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Reply #30 posted 02/19/11 11:42am

MOL

lowkey said:

MJJstudent said:

the thing is, all this money NOT going to michael's children (and to katherine) could be used towards a good p.r. firm. they are allowing TMZ and them to put their business out there in the open because to this family, all news is good news, it seems.

to me, the ONLY people who should recieve ANY money from the 'estate' are michael's three children. if any money goes to katherine it should be for the sole purpose of caring for the kids. she is hooking up with howard man, and has made faulty quick-money deals over the years (like the moonies fiasco). NO ONE, and i repeat, NO ONE should recieve any of michael's money, except for PARIS, PRINCE AND BLANKET.

all of this is a disgrace to his legacy. you notice how when katherine was working to divorce joe twice, it didn't get this much coverage. people knew, but it was an open industry secret. the same with the gina sprague issue. the same with jo'vonnie. they worked to keep a lid on that stuff as much as they could, even if it was a poor job.

the whole thing with janet and giving up her baby, all the stuff with michael (whether or not he was the one to begin the rumors)... they had a lockdown on which information got out. and now all of this.

evil, evil, evil...

if michael named his mom as an heir in his will who da hell are you to say what she shouldnt get? you mj stans need to make up your minds, one minute you happy that mj left his siblings and father out of his business, now you want them to put a stop to the stories about the money and the catalog,ect. so janet shouldnt work because michael died? i read her book and she is in no way using his death to promote nothing, if you think she can do press and not get asked about her superstar brother who died then you are a moron. if fans spent more time celebrating his music and his good deeds instead of trying to raise his kids,and spend his moneyhis legacy will be fine.

All MJ fans want is for the family to behave decently on a moral and intelectual level. Two words they never knew. Pretty easy, huh?

When a grandmother tries to contractually bind her minor grandchildren to a porn producer for life to get money for her pockets while those very grandchildren won't make a dime, something is VERY wrong. When you have a family accusing a deceased relative of being a junkie despite the fact that he wasn't, in order to get a settlement from a company, something is VERY wrong. And the list goes on.

[Edited 2/19/11 11:45am]

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Reply #31 posted 02/19/11 1:28pm

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lowkey said:

MJJstudent said:

the thing is, all this money NOT going to michael's children (and to katherine) could be used towards a good p.r. firm. they are allowing TMZ and them to put their business out there in the open because to this family, all news is good news, it seems.

to me, the ONLY people who should recieve ANY money from the 'estate' are michael's three children. if any money goes to katherine it should be for the sole purpose of caring for the kids. she is hooking up with howard man, and has made faulty quick-money deals over the years (like the moonies fiasco). NO ONE, and i repeat, NO ONE should recieve any of michael's money, except for PARIS, PRINCE AND BLANKET.

all of this is a disgrace to his legacy. you notice how when katherine was working to divorce joe twice, it didn't get this much coverage. people knew, but it was an open industry secret. the same with the gina sprague issue. the same with jo'vonnie. they worked to keep a lid on that stuff as much as they could, even if it was a poor job.

the whole thing with janet and giving up her baby, all the stuff with michael (whether or not he was the one to begin the rumors)... they had a lockdown on which information got out. and now all of this.

evil, evil, evil...

if michael named his mom as an heir in his will who da hell are you to say what she shouldnt get? you mj stans need to make up your minds, one minute you happy that mj left his siblings and father out of his business, now you want them to put a stop to the stories about the money and the catalog,ect. so janet shouldnt work because michael died? i read her book and she is in no way using his death to promote nothing, if you think she can do press and not get asked about her superstar brother who died then you are a moron. if fans spent more time celebrating his music and his good deeds instead of trying to raise his kids,and spend his moneyhis legacy will be fine.

uuuh... you are mis-interpreting what i am saying. you are a bit passionate about an opinion. i think the best thing to do is to respectfully agree to dis-agree. i have not labelled anyone here because we vary in opinion. why am i a 'moron' because we have different views?

katherine has a history of using michael in order to gain money. this is no secret. as i mentioned before, there is the moonies fiasco... a fiasco she had been in the midst of a lawsuit over. it's also no secret that she attached herself to the victory tour in order to get michael to do it. i personally find those greedy moves. if you do not, i can respect that.

