http://www.youtube.com/wa...3vN0vVFOIg

Here's New Edition members Bobby Brown, Ricky Bell, & Johnny Gill performing at the Key Club in LA on Sunday after the All Star Game during a after game party.

Bobby also announces you will be seeing music from New Edition in the coming year.

http://www.youtube.com/wa...3vN0vVFOIg

Here is another clip of Bobby Brown at the Grammy's confirming his new album The Masterpiece it's coming.

That was a complete mess. Bobby Brown should retire. He makes Whitney look & sound good!!

Why in the hell do they keep having Johnny Gill perform New Edition songs with them that were recorded before he was even in the group?

vainandy said:

Why in the hell do they keep having Johnny Gill perform New Edition songs with them that were recorded before he was even in the group?

The Temptations always perform My Girl, no matter who's in the group. Ronnie Wood plays on Satisfaction, even though he wasn't in The Stones when it was recorded. That's just the way it goes.

ray parker jr.'s just scratching his head... "WHAT are y'all doing to my song!?" ricky bell actually sounded decent, but he could have lowered the pitch on "but my baby wouldn't hang up on meeeee..." just as tresvant used to do, as opposed to letting the audience sing it.

it was a pretty sad performance. bobby brown, wow... and what indeed was johnny gill doing there? wow. 'mr. telephone man' is actually a pretty good jazz-pop tune. i like the arrangements on all counts.

MickyDolenz said:

vainandy said:

Why in the hell do they keep having Johnny Gill perform New Edition songs with them that were recorded before he was even in the group?

The Temptations always perform My Girl, no matter who's in the group. Ronnie Wood plays on Satisfaction, even though he wasn't in The Stones when it was recorded. That's just the way it goes.

I always thought it was stupid as hell that Johnny Gill joined New Edition in the first place because he was already a star before he joined the group. It's like he either joined or was asked to join because he was one of the very few that was their age group. Oh, those were the good ole days....the only children singers in the 1980s were Stacy Lattisaw, Janet Jackson, Johnny Gill, and New Edition. Hell, everybody else was grown.

I think they should have got someone unknown to replace Bobby Brown, not someone who was already a star. That to me seemed as rediculous as if they were to get Larry Blackman from Cameo to replace Jimmy Jam from The Time.

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vainandy said:

MickyDolenz said:

The Temptations always perform My Girl, no matter who's in the group. Ronnie Wood plays on Satisfaction, even though he wasn't in The Stones when it was recorded. That's just the way it goes.

I always thought it was stupid as hell that Johnny Gill joined New Edition in the first place because he was already a star before he joined the group. It's like he either joined or was asked to join because he was one of the very few that was their age group. Oh, those were the good ole days....the only children singers in the 1980s were Stacy Lattisaw, Janet Jackson, Johnny Gill, and New Edition. Hell, everybody else was grown.

Johnny Gill apparently was gonna replace Ralph but Ralph protested since he felt his position shouldn't be taking like that. He actually protested to not let Johnny in the group but I guess Johnny and Ralph had a heart-to-heart and Ralph agreed to let Johnny join as long as Ralph stayed in the group since he had become jealous by Bobby Brown's emerging solo success.

vainandy said:

MickyDolenz said:

The Temptations always perform My Girl, no matter who's in the group. Ronnie Wood plays on Satisfaction, even though he wasn't in The Stones when it was recorded. That's just the way it goes.

I always thought it was stupid as hell that Johnny Gill joined New Edition in the first place because he was already a star before he joined the group. It's like he either joined or was asked to join because he was one of the very few that was their age group. Oh, those were the good ole days....the only children singers in the 1980s were Stacy Lattisaw, Janet Jackson, Johnny Gill, and New Edition. Hell, everybody else was grown.

I think they should have got someone unknown to replace Bobby Brown, not someone who was already a star. That to me seemed as rediculous as if they were to get Larry Blackman from Cameo to replace Jimmy Jam from The Time.

