she went to a catholic school, and it's a little unnerving.

I don't recall there being any religious references in "just dance", "poker face", "paparazzi", "telephone", "bad romance"..... they were just good songs. no pandering to certain demographics either, the way "born this way" is a blatant pander to the LGBT community.

My cousin said "rather than widening her scope, she's limiting it".

Hey, she's right...

I'm an atheist so it means absolutely nothing to me. Might as well say "flying pink panda is always right". I wouldn't sing along to that either because it just sounds stupid.

Spinlight said:

Militant said:

I gotta say the religious undertones are beginning to grate.

First with the "god makes no mistakes" line in the chorus of "born this way" and now the second single being all about one jesus's disciples.....it's funny because gaga thinks she's some sort of all-inclusive role model but when you do stuff like this, you're being exclusive to western religious philosophy. It's becoming obvious that she went to a catholic school, and it's a little unnerving.

I don't recall there being any religious references in "just dance", "poker face", "paparazzi", "telephone", "bad romance"..... they were just good songs. no pandering to certain demographics either, the way "born this way" is a blatant pander to the LGBT community.

My cousin said "rather than widening her scope, she's limiting it".

Won't someone think of the heterosexuals?

The irony is that by trying so hard to be inclusive she's becoming exclusive. I have no problem with her, or anyone making songs for their gay audience (although funnily enough all my gay friends dislike her and don't feel she represents them at all.... a point I know a few people on this site agree with, and something ernest sewell was very vocal about when he posted here)... but let's not pretend it's for anything other than chasing that pink dollar and being a self-proclaimed figurehead.

she had the support of the LGBT community BEFORE she started deliberately pandering to them.

Militant said:

Spinlight said:

Won't someone think of the heterosexuals?

The irony is that by trying so hard to be inclusive she's becoming exclusive. I have no problem with her, or anyone making songs for their gay audience (although funnily enough all my gay friends dislike her and don't feel she represents them at all.... a point I know a few people on this site agree with, and something ernest sewell was very vocal about when he posted here)... but let's not pretend it's for anything other than chasing that pink dollar and being a self-proclaimed figurehead.

she had the support of the LGBT community BEFORE she started deliberately pandering to them.

Gay people don't need someone to pander to them, nor do gay people feel especially pandered to simply because someone writes a song about accepting LGBT issues. Why would anyone assume she is representative of all ____? She isn't. Nobody is. She is not being held to a standard anyone else is not held to. She lives up to her audience's expectations most of the time and that's why her shit stays imperial 9 times out of 10.

Now, if that doesn't resonate with some people then that is quite okay. Chasing that dollar would NOT mean becoming exclusive in her inclusivity. If she was so desperate to cling to the dollar, she wouldn't be making declarations of any sort. If acceptance is a tough pill to swallow, I can see how her material would be "grating"...

I don't think Prince was being inclusively exclusive to people when he started singing rap songs, calling his listener "nigga". One of his most critically acclaimed albums of recent memory is themed after the New Testament interpreted by a fringe faction of a religion. He was just speaking his truth. I see this as her speaking hers. If this is what she feels she should be putting out there, let it rip. I hardly think that any gay people who are secure with themselves would be OFFENDED by her words and it's truly only the fault of the small minded listeners who peg "Born This Way" as a gay anthem. It's an anthem for any minority. This is explicitly stated in the song.

Spinlight said:

Militant said:

The irony is that by trying so hard to be inclusive she's becoming exclusive. I have no problem with her, or anyone making songs for their gay audience (although funnily enough all my gay friends dislike her and don't feel she represents them at all.... a point I know a few people on this site agree with, and something ernest sewell was very vocal about when he posted here)... but let's not pretend it's for anything other than chasing that pink dollar and being a self-proclaimed figurehead.

she had the support of the LGBT community BEFORE she started deliberately pandering to them.

Gay people don't need someone to pander to them, nor do gay people feel especially pandered to simply because someone writes a song about accepting LGBT issues. Why would anyone assume she is representative of all ____? She isn't. Nobody is. She is not being held to a standard anyone else is not held to. She lives up to her audience's expectations most of the time and that's why her shit stays imperial 9 times out of 10.

Now, if that doesn't resonate with some people then that is quite okay. Chasing that dollar would NOT mean becoming exclusive in her inclusivity. If she was so desperate to cling to the dollar, she wouldn't be making declarations of any sort. If acceptance is a tough pill to swallow, I can see how her material would be "grating"...

I don't think Prince was being inclusively exclusive to people when he started singing rap songs, calling his listener "nigga". One of his most critically acclaimed albums of recent memory is themed after the New Testament interpreted by a fringe faction of a religion. He was just speaking his truth. I see this as her speaking hers. If this is what she feels she should be putting out there, let it rip. I hardly think that any gay people who are secure with themselves would be OFFENDED by her words and it's truly only the fault of the small minded listeners who peg "Born This Way" as a gay anthem. It's an anthem for any minority. This is explicitly stated in the song.