i don't really know what a 'stan' is, so i cannot answer to that. what i am saying is that, as i ALSO said before, is that people should call out these interviewers who want to focus on michael. janet IDEALLY should say, "i have a project, i would rather talk about that, thank you. NOT my brother." i personally find that more respectful to michael. i'm not sure why this is such a problem.

in his interviews with boteach, michael thougt so too. this is about his brothers: "they would jump on anything, any second. if anybody said, "i want to interview you tomorrow about michael's new style of dress, "sure". 'cause they just want to be on tv, to be on tv."

why do people have to ride the coattails of michael's talents, and not depend on their own? this is what i am saying. if you don't agree and feel they should, fine. i happen to think they are evil and you do not. fine. but to get angry and call me a 'moron'. i'm not sure what the point of that is. we can have a dialog as well as be respectful of peoples' differing opinions. thank you, and have a wonderful day.

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Reply #32 posted 02/19/11 1:29pm

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MOL said:

lowkey said:

if michael named his mom as an heir in his will who da hell are you to say what she shouldnt get? you mj stans need to make up your minds, one minute you happy that mj left his siblings and father out of his business, now you want them to put a stop to the stories about the money and the catalog,ect. so janet shouldnt work because michael died? i read her book and she is in no way using his death to promote nothing, if you think she can do press and not get asked about her superstar brother who died then you are a moron. if fans spent more time celebrating his music and his good deeds instead of trying to raise his kids,and spend his moneyhis legacy will be fine.

All MJ fans want is for the family to behave decently on a moral and intelectual level. Two words they never knew. Pretty easy, huh?

When a grandmother tries to contractually bind her minor grandchildren to a porn producer for life to get money for her pockets while those very grandchildren won't make a dime, something is VERY wrong. When you have a family accusing a deceased relative of being a junkie despite the fact that he wasn't, in order to get a settlement from a company, something is VERY wrong. And the list goes on.

[Edited 2/19/11 11:45am]

there ya go. exactly. and it is okay to have these views. i am not sure why there is anger over difference in opinion. we are all adults here, i would presume.

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Reply #33 posted 02/19/11 2:53pm

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Who is Gina Sprague and who is Jovanna?

"Lack of home training crosses all boundaries."
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Reply #34 posted 02/19/11 3:13pm

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Who did she lay down with first? It was Randy right? It just doesn't say something about her character it says something about Claymaine's standards as well.

It was Randy, then he and Katherine moved her into Hayvenhurst. She had Geneieve in '90 (the same year Randy's wife had her daughter), then Randy Jr. in 1993 then 2 years later, she got with Jermaine who was also living in the house with his 2nd wife

She's been living in Hayvenhurst for 20 years. She lived there longer than Michael did lol

"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
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Reply #35 posted 02/19/11 3:17pm

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Who is Gina Sprague and who is Jovanna?

Gina Sprague is a woman who was allegedly having an affair with Joe and apparently got attacked by Katherine, Randy, and Janet.

Jo Vonnie is Joe's illegitimate child from an extramarital affair while the family was in Vegas doing a periodical gig at the MGM Grand.

"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
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Reply #36 posted 02/19/11 7:12pm

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Hold up! eek So this woman has kids by not just 1, but 2 Jackson brothers? shake disbelief barf I can't. faint

True story. Alejandra was with Randy first and then cheated on him with Jermaine. All 5 of Alejandra's children are siblings/cousins!

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Reply #37 posted 02/19/11 7:15pm

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bboy87 said:

musicjunky318 said:

Who did she lay down with first? It was Randy right? It just doesn't say something about her character it says something about Claymaine's standards as well.

It was Randy, then he and Katherine moved her into Hayvenhurst. She had Geneieve in '90 (the same year Randy's wife had her daughter), then Randy Jr. in 1993 then 2 years later, she got with Jermaine who was also living in the house with his 2nd wife

She's been living in Hayvenhurst for 20 years. She lived there longer than Michael did lol

Are you kidding? LaToya, Michael, & Janet NEVER lived in Hayvenhurst as long as Alejandra has. lol

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Reply #38 posted 02/19/11 7:24pm

lowkey

MJJstudent said:

MOL said:

All MJ fans want is for the family to behave decently on a moral and intelectual level. Two words they never knew. Pretty easy, huh?