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Sammy Hagar was already a solo performer (I Can't Drive 55) before joining Van Halen and Joe Walsh also was solo before joining The Eagles. Weren't New Kids On The Block, The Jets, 5 Star, Tracie Spencer, Shanice Wilson, Debbie Gibson, etc. also youth singers in the 80's?

yeah, gill was already a motown artist prior to joining new edition. and kim fields also had music out. there were actually more than a few child stars out there. new edition's story is actually interesting, as they took mayurice starr to court for trying tp pimp them. and starr pulled a russell simmons and worked to put out a white group similar to new edition (the beastie boys= new kids on the block). starr then put his son out.

The Beastie Boys was already a group before going to Def Jam. Two of them were at least (MCA & Mike D), and they had a girl drummer named Kate, who later was in the 90's girl band Luscious Jackson. The original Beasties were mostly doing punk rock with a little rap on the side.

vainandy said:

MickyDolenz said:

The Temptations always perform My Girl, no matter who's in the group. Ronnie Wood plays on Satisfaction, even though he wasn't in The Stones when it was recorded. That's just the way it goes.

I always thought it was stupid as hell that Johnny Gill joined New Edition in the first place because he was already a star before he joined the group. It's like he either joined or was asked to join because he was one of the very few that was their age group. Oh, those were the good ole days....the only children singers in the 1980s were Stacy Lattisaw, Janet Jackson, Johnny Gill, and New Edition. Hell, everybody else was grown.

I think they should have got someone unknown to replace Bobby Brown, not someone who was already a star. That to me seemed as rediculous as if they were to get Larry Blackman from Cameo to replace Jimmy Jam from The Time.

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Well you can't say if he should be in the group or not Johnny Gill is a member and has been since 1987 so get over it. Take your beef up with Michael Bivins cause he asked him to join and they needed someone with a mature sound to take them into adult hood and make them a respectable R&B/Soul group with Heart Break as opposed to being a teenage bubblegum fad. Bobby Brown had already grown tired of that image & singing backup. Bobby was the leader of New Edition whether people believe it or not cause Ricky, Mike, & Ralph went on record saying Bobby is the one who convinced them to join the group with him.

But they made Ralph the frontman cause of his Michael Jackson-esque vocals it wasn't a bad idea they should have given them all more chances to sing. Michael Bivins & Ronnie DeVoe found their niche in rapping cause they wanted to polish Ralph's vocals. Ricky Bell & Bobby Brown were the ones who had grown restless with the writers & producers handing Ralph the lyric sheets to sing most of the songs with them having small parts.

Bobby also found out that the managers that was assigned to them when they joined MCA was taking their money. Cause Bobby & his mom found out and went off on their ex manager Bill Dern & Bobby's mom apologized to Brooke Payne for wanting him out the picture so he later came back. The Jump N Shoot Productions & MCA Records executives took all their money and blamed it on tour expenses. Bobby heard them actually say they were just 5 ponds and had no qualms screwing them over so Bobby would boycott appearances & miss shows or performances, He refused to do things and it caused tension as Bobby Brown would get into fights with Michael Bivins & Ronnie DeVoe constantly. Ralph & Bobby always got along but they would try to show each other up onstage.

They got tired of his antics and the same folks who openly admtted they were responsible for New Edition money woes asked Ronnie, Ricky, Mike, & Ralph to vote Bobby out. Ralph wasn't happy with the vote and went to Bobby and told him what was going on and that he was the one trying to save him but Bobby said if Ron, Mike, & Ricky didn't want him there he was gone and was thinking about going solo so Ralph reluctantly agreed to vote him out only cause Bobby told him it's alright. The others later felt bad they did that. The relationship between BBD & Bobby was strained until Ralph convinced them to make up in 1988 when Bobby opened for the rest of the group on their Heart Break Tour. Ralph had his own problems with Ricky, Mike, & Ronnie which is why he almost left cause he felt Michael Bivins sometimes didn't care about anyone's feelings cause he said things to Bobby which caused fights between the two. At an award show Michael Bivins said some foul stuff to Ralph and the friendship changed plus Ricky laughed and said to Ralph, Mike is right we not friends we just business partners. Mike said that to Ralph we not friends no more we just business partners cause they making this Ralph Tresvant & the Pips.

