MOL said:

mookie said:

at finding out that Stacy Brown is Rebbie's manager. It's sad how MJ's own family will still work with those that made his life a living hell.

[Edited 2/12/11 13:31pm]

Remember when, during the trial, MJ realeased a statement saying Stacy Brown did not speak for him? Remember what did Rebbie the day after?

Stacy Brown has been her manager since the early 2000's, so it should not come as a surprise just like the junkie image should not (we all know Randy has been working/inventing it since Michael legitimately accused him of fraud and that Joe wants a settlement from AEG and the junkie image is the only way).

joe jackson is also being represented by brian oxman, who was fired by thomas mersereau during the 2005 trial. oxman was also on probation, and if he still is, why is he representing any of the jacksons? and didn't leonard rowe get fired by michael in 2009? and thome thome said he was not aware that he was terminated by michael, and until further notice he still represented him. and with jermaine right there, thome spoke as michael's representative in announcing his transition.

i also find dileo and branca returning briefly before his transition is fishy. i happen to be one of the few who is not a fan of ANY parties involved- the jackson family, AEG, sony OR the 'estate'. i think they all used, and continue to use michael for his name or (non-liquid) assets. i don't trust anyone involved in this process.

i don't think joe should get a settlement from AEG (what for?) but AEG executives are responsible for what happened to michael. they were both michael's and murray's employer. they should have kept track of whether or not murray was licensed. this is a patients' rights issue. if there is sufficient evidence that representatives from AEG strong-armed michael into performing those shows (and if he didn't they would cease his catalogs), they need to be held accountable.

randy phillips stated in interviews that michael was not aware of the amount of additional shows he was to perform. this implies that michael did not have control of the situation as they want people to believe.

i don't take sides on this issue at all. a lot of people do this jacksons v. AEG/sony thing. they all aim to make money (or stay in the limelight) because of him, if you ask me. michael writing these notes (and openly stating in conversations) that he would be murdered due to ATV is a big thing, especially when, on the sony/ATV site they straight up say that they are gonna take another 25% if the 'estate' does not hold up on their end of the bargain.

the way sony leaked that posthumous album (at the same time blaming it on someone else), how they created controversy with the fake/not fake questions (and weitzman went along with that)... they are sabatoging the man's legacy.

i get a lot of grief for my views, but i will remain strong on them.

Emancipation89 said:

MJ FANS...I HAVE A QUESTION!!

Sorry to bring this up guys...But I had to ask,

http://www.youtube.com/wa...S0oI5Q8Kfc

I saw this on Youtube, and yes, this was put up by a hater.

But I heard this was true...Well, at least the fact that Geraldo Rivera went on Howard Stern's

radio show and did an interview with him after MJ passed away....

I thought Geraldo Rivera actually did an interview with MJ when he was struggling with the allegations in 2005? And Gerlado really was one of the few people in the media (and probably the only one from FOX) to believe MJ was completely innocent of all those charges, and stand by his side since the beginning of the trial till the end....

What was this about then? Do you think Geraldo was truthful when he said "Michael had a fake nose!" on Howard Stern's show?? I guess one can accept the fact that MJ was NEVER a criminal but still think he had too much plastic surgery done.....

But I'm more than willing to hear your opinions...So MJ fans plz let me know what you think of this interview....Even if this is really what Geraldo said, I'm still very hesitant believe it....

eh, i don't pay attention to people who try to be facetious... if they have nothing better to do than to dedicate their time to hating one person (and making videos about it) that is their issue. i have seen and met just as many people who say they love michael expel the same amount of hate for others they consider 'enemies' of michael, so what really is the difference? hate is hate, no matter who the target is- be it michael, bashir or anyone else.

on to the video- over the years rivera has defended michael, regarding his character. i think rivera was more or less respectful. if i were him i would not have answered the question, but he did, and i don't think he was mean. i think he handled stern and quivers' asinine remarks fairly well.

