ViintageJunkiie said:

I've always said that Destiny, OTW and Triumphs were continuations of one another...but, if you can make your own track list using ONLY THESE 3 ALBUMS, what would your list be?

NOTE: You can ONLY use 15 tracks (13 album tracks plus 2 bonus tracks)

Destined to Triumph

Side A

1. Don't Stop Til You Get Enough

2. Things I do for you

3. Workin' Day and Night

4. Shake Your Body Down

Side B

5. Rock With You

6. That's What You Get For Being Polite
7. This Place Hotel

8. Lovely One

Side C

9. Can You Feel It

10. Off The Wall

11. Your Ways

12. Get On The Floor

Side D.

13. Destiny

14. I Can't Help It

15. Time Waits for No-One

Swa said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

I've always said that Destiny, OTW and Triumphs were continuations of one another...but, if you can make your own track list using ONLY THESE 3 ALBUMS, what would your list be?

NOTE: You can ONLY use 15 tracks (13 album tracks plus 2 bonus tracks)

Destined to Triumph

Side A

1. Don't Stop Til You Get Enough

2. Things I do for you

3. Workin' Day and Night

4. Shake Your Body Down

Side B

5. Rock With You

6. That's What You Get For Being Polite
7. This Place Hotel

8. Lovely One

Side C

9. Can You Feel It

10. Off The Wall

11. Your Ways

12. Get On The Floor

Side D.

13. Destiny

14. I Can't Help It

15. Time Waits for No-One

I LOVE this!

Unholyalliance said:

MJJstudent said:

this is one of the few moments i call michael out.

i feel there is a point where, even though someone loves michael, they can't call him out on things, or else they will get grief. he is a man, not god. he's taken mis-steps, and i feel this is one of them. i also call him out for 'dirty diana'. that was also disturbing. the woman has no head, she's just a body, for crying out loud. in reading interviews with him i recognize where he is coming from, but still. i think tatiana was objectified, as well as the woman who plays 'diana'.

[Edited 2/14/11 13:22pm]

I have to, respectfully, disagree with you.

First I want to say that I am sorry for your traumatizing experience. It's a scary thing and that should not have to happen to anyone.

At the same time, I do not agree with your sentiments. There are no right or wrong decisions one makes in artistic expression, for they are simply expressing themselves as they see fit. There's no 'appropiate' way to do something like that. There is no way Michael Jackson could have had the foresight to know of your own situation and your feelings or anyone else's. He is only aware of what is familiar in his own world and his own feelings. He should not have to bear responsibility for anyone else due to his own PERSONAL artistic decisions that is unless his decisions are causing physical harm or is violating someone's rights.

It is ok to not agree with a piece of art or someone's artistic decisions though. I don't necessarily agree with Michael's misyogynistic themes in Billie Jean, Dirty Diana, The Way You Make Me Feel, Dangerous, and etc. I also don't agree with the fact that he talked about healing the world and how children were the light of God as if they are some pure innocent creatures totally avoiding the fact that children, themselves, are quite manipulative. Do I feel that he was wrong for creating such art though? No. No I don't. He was an artist. He had every right to express himself the way he saw fit.

Which is what I have repeated here quite often. It's important to learn to seperate your own feelings and realize that they don't reflect anything on the artist. Just yourself. Again, I can understand why you may not like said works, but that doesn't mean that he was wrong for making it. That goes for him and any other artist out there.

hmmmm... i'm not saying he is right or wrong... as i said, whatever he does is between him and GOD. i was just stating how I feel about the situation. what i say may not necessarily matter to him, i realize that. all i can do is state how i would have like to see things go down. that's all i got. unfortunately, we are here in a forum, where we can't exactly explain everything how we want to. people already tell me i write too much. i could always write more on the subject, but who knows if people would read it? i write and have discussions on these things all the time though.

i just wished we lived in a world where we would not have to play out relationships in the way it was shown in the video. this whole thing is beyond michael. we are essentially saying the same thing though, we just have different ways of saying it.

i do get what michael was saying in the songs you named though- he didn't exactly have positive male or female role models in his developing years... this led to his notion of how women were, according to interviews with him. i get it.