When a grandmother tries to contractually bind her minor grandchildren to a porn producer for life to get money for her pockets while those very grandchildren won't make a dime, something is VERY wrong. When you have a family accusing a deceased relative of being a junkie despite the fact that he wasn't, in order to get a settlement from a company, something is VERY wrong. And the list goes on.

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there ya go. exactly. and it is okay to have these views. i am not sure why there is anger over difference in opinion. we are all adults here, i would presume.

i didnt call you a moron because of your opinions, if you read my statement i clearly said 'if you think janet can do press for her projects and not get asked about mj' then yes you pretty much a moron because we all know thats not gonna happen.im not angry i just happen to have a different opinion, i dont think all jacksons not names michael or his kids are evil and i dont blame somebody else for all of michael's problems.i also happen to think mj was an addict and see no problem with his family admitting they knew he had a problem, which is what janet said, she never called him a junkie like fans like to claim. michael was a great artists with a good heart but he was human with flaws and made alot of bad decisions. all of his problems did not come at the hands of others.

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Reply #39 posted 02/19/11 8:32pm

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She should hook up with Joe. Go straight to the source, do the IVF thing and have quintuplets so Joe can put those kids to work.

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Reply #40 posted 02/19/11 8:34pm

Timmy84

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She should hook up with Joe. Go straight to the source, do the IVF thing and have quintuplets so Joe can put those kids to work.

lol

I'm just so tired of this family (and its in-laws). Nobody really cares about them unless they mention Michael (or Janet to a lesser degree). I never seen a famous family make as much mistakes as this one!

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Reply #41 posted 02/19/11 10:44pm

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Go Get em?

Randy & Jermaine I could understand,but not Katherine & it is her house,she should get the fuck out.

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Go get 'em girl!!!!

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Reply #42 posted 02/19/11 10:52pm

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dalsh327 said:

She should hook up with Joe. Go straight to the source, do the IVF thing and have quintuplets so Joe can put those kids to work.

LOL Like his old ass has any sperm left.

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Reply #43 posted 02/19/11 11:02pm

SherryJackson

musicjunky318 said:

dalsh327 said:

She should hook up with Joe. Go straight to the source, do the IVF thing and have quintuplets so Joe can put those kids to work.

LOL Like his old ass has any sperm left.

faint I cain't...falloff

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Reply #44 posted 02/19/11 11:13pm

Timmy84

musicjunky318 said:

dalsh327 said:

She should hook up with Joe. Go straight to the source, do the IVF thing and have quintuplets so Joe can put those kids to work.

LOL Like his old ass has any sperm left.

lol

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Reply #45 posted 02/20/11 8:18pm

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musicjunky318 said:

dalsh327 said:

She should hook up with Joe. Go straight to the source, do the IVF thing and have quintuplets so Joe can put those kids to work.

LOL Like his old ass has any sperm left.

DAG, yo!

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Reply #46 posted 02/20/11 8:22pm

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lowkey said:

MJJstudent said:

there ya go. exactly. and it is okay to have these views. i am not sure why there is anger over difference in opinion. we are all adults here, i would presume.

i didnt call you a moron because of your opinions, if you read my statement i clearly said 'if you think janet can do press for her projects and not get asked about mj' then yes you pretty much a moron because we all know thats not gonna happen.im not angry i just happen to have a different opinion, i dont think all jacksons not names michael or his kids are evil and i dont blame somebody else for all of michael's problems.i also happen to think mj was an addict and see no problem with his family admitting they knew he had a problem, which is what janet said, she never called him a junkie like fans like to claim. michael was a great artists with a good heart but he was human with flaws and made alot of bad decisions. all of his problems did not come at the hands of others.

oh believe me... i am one of the biggest critics of michael, and i get a lot of grief for it. however, i also think that putting one's business out there like that is just crazy, and disrespectful. if indeed michael had an issue (and he certainly did admit to a painkiller addiction in the 1990s) i think it should be dealt with privately, just as i think this issue with alejandra should. there is no need for this created drama.

