bboy87 said:

I checked on MJJC and "birchey" said that they've been working on the Bad anniversary set for a couple of months and that a DVD of the Bad Tour (possibly in London) will be included)

OFFICIAL BAD TOUR DVD!!? AHHHHH!!

Hope it's coming out soon...

bboy87 said:

motownlover said:

did anyone post these 'new song titles ?

Bang Your Head
Broken Chair
D.I.E.
Don’t Make Me Stay
H20
Lady of Summer
Red Eye
Silent Spring
Water

recorded with durham prince and theron feemster

http://lesliemjhu.blogspo...results=33

dont know if its real or not , anyway wil bad anniversary have bad tour dvd ? you read about all those people who worked with mike but there isnt much info about that possible dvd release. my expectations for new music are low that way i cant get disapoined again. i just want to have a propper bad tour dvd

I checked on MJJC and "birchey" said that they've been working on the Bad anniversary set for a couple of months and that a DVD of the Bad Tour (possibly in London) will be included)

*waits for "april fools!"*.....

scorp84 said:

bboy87 said:

I checked on MJJC and "birchey" said that they've been working on the Bad anniversary set for a couple of months and that a DVD of the Bad Tour (possibly in London) will be included)

*waits for "april fools!"*.....

That's what I was thinking when I read that again!

I'm not convinced, bboy, man.

[Edited 4/1/11 13:47pm]

Paris looks so beautiful. I want her hair.

scorp84 said:

bboy87 said:

I checked on MJJC and "birchey" said that they've been working on the Bad anniversary set for a couple of months and that a DVD of the Bad Tour (possibly in London) will be included)

*waits for "april fools!"*.....

Nah, bboy don't do april fools day it's one of my least favorite "holidays"

bboy87 said:

scorp84 said:

*waits for "april fools!"*.....

Nah, bboy don't do april fools day it's one of my least favorite "holidays"

Cool! Then i'll just wait

bboy87 said:

scorp84 said:

*waits for "april fools!"*.....

Nah, bboy don't do april fools day it's one of my least favorite "holidays"

for real and i suck at thinking of jokes...lol

bboy87 said:

scorp84 said:

*waits for "april fools!"*.....

Nah, bboy don't do april fools day it's one of my least favorite "holidays"

But yeah AF's sucks.

[Edited 4/1/11 15:48pm]

I hope Frank pulls through - not only for his own well being, but I couldn't handle all the conspiracy theorists suggesting "they" got to frank too - pur-lease!

Everything is an April fool’s joke in the Michael fandom lately.

Interview With Joe Vogel, Author of "Man in the Music:The Creative Live and Work of Michael Jackson

By Lauren Trainor Fri, Apr 01, 2011


In September 2011, Joe Vogel will release his new book, Man in the Music: The Creative Life and Work of Michael Jackson. Joe painstakingly researched Michael’s artistry for over five years, speaking with many people who knew and worked with Michael during his life. We have had brief glimpses into this highly anticipated book, most recently through Joe’s review and discussion of "Hollywood Tonight", in the Huffington Post.

Many of Michael’s fans and advocates, are well aware of the kinds of publications and touted ‘tell all’ books and articles, written by purported experts on Michael’s life and person. As we stay the course in the marathon of truth, we are finally able to anticipate a book that will reveal who this man really was through his lyrics and music- his deep commitment and dedication to his art; the basic inner core of Michael that reached out to all of us as he spoke of injustice, bigotry and the need to make a real change in the world, his love for all children, young and older, and his vision for a better tomorrow.

Please join together and thank Joe for his efforts and for sharing his thoughts in this interview.


Lauren: Joe, can you tell us about your background and how you became a writer?

Joe: I have always written. Actually, getting published took some time and figuring out -- I had my first book published in 2006 (ironically, I first submitted a very early version of my MJ book that year, but no one would publish it).

Lauren: I know you have published two books prior to Man in the Music. Can you tell us a little about them?


Joe: The first one, Free Speech 101, narrates the firestorm that erupted when I invited filmmaker Michael Moore to speak at a very conservative university. It's an exploration of people's fears, polarization, intolerance, censorship, etc. I was 23 at the time, and received all kinds of attacks, bribes, death threats, etc. simply for inviting someone to speak with different views. The second book, The Obama Movement, is a collection of essays about the youth movement Barack Obama inspired in his run for president.

Lauren: When did you become interested in Michael's music?

Joe: I discovered Michael Jackson when I was about 7-8 years old. I wore out my VHS of The Legend Continues; I watched it so many times. The first time I saw the Motown 25 performance, I was absolutely floored. It had a huge impact on me. My musical interests evolved in all kinds of directions since then; Michael was about the only artist that stuck from childhood on because I could continue to appreciate his work on new levels.




Lauren: What prompted you to take on the challenges in writing this book and investing five years to research it?

Joe: Well, to be honest, I had no clue of the scope of what I was taking on when I started. I began in the midst of his trial because I was frustrated with the degree to which people had forgotten -- or just never really understood -- his artistic genius. The plan was just to provide interpretations of his songs, and it evolved from there.

Lauren: When you spoke with people who knew or worked with Michael, did you find common experiences and impressions that they had about him?

Joe: People loved working with Michael; they loved his passion and joy, his desire to innovate and just create great work. Starting around the time of the BAD album, his collaborators could sense a newfound confidence and autonomy in carrying out his creative vision.

Lauren: Do you have a particular favorite track, and why?

Joe: Growing up it was songs like "Billie Jean" and "Man in the Mirror." Now, I tend to enjoy more of his obscure tracks. My favorite album currently is HIStory. I think it's a masterpiece and will be recognized as such down the line.

Lauren: In the history of modern music, where would you place Michael in importance and cultural influence?

Joe: Culturally, I think Michael ranks alongside the Beatles. I believe he's ahead of Elvis. Michael and the Beatles were not only enormous in their respective eras, but their music has the kind of depth and diversity required to inspire generation after generation.





Lauren: How much of the man do you find in the music? Did your impressions and beliefs in who he was change in any way?

Joe: Michael believed the best way people could understand him was through his art. I found that to be the case. Everything essential comes out in his work.

Lauren: Was there anything you learned while doing your research that surprised you? How did that affect you?

Joe: There were many surprises. What happens is when you really focus on an individual song and album, layer after layer after layer reveals itself. I could have written entire books on each album.

Lauren: I understand that you teach at the University of Rochester. How do your students react to your insights into tracks like "Man in the Mirror" or "Black or White"? Do you find high interest and response from them to any one particular release or short film?

Joe: My students have really enjoyed learning about Michael. So many important issues/ideas come out of his work. We often compare "Black or White" to Blake's, Songs of Innocence and Experience. I think much of MJ's work can be interpreted fruitfully through that lens where there is a constant tension/interplay between these contrary states.

Lauren: Have you had any resistance from your faculty, students or the parents of your students to what you teach about Michael and his music?

Joe: Not at all.

Lauren: What do you feel is the importance of continuing Michael's legacy? What do you see as the primary things that ordinary people can learn, and take away from his body of work?

Joe: My more complete answer to that question is in my book, but in short, I believe Michael's work is about liberation. He refused to accept the world as it is; he wanted it to be more aware, in tune, connected, fair, loving, creative, and free.

Lauren: How has your lengthy research affected you personally?

Joe: I am inspired by great artists and great art, so exploring one of the great artists of our time in this kind of depth has had a profound impact on me. It's taken a lot of time and sacrifice, but I feel lucky to have done it. It's been very rewarding.

Lauren: Are you aware of the hunger that fans have for positive, in-depth studies about Michael, and his work and contributions?