So that's why Ralph wanted to go solo and he refused to get on a plane for a performance where they had those blue suits on with just BBD cause Bobby was kicked out & Ralph was plotting on going solo and recording his own album Living In A Dream.

So then Michael Bivins went to see The Whispers in concert and Johnny Gill was an opening act. After Johnny's performance Mike went backstage and asked if he's gotten his just due as a R&B singer and said he was like their Baby Luther. Johnny told him no so Mike told him the situation with Ralph and asked him to come in just in case Ralph left the group so Johnny did.

MCA didn't want a New Edition without Ralph so Ralph agreed to stop recording his album and returned to New Edition & he didn't know Johnny Gill joined until they got with Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis and he was pissed at first cause he thought he was being replaced but Johnny thought he was replacing Bobby it still didn't fit well. Word got to Bobby so he said he will show them on his Don't Be Cruel album After Bobby's Don't Be Cruel album dropped and had hit after hit the other guys wanted him back in New Edition but could not until the Heart Break album was done. But the others embarked on solo successes for awhile cause they wasn't cohesive cause there was still a itching for certain members to do solo things like Bobby. Bobby was back with New Edition in 1990. The Home Again album was supposed to start production in 93 but getting members together was hard but in 1994 they got all 6 together at a Soul Train Award Show and after that show they went to the studio & recorded Hear Me Out which ended up on Home Again when it finally dropped in 1996.

So now like back then they finally got all six members on board to finally do this the right way

MickyDolenz said:

The Beastie Boys was already a group before going to Def Jam. Two of them were at least (MCA & Mike D), and they had a girl drummer named Kate, who later was in the 90's girl band Luscious Jackson. The original Beasties were mostly doing punk rock with a little rap on the side.

yeah, but simmons sold them primarily as hip hop. i used to have those beastie boys punk records. they used to play at the A7 on the lower east side. kate shellenbach (i'm spelling it wrong i'm sure) was the drummer, yeah.

vainandy said:

MickyDolenz said:

The Temptations always perform My Girl, no matter who's in the group. Ronnie Wood plays on Satisfaction, even though he wasn't in The Stones when it was recorded. That's just the way it goes.

I always thought it was stupid as hell that Johnny Gill joined New Edition in the first place because he was already a star before he joined the group. It's like he either joined or was asked to join because he was one of the very few that was their age group. Oh, those were the good ole days....the only children singers in the 1980s were Stacy Lattisaw, Janet Jackson, Johnny Gill, and New Edition. Hell, everybody else was grown.

I think they should have got someone unknown to replace Bobby Brown, not someone who was already a star. That to me seemed as rediculous as if they were to get Larry Blackman from Cameo to replace Jimmy Jam from The Time.

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Johnny wasn't really a star yet and not at the level NE were at. Johnny had a few minor

hits and was mainly known for his association and duets with Stacy Lattisaw. As a solo

artist Johnny still wasn't selling records.

MickyDolenz said:

vainandy said:

I always thought it was stupid as hell that Johnny Gill joined New Edition in the first place because he was already a star before he joined the group. It's like he either joined or was asked to join because he was one of the very few that was their age group. Oh, those were the good ole days....the only children singers in the 1980s were Stacy Lattisaw, Janet Jackson, Johnny Gill, and New Edition. Hell, everybody else was grown.

I think they should have got someone unknown to replace Bobby Brown, not someone who was already a star. That to me seemed as rediculous as if they were to get Larry Blackman from Cameo to replace Jimmy Jam from The Time.

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Sammy Hagar was already a solo performer (I Can't Drive 55) before joining Van Halen and Joe Walsh also was solo before joining The Eagles. Weren't New Kids On The Block, The Jets, 5 Star, Tracie Spencer, Shanice Wilson, Debbie Gibson, etc. also youth singers in the 80's?