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Reply #47 posted 02/20/11 8:56pm

lowkey

MJJstudent said:

lowkey said:

i didnt call you a moron because of your opinions, if you read my statement i clearly said 'if you think janet can do press for her projects and not get asked about mj' then yes you pretty much a moron because we all know thats not gonna happen.im not angry i just happen to have a different opinion, i dont think all jacksons not names michael or his kids are evil and i dont blame somebody else for all of michael's problems.i also happen to think mj was an addict and see no problem with his family admitting they knew he had a problem, which is what janet said, she never called him a junkie like fans like to claim. michael was a great artists with a good heart but he was human with flaws and made alot of bad decisions. all of his problems did not come at the hands of others.

oh believe me... i am one of the biggest critics of michael, and i get a lot of grief for it. however, i also think that putting one's business out there like that is just crazy, and disrespectful. if indeed michael had an issue (and he certainly did admit to a painkiller addiction in the 1990s) i think it should be dealt with privately, just as i think this issue with alejandra should. there is no need for this created drama.

true there is always drama when it comes to this family but how exactly can it be dealt with privately, mj died . there is nothing left to cover up, how can anybody say that there was nothing wrong? mj's death caught all of us off guard, but to be honest the only people i've talked to who seems suprised that drugs were the cause of his death are his online fan community. far as alejandra its already common knowledge that she screwed 2 brothers and had kids with both, she is trifling and so is jermaine, since randy had her 1st i cant blame him for that but he is also trifling for not raising his own kids and sticking his responsibilities on his mother. alejandra is a dysfunctional mess,perfect for reality tv. i know fans are worried about her talking about michael ,who i doubt she spent much time around. mj was gone before she moved in so how much secrets can she know about him?

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Reply #48 posted 02/21/11 12:17am

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lowkey said:

MJJstudent said:

oh believe me... i am one of the biggest critics of michael, and i get a lot of grief for it. however, i also think that putting one's business out there like that is just crazy, and disrespectful. if indeed michael had an issue (and he certainly did admit to a painkiller addiction in the 1990s) i think it should be dealt with privately, just as i think this issue with alejandra should. there is no need for this created drama.

true there is always drama when it comes to this family but how exactly can it be dealt with privately, mj died . there is nothing left to cover up, how can anybody say that there was nothing wrong? mj's death caught all of us off guard, but to be honest the only people i've talked to who seems suprised that drugs were the cause of his death are his online fan community. far as alejandra its already common knowledge that she screwed 2 brothers and had kids with both, she is trifling and so is jermaine, since randy had her 1st i cant blame him for that but he is also trifling for not raising his own kids and sticking his responsibilities on his mother. alejandra is a dysfunctional mess,perfect for reality tv. i know fans are worried about her talking about michael ,who i doubt she spent much time around. mj was gone before she moved in so how much secrets can she know about him?

truthfully, i cannot say... in relation to my experience the fan base, i do concur there is an ideal image many fans want to uphold, and drugs is not a part of that scheme. however, more than a few fans do acknowledge his drug dependencies. this cannot be denied, especially since michael himself was open about it. alas, this is the major issue i have with idolatry- the object of your affections happens to be left out of the collective human experience. michael was a man with many faults; this doesn't mean he was a bad person. but when we acknowledge those faults then we can grasp a better understanding of his humanity.

this is why, even though i do not agree with alejandra's actions, i refuse to label her. she's acting out in an environment which advocates this kind of stuff. it's the culture of excess; a culture michael also lent himself to, just as his blood relativees lent themselves to it.

to answer your question about michael's transition; i think just as the fact that the children were abused was a major secret to most when they were coming up; as well as the many secrets kept when they became adults, they could also make this issue private. i think the hunger to bee seen in some way drives these events (and news stories) to occur.

if alejandra is truly a mess; for the sake of her children she should seek help. the fathers of those children should assist in that help, if they are serious about being parents. it appears as if no one is thinking about the children. this is my main concern.

i have no idea what she would say about michael and personally, i do not care. what damage could she do, moreso than others have done when he was physically here...? again, the health of all the children is what is most important.