Joe: Absolutely! Michael's fans are often depicted as mindless and crazy. And while there are certainly some live up to the stereotype, the vast majorities I have come in contact with are thoughtful, intelligent, and eager to get beyond the celebrity infatuation to the art and the human being.


Lauren: What are your thoughts of Michael as a social activist?

Joe: Well, he obviously did a great deal and in a variety of ways. For all of his supposed narcissism, I can't think of another pop star who more consistently looked outward and genuinely tried to change the world. Has anyone from the entertainment world been a fiercer media critic; a stronger advocate for children? "Earth Song" in my opinion, is the most significant anthem of our age. Think of how prescient and powerful that song was (and continues to be).

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Lauren: Have you encountered negative responses to your endeavors or are you finding open minds and interest in your work?

Joe: There is always negativity, but I've been overwhelmed and humbled by how positive the reaction has been.

Lauren: How do you compare Michael with MJ's previous releases? Do you think his collaborators and friends got it right?

Joe: Posthumous albums will never compare to the albums MJ completed while alive. I would personally like to see all of his unfinished work released exactly as he left it, then, I don't mind what happens from there in terms of new mixes, remixes, etc. I like hearing different takes. Transparency is the key, especially when dealing with someone of Michael's historical import.

Lauren: Do you have an opinion on why the media have concentrated their efforts to report on all the perceived negative aspects of Michael's life, bypassing his artistic achievements, and all but ignoring his humanitarian efforts?

Joe: I talk about this a lot in the book. The reasons are complex, but essentially, Michael was so different and unique as both an artist and a person, that many people couldn't wrap their minds around him. He didn't fit into the boxes we like people to fit into. So instead they reduced him, caricatured him, exploited him, and denied him of his complexity, depth, humanity, and artistry.

Lauren: When you speak about how people and the media did not understand Michael, and how he was so unfairly treated and marginalized, what is your opinion on how the issue of racism may have been a factor?

Joe: I think there were certainly strains of racism. Even though he broke barriers on MTV and radio, there was still a double standard in terms of how predominantly white music critics assessed him and his work. He was often dismissed as a "commercial" entertainer rather than an artist, which is a stereotype with a long racial history. Same with the perception that he was a singer, but not a songwriter. Same with "dance music/R&B" vs. rock. The assumption from some critics is that black artists aren't as cerebral or creative. Some people, including executives, were also threatened by his enormous success and power, particularly after his acquisition of the Beatles/ATV catalog. Of course, it's more complicated than just race, but there is no question for me that race played a part.

Lauren: What do you think about the fans who have come together since Michael died, and their efforts to reinstate his character and name, and who are working hard to continue all aspects of his legacy?

Joe: Michael has a very impressive and effective fan base when they put their minds to something. For those who think of Michael as a mere celebrity or pop star, it speaks volumes that his fans continue to fight for all the causes that were important to him, from social justice to peace to media fairness to environmental issues to children's rights.




Lauren: And lastly, what do you hope your readers learn and appreciate about Michael, and his body of work as revealed through your book?

Joe: I want Michael to be recognized for what he was and is: one of the most significant artists of the past century. Hopefully the book gives people an in-depth window into why.

Joseph Vogel
Department of English
University of Rochester
Rush Rhees 324
Rochester, NY 14627

http://mjtpmagazine.presspublisher.us/issue/rising-from-the-ashes/article/interview-with-joe-vogel-author-of-man-in-the-music-the-creative-live-and-work-of-michael-jackson

bboy87 said:

Interview With Joe Vogel, Author of "Man in the Music:The Creative Live and Work of Michael Jackson

By Lauren Trainor Fri, Apr 01, 2011


In September 2011, Joe Vogel will release his new book, Man in the Music: The Creative Life and Work of Michael Jackson. Joe painstakingly researched Michael’s artistry for over five years, speaking with many people who knew and worked with Michael during his life. We have had brief glimpses into this highly anticipated book, most recently through Joe’s review and discussion of "Hollywood Tonight", in the Huffington Post.

Many of Michael’s fans and advocates, are well aware of the kinds of publications and touted ‘tell all’ books and articles, written by purported experts on Michael’s life and person. As we stay the course in the marathon of truth, we are finally able to anticipate a book that will reveal who this man really was through his lyrics and music- his deep commitment and dedication to his art; the basic inner core of Michael that reached out to all of us as he spoke of injustice, bigotry and the need to make a real change in the world, his love for all children, young and older, and his vision for a better tomorrow.

Please join together and thank Joe for his efforts and for sharing his thoughts in this interview.


Lauren: Joe, can you tell us about your background and how you became a writer?

Joe: I have always written. Actually, getting published took some time and figuring out -- I had my first book published in 2006 (ironically, I first submitted a very early version of my MJ book that year, but no one would publish it).

Lauren: I know you have published two books prior to Man in the Music. Can you tell us a little about them?


Joe: The first one, Free Speech 101, narrates the firestorm that erupted when I invited filmmaker Michael Moore to speak at a very conservative university. It's an exploration of people's fears, polarization, intolerance, censorship, etc. I was 23 at the time, and received all kinds of attacks, bribes, death threats, etc. simply for inviting someone to speak with different views. The second book, The Obama Movement, is a collection of essays about the youth movement Barack Obama inspired in his run for president.

Lauren: When did you become interested in Michael's music?

Joe: I discovered Michael Jackson when I was about 7-8 years old. I wore out my VHS of The Legend Continues; I watched it so many times. The first time I saw the Motown 25 performance, I was absolutely floored. It had a huge impact on me. My musical interests evolved in all kinds of directions since then; Michael was about the only artist that stuck from childhood on because I could continue to appreciate his work on new levels.




Lauren: What prompted you to take on the challenges in writing this book and investing five years to research it?

Joe: Well, to be honest, I had no clue of the scope of what I was taking on when I started. I began in the midst of his trial because I was frustrated with the degree to which people had forgotten -- or just never really understood -- his artistic genius. The plan was just to provide interpretations of his songs, and it evolved from there.

Lauren: When you spoke with people who knew or worked with Michael, did you find common experiences and impressions that they had about him?

Joe: People loved working with Michael; they loved his passion and joy, his desire to innovate and just create great work. Starting around the time of the BAD album, his collaborators could sense a newfound confidence and autonomy in carrying out his creative vision.

Lauren: Do you have a particular favorite track, and why?

Joe: Growing up it was songs like "Billie Jean" and "Man in the Mirror." Now, I tend to enjoy more of his obscure tracks. My favorite album currently is HIStory. I think it's a masterpiece and will be recognized as such down the line.

Lauren: In the history of modern music, where would you place Michael in importance and cultural influence?

Joe: Culturally, I think Michael ranks alongside the Beatles. I believe he's ahead of Elvis. Michael and the Beatles were not only enormous in their respective eras, but their music has the kind of depth and diversity required to inspire generation after generation.





Lauren: How much of the man do you find in the music? Did your impressions and beliefs in who he was change in any way?

Joe: Michael believed the best way people could understand him was through his art. I found that to be the case. Everything essential comes out in his work.

Lauren: Was there anything you learned while doing your research that surprised you? How did that affect you?

Joe: There were many surprises. What happens is when you really focus on an individual song and album, layer after layer after layer reveals itself. I could have written entire books on each album.

Lauren: I understand that you teach at the University of Rochester. How do your students react to your insights into tracks like "Man in the Mirror" or "Black or White"? Do you find high interest and response from them to any one particular release or short film?

Joe: My students have really enjoyed learning about Michael. So many important issues/ideas come out of his work. We often compare "Black or White" to Blake's, Songs of Innocence and Experience. I think much of MJ's work can be interpreted fruitfully through that lens where there is a constant tension/interplay between these contrary states.

Lauren: Have you had any resistance from your faculty, students or the parents of your students to what you teach about Michael and his music?