SherryJackson said:

MJJstudent said:

i respect your views very much. as i said to tim though, i'm just not into the aggressive mating ritual. i don't think it was necessary. i felt very uncomfortable watching the video. if he would never approach a woman aggressively (and who knows? he may have at some point in his life) i don't see the point of him doing it in a video, just to prove a point.

i mean, who cares if people think he's gay, asexual or whatever. he knows who he is, and that is what matters. again, who he is is between him and GOD, and it's not up to us to judge. it's ridiculous to me that men (and some women) have to act all aggressive that way. whatever happened to courting? being friends first?

michael used to look at women all the time. i don't see anything wrong with that, admiring the women. but to me, there is a fine line with doing that, and 'chasing' somebody, until they surrender. this becomes a power issue.

the men actually created a wall around tatiana and initially would not let her pass. and THEN michael chased her. i think the 'chase' is unappealing. to me, a 'real man' does not do that. if someone is going to do that in order to get me, then they don't want me. i've had people do that to me before, and it made me not want to even speak to them anymore.

i didn't find anything pleasurable about watching the video. it made me feel horrible. i don't like games like that. i don't see the point in it. that 'playing hard to get' thing is indecisive. if you like somebody, let them know. it's good to be clear on those things, in case someone's feelings cannot be reciprocated. it's not cute, these games. it would have been more appealing if he just saw her come home from work every day, then asked to hang out with her; maybe get her some flowers. be her friend first. the aggressive male thing; the 'chase' is not cool.

i mean like, why couldn't michael climb a tree with her? why couldn't they already be friends and then they're riding bicycles and he wants to tell her he likes her?

again, i usually have different ideas about stuff. i have no problems with michael (or anyone else) being sexual. i just think that stuff should be private, and if people ARE public, they should be nice to each other, not so aggressive like in that video (and many videos). and i wanted to put some clothes on tatiana. what can i say? i'm old-fashioned.

Well you've definitely given me something to think about. I respect your views too, as always.

Personally, I don't think Michael EVER approached a woman as aggressively as he did in that video. Man was so shy that he could never get enough nerve to ask a woman for date personally. Always one of his people set those up for him. He had no trouble talking to people or children (especially children). I think Michael enjoyed playing characters that were the opposite of himself. He said it himself, when he's performing, he can be anyone he wants. He's completely free onstage. I think that's what makes him a great performer/actor.

As far as Dirty Diana is concerned, I never really gave much thought that he was objectifying Diana. The whole song in itself is pretty much how he wants to be left alone from this woman. Diana in the song is a woman who objectifies herself, letting musicians use her sexually in the hopes she can be famous someday. Lots of groupies do that. I think the reason he never gave her a face was because he left that part up to the imagination of the viewer. But again, I respect your opinion on the matter and I think it's valid nonetheless.

I know Michael didn't need to show the world who or what he was. And he'd say that. But secretly, he wishes the world really knew that he was normal, just like everyone else. He loves, he lusts, he cries, he laughs, etc. And I do agree that sexuality is a private thing. Michael was the same way. He never disclosed names of women he's been affiliated with. He chose to keep that side private. And because of that, people misjudged him and started calling him gay or asexual (which I'm sure ain't true at all). Michael was very respectful of Tatiana, and that girl was madly in love with him. Still is. After she was fired for forcing him into a kiss during one performance, she never married. In fact recently, she released a book that she claims is the "secret romance" she and Michael shared. I have no problems with that ( I actually like the woman)..but that book reads like a romance novel. I just don't think a lot of what's said in it is true at all. But hey, can't blame the girl...

i've never read her book... is it a good one? i'll try looking for it. i would never want to be in his position, with people throwing themselves at him like that; and of course, objectifying him. i mean, 'the gold pants appreciation society'? and the comments on how people want to RAPE him... i mean, REALLY?

the question is, what is normal? i wish he could have asked HIMSELF that, so that he could have said that to the public. that he, like many, thought that normal was having sexual attraction and desires, that he liked women, that he did all this 'normal' stuff... what makes that more normal than people who are NOT into that stuff? he seemed so self-conscious that he could not even grasp that normal is relative...

