SCNDLS said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

I know why Luda wore it and his reasoning behind it. That wasn't the point. I've been to the Freedom Fund Dinner and I stand by my original statement.

Well, YOU may have known his reasoning behind it but all you posted was a picture with no explanation. Without the context of his performance others reading the thread could easily come to an inaccurate conclusion about his intent. And I stand by MY statement that Luda's use of the flag is completely different than Kid Rock's.

The comment I quoted and the words 'They', 'Freedom Fund Dinner', 'Detroit' and 'fat donation check' should have given you a clue as to whom my comment was about but I guess YOU missed all that and just saw an ignorant rapper. Umph, my bad!

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

SCNDLS said:

Well, YOU may have known his reasoning behind it but all you posted was a picture with no explanation. Without the context of his performance others reading the thread could easily come to an inaccurate conclusion about his intent. And I stand by MY statement that Luda's use of the flag is completely different than Kid Rock's.

The comment I quoted and the words 'They', 'Freedom Fund Dinner', 'Detroit' and 'fat donation check' should have given you a clue as to whom my comment was about but I guess YOU missed all that and just saw an ignorant rapper. Umph, my bad!

Girl, please. None of that explains the context of Luda's picture which is clearly what I'm talking about.

SCNDLS said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

The comment I quoted and the words 'They', 'Freedom Fund Dinner', 'Detroit' and 'fat donation check' should have given you a clue as to whom my comment was about but I guess YOU missed all that and just saw an ignorant rapper. Umph, my bad!

Girl, please. None of that explains the context of Luda's picture which is clearly what I'm talking about.

The 'context' of Luda's picture was he could come to the Freedom Dinner drapped in the confedrate flag as long as he had a fat donation check, I bet cash money, nothing would be said.

Is that explaination enough for you? Or are you just really that dense?

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

SCNDLS said:

Girl, please. None of that explains the context of Luda's picture which is clearly what I'm talking about.

The 'context' of Luda's picture was he could come to the Freedom Dinner drapped in the confedrate flag as long as he had a fat donation check, I bet cash money, nothing would be said.

Is that explaination enough for you? Or are you just really that dense?

I think you missed the point on the "why" Luda came dressed like that. It was his intention to dress like that so he could shed light on the negative images that flag conjured up. It wasn't just some fashion statemement he was making.

SonOfSoul said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

The 'context' of Luda's picture was he could come to the Freedom Dinner drapped in the confedrate flag as long as he had a fat donation check, I bet cash money, nothing would be said.

Is that explaination enough for you? Or are you just really that dense?

I think you missed the point on the "why" Luda came dressed like that. It was his intention to dress like that so he could shed light on the negative images that flag conjured up. It wasn't just some fashion statemement he was making.

That's what I got from it along with he possibly wanted to piss off some of the people who take pride in the confederate flag. I'm sure Luda realizes the negative history behind the flag and wouldn't wear it just because he could. I would hope not anyway.

SonOfSoul said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

The 'context' of Luda's picture was he could come to the Freedom Dinner drapped in the confedrate flag as long as he had a fat donation check, I bet cash money, nothing would be said.

Is that explaination enough for you? Or are you just really that dense?

I think you missed the point on the "why" Luda came dressed like that. It was his intention to dress like that so he could shed light on the negative images that flag conjured up. It wasn't just some fashion statemement he was making.

My point wasn't about Luda. My point was about the members of the Detroit Chapter of the NAACP, that are boycotting Kid Rock, being full of shit. Nothing more, nothing less.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

SCNDLS said:

Girl, please. None of that explains the context of Luda's picture which is clearly what I'm talking about.

The 'context' of Luda's picture was he could come to the Freedom Dinner drapped in the confedrate flag as long as he had a fat donation check, I bet cash money, nothing would be said.

Is that explaination enough for you? Or are you just really that dense?

Name calling? Really?

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

SonOfSoul said:

I think you missed the point on the "why" Luda came dressed like that. It was his intention to dress like that so he could shed light on the negative images that flag conjured up. It wasn't just some fashion statemement he was making.

My point wasn't about Luda. My point was about the members of the Detroit Chapter of the NAACP, that are boycotting Kid Rock, being full of shit. Nothing more, nothing less.

Isn't that what most orgers are saying in this thread?