Joe: Not at all.

Lauren: What do you feel is the importance of continuing Michael's legacy? What do you see as the primary things that ordinary people can learn, and take away from his body of work?

Joe: My more complete answer to that question is in my book, but in short, I believe Michael's work is about liberation. He refused to accept the world as it is; he wanted it to be more aware, in tune, connected, fair, loving, creative, and free.

Lauren: How has your lengthy research affected you personally?

Joe: I am inspired by great artists and great art, so exploring one of the great artists of our time in this kind of depth has had a profound impact on me. It's taken a lot of time and sacrifice, but I feel lucky to have done it. It's been very rewarding.

Lauren: Are you aware of the hunger that fans have for positive, in-depth studies about Michael, and his work and contributions?

Joe: Absolutely! Michael's fans are often depicted as mindless and crazy. And while there are certainly some live up to the stereotype, the vast majorities I have come in contact with are thoughtful, intelligent, and eager to get beyond the celebrity infatuation to the art and the human being.


Lauren: What are your thoughts of Michael as a social activist?

Joe: Well, he obviously did a great deal and in a variety of ways. For all of his supposed narcissism, I can't think of another pop star who more consistently looked outward and genuinely tried to change the world. Has anyone from the entertainment world been a fiercer media critic; a stronger advocate for children? "Earth Song" in my opinion, is the most significant anthem of our age. Think of how prescient and powerful that song was (and continues to be).

Reduced: 68% of original size [ 750 x 500 ] - Click to view full image

Lauren: Have you encountered negative responses to your endeavors or are you finding open minds and interest in your work?

Joe: There is always negativity, but I've been overwhelmed and humbled by how positive the reaction has been.

Lauren: How do you compare Michael with MJ's previous releases? Do you think his collaborators and friends got it right?

Joe: Posthumous albums will never compare to the albums MJ completed while alive. I would personally like to see all of his unfinished work released exactly as he left it, then, I don't mind what happens from there in terms of new mixes, remixes, etc. I like hearing different takes. Transparency is the key, especially when dealing with someone of Michael's historical import.

Lauren: Do you have an opinion on why the media have concentrated their efforts to report on all the perceived negative aspects of Michael's life, bypassing his artistic achievements, and all but ignoring his humanitarian efforts?

Joe: I talk about this a lot in the book. The reasons are complex, but essentially, Michael was so different and unique as both an artist and a person, that many people couldn't wrap their minds around him. He didn't fit into the boxes we like people to fit into. So instead they reduced him, caricatured him, exploited him, and denied him of his complexity, depth, humanity, and artistry.

Lauren: When you speak about how people and the media did not understand Michael, and how he was so unfairly treated and marginalized, what is your opinion on how the issue of racism may have been a factor?

Joe: I think there were certainly strains of racism. Even though he broke barriers on MTV and radio, there was still a double standard in terms of how predominantly white music critics assessed him and his work. He was often dismissed as a "commercial" entertainer rather than an artist, which is a stereotype with a long racial history. Same with the perception that he was a singer, but not a songwriter. Same with "dance music/R&B" vs. rock. The assumption from some critics is that black artists aren't as cerebral or creative. Some people, including executives, were also threatened by his enormous success and power, particularly after his acquisition of the Beatles/ATV catalog. Of course, it's more complicated than just race, but there is no question for me that race played a part.

Lauren: What do you think about the fans who have come together since Michael died, and their efforts to reinstate his character and name, and who are working hard to continue all aspects of his legacy?

Joe: Michael has a very impressive and effective fan base when they put their minds to something. For those who think of Michael as a mere celebrity or pop star, it speaks volumes that his fans continue to fight for all the causes that were important to him, from social justice to peace to media fairness to environmental issues to children's rights.




Lauren: And lastly, what do you hope your readers learn and appreciate about Michael, and his body of work as revealed through your book?

Joe: I want Michael to be recognized for what he was and is: one of the most significant artists of the past century. Hopefully the book gives people an in-depth window into why.

Joseph Vogel
Department of English
University of Rochester
Rush Rhees 324
Rochester, NY 14627

http://mjtpmagazine.presspublisher.us/issue/rising-from-the-ashes/article/interview-with-joe-vogel-author-of-man-in-the-music-the-creative-live-and-work-of-michael-jackson

Thanks for sharing.

As Vogel pointed out, while MJ was alive no-one was willing to publish a pro-Jackson book.

Aphrodite Jones said the same thing while struggling to find a publisher for her book Conspiracy. In the end she had to self publish.

Of course, now the man is dead there's plenty of money to be made. Such is the cunt filled world we live in.

Still, I'm glad that this book is seeing the light of day as a proper acknowledgement of Jackson's work is long overdue.

scatwoman said:

bboy87 said:

Interview With Joe Vogel, Author of "Man in the Music:The Creative Live and Work of Michael Jackson

By Lauren Trainor Fri, Apr 01, 2011


In September 2011, Joe Vogel will release his new book, Man in the Music: The Creative Life and Work of Michael Jackson. Joe painstakingly researched Michael’s artistry for over five years, speaking with many people who knew and worked with Michael during his life. We have had brief glimpses into this highly anticipated book, most recently through Joe’s review and discussion of "Hollywood Tonight", in the Huffington Post.

Many of Michael’s fans and advocates, are well aware of the kinds of publications and touted ‘tell all’ books and articles, written by purported experts on Michael’s life and person. As we stay the course in the marathon of truth, we are finally able to anticipate a book that will reveal who this man really was through his lyrics and music- his deep commitment and dedication to his art; the basic inner core of Michael that reached out to all of us as he spoke of injustice, bigotry and the need to make a real change in the world, his love for all children, young and older, and his vision for a better tomorrow.

Please join together and thank Joe for his efforts and for sharing his thoughts in this interview.


Lauren: Joe, can you tell us about your background and how you became a writer?

Joe: I have always written. Actually, getting published took some time and figuring out -- I had my first book published in 2006 (ironically, I first submitted a very early version of my MJ book that year, but no one would publish it).

Lauren: I know you have published two books prior to Man in the Music. Can you tell us a little about them?


Joe: The first one, Free Speech 101, narrates the firestorm that erupted when I invited filmmaker Michael Moore to speak at a very conservative university. It's an exploration of people's fears, polarization, intolerance, censorship, etc. I was 23 at the time, and received all kinds of attacks, bribes, death threats, etc. simply for inviting someone to speak with different views. The second book, The Obama Movement, is a collection of essays about the youth movement Barack Obama inspired in his run for president.

Lauren: When did you become interested in Michael's music?

Joe: I discovered Michael Jackson when I was about 7-8 years old. I wore out my VHS of The Legend Continues; I watched it so many times. The first time I saw the Motown 25 performance, I was absolutely floored. It had a huge impact on me. My musical interests evolved in all kinds of directions since then; Michael was about the only artist that stuck from childhood on because I could continue to appreciate his work on new levels.




Lauren: What prompted you to take on the challenges in writing this book and investing five years to research it?

Joe: Well, to be honest, I had no clue of the scope of what I was taking on when I started. I began in the midst of his trial because I was frustrated with the degree to which people had forgotten -- or just never really understood -- his artistic genius. The plan was just to provide interpretations of his songs, and it evolved from there.

Lauren: When you spoke with people who knew or worked with Michael, did you find common experiences and impressions that they had about him?

Joe: People loved working with Michael; they loved his passion and joy, his desire to innovate and just create great work. Starting around the time of the BAD album, his collaborators could sense a newfound confidence and autonomy in carrying out his creative vision.

Lauren: Do you have a particular favorite track, and why?

Joe: Growing up it was songs like "Billie Jean" and "Man in the Mirror." Now, I tend to enjoy more of his obscure tracks. My favorite album currently is HIStory. I think it's a masterpiece and will be recognized as such down the line.