if indeed michael had a prosthesis and was comfortable enough to be around rivera without it- THAT i doubt, as self-conscious as michael was around people. who knows though, i wasn't there. it could have been, IF he actually had one, that rivera saw it once, and took dramatic license of his experience.

it would have been nice if michael never got all the rhinoplasty procedures (and yes, he got more than two, i'm not sure why people insist on believing the lie that was told in the 'moon walk' book, as well as in the bashir interview). his original african nose was absolutely beautiful. however, i recognize the pain one feels when they are told they are ugly, by the person who was supposed to be a symbol of support. so even though i do think he got too much work done on the nose i'm not mad at michael at all. he's still beautiful to me, because his spirit shows outside of his exterior.

i'm not one of those people who takes sides though- as if there's michael and then there's everybody else. michael's a man and has made mistakes just like any of us. and i've called him out for them. nevertheless, if indeed michael had a prosthesis, that is between him and GOD. i am not in a place to judge.

here's this video i saw... it's really cool, how the prosthetics industry has improved. whether or not michael did have a prosthetic nose, considering he was WAAAAAAAAAAY into medical books and such, i think this may be interesting for him. i like looking at stuff like this, so...

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trueiopian said:

mookie said:

at finding out that Stacy Brown is Rebbie's manager. It's sad how MJ's own family will still work with those that made his life a living hell.

[Edited 2/12/11 13:31pm]

That's so messed up. Jermaine was supposed to release a tell-all book with him too but scraped the whole thing.

I never believed that Jermaine was going to release a tell-all book with that skillet-faced Stacy Brown. In fact, Jermaine openly told him to stop telling those lies and that he would kick his ass if he didn't. You see that Skillet-Face Brown stopped saying that Jermaine was going to release a tell-all book with him. The fact that Rebbie is still associated with that bastard Brown just goes to tell you how this family is ONLY about making money, even at the cost of throwing Michael under the bus. Fuck them.

Free2BMe said:

trueiopian said:

That's so messed up. Jermaine was supposed to release a tell-all book with him too but scraped the whole thing.

I never believed that Jermaine was going to release a tell-all book with that skillet-faced Stacy Brown. In fact, Jermaine openly told him to stop telling those lies and that he would kick his ass if he didn't. You see that Skillet-Face Brown stopped saying that Jermaine was going to release a tell-all book with him. The fact that Rebbie is still associated with that bastard Brown just goes to tell you how this family is ONLY about making money, even at the cost of throwing Michael under the bus. Fuck them.

I've never really liked Rebbie, because I've always found her a bit self-rightous. Now that I'm hearing her manager is the brain dead Stacy Brown, I have a good reason to dislike her. It also makes sense why she keeps saying Michael was an addict when talking about him in interviews, now I know who her manager is. A man that leads to Diane Diamond and straight to the criminal ex D.A Tom Sneddon. This is disgusting of Rebbie. I'm not surprised Michael kept a distance from various members of his family, I wouldn't be surprised if one of them was Rebbie.

Free2BMe said:

trueiopian said:

That's so messed up. Jermaine was supposed to release a tell-all book with him too but scraped the whole thing.

I never believed that Jermaine was going to release a tell-all book with that skillet-faced Stacy Brown. In fact, Jermaine openly told him to stop telling those lies and that he would kick his ass if he didn't. You see that Skillet-Face Brown stopped saying that Jermaine was going to release a tell-all book with him. The fact that Rebbie is still associated with that bastard Brown just goes to tell you how this family is ONLY about making money, even at the cost of throwing Michael under the bus. Fuck them.

The investigators concluded MJ was not an addict. A passage of their conclusion documents reads as following: "Michael Jackson, deceased, was not taking the prescribed amounts of medication for various ailments (listed in the Coroner's official autopsy report, let alone abusing them as opposed to what sources, namely Steven, Latoya, Maureen and Joseph Jackson, kept telling us."

In the documents, the investigators also let it be known that NONE of the doctors MJ had was overprescribing him with drugs and that his "drug history" had no evidence of abuse. So how was he an addict? Addicted to what? How? When?

