It doesn't matter. Beyonce would still be #1.

musicjunky318 said:

It doesn't matter. Beyonce would still be #1.

its so funny you brought up black women being jealous throwing shade, when Ginuwine is a black man who made those statements about beyonce and Aaliyah.....

TotalAlisa said:

musicjunky318 said:

It doesn't matter. Beyonce would still be #1.

its so funny you brought up black women being jealous throwing shade, when Ginuwine is a black man who made those statements about beyonce and Aaliyah.....

I didn't say anything incorrect.

I don't care about popularity. For my money, Aaliyah was way better than Beyonce and she always will be.

musicjunky318 said:

TotalAlisa said:

its so funny you brought up black women being jealous throwing shade, when Ginuwine is a black man who made those statements about beyonce and Aaliyah.....

I didn't say anything incorrect.

YEAH OKAY...

you don't know what you are talking about. When you have black women, the main ones who run out and buy beyonce's merchandise and clothing... you can't use that WEAK jealousy excuse, cause there is NOTHING to back that up.

Aaliyah was absolutely not anywhere near being "a major star" before her death especially compared to her peers. I remember that era clearly. Shit I remember exactly what I was doing when the news broke that she had died. I was on the internet reading message boards

I personally think she would have ventured into acting a lot more and most likely put music on the backburner. She was a good actress.

Essayvee said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

No one is gonna sing a song just like Janet, and I wouldn't want them to. My point is, none of her songs are "challenging". No one is gonna say "oh I don't think I can hit that note on this Janet record"

I would disagree with that, for me Janet sings really high, and i cant hit some notes.

Can you sing?

Militant said:

Aaliyah was absolutely not anywhere near being "a major star" before her death especially compared to her peers. I remember that era clearly. Shit I remember exactly what I was doing when the news broke that she had died. I was on the internet reading message boards

I personally think she would have ventured into acting a lot more and most likely put music on the backburner. She was a good actress.

I remember it too. The fact she was getting new movie roles, being interviewed by more mainstream audiences, scheduled AWARD show performance for the vmas, definetly says she was ON THE RIGHT PATH. I'm not saying she was a Mega super star when she died, but she was on the path. WNAR bombed on the charts, but the album debuted and sold decent for a first single flop and shitty promotion.. It slipped a few spots, but when RTB impacted radio the album was moving back up and the album still had a sheer chance.

Oh well. Neither of us have a crystal ball to see what would have REALLY happened.

Curtwill1975 said:

Essayvee said:

I would disagree with that, for me Janet sings really high, and i cant hit some notes.

Janet don't have range, or power, but she has a "high sitting" voice.

Her range is just as wide as some of the critical acclaimed singers and she has power when she wants to.

NDRU said:

But in the spirit of the thread, I think Beyonce is a better singer, better dancer, and is prettier, but I like Aaliyah more and would rather listen to her music more.

Personally, I think that Beyonce does too much yelling, screaming, cracking, and straining. When I hear her sing, live or recorded, it's like my ear drums start to bleed. Aaliyah was no powerhouse singer, but she was a lot more pleasing to the ear.

Unholyalliance said:

NDRU said:

But in the spirit of the thread, I think Beyonce is a better singer, better dancer, and is prettier, but I like Aaliyah more and would rather listen to her music more.

Personally, I think that Beyonce does too much yelling, screaming, cracking, and straining. When I hear her sing, live or recorded, it's like my ear drums start to bleed. Aaliyah was no powerhouse singer, but she was a lot more pleasing to the ear.

yes, I agree, I think beyonce is better on paper, but in reality I don't enjoy her music at all, but I have enjoyed aaliyah's

I still miss Aaliyah. That's really all I've got to say about it.

NDRU said:

MickyDolenz said:

I don't know what this has to do with anything (I could not be bothered to read this whole thread) but I enjoyed that video.

Don't bother, you'll be wasting your time. Nothing in this thread is about anything, so the video is just as relevant as all the rest of it.

trueiopian said:

Curtwill1975 said:

Janet don't have range, or power, but she has a "high sitting" voice.

Her range is just as wide as some of the critical acclaimed singers and she has power when she wants to.

musicjunky318 said:

Baloney.

Aaliyah's death made her ridiculously overrated. It's amazing what a tragic death will do to someone's legacy. A threat to who? The album was bombing before she left us and even after it she only managed to go double platinum. Destiny's Child, Usher, Jennifer Lopez, Britney Spears, and Janet Jackson all released albums that same year (2001) and still outsold her. What does that tell you? In the 90s, Brandy and Monica both had bigger success. And look at their sales now. What would have made Aaliyah so different? This is complete nonsense.

The fact that she's good, perhaps?

Moonbeam said:

musicjunky318 said:

Baloney.

Aaliyah's death made her ridiculously overrated. It's amazing what a tragic death will do to someone's legacy. A threat to who? The album was bombing before she left us and even after it she only managed to go double platinum. Destiny's Child, Usher, Jennifer Lopez, Britney Spears, and Janet Jackson all released albums that same year (2001) and still outsold her. What does that tell you? In the 90s, Brandy and Monica both had bigger success. And look at their sales now. What would have made Aaliyah so different? This is complete nonsense.