Lauren: In the history of modern music, where would you place Michael in importance and cultural influence?

Joe: Culturally, I think Michael ranks alongside the Beatles. I believe he's ahead of Elvis. Michael and the Beatles were not only enormous in their respective eras, but their music has the kind of depth and diversity required to inspire generation after generation.





Lauren: How much of the man do you find in the music? Did your impressions and beliefs in who he was change in any way?

Joe: Michael believed the best way people could understand him was through his art. I found that to be the case. Everything essential comes out in his work.

Lauren: Was there anything you learned while doing your research that surprised you? How did that affect you?

Joe: There were many surprises. What happens is when you really focus on an individual song and album, layer after layer after layer reveals itself. I could have written entire books on each album.

Lauren: I understand that you teach at the University of Rochester. How do your students react to your insights into tracks like "Man in the Mirror" or "Black or White"? Do you find high interest and response from them to any one particular release or short film?

Joe: My students have really enjoyed learning about Michael. So many important issues/ideas come out of his work. We often compare "Black or White" to Blake's, Songs of Innocence and Experience. I think much of MJ's work can be interpreted fruitfully through that lens where there is a constant tension/interplay between these contrary states.

Lauren: Have you had any resistance from your faculty, students or the parents of your students to what you teach about Michael and his music?

Joe: Not at all.

Lauren: What do you feel is the importance of continuing Michael's legacy? What do you see as the primary things that ordinary people can learn, and take away from his body of work?

Joe: My more complete answer to that question is in my book, but in short, I believe Michael's work is about liberation. He refused to accept the world as it is; he wanted it to be more aware, in tune, connected, fair, loving, creative, and free.

Lauren: How has your lengthy research affected you personally?

Joe: I am inspired by great artists and great art, so exploring one of the great artists of our time in this kind of depth has had a profound impact on me. It's taken a lot of time and sacrifice, but I feel lucky to have done it. It's been very rewarding.

Lauren: Are you aware of the hunger that fans have for positive, in-depth studies about Michael, and his work and contributions?

Joe: Absolutely! Michael's fans are often depicted as mindless and crazy. And while there are certainly some live up to the stereotype, the vast majorities I have come in contact with are thoughtful, intelligent, and eager to get beyond the celebrity infatuation to the art and the human being.


Lauren: What are your thoughts of Michael as a social activist?

Joe: Well, he obviously did a great deal and in a variety of ways. For all of his supposed narcissism, I can't think of another pop star who more consistently looked outward and genuinely tried to change the world. Has anyone from the entertainment world been a fiercer media critic; a stronger advocate for children? "Earth Song" in my opinion, is the most significant anthem of our age. Think of how prescient and powerful that song was (and continues to be).

Reduced: 68% of original size [ 750 x 500 ] - Click to view full image

Lauren: Have you encountered negative responses to your endeavors or are you finding open minds and interest in your work?

Joe: There is always negativity, but I've been overwhelmed and humbled by how positive the reaction has been.

Lauren: How do you compare Michael with MJ's previous releases? Do you think his collaborators and friends got it right?

Joe: Posthumous albums will never compare to the albums MJ completed while alive. I would personally like to see all of his unfinished work released exactly as he left it, then, I don't mind what happens from there in terms of new mixes, remixes, etc. I like hearing different takes. Transparency is the key, especially when dealing with someone of Michael's historical import.

Lauren: Do you have an opinion on why the media have concentrated their efforts to report on all the perceived negative aspects of Michael's life, bypassing his artistic achievements, and all but ignoring his humanitarian efforts?

Joe: I talk about this a lot in the book. The reasons are complex, but essentially, Michael was so different and unique as both an artist and a person, that many people couldn't wrap their minds around him. He didn't fit into the boxes we like people to fit into. So instead they reduced him, caricatured him, exploited him, and denied him of his complexity, depth, humanity, and artistry.

Lauren: When you speak about how people and the media did not understand Michael, and how he was so unfairly treated and marginalized, what is your opinion on how the issue of racism may have been a factor?

Joe: I think there were certainly strains of racism. Even though he broke barriers on MTV and radio, there was still a double standard in terms of how predominantly white music critics assessed him and his work. He was often dismissed as a "commercial" entertainer rather than an artist, which is a stereotype with a long racial history. Same with the perception that he was a singer, but not a songwriter. Same with "dance music/R&B" vs. rock. The assumption from some critics is that black artists aren't as cerebral or creative. Some people, including executives, were also threatened by his enormous success and power, particularly after his acquisition of the Beatles/ATV catalog. Of course, it's more complicated than just race, but there is no question for me that race played a part.

Lauren: What do you think about the fans who have come together since Michael died, and their efforts to reinstate his character and name, and who are working hard to continue all aspects of his legacy?

Joe: Michael has a very impressive and effective fan base when they put their minds to something. For those who think of Michael as a mere celebrity or pop star, it speaks volumes that his fans continue to fight for all the causes that were important to him, from social justice to peace to media fairness to environmental issues to children's rights.




Lauren: And lastly, what do you hope your readers learn and appreciate about Michael, and his body of work as revealed through your book?

Joe: I want Michael to be recognized for what he was and is: one of the most significant artists of the past century. Hopefully the book gives people an in-depth window into why.

Joseph Vogel
Department of English
University of Rochester
Rush Rhees 324
Rochester, NY 14627

http://mjtpmagazine.presspublisher.us/issue/rising-from-the-ashes/article/interview-with-joe-vogel-author-of-man-in-the-music-the-creative-live-and-work-of-michael-jackson

Thanks for sharing.

As Vogel pointed out, while MJ was alive no-one was willing to publish a pro-Jackson book.

Aphrodite Jones said the same thing while struggling to find a publisher for her book Conspiracy. In the end she had to self publish.

Of course, now the man is dead there's plenty of money to be made. Such is the cunt filled world we live in.

Still, I'm glad that this book is seeing the light of day as a proper acknowledgement of Jackson's work is long overdue.

That's exactly what my friends had to do. They self-published their book "For The Record" because no publisher was willing to publish a pro-Michael book and definitely not one that focused on..... *GASP* his music

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It worked better for them because they had complete freedom on the book and it was #1 MJ-related on Amazon for a number of weeks

bboy87 said:

That's exactly what my friends had to do. They self-published their book "For The Record" because no publisher was willing to publish a pro-Michael book and definitely not one that focused on..... *GASP* his music

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It worked better for them because they had complete freedom on the book and it was #1 MJ-related on Amazon for a number of weeks

I have the first edition of that.

:lol:This is hillarious it was from 2008.

[Edited 4/2/11 8:12am]

bboy87 said:

Interview With Joe Vogel, Author of "Man in the Music:The Creative Live and Work of Michael Jackson

By Lauren Trainor Fri, Apr 01, 2011


In September 2011, Joe Vogel will release his new book, Man in the Music: The Creative Life and Work of Michael Jackson. Joe painstakingly researched Michael’s artistry for over five years, speaking with many people who knew and worked with Michael during his life. We have had brief glimpses into this highly anticipated book, most recently through Joe’s review and discussion of "Hollywood Tonight", in the Huffington Post.

Many of Michael’s fans and advocates, are well aware of the kinds of publications and touted ‘tell all’ books and articles, written by purported experts on Michael’s life and person. As we stay the course in the marathon of truth, we are finally able to anticipate a book that will reveal who this man really was through his lyrics and music- his deep commitment and dedication to his art; the basic inner core of Michael that reached out to all of us as he spoke of injustice, bigotry and the need to make a real change in the world, his love for all children, young and older, and his vision for a better tomorrow.

Please join together and thank Joe for his efforts and for sharing his thoughts in this interview.