Van Halen just ain't Van Halen without David Lee Roth and I was never into The Eagles very much. As for Shanice, Tracie Spencer, and all them, oh I forgot about the late 1980s....but then again, I've tried to pretty much block a lot of the late 1980s out of my head beginning with 1985.

phunkdaddy said:

vainandy said:

I always thought it was stupid as hell that Johnny Gill joined New Edition in the first place because he was already a star before he joined the group. It's like he either joined or was asked to join because he was one of the very few that was their age group. Oh, those were the good ole days....the only children singers in the 1980s were Stacy Lattisaw, Janet Jackson, Johnny Gill, and New Edition. Hell, everybody else was grown.

I think they should have got someone unknown to replace Bobby Brown, not someone who was already a star. That to me seemed as rediculous as if they were to get Larry Blackman from Cameo to replace Jimmy Jam from The Time.

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Johnny wasn't really a star yet and not at the level NE were at. Johnny had a few minor

hits and was mainly known for his association and duets with Stacy Lattisaw. As a solo

artist Johnny still wasn't selling records.

Well, hit or no hit, this song from 1983 was the baddest jam of his entire career. He should have done more like this one....

phunkdaddy said:

vainandy said:

I always thought it was stupid as hell that Johnny Gill joined New Edition in the first place because he was already a star before he joined the group. It's like he either joined or was asked to join because he was one of the very few that was their age group. Oh, those were the good ole days....the only children singers in the 1980s were Stacy Lattisaw, Janet Jackson, Johnny Gill, and New Edition. Hell, everybody else was grown.

I think they should have got someone unknown to replace Bobby Brown, not someone who was already a star. That to me seemed as rediculous as if they were to get Larry Blackman from Cameo to replace Jimmy Jam from The Time.

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Johnny wasn't really a star yet and not at the level NE were at. Johnny had a few minor

hits and was mainly known for his association and duets with Stacy Lattisaw. As a solo

artist Johnny still wasn't selling records.

Yes Ricky can most definitely still hold a note as can Johnny but why in the world did we need to see Ricky's drawers for? Pull you pants up and act grown please, thanks.

missfee said:

Yes Ricky can most definitely still hold a note as can Johnny but why in the world did we need to see Ricky's drawers for? Pull you pants up and act grown please, thanks.

vainandy said:

phunkdaddy said:

Johnny wasn't really a star yet and not at the level NE were at. Johnny had a few minor

hits and was mainly known for his association and duets with Stacy Lattisaw. As a solo

artist Johnny still wasn't selling records.

Well, hit or no hit, this song from 1983 was the baddest jam of his entire career. He should have done more like this one....

Hell it seems like Johnny had already stole this song from NE anyway.

Another My Secret. As far as best jams, I would still take Rub You The Right Way.

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phunkdaddy said:

vainandy said:

Well, hit or no hit, this song from 1983 was the baddest jam of his entire career. He should have done more like this one....

Hell it seems like Johnny had already stole this song from NE anyway.

Another My Secret.

"My Secret" came out two years later after Johnny Gill's "Super Love". In 1983, New Edition was doing "Candy Girl", "Is This The End", "Jealous Girl", "Popcorn Love", etc.

"Rub You The Right Way" is a good one but all that bullshit like "My, My, My" was absolutely horrible.

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As much as I like Bobby Brown and have all of his albums, he needs a good production team to surround him. Otherwise, he just doesn't have IT. I've read that he might be doing this new album all by himself, not a good sign of things to come.

vainandy said:

phunkdaddy said:

Hell it seems like Johnny had already stole this song from NE anyway.

Another My Secret.

"My Secret" came out two years later after Johnny Gill's "Super Love". In 1983, New Edition was doing "Candy Girl", "Is This The End", "Jealous Girl", "Popcorn Love", etc.

"Rub You The Right Way" is a good one but all that bullshit like "My, My, My" was absolutely horrible.

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Man you lost it saying My My My is horrible now if this was about Soulja Boy or these new rap cats I would agree but what is horrible about My My My. I guess all you folks that don't like slow jams get funked up when you with a lady or man for the females who hate the slow songs too. Johnny gives a balance of both he's a R&B balendeer. You trippin if you say My My My is horrible that song is smooth and shows Johnny really pouring his heart out to a lady.

