MickyDolenz said:

Timmy84 said:

You know how the media likes to generalize? They ALWAYS compared what happened YEARS ago and think no one's doing it because "everyone has a laptop, everyone has an iPod, everyone has a desktop, everybody is doing this with one click of a mouse."

Uh...no.

Yeah, a lot of these people are forced to go to the public library or pay at some "internet cafe" or Kinko's to do their business. They have to sign up and wait a long time for a computer at a library. If they live in a small town or rural area, there's no library at all, and they're just stuck out.

Like where I live at.

Timmy84 said:

Like where I live at.

It's kind of like people are punished because they don't "get with the times" for whatever reason. It's similar to when missionaries or businesses go into areas where so-called "primative" people live and tell them their way of life is wrong and try to "Westernize" them.

MickyDolenz said:

Timmy84 said:

Like where I live at.

It's kind of like people are punished because they don't "get with the times" for whatever reason. It's similar to when missionaries or businesses go into areas where so-called "primative" people live and tell them their way of life is wrong and try to "Westernize" them.

And then when they do get "Westernized", "it's the end of our civilization". I've noticed that hypocrisy for years now.

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2freaky4church1 said:

I hate to say it but Michael Jackson did. He made it hip to make dance videos with big budgets, lots of dancers, so that little artists could not compete.

MJ is the cause. Sorry to say, but true.

LMAO!

Timmy84 said:

babybugz said:

Taking credit for my answer I’m happy to inspire you though.

I said this site ruined it a page back.

Whatever makes you sleep at night lol

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

I said this site ruined it a page back.

Whatever makes you sleep at night lol

Whatever. Take it as great minds thinking alive.

Timmy84 said:

babybugz said:

Whatever makes you sleep at night lol

Whatever. Take it as great minds thinking alive.

I’m just messing with you timmy this site need to get over it though. MY GOODNESS

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

Whatever. Take it as great minds thinking alive.

I’m just messing with you timmy this site need to get over it though. MY GOODNESS

I was too with the "whatever" lol.

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MickyDolenz said:

lastdecember said:

The thing is there is TONS of music going round, ALOT of older artists sell straight from their website

The thing with this is that not everyone has a computer. Some people who do have a computer don't shop online because of identity theft issues (or they don't have a credit card), nor do they download, or in some cases don't have the internet. So there is still an audience that has to do things the traditional way. Many people complain that a lot of places they look for jobs at don't give out paper applications anymore. People assume that everyone has a computer.

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oh i understand that totally, look i worked in this whole thing for a long time and walked away from it in 2006 knowing it was never going to find its way back. I can remember REPS from labels coming around to me every other week pushing new artists at me, but that was in the later 90's and very very early 2000's but then BOOM that stopped, no more promo being done, the REPS were vitrually gone from doing this kind of promo, it was that "overnight" that it all changed, but the seed was planted years before.

I totally understand that "computer" thing 100% and that was something i said for years and people kept saying that folks would just have to adapt or be left behind, literally that was their words. BUT labels didnt do research, when cd sales started to fall NO ONE realized that certain genre's and age groups were still holding their own and in some cases increasing, but no one marketed towards them, instead LABELS once again raised list prices to the music stores thus killing them off once and for all, NOW to consumers they walk into a music store like Tower or Sam Goody and saw 16.99 or 13.99 for a new cd and said " fuck this theyre greedy" and walked out and got that same disc for 9 dollars at Best Buy. Now to explain why that is the way pricing is set up to the average person and they dont get the BUSINESS of it, a music store that sells music only cant take a huge hit, a list price to a store back when i was still doing that side of things was about an average of 11.78-12 dollars for a new release, now HOW can a music store sell all the new stuff at 9 dollars?? and also pay people, kept lights on and pay their own rents for the property, but NO ONE wanted to hear that, they just saw the price and walked, well, honestly i say now like i said then YOU GET what u paid for, now people bitch about Best Buy because they never have their new cd, guess why, they arent a music store and they NOW feel the crunch of losing 2-3 dollars each cd, that is why a majority of NEW releases are now 13.99 in Best Buy, or someone like Britney Spears cd was 7.99 and then jumped to 11 and will be 13 next week, cause its a huge loss, that they cant manage anymore which is why they have downsized all their locations with cd's and music dvds.