Lauren: Joe, can you tell us about your background and how you became a writer?

Joe: I have always written. Actually, getting published took some time and figuring out -- I had my first book published in 2006 (ironically, I first submitted a very early version of my MJ book that year, but no one would publish it).

Lauren: I know you have published two books prior to Man in the Music. Can you tell us a little about them?


Joe: The first one, Free Speech 101, narrates the firestorm that erupted when I invited filmmaker Michael Moore to speak at a very conservative university. It's an exploration of people's fears, polarization, intolerance, censorship, etc. I was 23 at the time, and received all kinds of attacks, bribes, death threats, etc. simply for inviting someone to speak with different views. The second book, The Obama Movement, is a collection of essays about the youth movement Barack Obama inspired in his run for president.

Lauren: When did you become interested in Michael's music?

Joe: I discovered Michael Jackson when I was about 7-8 years old. I wore out my VHS of The Legend Continues; I watched it so many times. The first time I saw the Motown 25 performance, I was absolutely floored. It had a huge impact on me. My musical interests evolved in all kinds of directions since then; Michael was about the only artist that stuck from childhood on because I could continue to appreciate his work on new levels.




Lauren: What prompted you to take on the challenges in writing this book and investing five years to research it?

Joe: Well, to be honest, I had no clue of the scope of what I was taking on when I started. I began in the midst of his trial because I was frustrated with the degree to which people had forgotten -- or just never really understood -- his artistic genius. The plan was just to provide interpretations of his songs, and it evolved from there.

Lauren: When you spoke with people who knew or worked with Michael, did you find common experiences and impressions that they had about him?

Joe: People loved working with Michael; they loved his passion and joy, his desire to innovate and just create great work. Starting around the time of the BAD album, his collaborators could sense a newfound confidence and autonomy in carrying out his creative vision.

Lauren: Do you have a particular favorite track, and why?

Joe: Growing up it was songs like "Billie Jean" and "Man in the Mirror." Now, I tend to enjoy more of his obscure tracks. My favorite album currently is HIStory. I think it's a masterpiece and will be recognized as such down the line.

Lauren: In the history of modern music, where would you place Michael in importance and cultural influence?

Joe: Culturally, I think Michael ranks alongside the Beatles. I believe he's ahead of Elvis. Michael and the Beatles were not only enormous in their respective eras, but their music has the kind of depth and diversity required to inspire generation after generation.





Lauren: How much of the man do you find in the music? Did your impressions and beliefs in who he was change in any way?

Joe: Michael believed the best way people could understand him was through his art. I found that to be the case. Everything essential comes out in his work.

Lauren: Was there anything you learned while doing your research that surprised you? How did that affect you?

Joe: There were many surprises. What happens is when you really focus on an individual song and album, layer after layer after layer reveals itself. I could have written entire books on each album.

Lauren: I understand that you teach at the University of Rochester. How do your students react to your insights into tracks like "Man in the Mirror" or "Black or White"? Do you find high interest and response from them to any one particular release or short film?

Joe: My students have really enjoyed learning about Michael. So many important issues/ideas come out of his work. We often compare "Black or White" to Blake's, Songs of Innocence and Experience. I think much of MJ's work can be interpreted fruitfully through that lens where there is a constant tension/interplay between these contrary states.

Lauren: Have you had any resistance from your faculty, students or the parents of your students to what you teach about Michael and his music?

Joe: Not at all.

Lauren: What do you feel is the importance of continuing Michael's legacy? What do you see as the primary things that ordinary people can learn, and take away from his body of work?

Joe: My more complete answer to that question is in my book, but in short, I believe Michael's work is about liberation. He refused to accept the world as it is; he wanted it to be more aware, in tune, connected, fair, loving, creative, and free.

Lauren: How has your lengthy research affected you personally?

Joe: I am inspired by great artists and great art, so exploring one of the great artists of our time in this kind of depth has had a profound impact on me. It's taken a lot of time and sacrifice, but I feel lucky to have done it. It's been very rewarding.

Lauren: Are you aware of the hunger that fans have for positive, in-depth studies about Michael, and his work and contributions?

Joe: Absolutely! Michael's fans are often depicted as mindless and crazy. And while there are certainly some live up to the stereotype, the vast majorities I have come in contact with are thoughtful, intelligent, and eager to get beyond the celebrity infatuation to the art and the human being.


Lauren: What are your thoughts of Michael as a social activist?

Joe: Well, he obviously did a great deal and in a variety of ways. For all of his supposed narcissism, I can't think of another pop star who more consistently looked outward and genuinely tried to change the world. Has anyone from the entertainment world been a fiercer media critic; a stronger advocate for children? "Earth Song" in my opinion, is the most significant anthem of our age. Think of how prescient and powerful that song was (and continues to be).

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Lauren: Have you encountered negative responses to your endeavors or are you finding open minds and interest in your work?

Joe: There is always negativity, but I've been overwhelmed and humbled by how positive the reaction has been.

Lauren: How do you compare Michael with MJ's previous releases? Do you think his collaborators and friends got it right?

Joe: Posthumous albums will never compare to the albums MJ completed while alive. I would personally like to see all of his unfinished work released exactly as he left it, then, I don't mind what happens from there in terms of new mixes, remixes, etc. I like hearing different takes. Transparency is the key, especially when dealing with someone of Michael's historical import.

Lauren: Do you have an opinion on why the media have concentrated their efforts to report on all the perceived negative aspects of Michael's life, bypassing his artistic achievements, and all but ignoring his humanitarian efforts?

Joe: I talk about this a lot in the book. The reasons are complex, but essentially, Michael was so different and unique as both an artist and a person, that many people couldn't wrap their minds around him. He didn't fit into the boxes we like people to fit into. So instead they reduced him, caricatured him, exploited him, and denied him of his complexity, depth, humanity, and artistry.

Lauren: When you speak about how people and the media did not understand Michael, and how he was so unfairly treated and marginalized, what is your opinion on how the issue of racism may have been a factor?

Joe: I think there were certainly strains of racism. Even though he broke barriers on MTV and radio, there was still a double standard in terms of how predominantly white music critics assessed him and his work. He was often dismissed as a "commercial" entertainer rather than an artist, which is a stereotype with a long racial history. Same with the perception that he was a singer, but not a songwriter. Same with "dance music/R&B" vs. rock. The assumption from some critics is that black artists aren't as cerebral or creative. Some people, including executives, were also threatened by his enormous success and power, particularly after his acquisition of the Beatles/ATV catalog. Of course, it's more complicated than just race, but there is no question for me that race played a part.

Lauren: What do you think about the fans who have come together since Michael died, and their efforts to reinstate his character and name, and who are working hard to continue all aspects of his legacy?

Joe: Michael has a very impressive and effective fan base when they put their minds to something. For those who think of Michael as a mere celebrity or pop star, it speaks volumes that his fans continue to fight for all the causes that were important to him, from social justice to peace to media fairness to environmental issues to children's rights.




Lauren: And lastly, what do you hope your readers learn and appreciate about Michael, and his body of work as revealed through your book?

Joe: I want Michael to be recognized for what he was and is: one of the most significant artists of the past century. Hopefully the book gives people an in-depth window into why.

Joseph Vogel
Department of English
University of Rochester
Rush Rhees 324
Rochester, NY 14627

http://mjtpmagazine.presspublisher.us/issue/rising-from-the-ashes/article/interview-with-joe-vogel-author-of-man-in-the-music-the-creative-live-and-work-of-michael-jackson

Nicely said.

Thanks for posting. Nice read.

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Emancipation89 said:

bboy87 said:

OFFICIAL BAD TOUR DVD!!? AHHHHH!!

Hope it's coming out soon...