It's clear as water: the Jacksons call MJ an addict so the blame of his death can be shifted to AEG so they can sue it and get a payday.

And I could go on. These Jacksons trully are morally and intelectually inferior. I just love it when they complain they're not respected. Of course they're not respected!

Emancipation89 said:

MJ FANS...I HAVE A QUESTION!!

Sorry to bring this up guys...But I had to ask,

http://www.youtube.com/wa...S0oI5Q8Kfc

I saw this on Youtube, and yes, this was put up by a hater.

But I heard this was true...Well, at least the fact that Geraldo Rivera went on Howard Stern's

radio show and did an interview with him after MJ passed away....

I thought Geraldo Rivera actually did an interview with MJ when he was struggling with the allegations in 2005? And Gerlado really was one of the few people in the media (and probably the only one from FOX) to believe MJ was completely innocent of all those charges, and stand by his side since the beginning of the trial till the end....

What was this about then? Do you think Geraldo was truthful when he said "Michael had a fake nose!" on Howard Stern's show?? I guess one can accept the fact that MJ was NEVER a criminal but still think he had too much plastic surgery done.....

But I'm more than willing to hear your opinions...So MJ fans plz let me know what you think of this interview....Even if this is really what Geraldo said, I'm still very hesitant believe it....

Rebbie is NOT in that picture. The woman next to DD is obviously a white woman. Btw Stacy is also the name of Rebbie eldest daughter, how do you know the name Stacy Brown does not refer to her daughter

whatsgoingon said:

Emancipation89 said:

MJ FANS...I HAVE A QUESTION!!

Sorry to bring this up guys...But I had to ask,

http://www.youtube.com/wa...S0oI5Q8Kfc

I saw this on Youtube, and yes, this was put up by a hater.

But I heard this was true...Well, at least the fact that Geraldo Rivera went on Howard Stern's

radio show and did an interview with him after MJ passed away....

I thought Geraldo Rivera actually did an interview with MJ when he was struggling with the allegations in 2005? And Gerlado really was one of the few people in the media (and probably the only one from FOX) to believe MJ was completely innocent of all those charges, and stand by his side since the beginning of the trial till the end....

What was this about then? Do you think Geraldo was truthful when he said "Michael had a fake nose!" on Howard Stern's show?? I guess one can accept the fact that MJ was NEVER a criminal but still think he had too much plastic surgery done.....

But I'm more than willing to hear your opinions...So MJ fans plz let me know what you think of this interview....Even if this is really what Geraldo said, I'm still very hesitant believe it....

Rebbie is NOT in that picture. The woman next to DD is obviously a white woman. Btw Stacy is also the name of Rebbie eldest daughter, how do you know the name Stacy Brown does not refer to her daughter

Perhaps because Rebbie, in early 2010 or late 2009, gave a concert and Stacy Brown (the guy in the picture) appeared on stage hailed, by Rebbie, as her manager.

MJJstudent said:

Emancipation89 said:

MJ FANS...I HAVE A QUESTION!!

Sorry to bring this up guys...But I had to ask,

http://www.youtube.com/wa...S0oI5Q8Kfc

I saw this on Youtube, and yes, this was put up by a hater.

But I heard this was true...Well, at least the fact that Geraldo Rivera went on Howard Stern's

radio show and did an interview with him after MJ passed away....

I thought Geraldo Rivera actually did an interview with MJ when he was struggling with the allegations in 2005? And Gerlado really was one of the few people in the media (and probably the only one from FOX) to believe MJ was completely innocent of all those charges, and stand by his side since the beginning of the trial till the end....

What was this about then? Do you think Geraldo was truthful when he said "Michael had a fake nose!" on Howard Stern's show?? I guess one can accept the fact that MJ was NEVER a criminal but still think he had too much plastic surgery done.....