Of course they don't, and that's the point. It comes across as contrived. It's very deliberate. It's very obvious. It wasn't an accident. When she goes up at award shows and says "this ones for MY gays" etc etc etc, it's pandering. There's no assumption about her being representative, but that's the undercurrent of what she's doing right now and it's EXTREMELY obvious. It's the common theme. Maybe it's her truth, maybe she's not doing it on purpose, but right now.... that is how it seems. It seems she wants to be seen as the spokesperson of people who feel "different" or discriminated against. Again - maybe it's not deliberate. But a lot of people from all different backgrounds right now believe it's a very contrived, very obvious stunt. Maybe we're all super cynical, I don't know. But it seems like a ploy. That doesn't mean it's not a genuine feeling on her part, but even gay people I know are frustrated by the feeling that she's trying to be some sort of self-proclaimed masthead for all of them. And I'm a fan but I do see the point they're making and I don't see a need to invalidate their feelings or tell them they're wrong.

And for the record, TRC is probably my least favorite Prince album too. I'm not into hearing preaching or scripture, that IS exclusive too, not just to religious people but even more explicitly to the JW's. I don't have to tell you that it's one of the most derided albums on here for that very reason. You know that just as well as anybody. There's a reason why Prince didn't pursue that path any further after that album and went back to making all inclusive commercial pop music with "Musicology" and particularly "3121".

I don't consider BTW a "gay anthem" but it still panders to that audience regardless. There is a difference, albeit a nuanced one.

She just tweeted that she's "riding around with the booklet".

Guess that really IS the final cover. Major WTFLOL.

Timmy84 said:

lazycrockett said:

Anyone who thinks this is somehow camp, is a slap in the face to real camp.

This is shit.

That goes with Crapbert saying "glampy" or some shit about a year ago.

What’s with you mentioning dude? for someone who don’t like him you sure talk about him A LOT. And funny thing when I saw this cover I thought of him lmao.

Militant said:

I gotta say the religious undertones are beginning to grate.

First with the "god makes no mistakes" line in the chorus of "born this way" and now the second single being all about one jesus's disciples.....it's funny because gaga thinks she's some sort of all-inclusive role model but when you do stuff like this, you're being exclusive to western religious philosophy. It's becoming obvious that she went to a catholic school, and it's a little unnerving.

I don't recall there being any religious references in "just dance", "poker face", "paparazzi", "telephone", "bad romance"..... they were just good songs. no pandering to certain demographics either, the way "born this way" is a blatant pander to the LGBT community.

My cousin said "rather than widening her scope, she's limiting it".

I come from a religious family and I don’t even like her talking about it in her music it’s turning me off a little.

...Am I the only one who REALLY likes that album cover?

armpit said:

...Am I the only one who REALLY likes that album cover?

no, i like it too...when an artist gets really big, they always get a lot of criticisim...that's just the way it is

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Militant said:

SEANMAN said:

Hey, she's right...

I'm an atheist so it means absolutely nothing to me. Might as well say "flying pink panda is always right". I wouldn't sing along to that either because it just sounds stupid.

I hate that line too. Besides, if there is a God he's either a psycho or he's nice and makes mistakes. Prince's clover-headed baby was definitely some kind of mistake. Babies aren't supposed to be "born that way." If it wasn't a mistake, then God is just really mean.

Militant said:

Spinlight said:

Gay people don't need someone to pander to them, nor do gay people feel especially pandered to simply because someone writes a song about accepting LGBT issues. Why would anyone assume she is representative of all ____? She isn't. Nobody is. She is not being held to a standard anyone else is not held to. She lives up to her audience's expectations most of the time and that's why her shit stays imperial 9 times out of 10.

Now, if that doesn't resonate with some people then that is quite okay. Chasing that dollar would NOT mean becoming exclusive in her inclusivity. If she was so desperate to cling to the dollar, she wouldn't be making declarations of any sort. If acceptance is a tough pill to swallow, I can see how her material would be "grating"...

I don't think Prince was being inclusively exclusive to people when he started singing rap songs, calling his listener "nigga". One of his most critically acclaimed albums of recent memory is themed after the New Testament interpreted by a fringe faction of a religion. He was just speaking his truth. I see this as her speaking hers. If this is what she feels she should be putting out there, let it rip. I hardly think that any gay people who are secure with themselves would be OFFENDED by her words and it's truly only the fault of the small minded listeners who peg "Born This Way" as a gay anthem. It's an anthem for any minority. This is explicitly stated in the song.