I hope so too, but i'm not gonna get my hopes up!

I've been hearing talks of an official release for a "Bad Tour" dvd for almost 10 years now and so far nothing has materialized!

I'll believe it when I see it.

Cinnamon234 said:

Emancipation89 said:

OFFICIAL BAD TOUR DVD!!? AHHHHH!!

Hope it's coming out soon...

I hope so too, but i'm not gonna get my hopes up!

I've been hearing talks of an official release for a "Bad Tour" dvd for almost 10 years now and so far nothing has materialized!

I'll believe it when I see it.

true tho i been round the internet mike forums since 2002....lol

Joe: Posthumous albums will never compare to the albums MJ completed while alive. I would personally like to see all of his unfinished work released exactly as he left it, then, I don't mind what happens from there in terms of new mixes, remixes, etc. I like hearing different takes. Transparency is the key, especially when dealing with someone of Michael's historical import.

Cinnamon234 said:

Emancipation89 said:

I hope so too, but i'm not gonna get my hopes up!

I've been hearing talks of an official release for a "Bad Tour" dvd for almost 10 years now and so far nothing has materialized!

I'll believe it when I see it.

Really? *sigh*....Btw, after Michael passed away, Sony said they are going to do 10 projects within 7 years right? This Is It Soundtrack, Album 'Michael', Michael Jackson the Experience and Michael Jackson Vision....They've already done 4...So 6 more to go, am I right? (Please correct me if I'm wrong! )
Bad tour DVD should be the next project...I love Bad tour but the ones on youtube have really bad quality...ughh I almost want to write a letter to Sony..."PLEASE RELEASE BAD TOUR DVD I'LL BUY 3 EVEN THOUGH I'M KINDA BROKE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH"

Yeah I shouldn't get my hopes up either ='(

[Edited 4/2/11 19:00pm]

Swa said:

Joe: Posthumous albums will never compare to the albums MJ completed while alive. I would personally like to see all of his unfinished work released exactly as he left it, then, I don't mind what happens from there in terms of new mixes, remixes, etc. I like hearing different takes. Transparency is the key, especially when dealing with someone of Michael's historical import.

Thanks for your opinion ^_^

I strongly agree with the part "Posthumous albums will never compare to the albums MJ completed while alive" However...I'm not sure about releasing unfinished work as it is. Mozart's "Requiem" was left unfinished at his death and later completed by his student Süssmayr. And to this day, it's still considered one of the greatest masterpieces.

I personally want to hear the original unfinished versions as well...But I feel like it's not necessary to release the unfinished version first, and then release the final complete version. To me, posthumous albums are already not 100% Michael...And he was such a perfectionist, that even "releasing unfinished work as it is" should not be considered Michael's art work. Because we don't know which songs he was going to release or not, or in what order he wanted to put them in an album.etc. And artists' will of whether to release it to public or not is a huge part of legacy and art.

So I guess the point I'm trying to make is, since the day Michael has passed, there's no such thing as "100% Michael's work and will" left. So why not complete it and try to make it better?

Of course that doesn't mean I think they're always necessarily making everything 'better' by completing unfinished work. I just want to believe that Teddy Riley or Cascio or whoever worked with Michael, are the people who were chosen by Michael for a reason, and they are the ones who understand Michael's art and will best.

Emancipation89 said:

Cinnamon234 said:

I hope so too, but i'm not gonna get my hopes up!

I've been hearing talks of an official release for a "Bad Tour" dvd for almost 10 years now and so far nothing has materialized!

I'll believe it when I see it.

Really? *sigh*....Btw, after Michael passed away, Sony said they are going to do 10 projects within 7 years right? This Is It Soundtrack, Album 'Michael', Michael Jackson the Experience and Michael Jackson Vision....They've already done 4...So 6 more to go, am I right? (Please correct me if I'm wrong! )
Bad tour DVD should be the next project...I love Bad tour but the ones on youtube have really bad quality...ughh I almost want to write a letter to Sony..."PLEASE RELEASE BAD TOUR DVD I'LL BUY 3 EVEN THOUGH I'M KINDA BROKE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH"

Yeah I shouldn't get my hopes up either ='(

[Edited 4/2/11 19:00pm]

The video game doesn't count as it's a project of the Estate with Ubisoft.

There's still the reissues of Off The Wall and Bad, another album of unreleased material coming next year and hopefully Making Of Thriller on DVD

So there’s another album out this year?

babybugz said:

So there’s another album out this year?

I think there's just the Off The Wall reissue for this year

Joe: Growing up it was songs like "Billie Jean" and "Man in the Mirror." Now, I tend to enjoy more of his obscure tracks. My favorite album currently is HIStory. I think it's a masterpiece and will be recognized as such down the line.

Joe: Culturally, I think Michael ranks alongside the Beatles. I believe he's ahead of Elvis. Michael and the Beatles were not only enormous in their respective eras, but their music has the kind of depth and diversity required to inspire generation after generation.

Joe: Michael believed the best way people could understand him was through his art. I found that to be the case. Everything essential comes out in his work.

Joe: There were many surprises. What happens is when you really focus on an individual song and album, layer after layer after layer reveals itself. I could have written entire books on each album.

Joe: My students have really enjoyed learning about Michael. So many important issues/ideas come out of his work. We often compare "Black or White" to Blake's, Songs of Innocence and Experience. I think much of MJ's work can be interpreted fruitfully through that lens where there is a constant tension/interplay between these contrary states.
Lauren: What do you feel is the importance of continuing Michael's legacy? What do you see as the primary things that ordinary people can learn, and take away from his body of work?

Joe: My more complete answer to that question is in my book, but in short, I believe Michael's work is about liberation. He refused to accept the world as it is; he wanted it to be more aware, in tune, connected, fair, loving, creative, and free.

Joe: Absolutely! Michael's fans are often depicted as mindless and crazy. And while there are certainly some live up to the stereotype, the vast majorities I have come in contact with are thoughtful, intelligent, and eager to get beyond the celebrity infatuation to the art and the human being.

Joe: Well, he obviously did a great deal and in a variety of ways. For all of his supposed narcissism, I can't think of another pop star who more consistently looked outward and genuinely tried to change the world. Has anyone from the entertainment world been a fiercer media critic; a stronger advocate for children? "Earth Song" in my opinion, is the most significant anthem of our age. Think of how prescient and powerful that song was (and continues to be).

Joe: I talk about this a lot in the book. The reasons are complex, but essentially, Michael was so different and unique as both an artist and a person, that many people couldn't wrap their minds around him. He didn't fit into the boxes we like people to fit into. So instead they reduced him, caricatured him, exploited him, and denied him of his complexity, depth, humanity, and artistry.

Joe: I think there were certainly strains of racism. Even though he broke barriers on MTV and radio, there was still a double standard in terms of how predominantly white music critics assessed him and his work. He was often dismissed as a "commercial" entertainer rather than an artist, which is a stereotype with a long racial history. Same with the perception that he was a singer, but not a songwriter. Same with "dance music/R&B" vs. rock. The assumption from some critics is that black artists aren't as cerebral or creative. Some people, including executives, were also threatened by his enormous success and power, particularly after his acquisition of the Beatles/ATV catalog. Of course, it's more complicated than just race, but there is no question for me that race played a part.