SCNDLS said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

The 'context' of Luda's picture was he could come to the Freedom Dinner drapped in the confedrate flag as long as he had a fat donation check, I bet cash money, nothing would be said.

Is that explaination enough for you? Or are you just really that dense?

Name calling? Really?

I didn't call you a name. I questioned your comprehension level but nevermind.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

SCNDLS said:

Name calling? Really?

I didn't call you a name. I questioned your comprehension level but nevermind.

And where did I post anything worthy of you being insulting towards me? But no matter, I've come to expect unprovoked, unnecessary insults from you. SSDD

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

SonOfSoul said:

I think you missed the point on the "why" Luda came dressed like that. It was his intention to dress like that so he could shed light on the negative images that flag conjured up. It wasn't just some fashion statemement he was making.

My point wasn't about Luda. My point was about the members of the Detroit Chapter of the NAACP, that are boycotting Kid Rock, being full of shit. Nothing more, nothing less.

Ok but the problem with that is you posted a picture of Luda, so how is that showing the NAACP is full of shit?

Why was kid sleeping in Russy's room on Run's house?

Kid Rock always seemed like a cretin to me in spite of his privileged upbringing.

The cluelessness of the Naacp doesn't surprise me after that debacle where they denounced the woman from the Dept of Agriculture without reviewing their own damn video.

Thanks for the explanation of Luda's performance...for a minute there I didn't know what to make of it.

SCNDLS said:

HotGritz said:

Kid Rock been donning that confederate flag since jump. He's a cracker southeren white boy and he grew up with that flag. He has a black son for crying out loud. Dude isn't racist. Maybe a tad low on the IQ pole but not racist. I get the sensitivity around the use of the flag but like I said, dude been donning that flag since we first saw him and to expect him to change now is ridiculous. That's like expecting Bill Clinton to all of a sudden stop being a ho. Some things are just set in stone.

Actually, no he's not. Dude is from Michigan and grew up richer than a muthafucka. His father owned several car dealerships and he grew up on an estate.

LOL. That is really funny for some reason.

SonOfSoul said:

sosgemini said:

Change doesn't happen over night and the world is full of gray. Not gonna try and defend their decision to award the dude but I do stand by statement in general terms.

But we're talking about this specific canse, and in this specific case, that statement holds no water since the explanation of why the flag is disrespectful obviously fell on Kid Rock's deaf ears. This is why the NAACP needs to be slapped for honoring his dumb ass.

Have the chapter explained their justification for the honor?

sosgemini said:

SonOfSoul said:

But we're talking about this specific canse, and in this specific case, that statement holds no water since the explanation of why the flag is disrespectful obviously fell on Kid Rock's deaf ears. This is why the NAACP needs to be slapped for honoring his dumb ass.

Have the chapter explained their justification for the honor?

http://www.clickondetroit...etail.html

"Kid Rock is someone who is committed to Detroit and the future success of our city, and that is why we have chosen to honor him with our Great Expectations Award. We have great expectations that Kid Rock will continue to represent all the people of our great city. We are not familiar with the particular group leading this protest, but all are entitled to their own opinions."

Translation: A fat ass donation!

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

sosgemini said:

http://www.clickondetroit...etail.html

"Kid Rock is someone who is committed to Detroit and the future success of our city, and that is why we have chosen to honor him with our Great Expectations Award. We have great expectations that Kid Rock will continue to represent all the people of our great city. We are not familiar with the particular group leading this protest, but all are entitled to their own opinions."

Translation: A fat ass donation!

Just playing devil's advocate here but how much good can be done with that money? How many wrongly convited black men will be able to have their civil rights advocated for because of that money?

Oh late, politics appears to be too white or black with no gray. Shoot, republicans appear to have forgotten that Reagan was a union leader these days so I can't help give the benefit of the doubt to, umm, more intellegent movements.

sosgemini said:

SonOfSoul said:

But we're talking about this specific canse, and in this specific case, that statement holds no water since the explanation of why the flag is disrespectful obviously fell on Kid Rock's deaf ears. This is why the NAACP needs to be slapped for honoring his dumb ass.

Have the chapter explained their justification for the honor?

How could they justify it? And if they try to explain it, it better be damn good to justify it.

This is the last thing I'm gonna say on this subject because it's what's on my mind and as always I give it straight up with no chaser.

Take it how you want it...makes no nevermind to me!

