All MJ fans want is for the family to behave decently on a moral and intelectual level. Two words they never knew. Pretty easy, huh?
When a grandmother tries to contractually bind her minor grandchildren to a porn producer for life to get money for her pockets while those very grandchildren won't make a dime, something is VERY wrong. When you have a family accusing a deceased relative of being a junkie despite the fact that he wasn't, in order to get a settlement from a company, something is VERY wrong. And the list goes on. [Edited 2/19/11 11:45am] | |
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uuuh... you are mis-interpreting what i am saying. you are a bit passionate about an opinion. i think the best thing to do is to respectfully agree to dis-agree. i have not labelled anyone here because we vary in opinion. why am i a 'moron' because we have different views?
katherine has a history of using michael in order to gain money. this is no secret. as i mentioned before, there is the moonies fiasco... a fiasco she had been in the midst of a lawsuit over. it's also no secret that she attached herself to the victory tour in order to get michael to do it. i personally find those greedy moves. if you do not, i can respect that.
i don't really know what a 'stan' is, so i cannot answer to that. what i am saying is that, as i ALSO said before, is that people should call out these interviewers who want to focus on michael. janet IDEALLY should say, "i have a project, i would rather talk about that, thank you. NOT my brother." i personally find that more respectful to michael. i'm not sure why this is such a problem.
in his interviews with boteach, michael thougt so too. this is about his brothers: "they would jump on anything, any second. if anybody said, "i want to interview you tomorrow about michael's new style of dress, "sure". 'cause they just want to be on tv, to be on tv."
why do people have to ride the coattails of michael's talents, and not depend on their own? this is what i am saying. if you don't agree and feel they should, fine. i happen to think they are evil and you do not. fine. but to get angry and call me a 'moron'. i'm not sure what the point of that is. we can have a dialog as well as be respectful of peoples' differing opinions. thank you, and have a wonderful day. | |
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there ya go. exactly. and it is okay to have these views. i am not sure why there is anger over difference in opinion. we are all adults here, i would presume. | |
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Who is Gina Sprague and who is Jovanna? "Lack of home training crosses all boundaries." | |
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It was Randy, then he and Katherine moved her into Hayvenhurst. She had Geneieve in '90 (the same year Randy's wife had her daughter), then Randy Jr. in 1993 then 2 years later, she got with Jermaine who was also living in the house with his 2nd wife
She's been living in Hayvenhurst for 20 years. She lived there longer than Michael did "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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Gina Sprague is a woman who was allegedly having an affair with Joe and apparently got attacked by Katherine, Randy, and Janet.
Jo Vonnie is Joe's illegitimate child from an extramarital affair while the family was in Vegas doing a periodical gig at the MGM Grand. "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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True story. Alejandra was with Randy first and then cheated on him with Jermaine. All 5 of Alejandra's children are siblings/cousins! | |
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Are you kidding? LaToya, Michael, & Janet NEVER lived in Hayvenhurst as long as Alejandra has. | |
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i didnt call you a moron because of your opinions, if you read my statement i clearly said 'if you think janet can do press for her projects and not get asked about mj' then yes you pretty much a moron because we all know thats not gonna happen.im not angry i just happen to have a different opinion, i dont think all jacksons not names michael or his kids are evil and i dont blame somebody else for all of michael's problems.i also happen to think mj was an addict and see no problem with his family admitting they knew he had a problem, which is what janet said, she never called him a junkie like fans like to claim. michael was a great artists with a good heart but he was human with flaws and made alot of bad decisions. all of his problems did not come at the hands of others. | |
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She should hook up with Joe. Go straight to the source, do the IVF thing and have quintuplets so Joe can put those kids to work.
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I'm just so tired of this family (and its in-laws). Nobody really cares about them unless they mention Michael (or Janet to a lesser degree). I never seen a famous family make as much mistakes as this one! | |
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Go Get em? Randy & Jermaine I could understand,but not Katherine & it is her house,she should get the fuck out.