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The part I bolded really pisses me off the most. I am so sick of that old skool elitist rock critic thought that pop/r&b music is just meant to be enjoyed for what it is and unless it actually is popular it's not worth listening to. Yet, for some reason, you have to take the most obscure, mundane, & painfully pretentious rock album and act as if it's so deeply profound when they are talking about the same shit. This just reminds me of how often I run into critics that go "Oh...nothing was good after Thriller. Everything afterwards is shit and just him being super narcisstic. It's just him writing schmaltzy crap. Everything sounds dated. He lost touch with reality. He's just chasing hits even though most of the stuff on HIStory is rarely played on the radio." In fact it reminded of this godawful piece about Thriller as well. UGH!!!!!!! This is why I highly dislike Rilling Stone and every other rock magazine that they have inspired afterwards that follow that same line of ridiculous thinking. Even though I like the album, sometimes I am so close to declaring Marvin Gaye's 'What's Going On' as one of the most overrated albums ever. It's like barely any other soul album ever existed at that time.

Though I am glad more studies about his music are coming out. I couldn't have wished for anything more.

bboy87 said:

Interview With Joe Vogel, Author of "Man in the Music:The Creative Live and Work of Michael Jackson

By Lauren Trainor Fri, Apr 01, 2011


In September 2011, Joe Vogel will release his new book, Man in the Music: The Creative Life and Work of Michael Jackson. Joe painstakingly researched Michael’s artistry for over five years, speaking with many people who knew and worked with Michael during his life. We have had brief glimpses into this highly anticipated book, most recently through Joe’s review and discussion of "Hollywood Tonight", in the Huffington Post.

Many of Michael’s fans and advocates, are well aware of the kinds of publications and touted ‘tell all’ books and articles, written by purported experts on Michael’s life and person. As we stay the course in the marathon of truth, we are finally able to anticipate a book that will reveal who this man really was through his lyrics and music- his deep commitment and dedication to his art; the basic inner core of Michael that reached out to all of us as he spoke of injustice, bigotry and the need to make a real change in the world, his love for all children, young and older, and his vision for a better tomorrow.

Please join together and thank Joe for his efforts and for sharing his thoughts in this interview.


Lauren: Joe, can you tell us about your background and how you became a writer?

Joe: I have always written. Actually, getting published took some time and figuring out -- I had my first book published in 2006 (ironically, I first submitted a very early version of my MJ book that year, but no one would publish it).

Lauren: I know you have published two books prior to Man in the Music. Can you tell us a little about them?


Joe: The first one, Free Speech 101, narrates the firestorm that erupted when I invited filmmaker Michael Moore to speak at a very conservative university. It's an exploration of people's fears, polarization, intolerance, censorship, etc. I was 23 at the time, and received all kinds of attacks, bribes, death threats, etc. simply for inviting someone to speak with different views. The second book, The Obama Movement, is a collection of essays about the youth movement Barack Obama inspired in his run for president.

Lauren: When did you become interested in Michael's music?

Joe: I discovered Michael Jackson when I was about 7-8 years old. I wore out my VHS of The Legend Continues; I watched it so many times. The first time I saw the Motown 25 performance, I was absolutely floored. It had a huge impact on me. My musical interests evolved in all kinds of directions since then; Michael was about the only artist that stuck from childhood on because I could continue to appreciate his work on new levels.




Lauren: What prompted you to take on the challenges in writing this book and investing five years to research it?

Joe: Well, to be honest, I had no clue of the scope of what I was taking on when I started. I began in the midst of his trial because I was frustrated with the degree to which people had forgotten -- or just never really understood -- his artistic genius. The plan was just to provide interpretations of his songs, and it evolved from there.

Lauren: When you spoke with people who knew or worked with Michael, did you find common experiences and impressions that they had about him?

Joe: People loved working with Michael; they loved his passion and joy, his desire to innovate and just create great work. Starting around the time of the BAD album, his collaborators could sense a newfound confidence and autonomy in carrying out his creative vision.

Lauren: Do you have a particular favorite track, and why?

Joe: Growing up it was songs like "Billie Jean" and "Man in the Mirror." Now, I tend to enjoy more of his obscure tracks. My favorite album currently is HIStory. I think it's a masterpiece and will be recognized as such down the line.

Lauren: In the history of modern music, where would you place Michael in importance and cultural influence?

Joe: Culturally, I think Michael ranks alongside the Beatles. I believe he's ahead of Elvis. Michael and the Beatles were not only enormous in their respective eras, but their music has the kind of depth and diversity required to inspire generation after generation.





Lauren: How much of the man do you find in the music? Did your impressions and beliefs in who he was change in any way?

Joe: Michael believed the best way people could understand him was through his art. I found that to be the case. Everything essential comes out in his work.

Lauren: Was there anything you learned while doing your research that surprised you? How did that affect you?

Joe: There were many surprises. What happens is when you really focus on an individual song and album, layer after layer after layer reveals itself. I could have written entire books on each album.

Lauren: I understand that you teach at the University of Rochester. How do your students react to your insights into tracks like "Man in the Mirror" or "Black or White"? Do you find high interest and response from them to any one particular release or short film?

Joe: My students have really enjoyed learning about Michael. So many important issues/ideas come out of his work. We often compare "Black or White" to Blake's, Songs of Innocence and Experience. I think much of MJ's work can be interpreted fruitfully through that lens where there is a constant tension/interplay between these contrary states.

Lauren: Have you had any resistance from your faculty, students or the parents of your students to what you teach about Michael and his music?

Joe: Not at all.

Lauren: What do you feel is the importance of continuing Michael's legacy? What do you see as the primary things that ordinary people can learn, and take away from his body of work?

Joe: My more complete answer to that question is in my book, but in short, I believe Michael's work is about liberation. He refused to accept the world as it is; he wanted it to be more aware, in tune, connected, fair, loving, creative, and free.

Lauren: How has your lengthy research affected you personally?

Joe: I am inspired by great artists and great art, so exploring one of the great artists of our time in this kind of depth has had a profound impact on me. It's taken a lot of time and sacrifice, but I feel lucky to have done it. It's been very rewarding.

Lauren: Are you aware of the hunger that fans have for positive, in-depth studies about Michael, and his work and contributions?

Joe: Absolutely! Michael's fans are often depicted as mindless and crazy. And while there are certainly some live up to the stereotype, the vast majorities I have come in contact with are thoughtful, intelligent, and eager to get beyond the celebrity infatuation to the art and the human being.


Lauren: What are your thoughts of Michael as a social activist?

Joe: Well, he obviously did a great deal and in a variety of ways. For all of his supposed narcissism, I can't think of another pop star who more consistently looked outward and genuinely tried to change the world. Has anyone from the entertainment world been a fiercer media critic; a stronger advocate for children? "Earth Song" in my opinion, is the most significant anthem of our age. Think of how prescient and powerful that song was (and continues to be).

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Lauren: Have you encountered negative responses to your endeavors or are you finding open minds and interest in your work?

Joe: There is always negativity, but I've been overwhelmed and humbled by how positive the reaction has been.

Lauren: How do you compare Michael with MJ's previous releases? Do you think his collaborators and friends got it right?

Joe: Posthumous albums will never compare to the albums MJ completed while alive. I would personally like to see all of his unfinished work released exactly as he left it, then, I don't mind what happens from there in terms of new mixes, remixes, etc. I like hearing different takes. Transparency is the key, especially when dealing with someone of Michael's historical import.

Lauren: Do you have an opinion on why the media have concentrated their efforts to report on all the perceived negative aspects of Michael's life, bypassing his artistic achievements, and all but ignoring his humanitarian efforts?

Joe: I talk about this a lot in the book. The reasons are complex, but essentially, Michael was so different and unique as both an artist and a person, that many people couldn't wrap their minds around him. He didn't fit into the boxes we like people to fit into. So instead they reduced him, caricatured him, exploited him, and denied him of his complexity, depth, humanity, and artistry.

Lauren: When you speak about how people and the media did not understand Michael, and how he was so unfairly treated and marginalized, what is your opinion on how the issue of racism may have been a factor?