The reason that I say and stand by the notion that the Detroit Chapter of the NAACP is full of shit is because I've NEVER seen nor heard about Kid Rock on the streets of Detroit.

Yeah, yeah, yeah! I know he's been all up and through downtown. He's been at the Joe Louis Arena, Cobo, the Fox Theatre, Comerica Park, Ford Field, etc. doing what he does best and that's all well and good but I've NEVER...EVER...ONCE...heard of him being in Detroit nor caring about Detroit and it's people!

If anybody...should be receiving the award they want to give Kid Rock...in my eyes...it's Eminem!

Not because I happen to like Eminem and his music but because of what I happen to KNOW of Eminem and his love for Detroit!

I've heard about and witnessed his love for Detroit and it's people, first hand!

I've seen Eminem in his early days hanging around 7 Mile and Runyon. Kicking it...up at what used to be Osborn High School. Chillin' across the street in the parking lot of that fucked up ass Coney Island.

I've seen Eminem crusing down Chalmer's St. on the Eastside after he made it big. Pulling up in the gas station, at the intersection of the Whitt. (Houston-Whittier for those that don't know). Talking to and encouraging kids, he'd never seen before in his life.

At his best friend Proof's funeral, if you can find the video footage, the young man to the left of him, standing off to the side, that he gestured to in his remarks...was my only son. Who drove up here from Ohio and got in line to pay his last respects to a man that he admired, after getting off work at 7 am that morning. I can't even begin to tell you how much that meant to him.

I can't calculate how much money Eminem has contributed to the betterment of the city of Detroit, though quite puposely...I'm certain...bypassing the NAACP.

So I'll let Eminem express his love for the city that he and I call and will always...truly consider...HOME...in his own words.

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[Edited 3/14/11 23:19pm]

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

This is the last thing I'm gonna say on this subject because it's what's on my mind and as always I give it straight up with no chaser.

Take it how you want it...makes no nevermind to me!

The reason that I say and stand by the notion that the Detroit Chapter of the NAACP is full of shit is because I've NEVER seen nor heard about Kid Rock on the streets of Detroit.

Yeah, yeah, yeah! I know he's been all up and through downtown. He's been at the Joe Louis Arena, Cobo, the Fox Theatre, Comerica Park, Ford Field, etc. doing what he does best and that's all well and good but I've NEVER...EVER...ONCE...heard of him being in Detroit nor caring about Detroit and it's people!

If anybody...should be receiving the award they want to give Kid Rock...in my eyes...it's Eminem!

Not because I happen to like Eminem and his music but because of what I happen to KNOW of Eminem and his love for Detroit!

I've heard about and witnessed his love for Detroit and it's people, first hand!

I've seen Eminem in his early days hanging around 7 Mile and Runyon. Kicking it...up at what used to be Osborn High School. Chillin' across the street in the parking lot of that fucked up ass Coney Island.

I've seen Eminem crusing down Chalmer's St. on the Eastside after he made it big. Pulling up in the gas station, at the intersection of the Whitt. (Houston-Whittier for those that don't know). Talking to and encouraging kids, he'd never seen before in his life.

At his best friend Proof's funeral, if you can find the video footage, the young man to the left of him, standing off to the side, that he gestured to in his remarks...was my only son. Who drove up here from Ohio and got in line to pay his last respects to a man that he admired, after getting off work at 7 am that morning. I can't even begin to tell you how much that meant to him.

I can't calculate how much money Eminem has contributed to the betterment of the city of Detroit, though quite puposely...I'm certain...bypassing the NAACP.

So I'll let Eminem express his love for the city that he and I call and will always...truly consider...HOME...in his own words.

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[Edited 3/14/11 23:19pm]

Well...if I'm going to actually keep it....REAL...about the D! There is a little something...I neglected to mention.

Now...I'm officially out this bitch!

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[Edited 3/15/11 0:44am]

SCNDLS said:

HotGritz said:

Kid Rock been donning that confederate flag since jump. He's a cracker southeren white boy and he grew up with that flag. He has a black son for crying out loud. Dude isn't racist. Maybe a tad low on the IQ pole but not racist. I get the sensitivity around the use of the flag but like I said, dude been donning that flag since we first saw him and to expect him to change now is ridiculous. That's like expecting Bill Clinton to all of a sudden stop being a ho. Some things are just set in stone.