But I'm more than willing to hear your opinions...So MJ fans plz let me know what you think of this interview....Even if this is really what Geraldo said, I'm still very hesitant believe it....

eh, i don't pay attention to people who try to be facetious... if they have nothing better to do than to dedicate their time to hating one person (and making videos about it) that is their issue. i have seen and met just as many people who say they love michael expel the same amount of hate for others they consider 'enemies' of michael, so what really is the difference? hate is hate, no matter who the target is- be it michael, bashir or anyone else.

on to the video- over the years rivera has defended michael, regarding his character. i think rivera was more or less respectful. if i were him i would not have answered the question, but he did, and i don't think he was mean. i think he handled stern and quivers' asinine remarks fairly well.

if indeed michael had a prosthesis and was comfortable enough to be around rivera without it- THAT i doubt, as self-conscious as michael was around people. who knows though, i wasn't there. it could have been, IF he actually had one, that rivera saw it once, and took dramatic license of his experience.

it would have been nice if michael never got all the rhinoplasty procedures (and yes, he got more than two, i'm not sure why people insist on believing the lie that was told in the 'moon walk' book, as well as in the bashir interview). his original african nose was absolutely beautiful. however, i recognize the pain one feels when they are told they are ugly, by the person who was supposed to be a symbol of support. so even though i do think he got too much work done on the nose i'm not mad at michael at all. he's still beautiful to me, because his spirit shows outside of his exterior.

i'm not one of those people who takes sides though- as if there's michael and then there's everybody else. michael's a man and has made mistakes just like any of us. and i've called him out for them. nevertheless, if indeed michael had a prosthesis, that is between him and GOD. i am not in a place to judge.

here's this video i saw... it's really cool, how the prosthetics industry has improved. whether or not michael did have a prosthetic nose, considering he was WAAAAAAAAAAY into medical books and such, i think this may be interesting for him. i like looking at stuff like this, so...

Thx! That helped a lot...I'm still disappointed by Geraldo....

I'm gone for a little bit and this thread is goin' to hell. We're discussing Michael's plastic surgery now??

Lesson to be learned....media are never to be trusted. Even if they seem sympathetic. Story over.

This is one of the greatest moments ever.

musicjunky318 said:

This is one of the greatest moments ever.

You go Mike.

SherryJackson said:

I'm gone for a little bit and this thread is goin' to hell. We're discussing Michael's plastic surgery now??

Lesson to be learned....media are never to be trusted. Even if they seem sympathetic. Story over.

hey, this is 'discuss everything and anything MJ..." hee hee... i suppose that would include plastic surgery. as i said though, whatever work he's done is between him and GOD.

i posted something earlier, asking people what their favourite compositions/arrangements of michael's are, and no one wanted to answer that. i guess the plastic surgery question is more compelling?

MOL said:

Free2BMe said:

I never believed that Jermaine was going to release a tell-all book with that skillet-faced Stacy Brown. In fact, Jermaine openly told him to stop telling those lies and that he would kick his ass if he didn't. You see that Skillet-Face Brown stopped saying that Jermaine was going to release a tell-all book with him. The fact that Rebbie is still associated with that bastard Brown just goes to tell you how this family is ONLY about making money, even at the cost of throwing Michael under the bus. Fuck them.

The investigators concluded MJ was not an addict. A passage of their conclusion documents reads as following: "Michael Jackson, deceased, was not taking the prescribed amounts of medication for various ailments (listed in the Coroner's official autopsy report, let alone abusing them as opposed to what sources, namely Steven, Latoya, Maureen and Joseph Jackson, kept telling us."

In the documents, the investigators also let it be known that NONE of the doctors MJ had was overprescribing him with drugs and that his "drug history" had no evidence of abuse. So how was he an addict? Addicted to what? How? When?

It's clear as water: the Jacksons call MJ an addict so the blame of his death can be shifted to AEG so they can sue it and get a payday.

And I could go on. These Jacksons trully are morally and intelectually inferior. I just love it when they complain they're not respected. Of course they're not respected!

