MickyDolenz said:

HotGritz said:

6. Disco Lady - Johnnie Taylor

That's more of a funk tune, not a ballad or slow jam. Better choices for JT would be:

Time After Time

I Believe In You (You Believe In Me)

Stop Doggin' Me Around

Just Because

Hello Sundown

If You're Looking For A Fool

This Masquerade

Play Something Pretty

Your Love Is Rated X

Try Me Tonight

If She Stops Asking

I Worry About You

yeah but i like Disco Lady the best. If I can make love to it, then it's a slow jam.

MickyDolenz said:

HotGritz said:

6. Disco Lady - Johnnie Taylor

That's more of a funk tune, not a ballad or slow jam. Better choices for JT would be:

Time After Time

I Believe In You (You Believe In Me)

Stop Doggin' Me Around

Just Because

Hello Sundown

If You're Looking For A Fool

This Masquerade

Play Something Pretty

Your Love Is Rated X

Try Me Tonight

If She Stops Asking

I Worry About You

I would add Can I Love You Lady to that list.

trueiopian said:

UncleGrandpa said:

I caught that as well, Maxwell has two songs in the top ten. That speaks well to how good R.Kelly and Max write songs in the present time that they would rank as high as they did. This is a list made for the mature over 36 crowd, I don't have a problem with it.

R. Kelly wrote 'Fortunate'.

But this list is all types of wrong Most of these songs aren't even slow jams.

MOST of them are. Stop exaggerating.

HotGritz said:

If I can make love to it, then it's a slow jam.

I'm not sure that's a good criteria, as some do it to dance music or even heavy metal.

HotGritz said:

MickyDolenz said:

That's more of a funk tune, not a ballad or slow jam. Better choices for JT would be:

Time After Time

I Believe In You (You Believe In Me)

Stop Doggin' Me Around

Just Because

Hello Sundown

If You're Looking For A Fool

This Masquerade

Play Something Pretty

Your Love Is Rated X

Try Me Tonight

If She Stops Asking

I Worry About You

yeah but i like Disco Lady the best. If I can make love to it, then it's a slow jam.

How does a song about lusting after someone dancing on the floor equal to a "slow jam"?

Hell, I know people that like to make love to heavy metal music....that doesn't constitute it being a "slow jam".

daPrettyman said:

HotGritz said:

yeah but i like Disco Lady the best. If I can make love to it, then it's a slow jam.

How does a song about lusting after someone dancing on the floor equal to a "slow jam"?

Hell, I know people that like to make love to heavy metal music....that doesn't constitute it being a "slow jam".

Well if you are trying to move around the bases.

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BlaqueKnight said:

Unholyalliance said:

When I think of a 'slow jam' song, adult contemporary songs don't usually pop into my head even though a slow jam can also be classified as adult contemporary. Example, I don't think that anyone really considers Jewel's 'Who Will Save Your Soul' to be a slow jam or r&b. Usually, when someone classifies something as a 'slow jam' it's a sub-genre of r&b, rather than being classified as a 'slow jam' simply because it's slow or a ballad.

Human Nature is R&B. When it was out, it was on the R&B charts.

It charted on the Adult Contemporary charts, r&b, and Top 100 though. Also, I do understand that it is r&b, this I agree with, but that still doesn't mean that it's a 'slow jam.' Like Janet Jackson's 'Come Back To Me' is definitely a slow jam. So is a lot of stuff from Anita Baker or Prince's 'Adore.'

I was just under the impression that slow jams are usually heavy on the romantic content in terms of subject matter. MJ's I Just Can't Stop Loving You would be a better example of a 'slow jam.' Human Nature is not even a love song. I mean...could the O'Jays "Brandy" be considered a 'slow jam'? It just doesn't seem right.

MickyDolenz said:

HotGritz said:

If I can make love to it, then it's a slow jam.

I'm not sure that's a good criteria, as some do it to dance music or even heavy metal.

nah...

you make love to slow jams

you have sex to dance music

you fuck to heavy metal

Unholyalliance said:

...could the O'Jays "Brandy" be considered a 'slow jam'?

Well, a lot of people don't realize it's about a dog.

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MickyDolenz said:

Unholyalliance said:

Well, a lot of people don't realize it's about a dog.

[Edited 2/9/11 16:13pm]

Yeah that was crazy when i found that out.

MickyDolenz said:

you got some good tast in music, micky. 'blacks and blues' is one of the greatest albums of all times. to me, blue note is the greatest label of all times. and the 'mizell brothers' period is phenomenal. i won't mention their work with michael, hee hee...

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No Gloria by The Enchantments?

Where is EWF - I will write a song of love...that's just the most beautifull slow jam there is no? Also India Arie is missing, i feel she is highly underrated...:-s.

No one is going to be 100% happy with it (except for whoever made it) but overall, its a better list than most.

And India Arie should NOT be on here.

PANDURITO said:

Michael McDonald is white. Is that a mistake?

LOL. Why would that be a mistake? The focus here is on the songs, which includes the singer's voice and McDonald has a soulful voice. Music has no color unless you look at it as if it does. After all, this is not a list of The 100 Greatest Slow Jams By Black Artists. At least, that's not the title of the list. Michael McDonald is not the only white artist on this list.

The majority of this list is accurate, but some of these songs don't deserve to be on here, clearly.

PANDURITO said:

Michael McDonald is white. Is that a mistake?

So are Hall and Oates . . . .

Not a problem.

Purple Rain at 62 but no 'Adore?'

That makes no sense.

Where's 'Do Me, Baby?' 'Insatiable?'

'Beautiful Ones' isn't one of the Top 100 greatest slow jams?