Jermaine88 said:

Man you lost it saying My My My is horrible now if this was about Soulja Boy or these new rap cats I would agree but what is horrible about My My My. I guess all you folks that don't like slow jams get funked up when you with a lady or man for the females who hate the slow songs too. Johnny gives a balance of both he's a R&B balendeer. You trippin if you say My My My is horrible that song is smooth and shows Johnny really pouring his heart out to a lady.

That song has Kenny G. on it, and I think that's a no no to him.

MJJstudent said:

yeah, gill was already a motown artist prior to joining new edition. and kim fields also had music out. there were actually more than a few child stars out there. new edition's story is actually interesting, as they took mayurice starr to court for trying tp pimp them. and starr pulled a russell simmons and worked to put out a white group similar to new edition (the beastie boys= new kids on the block). starr then put his son out.

I've forgotten about Perfect Gentlemen.

vainandy said:

MickyDolenz said:

The Temptations always perform My Girl, no matter who's in the group. Ronnie Wood plays on Satisfaction, even though he wasn't in The Stones when it was recorded. That's just the way it goes.

I always thought it was stupid as hell that Johnny Gill joined New Edition in the first place because he was already a star before he joined the group. It's like he either joined or was asked to join because he was one of the very few that was their age group. Oh, those were the good ole days....the only children singers in the 1980s were Stacy Lattisaw, Janet Jackson, Johnny Gill, and New Edition. Hell, everybody else was grown.

I think they should have got someone unknown to replace Bobby Brown, not someone who was already a star. That to me seemed as rediculous as if they were to get Larry Blackman from Cameo to replace Jimmy Jam from The Time.

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Michael Bivins asked Johnny to join New Edition to take Bobby's spot. Johnny sings like a man. And all of the remain original NE members were all becoming men during the production of the Heartbreak album, so having Johnny as a member help reflect that. The only minor drawback was Johnny was never a great dancer (who the hell can dance like OR better than Bobby Brown in the late 1980's?!?). And also, Ralph sings like a girl compare to Johnny!

Make no mistake, Ralph was always the primary lead vocalist of NE. But it's amazing how everything work out, giving that Johnny was a potential threat for the leadership role.

vainandy said:

phunkdaddy said:

Johnny wasn't really a star yet and not at the level NE were at. Johnny had a few minor

hits and was mainly known for his association and duets with Stacy Lattisaw. As a solo

artist Johnny still wasn't selling records.

Well, hit or no hit, this song from 1983 was the baddest jam of his entire career. He should have done more like this one....

THAT^ is 100% pure 'hood record from the 1980's! F*** a crossover!!! The good jam is still a good jam.

But of course, THIS is still my all-time favorite Johnny Gill track :

This has always been my favorite of Johnny's:

Jermaine88 said:

vainandy said:

"My Secret" came out two years later after Johnny Gill's "Super Love". In 1983, New Edition was doing "Candy Girl", "Is This The End", "Jealous Girl", "Popcorn Love", etc.

"Rub You The Right Way" is a good one but all that bullshit like "My, My, My" was absolutely horrible.

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Man you lost it saying My My My is horrible now if this was about Soulja Boy or these new rap cats I would agree but what is horrible about My My My. I guess all you folks that don't like slow jams get funked up when you with a lady or man for the females who hate the slow songs too. Johnny gives a balance of both he's a R&B balendeer. You trippin if you say My My My is horrible that song is smooth and shows Johnny really pouring his heart out to a lady.

I love some slow jams, just very few after 1984. Click the link in my signature line and you'll see the type of slow jams I love.

TonyVanDam said:

vainandy said:

Well, hit or no hit, this song from 1983 was the baddest jam of his entire career. He should have done more like this one....

THAT^ is 100% pure 'hood record from the 1980's! F*** a crossover!!! The good jam is still a good jam.

Damn right! I've got that 45 and it was always one of my favorites from 1983. An absolute jam and those explosions are hot! I downloaded that entire album from someone's blog last year and ended up deleting the whole damn thing. "Super Love" was the only jam on the entire album.