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Reply #49 posted 02/21/11 2:55am

manthevan

lowkey said:

MJJstudent said:

the thing is, all this money NOT going to michael's children (and to katherine) could be used towards a good p.r. firm. they are allowing TMZ and them to put their business out there in the open because to this family, all news is good news, it seems.

to me, the ONLY people who should recieve ANY money from the 'estate' are michael's three children. if any money goes to katherine it should be for the sole purpose of caring for the kids. she is hooking up with howard man, and has made faulty quick-money deals over the years (like the moonies fiasco). NO ONE, and i repeat, NO ONE should recieve any of michael's money, except for PARIS, PRINCE AND BLANKET.

all of this is a disgrace to his legacy. you notice how when katherine was working to divorce joe twice, it didn't get this much coverage. people knew, but it was an open industry secret. the same with the gina sprague issue. the same with jo'vonnie. they worked to keep a lid on that stuff as much as they could, even if it was a poor job.

the whole thing with janet and giving up her baby, all the stuff with michael (whether or not he was the one to begin the rumors)... they had a lockdown on which information got out. and now all of this.

evil, evil, evil...

if michael named his mom as an heir in his will who da hell are you to say what she shouldnt get? you mj stans need to make up your minds, one minute you happy that mj left his siblings and father out of his business, now you want them to put a stop to the stories about the money and the catalog,ect. so janet shouldnt work because michael died? i read her book and she is in no way using his death to promote nothing, if you think she can do press and not get asked about her superstar brother who died then you are a moron. if fans spent more time celebrating his music and his good deeds instead of trying to raise his kids,and spend his moneyhis legacy will be fine.

Word! I agree with lowkey on this!

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Reply #50 posted 02/21/11 3:13am

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lowkey said:

if michael named his mom as an heir in his will who da hell are you to say what she shouldnt get? you mj stans need to make up your minds, one minute you happy that mj left his siblings and father out of his business, now you want them to put a stop to the stories about the money and the catalog,ect. so janet shouldnt work because michael died? i read her book and she is in no way using his death to promote nothing, if you think she can do press and not get asked about her superstar brother who died then you are a moron. if fans spent more time celebrating his music and his good deeds instead of trying to raise his kids,and spend his moneyhis legacy will be fine.

Word! I agree with lowkey on this!

read my messages to lowkey. we've been discussing it, it's been nice.

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Reply #51 posted 02/21/11 11:26am

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Randy has four children, Stevanna from his first marriage,
Genevieve, Donte & Randy Jr. are the result of his relationship with Alejandra. The marriage between Randy & Alejandra was NOT legal, as Alejandra was already married to Nicholas Ray at the time she married Randy.

Randy married Alejandra on February 13th 1993.


On March 5th 1995, Alejandra married Jermaine-they had been having an affair since 1991. They went on to have two children, Jaafar & Jermajesty. Again the marriage was not legal as Alejandra was still married to Nicholas Ray.

Mrs Jackson wanted Alejandra to move out of the Jackson compound some time ago, she was offered the family condo to live in, but that wasn't enough, she wanted a substantial amount of cash too.


Alejandra knew exactly what she was doing right from day one. She met Randy when she was 16, she LIED to him and told him she was 18. He moved her into the family home in 1985.
For 26 years, this woman has lived at Hayvenhurst, once she got her feet firmly under that table, she wasn't moving for anyone. Who could blame her, she certainly knew what side her bread was buttered didn't she? Living all those years rent free, no bills to pay-she has had a cushy little life.
Having FIVE children to two different Jackson brothers, she knew only too well that Katherine was never going to make them leave that house while they were all growing up.


Alejandra said that she would write a tell all book unless she got what she wanted. So, Katherine has had some sort of confidential docs. drawn up to ensure that didn't happen, but Alejandra refused to sign them.
A judge ordered that due to the fact that Jermaine owes so much in back payment for child maintenance, the children (Jaafar & Jermajesty) and Alejandra should remain to reside at Hayvenhurst.
Now most of the kids are grown up, Alejandra knew it would only be a matter of time before she had to go her own way and fend for herself. Welcome to the real world!

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Reply #52 posted 02/21/11 6:14pm

kibbles

NaughtyKitty said:

Randy has four children, Stevanna from his first marriage,
Genevieve, Donte & Randy Jr. are the result of his relationship with Alejandra. The marriage between Randy & Alejandra was NOT legal, as Alejandra was already married to Nicholas Ray at the time she married Randy.

Randy married Alejandra on February 13th 1993.


On March 5th 1995, Alejandra married Jermaine-they had been having an affair since 1991. They went on to have two children, Jaafar & Jermajesty. Again the marriage was not legal as Alejandra was still married to Nicholas Ray.

Mrs Jackson wanted Alejandra to move out of the Jackson compound some time ago, she was offered the family condo to live in, but that wasn't enough, she wanted a substantial amount of cash too.