Joe: I think there were certainly strains of racism. Even though he broke barriers on MTV and radio, there was still a double standard in terms of how predominantly white music critics assessed him and his work. He was often dismissed as a "commercial" entertainer rather than an artist, which is a stereotype with a long racial history. Same with the perception that he was a singer, but not a songwriter. Same with "dance music/R&B" vs. rock. The assumption from some critics is that black artists aren't as cerebral or creative. Some people, including executives, were also threatened by his enormous success and power, particularly after his acquisition of the Beatles/ATV catalog. Of course, it's more complicated than just race, but there is no question for me that race played a part.

Lauren: What do you think about the fans who have come together since Michael died, and their efforts to reinstate his character and name, and who are working hard to continue all aspects of his legacy?

Joe: Michael has a very impressive and effective fan base when they put their minds to something. For those who think of Michael as a mere celebrity or pop star, it speaks volumes that his fans continue to fight for all the causes that were important to him, from social justice to peace to media fairness to environmental issues to children's rights.




Lauren: And lastly, what do you hope your readers learn and appreciate about Michael, and his body of work as revealed through your book?

Joe: I want Michael to be recognized for what he was and is: one of the most significant artists of the past century. Hopefully the book gives people an in-depth window into why.

Joseph Vogel
Department of English
University of Rochester
Rush Rhees 324
Rochester, NY 14627

http://mjtpmagazine.presspublisher.us/issue/rising-from-the-ashes/article/interview-with-joe-vogel-author-of-man-in-the-music-the-creative-live-and-work-of-michael-jackson

WOW!!! this is a great little interview... i'd be interested in reading this very much, because it looks as if it focuses on michael as a teacher. it looks at michael in relation to artistic technique, as well as his role as a socio-political figure- the two things i happen to be most interested in when it comes to michael. armond white is one of the few who looked at michael in this way during his life; i'm glad vogel is doing it as well. i hope there will be more folks honoring him in this way, as opposed to constantly focusing on him as a 'song and dance man', or on his looks.

That was a good interview. It makes you think that this is someone that gets it.

Unholyalliance said:

Joe: Growing up it was songs like "Billie Jean" and "Man in the Mirror." Now, I tend to enjoy more of his obscure tracks. My favorite album currently is HIStory. I think it's a masterpiece and will be recognized as such down the line.

Joe: Culturally, I think Michael ranks alongside the Beatles. I believe he's ahead of Elvis. Michael and the Beatles were not only enormous in their respective eras, but their music has the kind of depth and diversity required to inspire generation after generation.

Joe: Michael believed the best way people could understand him was through his art. I found that to be the case. Everything essential comes out in his work.

Joe: There were many surprises. What happens is when you really focus on an individual song and album, layer after layer after layer reveals itself. I could have written entire books on each album.

Joe: My students have really enjoyed learning about Michael. So many important issues/ideas come out of his work. We often compare "Black or White" to Blake's, Songs of Innocence and Experience. I think much of MJ's work can be interpreted fruitfully through that lens where there is a constant tension/interplay between these contrary states.
Lauren: What do you feel is the importance of continuing Michael's legacy? What do you see as the primary things that ordinary people can learn, and take away from his body of work?

Joe: My more complete answer to that question is in my book, but in short, I believe Michael's work is about liberation. He refused to accept the world as it is; he wanted it to be more aware, in tune, connected, fair, loving, creative, and free.

Joe: Absolutely! Michael's fans are often depicted as mindless and crazy. And while there are certainly some live up to the stereotype, the vast majorities I have come in contact with are thoughtful, intelligent, and eager to get beyond the celebrity infatuation to the art and the human being.

Joe: Well, he obviously did a great deal and in a variety of ways. For all of his supposed narcissism, I can't think of another pop star who more consistently looked outward and genuinely tried to change the world. Has anyone from the entertainment world been a fiercer media critic; a stronger advocate for children? "Earth Song" in my opinion, is the most significant anthem of our age. Think of how prescient and powerful that song was (and continues to be).

Joe: I talk about this a lot in the book. The reasons are complex, but essentially, Michael was so different and unique as both an artist and a person, that many people couldn't wrap their minds around him. He didn't fit into the boxes we like people to fit into. So instead they reduced him, caricatured him, exploited him, and denied him of his complexity, depth, humanity, and artistry.

Joe: I think there were certainly strains of racism. Even though he broke barriers on MTV and radio, there was still a double standard in terms of how predominantly white music critics assessed him and his work. He was often dismissed as a "commercial" entertainer rather than an artist, which is a stereotype with a long racial history. Same with the perception that he was a singer, but not a songwriter. Same with "dance music/R&B" vs. rock. The assumption from some critics is that black artists aren't as cerebral or creative. Some people, including executives, were also threatened by his enormous success and power, particularly after his acquisition of the Beatles/ATV catalog. Of course, it's more complicated than just race, but there is no question for me that race played a part.

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The part I bolded really pisses me off the most. I am so sick of that old skool elitist rock critic thought that pop/r&b music is just meant to be enjoyed for what it is and unless it actually is popular it's not worth listening to. Yet, for some reason, you have to take the most obscure, mundane, & painfully pretentious rock album and act as if it's so deeply profound when they are talking about the same shit. This just reminds me of how often I run into critics that go "Oh...nothing was good after Thriller. Everything afterwards is shit and just him being super narcisstic. It's just him writing schmaltzy crap. Everything sounds dated. He lost touch with reality. He's just chasing hits even though most of the stuff on HIStory is rarely played on the radio." In fact it reminded of this godawful piece about Thriller as well. UGH!!!!!!! This is why I highly dislike Rilling Stone and every other rock magazine that they have inspired afterwards that follow that same line of ridiculous thinking. Even though I like the album, sometimes I am so close to declaring Marvin Gaye's 'What's Going On' as one of the most overrated albums ever. It's like barely any other soul album ever existed at that time.

Though I am glad more studies about his music are coming out. I couldn't have wished for anything more.

for me, what's going on is the greatest album of all time, due to the intent and the history behind it. i think it was the first popular record to bring together messages speaking about the ravages of war, as well as the toll our actions extend to all life forms, human or otherwise. the fact that gordy didn't want to pay any mind to it because he didn't see it as economically feasable says a lot about where his consciousness was. i do compare 'earth song' to this experience.

but i do feel you though. it's all politricks. MTV did play certain groups like the pointer sisters and rick james on their channel prior to 'billie jean' and 'beat it', but they were considered 'rock' acts, who catered to white audiences. rick james (who is about as rock as you can get) was PISSED about black artists not being in rotation. the network was judging their general associations with michael, from the J5 to 'off the wall'. both the J5 and the jacksons had traditional rock songs on their albums, but i guess that didn't count for MTV. and if anybody's followed michael's art they would know he could handle just about any style.

i don't really pay any mind to interviews though. that's all based on opinion- and i suppose it assists with revenue for these labels when people purchase an album based on a review they saw. i think of these industries working together, and they're a bit antiquated.

i think another issue is when a lot of these journalists got on michael for taking part in the event the national action network put on. people claimed he went on a tirade because his record was not selling, without awareness of the backroom industry drama. the funny thing about all that though, is that michael talked the talk and walked the walk (but none of these people reported on it)- he returned the rights to little richard's music back to him.

to consider michael simply an 'entertainer' belittles his experience in, and knowledge of the industry. to call him just a singer discredits him as a brilliant arranger and composer. i mean, he was doing what he did for 45 out of 50 years of his life. ain't no way the man was stupid, ignorant or naive of the process. yes, i will say what vogel mentioned a bit of in the interview- the actions of these writers in this case have been totally racist, particularly after a black man at the age of 25- a BABY, for all intents and purposes- wielded a lot of industry power after the purchase of ATV. he could no longer bee seen as just a 'song and dance man', but they wanted the public consciousness to remain there.

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