BlaqueKnight said:

I'm a little suprised to see one of my favorite Maxwell cuts so high on the list. "Fortunate" is number three! Very cool. We could debate the order but this is a better list than many of the "best of" R&B lists I usually see.

Maxwell is rated too high and Maxwell has more deserving material than the two songs listed.

UncleGrandpa said:

BlaqueKnight said:

I'm a little suprised to see one of my favorite Maxwell cuts so high on the list. "Fortunate" is number three! Very cool. We could debate the order but this is a better list than many of the "best of" R&B lists I usually see.

I caught that as well, Maxwell has two songs in the top ten. That speaks well to how good R.Kelly and Max write songs in the present time that they would rank as high as they did. This is a list made for the mature over 36 crowd, I don't have a problem with it.

I'm over 36 and I have a lot of problems with it.

HotGritz said:

For Starters

1. When A Man Loves A Woman - Percy Sledge

2. I Want to Get Next to You - Rolls Royce

3. Fire & Desire - Rick James and Teena Marie

4. Twisted - Keith Sweat

5. Breakin’ My Heart (Pretty Brown Eyes) – Mint Condition
6. Disco Lady - Johnny Taylor

7. Let's Get It On - Marvyn Gaye

8. The Tracks of My Tears - Smokey & The Miracles

9. Ex-Factor - Lauryn Hill

10. Until You Come Back to Me - Aretha Franklin

11. Can't Get Enough of Your Love, Babe - Barry White

12. Let's Do It Again - Staples Singers

13. You Are Everything - Stylistics

14. Can You Stand The Rain - New Edition

15. For Your Love - Stevie Wonder

Co-sign

Unholyalliance said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Human Nature is R&B. When it was out, it was on the R&B charts.

It charted on the Adult Contemporary charts, r&b, and Top 100 though. Also, I do understand that it is r&b, this I agree with, but that still doesn't mean that it's a 'slow jam.' Like Janet Jackson's 'Come Back To Me' is definitely a slow jam. So is a lot of stuff from Anita Baker or Prince's 'Adore.'

I was just under the impression that slow jams are usually heavy on the romantic content in terms of subject matter. MJ's I Just Can't Stop Loving You would be a better example of a 'slow jam.' Human Nature is not even a love song. I mean...could the O'Jays "Brandy" be considered a 'slow jam'? It just doesn't seem right.

Slow jams don't have to be love songs and yes, 'Brandy' by the O'Jays is a slow jam.

'I Hate You' is a slow jam . . . .

MickyDolenz said:

Unholyalliance said:

Well, a lot of people don't realize it's about a dog.

[Edited 2/9/11 16:13pm]

That's why I loved it - because it was about a dog.

And the vocal delivery is so emotional, you can skip the fact that he's singing about a dog.

Same case with Michael Jackson's 'Ben.' You want that friendship with the rat to work out . . . .

SUPRMAN said:

MickyDolenz said:

Well, a lot of people don't realize it's about a dog.

[Edited 2/9/11 16:13pm]

That's why I loved it - because it was about a dog.

And the vocal delivery is so emotional, you can skip the fact that he's singing about a dog.

Same case with Michael Jackson's 'Ben.' You want that friendship with the rat to work out . . . .

Ben was written for Donny Osmond. He wasn't available, so it was given to Mike to sing. I like Wildfire (Michael Martin Murphey) which is about a horse.

Wow, "Reasons" should be at least second or third and yes Adore in the top ten too IMO.

BlaqueKnight said:

Unholyalliance said:

When I think of a 'slow jam' song, adult contemporary songs don't usually pop into my head even though a slow jam can also be classified as adult contemporary. Example, I don't think that anyone really considers Jewel's 'Who Will Save Your Soul' to be a slow jam or r&b. Usually, when someone classifies something as a 'slow jam' it's a sub-genre of r&b, rather than being classified as a 'slow jam' simply because it's slow or a ballad.

Human Nature is R&B. When it was out, it was on the R&B charts. Human Nature is considered a ballad-tempo song. It really falls on the line but its there.

I understand the point you are trying to make but I also know that songs like Michael McDonald's "I Keep Forgetting" also fall under the heading of ballad because when you have to choose what to mix it with in a playlist, it HAS to go with the slower songs arther than with the fast songs. Such is also the case with Human Nature.

They are midtempo songs. The type of songs that are too slow for the dancefloor and too fast for the bedroom. The type of songs that I consider as serving no purpose whatsoever. I like those two songs but when everything on the radio becomes midtempo (like it is today) then I have a problem with it because I absolutely live to shake ass on the dancefloor with someone and then take that person home later to the bedroom to get the dick. I ain't got no time for music that's for "sitting, talking, having a cup of coffee with someone, and then going home dickless". That type of music serves no purpose.

In this list, Aretha gets d-i-s-r-e-s-p-e-c-t-e-d:

And I agree about "Gloria", should've been there too.

Plus, "Distant Lover" would've been number-one on my list not Lutha. Hell Lutha's version of "If Only For One Night" is more of a slow jam than "A House Is Not a Home" to me.

SUPRMAN said:

Purple Rain at 62 but no 'Adore?'

That makes no sense.

Where's 'Do Me, Baby?' 'Insatiable?'

'Beautiful Ones' isn't one of the Top 100 greatest slow jams?

Of those songs only "Insatiable" was a hit. Remember, to the general public those songs probably don't exist.

rialb said:

SUPRMAN said:

Purple Rain at 62 but no 'Adore?'

That makes no sense.

Where's 'Do Me, Baby?' 'Insatiable?'

'Beautiful Ones' isn't one of the Top 100 greatest slow jams?

Of those songs only "Insatiable" was a hit. Remember, to the general public those songs probably don't exist.

Except for 'The Beautiful Ones' I've heard the others on radio, regularly. And not just locally. I think the general public is familiar with them.