Now i know u might think this isnt an answer to your point BUT it is, the labels didnt keep the consumer they had, which was the 25 and over crowd, they instead focused on the teen to 21 crowd which wasnt BUYING for long, maybe early on, but once the net opened so wide, they were gone, a teen today has a cell phone at birth and bills by the time they are 10 DO u honestly think they are going to PAY for music, no they are going to take it.

This crunch was going to happen when technology became so easy to work with, most of us had the new Britney Spears a month before it was out, i just got the MYA emailed to me in a file from Overseas and the album isnt out for about a month and never coming out here in America, not saying this is right or wrong, but WE all allowed this to happen. So now like i said we are left with the pieces to sift through and to find what we want to keep.

Again i understand your point of computers and the net, and how everyone cant get this stuff, i said that years ago and no one wanted to listen, i also said that YOU CANT expect downloading even legal to be the only way, because you arent switching from album to tape to cd, you are going into an area of digital and technology, where we all have differences, some have slow computers some have fast some dont have access and some do, you cant expect that your sales will naturally just transfer over, they wont, thats why in the last 8 years the sales have dropped close to 60% overall.

novabrkr said:

spacedolphin said:

Nobody killed the music. But protools, the pitch shift plug-in for audacity and the people who created the internetz killed the industry

I find the thought of the pitch shift plug-in audacity having something to do with it quite funny, but I don't really get it. What do you mean by that?

Using it to alter semi-tones on a song so it could be uploaded to youtube (and other sites) and get around the copyright filter

spacedolphin said:

novabrkr said:

I find the thought of the pitch shift plug-in audacity having something to do with it quite funny, but I don't really get it. What do you mean by that?

Using it to alter semi-tones on a song so it could be uploaded to youtube (and other sites) and get around the copyright filter

Even if YT takes my shit down, I'll be back bitches under a new name.

But for now, it's up and they can't do anything about it... for now.

Besides I got a few popular YT videos anyway (the Teddy/Gap Band/Marvin/Patti ones...).

Show me a talented band and a good project, I'll show u my $15.00

Timmy84 said:

Even if YT takes my shit down, I'll be back bitches under a new name.

But for now, it's up and they can't do anything about it... for now.

Besides I got a few popular YT videos anyway (the Teddy/Gap Band/Marvin/Patti ones...).

2freaky4church1 said:

I hate to say it but Michael Jackson did. He made it hip to make dance videos with big budgets, lots of dancers, so that little artists could not compete.

MJ is the cause. Sorry to say, but true.

This is my response whenever someone makes this claim. Think of this as Michael Jackson.

Bulldog said:

If the CD was not invented, this thread would not have been invented.

The music industry killed the music industry as well as consumers. Trash would not keep being exposed if people were not buying or paying attention to it. This formula works now since it pulls in more cash.

spacedolphin said:

novabrkr said:

I find the thought of the pitch shift plug-in audacity having something to do with it quite funny, but I don't really get it. What do you mean by that?

Using it to alter semi-tones on a song so it could be uploaded to youtube (and other sites) and get around the copyright filter

Oh, I actually thought you might have meant that. I just didn't think doing something like that would really matter and not make it a copyright infringement.

As has been said already, the American music industry killed itself. Thank God for music from other countries....

Some of the favorite artists on here [who shall not be named; don't want to be ganged up on ] are the ones that 'killed' the industry. They're the reason why these industry heads are looking for the next sensation with little to no talent but look good and can stir up controversy with gimmicks. Now it's so easy to be the next sensation. All you need to do is look good for the camera, have some dancing ability and a group of savvy producers & writers then you're a star.

kenny88 said:

Some of the favorite artists on here [who shall not be named; don't want to be ganged up on ] are the ones that 'killed' the industry. They're the reason why these industry heads are looking for the next sensation with little to no talent but look good and can stir up controversy with gimmicks. Now it's so easy to be the next sensation. All you need to do is look good for the camera, have some dancing ability and a group of savvy producers & writers then you're a star.

Its friyday its fryday gonna get in a car gonna be a star my rich parents made it so now i am on video my dumbass friens can't dance should i give them half a chance its fryday no wait or is it sunday? don't know i'm confused do you know the difference? I gtta tweet now bye