i mean, the man looked at women all the time. but who cares? why is that such a big deal for him to do? why should this be news? why has it come to the point where, if someone DOESN'T talk about sex all the time, they are gay or asexual? i get this all the time as well. i don't speak about my relationships or things of that nature either, and i hear the comments. but it's no one's business. i've heard the 'she's gay' thing since i was a child- A CHILD!!! at an age where we are supposed to be playing, people were concerned i didn't like boys or whatever. come ON!!!

i think that is one of the biggest things i appreciate about michael, out of many... he's a private person when it comes to that stuff. he may look and appreciate the female form, but when it comes to intimacy, he is very private. i wish more men were like that. i'm the kind of person who doesn't even like holding hands in public, because that gives away too much.

about dirty diana, yeah... it's really sad that he had to even sing a song like that. why not sing the song about the person you're committed to, and how you love her. say, this 'diana' character is rying to get at him, and he says, 'no... i have someone who loves me, thank you very much... i see the song as being a moral tale, but my ideal would be if it were even MORE moral; about not objectifying yourself like that. i wouldn't mind a little preaching from the michael. i'm sure many would dis-agree, but i actually like when he does some preaching.

i know he was respectful of tatiana indeed... which may be why she fell in love with him. he treated her like a gentleman, offstage. she's a beautiful woman. perhaps michael's heart stayed with diana ross though. and unrequited love is one of the hardest things to get over. the 'secret romance' thing i don't necessarily believe, as michael was a huge proponent of no sex before marriage. so, if there was indeed a romance, i highly doubt there was a lot of intercourse going on... just other forms of physical intimacy, like hugging and such.

i don't agree with her being fired, but yeah, he did look uncomfortable after she kissed him during that show. i mean, I would be uncomfortable!!! that's a very vulnerable space to be in.

i can't say i find michael to be sexy at all... i think he's a very good-looking fellow... and his beauty outshines whatever he looked like physically. he was phenomenally, undoubtedly astoundingly beautiful in the late 1970s though. after that i still found him to be beautiful, even up until his transition. he had the most beautiful eyes i have ever seen. so incredibly sad. and i love his hands, especially as he got older. they were rough, callused and had spots. his hands have lived lifetimes. he had some beautiful hands. but no, i don't find him sexy at all, really.

i see people posting pictures all over the place and saying, isn't he gorgeous? isn't he sexy? isn't he cute? and frankly, what i see is sadness coming from him- except for when he is with children, of course...

he's just my life's teacher. he's taught me so much, and for that i owe him a lot.

babybugz said:

I think everything surrounding the Bad Era was Michael trying to be a tough guy (duh the title name is bad ) It was a rebellious era imo he was shedding the little Michaelness from past releases but hey maybe looking too much into it he did change from Bad onwards.

hmmm... i don't see that. i see him more as trying to find his voice. but here is when he began to speak more political messages. this is the michael i love and appreciate the most, more than his romantic love songs. i think his 'toughness' was kind of playful, save 'the way you make me feel' and 'dirty diana'. and 'black or white' part 2.

Swa said:

The tougher street image has been credited to Frank Dileo who wanted Michael to have a rougher, harder image. Obviously Michael embraced it, but let's not forget Michael wanted this to be the front cover of BAD.

Personally I always loved this shot - but it doesn't exude the tough image that BAD would come to represent.

i REEEEEEALY wished this was the cover!!! when i first saw this, i marveled in its beauty, the sad eyes... i don't particularly like the cover which came out. i don't HATE it, but i like this one much better. i actually don't think he exuded a tough image at all... i think that showed up years later, in, say, the 'you rock my world' video. 'bad' to me is like a sheltered kid finding his voice. this is one of the reasons i like the album as much as i do.