Alejandra knew exactly what she was doing right from day one. She met Randy when she was 16, she LIED to him and told him she was 18. He moved her into the family home in 1985.
For 26 years, this woman has lived at Hayvenhurst, once she got her feet firmly under that table, she wasn't moving for anyone. Who could blame her, she certainly knew what side her bread was buttered didn't she? Living all those years rent free, no bills to pay-she has had a cushy little life.
Having FIVE children to two different Jackson brothers, she knew only too well that Katherine was never going to make them leave that house while they were all growing up.


Alejandra said that she would write a tell all book unless she got what she wanted. So, Katherine has had some sort of confidential docs. drawn up to ensure that didn't happen, but Alejandra refused to sign them.
A judge ordered that due to the fact that Jermaine owes so much in back payment for child maintenance, the children (Jaafar & Jermajesty) and Alejandra should remain to reside at Hayvenhurst.
Now most of the kids are grown up, Alejandra knew it would only be a matter of time before she had to go her own way and fend for herself. Welcome to the real world!

and this is where i wonder whether legally she has a point. all of these years, katherine was her de facto provider, even before the judge (allegedly) enforced a ruling that alejandra and her children were entitled to remain at hayvenhurst.

katherine was getting her money from mj. so even though mj has a will and trust designating only certain people, couldn't alejandra's lawyers argue that katherine cannot disavow her 'obligation' (and it became her obligation the minute she allowed alejandra to stay and not make her sons own up to their responsibility), and that to the extent mj was the one who was ultimately responsible for maintaining all of them in the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed, mj's estate has no right to ask her and the kids to leave the residence, and indeed, has a responsibility to continue to provide for all of them?

it's sort of like men who find out after many years that they're not the fathers of the kids they've been providing for. here in california, a judge will make men continue to provide child support because the damage to the child, psychological and financial, is considered more important than the man's betrayal. couldn't it be argued that mj is the de facto father to all of alejandra's kids? he's the one who was ultimately responsible for the roof over their heads and clothes on their backs. his estate's position that only katherine and mj3 are entitled to any support notwithstanding, i'm curious to know if a judge will look at the other factors at work here. there's a hearing in a few weeks, so it should be interesting!

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Reply #53 posted 02/21/11 8:43pm

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kibbles said:

NaughtyKitty said:

Randy has four children, Stevanna from his first marriage,
Genevieve, Donte & Randy Jr. are the result of his relationship with Alejandra. The marriage between Randy & Alejandra was NOT legal, as Alejandra was already married to Nicholas Ray at the time she married Randy.

Randy married Alejandra on February 13th 1993.


On March 5th 1995, Alejandra married Jermaine-they had been having an affair since 1991. They went on to have two children, Jaafar & Jermajesty. Again the marriage was not legal as Alejandra was still married to Nicholas Ray.

Mrs Jackson wanted Alejandra to move out of the Jackson compound some time ago, she was offered the family condo to live in, but that wasn't enough, she wanted a substantial amount of cash too.


Alejandra knew exactly what she was doing right from day one. She met Randy when she was 16, she LIED to him and told him she was 18. He moved her into the family home in 1985.
For 26 years, this woman has lived at Hayvenhurst, once she got her feet firmly under that table, she wasn't moving for anyone. Who could blame her, she certainly knew what side her bread was buttered didn't she? Living all those years rent free, no bills to pay-she has had a cushy little life.
Having FIVE children to two different Jackson brothers, she knew only too well that Katherine was never going to make them leave that house while they were all growing up.


Alejandra said that she would write a tell all book unless she got what she wanted. So, Katherine has had some sort of confidential docs. drawn up to ensure that didn't happen, but Alejandra refused to sign them.
A judge ordered that due to the fact that Jermaine owes so much in back payment for child maintenance, the children (Jaafar & Jermajesty) and Alejandra should remain to reside at Hayvenhurst.
Now most of the kids are grown up, Alejandra knew it would only be a matter of time before she had to go her own way and fend for herself. Welcome to the real world!

and this is where i wonder whether legally she has a point. all of these years, katherine was her de facto provider, even before the judge (allegedly) enforced a ruling that alejandra and her children were entitled to remain at hayvenhurst.