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LOL Like his old ass has any sperm left. | |
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I cain't... | |
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DAG, yo! | |
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oh believe me... i am one of the biggest critics of michael, and i get a lot of grief for it. however, i also think that putting one's business out there like that is just crazy, and disrespectful. if indeed michael had an issue (and he certainly did admit to a painkiller addiction in the 1990s) i think it should be dealt with privately, just as i think this issue with alejandra should. there is no need for this created drama. | |
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true there is always drama when it comes to this family but how exactly can it be dealt with privately, mj died . there is nothing left to cover up, how can anybody say that there was nothing wrong? mj's death caught all of us off guard, but to be honest the only people i've talked to who seems suprised that drugs were the cause of his death are his online fan community. far as alejandra its already common knowledge that she screwed 2 brothers and had kids with both, she is trifling and so is jermaine, since randy had her 1st i cant blame him for that but he is also trifling for not raising his own kids and sticking his responsibilities on his mother. alejandra is a dysfunctional mess,perfect for reality tv. i know fans are worried about her talking about michael ,who i doubt she spent much time around. mj was gone before she moved in so how much secrets can she know about him? | |
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truthfully, i cannot say... in relation to my experience the fan base, i do concur there is an ideal image many fans want to uphold, and drugs is not a part of that scheme. however, more than a few fans do acknowledge his drug dependencies. this cannot be denied, especially since michael himself was open about it. alas, this is the major issue i have with idolatry- the object of your affections happens to be left out of the collective human experience. michael was a man with many faults; this doesn't mean he was a bad person. but when we acknowledge those faults then we can grasp a better understanding of his humanity.
this is why, even though i do not agree with alejandra's actions, i refuse to label her. she's acting out in an environment which advocates this kind of stuff. it's the culture of excess; a culture michael also lent himself to, just as his blood relativees lent themselves to it.
to answer your question about michael's transition; i think just as the fact that the children were abused was a major secret to most when they were coming up; as well as the many secrets kept when they became adults, they could also make this issue private. i think the hunger to bee seen in some way drives these events (and news stories) to occur.
if alejandra is truly a mess; for the sake of her children she should seek help. the fathers of those children should assist in that help, if they are serious about being parents. it appears as if no one is thinking about the children. this is my main concern.
i have no idea what she would say about michael and personally, i do not care. what damage could she do, moreso than others have done when he was physically here...? again, the health of all the children is what is most important. | |
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Word! I agree with lowkey on this! | |
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read my messages to lowkey. we've been discussing it, it's been nice. | |
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Randy has four children, Stevanna from his first marriage, Randy married Alejandra on February 13th 1993.
Mrs Jackson wanted Alejandra to move out of the Jackson compound some time ago, she was offered the family condo to live in, but that wasn't enough, she wanted a substantial amount of cash too.
MJ L.O.V.E: https://www.facebook.com/...689&type=2 / YOUTUBE: http://www.youtube.com/us...nderSilent | |
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and this is where i wonder whether legally she has a point. all of these years, katherine was her de facto provider, even before the judge (allegedly) enforced a ruling that alejandra and her children were entitled to remain at hayvenhurst.
katherine was getting her money from mj. so even though mj has a will and trust designating only certain people, couldn't alejandra's lawyers argue that katherine cannot disavow her 'obligation' (and it became her obligation the minute she allowed alejandra to stay and not make her sons own up to their responsibility), and that to the extent mj was the one who was ultimately responsible for maintaining all of them in the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed, mj's estate has no right to ask her and the kids to leave the residence, and indeed, has a responsibility to continue to provide for all of them?
it's sort of like men who find out after many years that they're not the fathers of the kids they've been providing for. here in california, a judge will make men continue to provide child support because the damage to the child, psychological and financial, is considered more important than the man's betrayal. couldn't it be argued that mj is the de facto father to all of alejandra's kids? he's the one who was ultimately responsible for the roof over their heads and clothes on their backs. his estate's position that only katherine and mj3 are entitled to any support notwithstanding, i'm curious to know if a judge will look at the other factors at work here. there's a hearing in a few weeks, so it should be interesting! | |
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Hmmm, that's a very interesting point you make! MJ L.O.V.E: https://www.facebook.com/...689&type=2 / YOUTUBE: http://www.youtube.com/us...nderSilent | |
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THIS always disgusts me. Randy and J-Fab's children are brothers/cousins. I wonder how the kids will feel about that when they're older | |
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The woman a total ho, but then again...so are the brothers | |
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Thats just what she is...I mean, it's cool for brothers to smash the same female (), but dont be stupid and get her pregnant... | |
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No wonder dude never did a follow up album after Randy & The Gypsys debut. His life was busy and full of drama. Don't laugh at my funk
This funk is a serious joint | |
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she loses cool points for letting Jermaine Jackson smash, but for letting BOTH Jermaine AND Randy "I wear my clothes 3 times smaller my size with bangles while smizing on these hoes" Jackson BUST INSIDE her raw?
She fails all aound "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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