[Edited 2/15/11 0:48am]

MJJstudent said:

babybugz said:

I think everything surrounding the Bad Era was Michael trying to be a tough guy (duh the title name is bad ) It was a rebellious era imo he was shedding the little Michaelness from past releases but hey maybe looking too much into it he did change from Bad onwards.

hmmm... i don't see that. i see him more as trying to find his voice. but here is when he began to speak more political messages. this is the michael i love and appreciate the most, more than his romantic love songs. i think his 'toughness' was kind of playful, save 'the way you make me feel' and 'dirty diana'. and 'black or white' part 2.

I tend to think Michael really found his voice on Off The Wall. Everything leading up to it was building to that moment - drawing on his influences. With Off The Wall a new sense of confidence was coming through, it was more Michael going for what he wanted.

ViintageJunkiie said:

Swa said:

Destined to Triumph

Side A

1. Don't Stop Til You Get Enough

2. Things I do for you

3. Workin' Day and Night

4. Shake Your Body Down

Side B

5. Rock With You

6. That's What You Get For Being Polite
7. This Place Hotel

8. Lovely One

Side C

9. Can You Feel It

10. Off The Wall

11. Your Ways

12. Get On The Floor

Side D.

13. Destiny

14. I Can't Help It

15. Time Waits for No-One

I LOVE this!

You know me - I love discussing the music and these kind of challenges.

MJJstudent said:

SherryJackson said:

Well you've definitely given me something to think about. I respect your views too, as always.

Personally, I don't think Michael EVER approached a woman as aggressively as he did in that video. Man was so shy that he could never get enough nerve to ask a woman for date personally. Always one of his people set those up for him. He had no trouble talking to people or children (especially children). I think Michael enjoyed playing characters that were the opposite of himself. He said it himself, when he's performing, he can be anyone he wants. He's completely free onstage. I think that's what makes him a great performer/actor.

As far as Dirty Diana is concerned, I never really gave much thought that he was objectifying Diana. The whole song in itself is pretty much how he wants to be left alone from this woman. Diana in the song is a woman who objectifies herself, letting musicians use her sexually in the hopes she can be famous someday. Lots of groupies do that. I think the reason he never gave her a face was because he left that part up to the imagination of the viewer. But again, I respect your opinion on the matter and I think it's valid nonetheless.

I know Michael didn't need to show the world who or what he was. And he'd say that. But secretly, he wishes the world really knew that he was normal, just like everyone else. He loves, he lusts, he cries, he laughs, etc. And I do agree that sexuality is a private thing. Michael was the same way. He never disclosed names of women he's been affiliated with. He chose to keep that side private. And because of that, people misjudged him and started calling him gay or asexual (which I'm sure ain't true at all). Michael was very respectful of Tatiana, and that girl was madly in love with him. Still is. After she was fired for forcing him into a kiss during one performance, she never married. In fact recently, she released a book that she claims is the "secret romance" she and Michael shared. I have no problems with that ( I actually like the woman)..but that book reads like a romance novel. I just don't think a lot of what's said in it is true at all. But hey, can't blame the girl...

i've never read her book... is it a good one? i'll try looking for it. i would never want to be in his position, with people throwing themselves at him like that; and of course, objectifying him. i mean, 'the gold pants appreciation society'? and the comments on how people want to RAPE him... i mean, REALLY?

the question is, what is normal? i wish he could have asked HIMSELF that, so that he could have said that to the public. that he, like many, thought that normal was having sexual attraction and desires, that he liked women, that he did all this 'normal' stuff... what makes that more normal than people who are NOT into that stuff? he seemed so self-conscious that he could not even grasp that normal is relative...

i mean, the man looked at women all the time. but who cares? why is that such a big deal for him to do? why should this be news? why has it come to the point where, if someone DOESN'T talk about sex all the time, they are gay or asexual? i get this all the time as well. i don't speak about my relationships or things of that nature either, and i hear the comments. but it's no one's business. i've heard the 'she's gay' thing since i was a child- A CHILD!!! at an age where we are supposed to be playing, people were concerned i didn't like boys or whatever. come ON!!!

i think that is one of the biggest things i appreciate about michael, out of many... he's a private person when it comes to that stuff. he may look and appreciate the female form, but when it comes to intimacy, he is very private. i wish more men were like that. i'm the kind of person who doesn't even like holding hands in public, because that gives away too much.