AGAIN: the only people i believe should be receiving money from michael are his CHILDREN; no one else. weitzman should make sure the money katherine receives goes directly towards PROVIDING FOR MICHAEL'S CHILDREN AND NOTHING ELSE. she should NOT receive money for refurbishing havenhurst, receiving new cars or ANYTHING. if any money does NOT go towards anything having to do with the children, she OWES THEM MONEY.

she is as guilty of making money off of her son's legacy as anyone else. she, over the years has convinced him to partake in projects he didn't necessarily want to do; but because he loved his mother he went ahead and did it reluctantly. the biggest example of this is that moonies fiasco. the other example: the victory tour.

i don't hate the jacksons; hating is too much energy. however, i consider them ALL to be greedy. this is not a secret that michael felt this way about his family.

ALSO AGAIN: i don't think this is a matter of taking sides. i don't think any of the family members should get a settlement from AEG; but i believe AEG to be a culprit in the murder of michael jackson. to me, this is largely a patients' rights issue. michael and conrad murray were both EMPLOYEES of AEG. the contract michael signed was all sorts of messed up. dates were out of place, the number of days he was slated to perform... randy phillips stated in interviews that michael was not aware of the number of dates they were gonna add.

michael jackson signed his life away to AEG, because he had no other choice. he needed the money to repay all the individuals and companies he owed to. it got so much that GOLDMAN SACHS got involved, stating that if he didn't come up with funds, his catalogs were at risk. AEG milked him for everything he had. both AEG and sony did, as well as members of his family. the ATV catalog was a HUGE factor in this. michael was pretty open about that as well.

somehow, AEG lost this mysterious 5-hour health examination that michael passed with flying colours? thome thome, randy phillips, phillip anschutz, jermaine jackson (who introduced michael to thome), tom barrack and others involved in AG/colony capital need to be investigated and need to make an appearance in court. these people had been trying to get at michael about this stuff for years.

i'm not sure why people feel the need to take sides. this is not a jacksons v. AEG/sony issue. to me, they are ALL guilty. this is where i stand.

musicjunky318 said:

This is one of the greatest moments ever.

no... this one is better:

This should go on a Janet thread. But since THIS is about Michael, I'll post it here while it's available on YT:

MJJstudent said:

i don't hate the jacksons; hating is too much energy. however, i consider them ALL to be greedy.

I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but just out of curiousity, what is it about them that makes you say they're greedy? What do you say to those that complain about the double standard?

[Edited 2/14/11 9:16am]

MOL said:

Free2BMe said:

I never believed that Jermaine was going to release a tell-all book with that skillet-faced Stacy Brown. In fact, Jermaine openly told him to stop telling those lies and that he would kick his ass if he didn't. You see that Skillet-Face Brown stopped saying that Jermaine was going to release a tell-all book with him. The fact that Rebbie is still associated with that bastard Brown just goes to tell you how this family is ONLY about making money, even at the cost of throwing Michael under the bus. Fuck them.

The investigators concluded MJ was not an addict. A passage of their conclusion documents reads as following: "Michael Jackson, deceased, was not taking the prescribed amounts of medication for various ailments (listed in the Coroner's official autopsy report, let alone abusing them as opposed to what sources, namely Steven, Latoya, Maureen and Joseph Jackson, kept telling us."

In the documents, the investigators also let it be known that NONE of the doctors MJ had was overprescribing him with drugs and that his "drug history" had no evidence of abuse. So how was he an addict? Addicted to what? How? When?

It's clear as water: the Jacksons call MJ an addict so the blame of his death can be shifted to AEG so they can sue it and get a payday.

And I could go on. These Jacksons trully are morally and intelectually inferior. I just love it when they complain they're not respected. Of course they're not respected!

i cannot wait until murray's defense team calls this 'family' to the stand.

Too cute.

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all i can say is that last years MICHAEL cd was a damn disappointment.I bet MJ wouldnt have liked it released in the state it was in.if i could get my £10 back i would ask for it.Invincible was better and that was more diabolical than one of saddam hussiens chemical weapons.i just wish things had ended on a better note for michael.Dangerous was his last decent listen.