katherine was getting her money from mj. so even though mj has a will and trust designating only certain people, couldn't alejandra's lawyers argue that katherine cannot disavow her 'obligation' (and it became her obligation the minute she allowed alejandra to stay and not make her sons own up to their responsibility), and that to the extent mj was the one who was ultimately responsible for maintaining all of them in the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed, mj's estate has no right to ask her and the kids to leave the residence, and indeed, has a responsibility to continue to provide for all of them?

it's sort of like men who find out after many years that they're not the fathers of the kids they've been providing for. here in california, a judge will make men continue to provide child support because the damage to the child, psychological and financial, is considered more important than the man's betrayal. couldn't it be argued that mj is the de facto father to all of alejandra's kids? he's the one who was ultimately responsible for the roof over their heads and clothes on their backs. his estate's position that only katherine and mj3 are entitled to any support notwithstanding, i'm curious to know if a judge will look at the other factors at work here. there's a hearing in a few weeks, so it should be interesting!

Hmmm, that's a very interesting point you make! hmmm

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Reply #54 posted 02/21/11 8:49pm

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musicjunky318 said:

THIS always disgusts me. Randy and J-Fab's children are brothers/cousins. I wonder how the kids will feel about that when they're older

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Reply #55 posted 02/21/11 9:09pm

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ViintageJunkiie said:

musicjunky318 said:

THIS always disgusts me. Randy and J-Fab's children are brothers/cousins. I wonder how the kids will feel about that when they're older

The woman a total ho, but then again...so are the brothers disbelief

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Reply #56 posted 02/21/11 9:31pm

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SherryJackson said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

THIS always disgusts me. Randy and J-Fab's children are brothers/cousins. I wonder how the kids will feel about that when they're older

The woman a total ho, but then again...so are the brothers disbelief

Thats just what she is...I mean, it's cool for brothers to smash the same female (lol), but dont be stupid and get her pregnant...

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Reply #57 posted 02/21/11 9:38pm

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NaughtyKitty said:

Randy has four children, Stevanna from his first marriage,
Genevieve, Donte & Randy Jr. are the result of his relationship with Alejandra.
The marriage between Randy & Alejandra was NOT legal, as Alejandra was already married to Nicholas Ray at the time she married Randy.

Randy married Alejandra on February 13th 1993.


On March 5th 1995, Alejandra married Jermaine-they had been having an affair since 1991. They went on to have two children, Jaafar & Jermajesty. Again the marriage was not legal as Alejandra was still married to Nicholas Ray.

Mrs Jackson wanted Alejandra to move out of the Jackson compound some time ago, she was offered the family condo to live in, but that wasn't enough, she wanted a substantial amount of cash too.


Alejandra knew exactly what she was doing right from day one. She met Randy when she was 16, she LIED to him and told him she was 18. He moved her into the family home in 1985.
For 26 years, this woman has lived at Hayvenhurst, once she got her feet firmly under that table, she wasn't moving for anyone. Who could blame her, she certainly knew what side her bread was buttered didn't she? Living all those years rent free, no bills to pay-she has had a cushy little life.
Having FIVE children to two different Jackson brothers, she knew only too well that Katherine was never going to make them leave that house while they were all growing up.


Alejandra said that she would write a tell all book unless she got what she wanted. So, Katherine has had some sort of confidential docs. drawn up to ensure that didn't happen, but Alejandra refused to sign them.
A judge ordered that due to the fact that Jermaine owes so much in back payment for child maintenance, the children (Jaafar & Jermajesty) and Alejandra should remain to reside at Hayvenhurst.
Now most of the kids are grown up, Alejandra knew it would only be a matter of time before she had to go her own way and fend for herself. Welcome to the real world!

No wonder dude never did a follow up album after Randy & The Gypsys debut.

His life was busy and full of drama. lol

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Reply #58 posted 02/21/11 10:08pm

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ViintageJunkiie said:

musicjunky318 said:

THIS always disgusts me. Randy and J-Fab's children are brothers/cousins. I wonder how the kids will feel about that when they're older

she loses cool points for letting Jermaine Jackson smash, but for letting BOTH Jermaine AND Randy "I wear my clothes 3 times smaller my size with bangles while smizing on these hoes" Jackson BUST INSIDE her raw?

She fails all aound lol

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Reply #59 posted 02/22/11 1:34am

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i don't know her, but i hate her mad .

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