about dirty diana, yeah... it's really sad that he had to even sing a song like that. why not sing the song about the person you're committed to, and how you love her. say, this 'diana' character is rying to get at him, and he says, 'no... i have someone who loves me, thank you very much... i see the song as being a moral tale, but my ideal would be if it were even MORE moral; about not objectifying yourself like that. i wouldn't mind a little preaching from the michael. i'm sure many would dis-agree, but i actually like when he does some preaching.

i know he was respectful of tatiana indeed... which may be why she fell in love with him. he treated her like a gentleman, offstage. she's a beautiful woman. perhaps michael's heart stayed with diana ross though. and unrequited love is one of the hardest things to get over. the 'secret romance' thing i don't necessarily believe, as michael was a huge proponent of no sex before marriage. so, if there was indeed a romance, i highly doubt there was a lot of intercourse going on... just other forms of physical intimacy, like hugging and such.

i don't agree with her being fired, but yeah, he did look uncomfortable after she kissed him during that show. i mean, I would be uncomfortable!!! that's a very vulnerable space to be in.

i can't say i find michael to be sexy at all... i think he's a very good-looking fellow... and his beauty outshines whatever he looked like physically. he was phenomenally, undoubtedly astoundingly beautiful in the late 1970s though. after that i still found him to be beautiful, even up until his transition. he had the most beautiful eyes i have ever seen. so incredibly sad. and i love his hands, especially as he got older. they were rough, callused and had spots. his hands have lived lifetimes. he had some beautiful hands. but no, i don't find him sexy at all, really.

i see people posting pictures all over the place and saying, isn't he gorgeous? isn't he sexy? isn't he cute? and frankly, what i see is sadness coming from him- except for when he is with children, of course...

he's just my life's teacher. he's taught me so much, and for that i owe him a lot.

Yeah, I'ma have to agree with you there. Some of the fangirls can get rather...uh...wild...about that. There used to be a time when I'd post a lot of Michael pics on my profile, but the comments got so disgusting I had to take the majority of them down. I mean, I have kids on my facebook too that are MJ fans...and I can't have them seeing that. Look it's ok to have your fantasies and what not, but be careful where you say them, fo'reals! I'm not a prude, I just expected a little better than that. Nothing wrong with showing admiration though.

And girl, I've been grappling with the definition of "normal" since the very beginning! Like democracy, it has no definition really. The closest I've ever gotten to "normal" was standing next to my dishwashing machine on "normal wash". But jokes aside, yes Michael was very self-conscious about how people percieved him. Me, I always saw him as a regular guy. I mean, when he's not performing or nothin', I'd expect him to be at home relaxing, watching a movie, or out with his friend, sittin' on the curb, watch the pretty girls go by (this was my opinion formulated when I was 11 ). I know Michael loved watching women, observing their mannerisms, noting distinct features about them, even as a kid. That's a rare thing in a guy...I'm glad he was like that. He appreciated women in their entirety...not merely as objects.

Man, you too? Something people don't know about me is..I was raised in a very strict, Arab home. My mother and father were and still are wonderful parents, but sexuality or boy-talk wasn't something you talked about openly or candidly. It was a private affair. And I'm much the same way now. When I was younger, I acted the way my parents raised me and a lot of kids thought I wasn't normal because they thought I didn't like boys like the other girls did. Which isn't true..I did. I just didn't talk about it. Besides, at that age, who can you talk with really? No one thought i was gay, they just thought I was strange because I was more into books and music than chasing boys or going on dates. But eh, whatever....

And I loooove it when our man Mike start preachin'. So inspiring to hear him talk. And what's great about him is..he practices what he preaches. He backs up what he preaches with actions. His numerous charity works are testament to that.

As far as sexy goes, if by that you mean i find Michael to be sexually attractive....then the answer is yes. But it goes beyond that. I find him to be a caring, gentle, and loving soul...and that greatly eclipses the latter. I admire him for that, and I try to emulate his example. The fact he was also physically beautiful doesn't matter much without these qualities. And yes, I love his eyes and hands too. Musician's hands...I've always wanted to draw them...but never got around to it. One day I will though...I wanted to do drawings of him when he was still around...but when he passed away i never got the strength back to draw him. One day, it'll come though.