Of course they don't, and that's the point. It comes across as contrived. It's very deliberate. It's very obvious. It wasn't an accident. When she goes up at award shows and says "this ones for MY gays" etc etc etc, it's pandering. There's no assumption about her being representative, but that's the undercurrent of what she's doing right now and it's EXTREMELY obvious. It's the common theme. Maybe it's her truth, maybe she's not doing it on purpose, but right now.... that is how it seems. It seems she wants to be seen as the spokesperson of people who feel "different" or discriminated against. Again - maybe it's not deliberate. But a lot of people from all different backgrounds right now believe it's a very contrived, very obvious stunt. Maybe we're all super cynical, I don't know. But it seems like a ploy. That doesn't mean it's not a genuine feeling on her part, but even gay people I know are frustrated by the feeling that she's trying to be some sort of self-proclaimed masthead for all of them. And I'm a fan but I do see the point they're making and I don't see a need to invalidate their feelings or tell them they're wrong.

And for the record, TRC is probably my least favorite Prince album too. I'm not into hearing preaching or scripture, that IS exclusive too, not just to religious people but even more explicitly to the JW's. I don't have to tell you that it's one of the most derided albums on here for that very reason. You know that just as well as anybody. There's a reason why Prince didn't pursue that path any further after that album and went back to making all inclusive commercial pop music with "Musicology" and particularly "3121".

I don't consider BTW a "gay anthem" but it still panders to that audience regardless. There is a difference, albeit a nuanced one.

No, that isn't the point. You are trying to ascribe some special meaning where there isn't. There's songs about straight people fucking and doing whatever they want all over the charts and you don't see gay people complaining that its pandering to young straight kids, etc. If an artist who is black gets a top 10 hit, is that because the majority has deigned to allow it? NO. People GENUINELY support the rights of minorities and no amount of attempts to sully that concept will stifle it. "It couldn't possibly be that they support the message - it has to be a ploy to chase a pink dollar." Whatever that means, and I'm eternally flattered you call it a pink dollar. You're way too heteronormative to get it and that's cool. But perhaps you should not so blindly support such basic and tired ideaologies.

If the message was closing doors to her, that is news to me and everyone else in the world. Born This Way is poised to be her biggest hit yet with 2 record-selling singles right out the gate.

Militant said:

She just tweeted that she's "riding around with the booklet".

Guess that really IS the final cover. Major WTFLOL.

Oh well. Thumbs down.

Spinlight said:

No, that isn't the point. You are trying to ascribe some special meaning where there isn't. There's songs about straight people fucking and doing whatever they want all over the charts and you don't see gay people complaining that its pandering to young straight kids, etc. If an artist who is black gets a top 10 hit, is that because the majority has deigned to allow it? NO. People GENUINELY support the rights of minorities and no amount of attempts to sully that concept will stifle it. "It couldn't possibly be that they support the message - it has to be a ploy to chase a pink dollar." Whatever that means, and I'm eternally flattered you call it a pink dollar. You're way too heteronormative to get it and that's cool. But perhaps you should not so blindly support such basic and tired ideaologies.

If the message was closing doors to her, that is news to me and everyone else in the world. Born This Way is poised to be her biggest hit yet with 2 record-selling singles right out the gate.

I'm not trying to ascribe a special meaning. It's called an opinion. Songs about straight people fucking all over the charts? Where? Name something in the Billboard 100 right now that is explicitly and obviously just about "straight people fucking" because I fail to see one.

You're putting words into my mouth. Did I say ONCE that she doesn't support the message? Did I say ONCE that I thought she wasn't genuine with it? NO. That still leaves room for it to be a DELIBERATE pander to a certain crowd. It's NOT that hard to understand. The POINT is that it's becoming exclusive. Did the gay crowd not support her before? Of course they did otherwise she wouldn't be in a position to pander to them. Her trying to position herself as some sort of leader for LGBT's is unnecessary and tiresome, and a bunch of them don't even like her that much anyway. Kylie has more support from that community worldwide by a long shot and she doesn't feel the need to position herself as such.

And LMFAO at heteronormative - you know nothing about me. certainly not enough to ASSUME that's my perspective. I can tell you RIGHT now that my exact opinion is shared by a bunch of gay friends I have both online and off.... I guess their opinion is "heteronormative" too?

And it's not about short term success. Watch what happens over the years - "Born This Way" will (and already has) tail off on radio and in clubs because of it's pandering. I STILL hear "Just Dance", "Pokerface", "Bad Romance" and "Telephone" on radio and in the clubs more than "Born This Way". I predict in 2 years you'll still hear those tunes dropping and you won't hear "Born This Way". Because those songs are all-inclusive pop songs that aren't playing up to certain segments of the crowd. And it's not just a sexuality thing, either. See how many people across the world who weren't raised on western religious philosophy sing along to lyrics like "god makes no mistakes". Betcha they don't. Again, it's not all-inclusive.