The fact that she's good, perhaps?

So she was exceptionally talented compared to all those that were out there that flop now right? Brandy, Monica...Why aren't they doing well? They aren't as special as Aaliyah?

I'm done. Sayonara.

Aaliyah was too humble to even be in competition with Beyonce from the jump. They were friends and Aaliyah used to be with Destinys Child all the time (she would watch and even start and stop the track for them while they rehearsed) Beyonce may have the vocal range, but Aaliyah was well-rounded and was able to illuminate a room with her presence. She was pushing more towards acting. These are some of the films she was considered for before passing

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Charlie's Angels
Aaliyah was considered to play Alex but they thought she was too young.
Actor who got the part: Lucy Liu

Dreamgirls
She was to play the lead role to a version of the script E. Lynn Harris wrote.
Actor who got the part: Beyonce Knowles

Get Over It
Aaliyah was considered for the part of Maggie but it conflicted with scheduling for Romeo Must Die.
Actor who got the part: Zoe Saldana

Honey
Aaliyah was orginally cast for the role of Honey.
Actor who got the part: Jessica Alba

Josie and the Pussycats
Aaliyah was the first choice to play Valerie but she was already committed to play the lead in Queen of the Damned.
Actor who got the part: Rosario Dawson

The Matrix Reloaded
Aaliyah was signed on to play the role of Zee but was killed in a plane crash.
Actor who got the part: Nona Gaye

The Matrix Revolutions
Aaliyah was set to play Zee.
Actor who got the part: Nona Gaye

Osmosis Jones
Aaliyah was considered for the the voice of Leah which eventually went to Brandy Norwood.
Actor who got the part: Brandy Norwood

Sparkle

Aaliyah was set to play the role of Sister but passed away before filming began, however she did record a song for the OST called "Giving Up", which is a Donnie Hathaway remake and also the song Sister performed in the original film.

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I liked Aaliyah because she was different. She was always super chill. She wore black a lot. She owned snakes. The music she made with Tim didn't sound like what anybody else was doing (most of it still doesn't). She just generally seemed to be on her own thing and not really worried about how it compared to anybody else. It doesn't really matter to me whether or not she had a better voice than Beyonce, or anyone else. Since I haven't read the quote from Ginuwine I'm not sure that he meant to make that comparison either. I'd bet it was more about what level of success, or "fame", she would have achieved. And in that regard, he may be right. But, ya know, she's dead. So there really isn't any point in arguing about it.

Timmy84 said:

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Great pic.

Aaliyah was a different type of singer than Beyonce. You really can't compare the two vocally. And why would you? I will say that Aaliyah's death did have an impact on Urban music, because she pretty much held the genre's "sweetheart status". And labels starting signing every female that they could in hopes of finding her replacement. But, wasn't she at a point where she was ready to branch into movies, anyway. Whose to say that she what she would be doing if she was still here?

Going back to the Beyonce. She did sorta capitalize on the "sweetheart" thing, but unlike Aaliyah, she does feel an extreme need to stay in people's face. I'm glad that she has decided to sit it out for a minute. Beyonce is a very driven young lady, not to say that Aaliyah wasn't, but Aaliyah was definitely more laidback.

Aaliyah was a very humble person...and it was a GENUINE humbleness. I not only liked her as an artist, but as a person. She wasn't an "in-your-face, I'm so great I gotta mention it in every song I make" type of person and she did her own thing (if she were still alive today and still making music, I don't think she'd be chasing the electronica [GAGA)] trend). And I personally think Aaliyah was the better dancer. She had a fluidity that made her dancing seem effortless, while Beyonce constantly looks like she's having a seizure. Her voice may not have been powerhouse, but it was quite pleasing to the ear. Vocal runs and gymnastics (aka yellin', screamin', screechin' ) lose their touch after the 100th song. And as far as acting goes? NO COMPARISON.

musicjunky318 said:

Moonbeam said:

The fact that she's good, perhaps?

So she was exceptionally talented compared to all those that were out there that flop now right? Brandy, Monica...Why aren't they doing well? They aren't as special as Aaliyah?

I'm done. Sayonara.

Well for one, Monica isn't even a flop anymore. She made a strong comeback with "Still Standing". I thought you of all people would know that since record sales are "so important" to you (typical brit stan). she had the highest selling female R & b album last year, second to Alicia. Now we are just waiting on Brandy's comeback. And again, Aaliyah would probably be ahead of them now because in the 2000's Aaliyah's career was IN FACT progressing better than Brandy and Monica's. If you look back then Both of their careers were stalling at that point while Aaliyah was making bigger moves and advancements. She could have lasted a bit longer because she was better looking and could dance (that always helps). Brandy's career was totally based off of Moesha and after that show went off so did her career. and Monica,she rode the Brandy waves with the duet, but even then her album couldn't even outsell Aaliyah's "flop" album that you claim. (But Monica was so huge, right).