He's my teacher as well, and I'm still learning from him. You really should check some of my facebook notes.

[Edited 2/15/11 1:15am]

ViintageJunkiie said:

Swa said:

Destined to Triumph

Side A

1. Don't Stop Til You Get Enough

2. Things I do for you

3. Workin' Day and Night

4. Shake Your Body Down

Side B

5. Rock With You

6. That's What You Get For Being Polite
7. This Place Hotel

8. Lovely One

Side C

9. Can You Feel It

10. Off The Wall

11. Your Ways

12. Get On The Floor

Side D.

13. Destiny

14. I Can't Help It

15. Time Waits for No-One

I LOVE this!

Swa.... Well done....

SherryJackson said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

I LOVE this!

Swa.... Well done....

Thanks Sherry - load it up on your ipod - the sequence of tracks was the hardest to make it all feel like one epic flow of an album.

But I'm sure Vintage would love to hear from others also.

[Edited 2/15/11 2:11am]

here's my choice: i am more partial to the ballads and the album cuts.

SIDE ONE:

1. can you feel it

2. rock with you

3. things i do for you

4. walk right now

SIDE TWO:

1. get on the floor

2. your ways

3. push me away

4. time waits for no one

5. that's what you get (for being polite)

SIDE THREE:

1. heartbreak hotel

2. she's out of my life

3. i can't help it

4. everybody

SIDE FOUR:

1. bless his soul

2. shake your body (down to the ground)

[Edited 2/15/11 2:17am]

ViintageJunkiie said:

I've always said that Destiny, OTW and Triumphs were continuations of one another...but, if you can make your own track list using ONLY THESE 3 ALBUMS, what would your list be?

NOTE: You can ONLY use 15 tracks (13 album tracks plus 2 bonus tracks)

i did place my list somewhere here...

Swa said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

I've always said that Destiny, OTW and Triumphs were continuations of one another...but, if you can make your own track list using ONLY THESE 3 ALBUMS, what would your list be?

NOTE: You can ONLY use 15 tracks (13 album tracks plus 2 bonus tracks)

Destined to Triumph

Side A

1. Don't Stop Til You Get Enough

2. Things I do for you

3. Workin' Day and Night

4. Shake Your Body Down

Side B

5. Rock With You

6. That's What You Get For Being Polite
7. This Place Hotel

8. Lovely One

Side C

9. Can You Feel It

10. Off The Wall

11. Your Ways

12. Get On The Floor

Side D.

13. Destiny

14. I Can't Help It

15. Time Waits for No-One

i saw your list, and we got 10 out of the 15 of the same tracks.

MJJstudent said:

here's my choice: i am more partial to the ballads and the album cuts.

SIDE ONE:

1. can you feel it

2. rock with you

3. things i do for you

4. walk right now

SIDE TWO:

1. get on the floor

2. your ways

3. push me away

4. time waits for no one

5. that's what you get (for being polite)

SIDE THREE:

1. heartbreak hotel

2. she's out of my life

3. i can't help it

4. everybody

SIDE FOUR:

1. bless his soul

2. shake your body (down to the ground)

[Edited 2/15/11 2:17am]

Nice selects. Giving up some of the tracks was hard, others like She's Out Of My Life was easy for me - I much prefer the acoustic demo to what ended up on the album - but that's just me.

Good choices.

Swa said:

MJJstudent said:

here's my choice: i am more partial to the ballads and the album cuts.

SIDE ONE:

1. can you feel it

2. rock with you

3. things i do for you

4. walk right now

SIDE TWO:

1. get on the floor

2. your ways

3. push me away

4. time waits for no one

5. that's what you get (for being polite)

SIDE THREE:

1. heartbreak hotel

2. she's out of my life

3. i can't help it

4. everybody

SIDE FOUR:

1. bless his soul

2. shake your body (down to the ground)

[Edited 2/15/11 2:17am]

Nice selects. Giving up some of the tracks was hard, others like She's Out Of My Life was easy for me - I much prefer the acoustic demo to what ended up on the album - but that's just me.