DIAMONDGEEZA said:

all i can say is that last years MICHAEL cd was a damn disappointment.I bet MJ wouldnt have liked it released in the state it was in.if i could get my £10 back i would ask for it.Invincible was better and that was more diabolical than one of saddam hussiens chemical weapons.i just wish things had ended on a better note for michael.Dangerous was his last decent listen.

I think History was great as well. It was different from his other albums. The most aggresive and personal.

dag said:

DIAMONDGEEZA said:

all i can say is that last years MICHAEL cd was a damn disappointment.I bet MJ wouldnt have liked it released in the state it was in.if i could get my £10 back i would ask for it.Invincible was better and that was more diabolical than one of saddam hussiens chemical weapons.i just wish things had ended on a better note for michael.Dangerous was his last decent listen.

I think History was great as well. It was different from his other albums. The most aggresive and personal.

Exactly! I'm so tired of people dismissing HIStory! It's a great album!

PatrickS77 said:

dag said:

I think History was great as well. It was different from his other albums. The most aggresive and personal.

Exactly! I'm so tired of people dismissing HIStory! It's a great album!

PatrickS77 said:

dag said:

I think History was great as well. It was different from his other albums. The most aggresive and personal.

Exactly! I'm so tired of people dismissing HIStory! It's a great album!

HIStory is actually one of his best albums. it seems that the significant populace still wanted 'thriller'; i suppose i can attest, since i knew people who HAD HIStory, and never played the second half... also, there are people i've met who never even knew he produced anything after thriller or bad. HIStory indeed was his most personal work; i'd say dangerous was, in a lot of ways as well. people want to continue to see michael as a 'song and dance' man. he's not supposed to speak about personal or heavily political issues. you saw how crazy people went when the second part of the 'black or white' film came out...

dag said:

Too cute.

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i have nightmares watching this video. it reminds me of a gang-rape fantasy clip. the way tatiana was cornered by walls of men, and being chased... the imagery of her wearing a short, tight dress does not help the situation either. i can't listen to the song now because of it. for me, it is NOT amusing.

DIAMONDGEEZA said:

all i can say is that last years MICHAEL cd was a damn disappointment.I bet MJ wouldnt have liked it released in the state it was in.if i could get my £10 back i would ask for it.Invincible was better and that was more diabolical than one of saddam hussiens chemical weapons.i just wish things had ended on a better note for michael.Dangerous was his last decent listen.

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mookie said:

MJJstudent said:

i don't hate the jacksons; hating is too much energy. however, i consider them ALL to be greedy.

I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but just out of curiousity, what is it about them that makes you say they're greedy? What do you say to those that complain about the double standard?

[Edited 2/14/11 9:16am]

that is a long story... i will say this though: it's no secret they would call michael up whenever they needed money. they'd call and ask him to take part in a concert or some project or whatever. they never had faith in their own talents that they had to ride on the coattails of their brother (or son). i think tito and janet were the least greedy, since they were doing their own things. marlon also left the business briefly, so i would say he also went and did his own thing.

and we see what is happening NOW... they are all going on the tv. they can't shut their mouths. this is a quote from michael, about his brothers:

"they would jump on anything, any second. if anybody said, ' i want to interview you tomorrow about michael's new style of dress', 'sure'. 'cause they just want to be on tv, to be on tv."

i don't think there is any double standard at all... most people michael's known or run into in his professional life are just greedy: either for fame/notoriety, or money/assets. from his family to sony/AEG... they are all greedy. sure, there's degrees in which the greed exists, but greed is greed.

PatrickS77 said:

dag said:

I think History was great as well. It was different from his other albums. The most aggresive and personal.

Exactly! I'm so tired of people dismissing HIStory! It's a great album!

I've said it before I'll say it again...some of Michael Jackson's best works came out in the 90's. What a shame the rest of the world (aside from long time, hardcore fans) can name any albums after Bad.

musicjunky318 said:

This is one of the greatest moments ever.

Tell'em Mike!