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Pressure said:

musicjunky318 said:

So she was exceptionally talented compared to all those that were out there that flop now right? Brandy, Monica...Why aren't they doing well? They aren't as special as Aaliyah?

I'm done. Sayonara.

Well for one, Monica isn't even a flop anymore. She made a strong comeback with "Still Standing". I thought you of all people would know that since record sales are "so important" to you (typical brit stan). she had the highest selling female R & b album last year, second to Alicia. Now we are just waiting on Brandy's comeback. And again, Aaliyah would probably be ahead of them now because in the 2000's Aaliyah's career was IN FACT progressing better than Brandy and Monica's. If you look back then Both of their careers were stalling at that point while Aaliyah was making bigger moves and advancements. She could have lasted a bit longer because she was better looking and could dance (that always helps). Brandy's career was totally based off of Moesha and after that show went off so did her career. and Monica,she rode the Brandy waves with the duet, but even then her album couldn't even outsell Aaliyah's "flop" album that you claim. (But Monica was so huge, right).

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Well, the problem with Monica has always been that the music industry and the media love to play what I refer to as the "let's put this and that game." It has absolutely nothing to do with talent. We all know that Monica could sing both Brandy and Aaliyah underneath a table, but both were considered industry "sweethearts". Both had a softer image than Monica. Same is true with Christina and Britney. Think about it this way...both Alicia and Fantasia had affairs with attached men, yet Fantasia went through media hell while Alicia didn't. Again, a case of who is considered before hand to be the "darling". The overall truth of the matter is that Aaliyah is gone. We do not know how her career would have progress with any certainty. Did anyone predict Britney meltdown? She was huge when she came out, right? Ok, we'll will never know and there's no point in speculation.

Both are overated. Except Aaliyah was finer....

I will say this though, only reason Beyonce is famous is because of her Daddy and her thighs.

True...

EmbattledWarrior said:

Both are overated. Except Aaliyah was finer....

I will say this though, only reason Beyonce is famous is because of her Daddy and her thighs.

True...

Let's face it, at the end of the day, it's about the overall package. Looks get you in the door, but unless you have to have something that will allow you to stay in the room. I mean, Beyonce isn't a complete loss when it comes to talent. Performance-wise the girl must be doing something right, because I don't care how beautiful, sexy, whatever she is...she ain't selling out concerts solely on her looks.

mimi02 said:

EmbattledWarrior said:

Both are overated. Except Aaliyah was finer....

I will say this though, only reason Beyonce is famous is because of her Daddy and her thighs.

True...

Let's face it, at the end of the day, it's about the overall package. Looks get you in the door, but unless you have to have something that will allow you to stay in the room. I mean, Beyonce isn't a complete loss when it comes to talent. Performance-wise the girl must be doing something right, because I don't care how beautiful, sexy, whatever she is...she ain't selling out concerts solely on her looks.

i never said she didn't have talent.

She is no doubt a good performer.

My bag is with people who don't pay their dues to the industry. Which she didn't

She never fought for anything. She was lucky to have a daddy in the industry who could pimp her out.

But is she something special, to be praised by everyone?

Of course not.

She's like any other performer. And there are a million people better than her that do pay their dues, just don't have the nepotism to fall back on.

She's a Pseudo-Diva and a Faux Song-Writer.

trueiopian said:

Sorry but Aaliyah is so overrated. Can someone explain to me what is so significant about her contribution to music? I understand that her sudden passing was a shock to the music world but the way people go on about her is as if she otherworldly.

Even her self-titled album wasn't even doing that well prior to her passing. I don't get all the hype. People should give it a rest already.

I used to be obsessed with Aaliyah 2 years ago, But now that I think about, What did aaliyah do that Janet didnt already do?

I mean seriously, it's like they try to put her and Janet on the same level or something!

I was reading this interview on ciara Aaliyah and Janet and the Interviewer was questioning ciara on the Janet/Aaliyah Comparisons and he says

"Throughout the review, Nathan also pointed out how quick people are to compare you to artists of the past like Janet Jackson or Aaliyah. Now, I’m sure these are flattering compliments, because these two ladies have done serious things in the industry, but, deep down, do you get bothered by the constant comparisons, or is it just a compliment?"

What did Aaliyah do serious in the Industry? That JJ didnt already do?

I mean Janet already had the "Tomboy Look" Aaliyah had, she already had the sharp/smooth dance moves. I'm kinda confused here?

EmbattledWarrior said:

She was lucky to have a daddy in the industry who could pimp her out.

Matthew wasn't in the music industry, he was in the medical field. The only reason he is in the music field is because Destiny's Child became a success, the same as Joseph Jackson with the J5. So it was more Beyonce' gave him clout, not the other way around. It's the same with her mother Tina's clothing line, nobody would be checking for that. At least Joe played in bands before he started his sons' group. Matthew did nothing as far as music is concerned.