Actually, no he's not. Dude is from Michigan and grew up richer than a muthafucka. His father owned several car dealerships and he grew up on an estate.

You know, I've always tried to figure that one out; Kid is a middle class dude from Michegan, the whole "Redneck Pop" thing he does always felt like marketing to me- like dude found a niche market, filled a void, and ran away with it to make his millions.

scriptgirl said:

Why was kid sleeping in Russy's room on Run's house?

Hell, with all them kids they apparently didn't have a guest room. So they gave him Russy's bedroom. He was so funny on that ep. When he found out Russy was into rock music and was learning guitar he bought him a $5000 guitar. He was acting like the crazy, cool uncle.

Ottensen said:

SCNDLS said:

Actually, no he's not. Dude is from Michigan and grew up richer than a muthafucka. His father owned several car dealerships and he grew up on an estate.

You know, I've always tried to figure that one out; Kid is a middle class dude from Michegan, the whole "Redneck Pop" thing he does always felt like marketing to me- like dude found a niche market, filled a void, and ran away with it to make his millions.

Cuz when he FIRST got a record deal he looked, sounded and acted completely different. He was hardcore hip-hop. But then he found this "niche" and it was on and poppin.

Ottensen said:

SCNDLS said:

Actually, no he's not. Dude is from Michigan and grew up richer than a muthafucka. His father owned several car dealerships and he grew up on an estate.

You know, I've always tried to figure that one out; Kid is a middle class dude from Michegan, the whole "Redneck Pop" thing he does always felt like marketing to me- like dude found a niche market, filled a void, and ran away with it to make his millions.

That's what it's always seemed like to me, too. And I imagine his incorporation of Confederate flag imagery in his shows, etc, is part of creating the whole Kid Rock 'brand', rather than necessarily a reflection of some kind of deeply-held racist commitments. At least it seems that way to me, from reading what other people have said in his defence here.

As far as the discussion on this thread about the racist or offensive aspects of using the flag is concerned, though (and I mean this generally, rather than aimed at anyone in particular), I understand what people are saying about his own personal beliefs and the way he is inclined towards Black people; and it may well be that he's a very tolerant individual, and even that he had no intention to offend by using the flag. Even if that's the case, though, the act itself is still offensive, because the meaning of words and symbols doesn't solely rest on the intentions of the person using them. (Should I choose to start calling my boss "c*ntface" because I've decided it now means something inoffensive, I'll learn that the hard way, for example!) Something like the Confederate flag objectively has a whole history tied up with racism that you can't just will away, and, in my opinion, he really should have taken on board the criticism that many people could reasonably find it offensive. It seems kind of insensitive that he put his own self-interested marketing strategy above that.

WaterInYourBath said:

SCNDLS said:

Actually, no he's not. Dude is from Michigan and grew up richer than a muthafucka. His father owned several car dealerships and he grew up on an estate.

LOL. That is really funny for some reason.

If you think that one is funny, look at Rick Ross, rapping about dope and women, but he was a cop or was it corrections?

Ottensen said:

SCNDLS said:

Actually, no he's not. Dude is from Michigan and grew up richer than a muthafucka. His father owned several car dealerships and he grew up on an estate.

You know, I've always tried to figure that one out; Kid is a middle class dude from Michegan, the whole "Redneck Pop" thing he does always felt like marketing to me- like dude found a niche market, filled a void, and ran away with it to make his millions.

Anything for a chuckle to the bank, and he's not the only one

sosgemini said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Just playing devil's advocate here but how much good can be done with that money? How many wrongly convited black men will be able to have their civil rights advocated for because of that money?

Oh late, politics appears to be too white or black with no gray. Shoot, republicans appear to have forgotten that Reagan was a union leader these days so I can't help give the benefit of the doubt to, umm, more intellegent movements.

One unstable organization, very political.

angel345 said:

sosgemini said:

Just playing devil's advocate here but how much good can be done with that money? How many wrongly convited black men will be able to have their civil rights advocated for because of that money?

Oh late, politics appears to be too white or black with no gray. Shoot, republicans appear to have forgotten that Reagan was a union leader these days so I can't help give the benefit of the doubt to, umm, more intellegent movements.

One unstable organization, very political.

Isn't that their point? How else do you advance civil rights?

Kid Rock is very convincing as a redneck. I can't believe Pam Anderson fucked him. He looks like he needs a bath...preferably in Lysol.