Good choices.

hee hee... i prefer the album version to 'she's out of my life'. i like the dramatic buildup. which demo are you speaking of though, because he recorded that song a lot. the demos i heard of it sound a bit rushed to me, since he was just rehearsing it. i've heard varying stages of the song.

i love it when there is an orchestra in pop music, so... for me, i'm not all that into 'don't stop till you get enough' or 'workin' day and night'. i like those songs but if i had a choice i'd leave them out of a compilation. i prefer michael's ballads. if he did a full album of ballads i'd be perfectly happy. i wouldn't mind hearing stuff like 'earth song' or 'smile' on a full album.

'i can't help it' is actually my favourite michael song (perhps i am biased becaise STEVIE co-wrote it). i wanted to keep 'destiny', but 15 songs, right? i love 'bless his soul' too much NOT to keep it.

SherryJackson said:

nursev said:

I would love to see a current pic of her I always liked her-she looked nice with Michael

Tatiana Yvonne as of January 2010.

I heart her I'm looking forward to her new book that's coming out in March.

Is there a picture of Prince AND Michael Jackson TOGETHER?!? Is there one?

I think Michael "found his voice" on Push Me Away. Actually, that track might display the best of his vocals ever recorded.

0Butterflies0 said:

Is there a picture of Prince AND Michael Jackson TOGETHER?!? Is there one?

I dont think so.

Vanilli said:

zhare said:

Vanilli said:

i love this pic

Same here. To all those people who say MJ changed so much from when he was a kid

up till his final years...I love how this picture, and Michael's smile especially proves...

some things never change.

Timmy84 said:

Swa said:

The tougher street image has been credited to Frank Dileo who wanted Michael to have a rougher, harder image. Obviously Michael embraced it, but let's not forget Michael wanted this to be the front cover of BAD.

Personally I always loved this shot - but it doesn't exude the tough image that BAD would come to represent.

The original title of the album was actually Lace but Michael changed it obviously.

Where did you hear that from? I've never heard that

bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

The original title of the album was actually Lace but Michael changed it obviously.

Where did you hear that from? I've never heard that

I read it somewhere, I forgot where... I think it was posted here once. It's been a while.

Oh Lord, they were gonna call it "Pee"???

Bruce Swedien, I just read on Michael's site, said the working title of the title track to "Bad" was "Pee" and they were also thinking of calling it that.

"Pee"... "Lace"... I swore it was Lace or Lingerie or something like that...

For those that don't know, there's someone who's selling a copy of "Hot Fever" which is the original version of The Way You Make Me Feel from 1985

So let's see, what is available from the 1985-1987 Bad sessions

Bad

The Way You Make Me Feel

Speed Demon

Liberian Girl

Just Good Friends

Another Part Of Me

Man In The Mirror

I Just Can't Stop Loving You

Dirty Diana

Smooth Criminal

Leave Me Alone

Streetwalker

Fly Away

Groove Of Midnight (snippet)

Cheater

Come Together

We Are Here To Change The World

songs that we know about but aren't circulating

Buffalo Bill

What You Do To Me

Strawberry Fields Forever

Tomboy

Hot Fever

The Price Of Fame

Crack Kills

Al Capone

Michael McKeller

Don't Be Messin' Around (originally for the Thriller album)

Chicago 1945

Get Around

Someone Put Your Hand Out (earlier version)

Turning Me Off

Some of the songs on "Bad" had been worked on since '84 lol

Timmy84 said:

Some of the songs on "Bad" had been worked on since '84 lol

I know...well, '83 but the initial sessions started in 85 but then postponed for Captain EO then started again in mid '86

bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

Some of the songs on "Bad" had been worked on since '84 lol

I know...well, '83 but the initial sessions started in 85 but then postponed for Captain EO then started again in mid '86

Yeah, a lot of stuff was going on before he could do the album. Of course don't forget that "reunion" lol