I'm surprised at the high amount of people that shit on Invincible. It was an unessential album, sure, released in a sad/difficult period of Michael's life, but an album that features Unbreakable, You Rock My World, Butterflies, Heaven Can Wait, Break of Dawn and Whatever Happens can't be bad at all...the title-track and Heartbreaker were also decent...

his 70's solo albums or One Day in Your Life are by far worse...

[Edited 2/7/11 4:26am]

Yeah it's good to be objective and not completely kiss his butt, though I have fallen into that trap when I was younger and then out of it again. I read your response and almost forgot about how mj told fans at the fan party that he found out what Sony was up to and outsmarted them, as they wanted him to just sing and dance, but he outsmarted them, so now I don't blame him for telling them before about leaving, though it led to chaos anyway and they felt he spent 20 million on the album.

JoeTyler said:

I'm surprised at the high amount of people that shit on Invincible. It was an unessential album, sure, released in a sad/difficult period of Michael's life, but an album that features Unbreakable, You Rock My World, Butterflies, Heaven Can Wait, Break of Dawn and Whatever Happens can't be bad at all...the title-track and Heartbreaker were also decent...

I think the slow tracks/ballads are very good: "Break Of Dawn","Heaven Can Wait","Butterflies","Whatever Happens","Speechless".

I don't really like the uptempo stuff,though.It's all boring,by-the-numbers,R&B.

SoulAlive said:

Marrk said:

The thing about Madonna that gets to me is.. OK she might write or co-write stuff, but i see her sat there ticking off lists of hot producers, "Well there's this Orbit/Mirwais guy, he's really hot in dance clubs, Timbaland too in Hip Hop, i must have these guys". makes phonecall, " Hello Timbaland, Madonnna here, Yeah the real Madonna, I've got this song i wrote, you're so awesome. This really could be mutually beneficial. Wanna put some beats to it? yeah? cool."

"OK see you tomorrow"

I never got the impression Mike really did that, it's not like Q was a 'hot' pop music producer. Even in latter years, this Dr Freeze character, never really heard of him = not hot. No Neptunes, No Timbaland. Michaels' finished work is more his own audio 'vision' i feel.

lol..I gotta disagree with much of what you said

Michael Jackson most certainly worked with "hot" producers throughout his entire career.I don't know how old you are but I can tell you that Quincy Jones was definitely a "hot" producer when Michael began working with him.By the time Michael went into the studio to record the 'Thriller' album,Quincy was arguably the hottest producer in all of pop music.You mentioned Dr. Freeze,but what about Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis,R.Kelly,Rodney Jerkins,Teddy Riley,Babyface and several other hot producers that Michael worked with after Quincy? During the recording of 'Invincible,he also recorded songs with Lauryn Hill,The Neptunes,Wyclef,Timbaland and Missy,and basically anyone else who was 'hot' during that time period (1998-2001).

I always got the impression that,when he was preparing a new album,Michael would look at the Billboard charts,see what is selling,and make a few phone calls He even recorded a song with 50 Cent...lol...I bet that Michael didn't even like the music of 50 Cent.He just wanted to work with whomever is popular.He has always been this way.Go back and watch the "Liberian Girl" video.He always liked to surround himself with popular people.Listen to the spoken part at the end of "Whatever Happens".That's his way of bragging "I got Carlos Santana on my album"...lol...before 'Supernatural' (which sold millions and won 8 Grammys),Michael never even expressed an interest in Santana.

Now,Madonna has done this throughout her career too,but she's done several albums with unknown,under-the-radar producers too.Patrick Leonard wasn't exactly a household name when she worked with him in the 80s.Ditto for William Orbit (Ray Of Light),Mirwais (Music,American Life) and Stuart Price (Confessions On A Dancefloor).Some of these guys only became popular after working with her.The last album 'Hard Candy' was an obvious attempt to be "commercial" but she doesn't do albums like that all the time.

I agree that Quincy and Teddy were hot when MJ approached them. But from what I understand, Quincy did movie soundtracks and jazz right? With occasional disco/r&b songs?

JoeTyler said:

I'm surprised at the high amount of people that shit on Invincible. It was an unessential album, sure, released in a sad/difficult period of Michael's life, but an album that features Unbreakable, You Rock My World, Butterflies, Heaven Can Wait, Break of Dawn and Whatever Happens can't be bad at all...the title-track and Heartbreaker were also decent...

his 70's solo albums or One Day in Your Life are by far worse...

[Edited 2/7/11 4:26am]

Nooo!! Don't bash Music & Me!!

alphastreet said:

SoulAlive said:

lol..I gotta disagree with much of what you said

Michael Jackson most certainly worked with "hot" producers throughout his entire career.I don't know how old you are but I can tell you that Quincy Jones was definitely a "hot" producer when Michael began working with him.By the time Michael went into the studio to record the 'Thriller' album,Quincy was arguably the hottest producer in all of pop music.You mentioned Dr. Freeze,but what about Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis,R.Kelly,Rodney Jerkins,Teddy Riley,Babyface and several other hot producers that Michael worked with after Quincy? During the recording of 'Invincible,he also recorded songs with Lauryn Hill,The Neptunes,Wyclef,Timbaland and Missy,and basically anyone else who was 'hot' during that time period (1998-2001).

I always got the impression that,when he was preparing a new album,Michael would look at the Billboard charts,see what is selling,and make a few phone calls He even recorded a song with 50 Cent...lol...I bet that Michael didn't even like the music of 50 Cent.He just wanted to work with whomever is popular.He has always been this way.Go back and watch the "Liberian Girl" video.He always liked to surround himself with popular people.Listen to the spoken part at the end of "Whatever Happens".That's his way of bragging "I got Carlos Santana on my album"...lol...before 'Supernatural' (which sold millions and won 8 Grammys),Michael never even expressed an interest in Santana.

Now,Madonna has done this throughout her career too,but she's done several albums with unknown,under-the-radar producers too.Patrick Leonard wasn't exactly a household name when she worked with him in the 80s.Ditto for William Orbit (Ray Of Light),Mirwais (Music,American Life) and Stuart Price (Confessions On A Dancefloor).Some of these guys only became popular after working with her.The last album 'Hard Candy' was an obvious attempt to be "commercial" but she doesn't do albums like that all the time.

I agree that Quincy and Teddy were hot when MJ approached them. But from what I understand, Quincy did movie soundtracks and jazz right? With occasional disco/r&b songs?

In the late 70s when Michael began working with him,Quincy was an established artist,doing film scores as well as his own albums.He was also producing other artists (Brothers Johnson,Rufus and Chaka Khan,etc).

JoeTyler said:

I'm surprised at the high amount of people that shit on Invincible. It was an unessential album, sure, released in a sad/difficult period of Michael's life, but an album that features Unbreakable, You Rock My World, Butterflies, Heaven Can Wait, Break of Dawn and Whatever Happens can't be bad at all...the title-track and Heartbreaker were also decent...

his 70's solo albums or One Day in Your Life are by far worse...

[Edited 2/7/11 4:26am]

wooow... music and me was great... and FOREVER, MICHAEL to me, is his best out of the motown output... 'one day in your life' was released in 1981 as a compilation... but a lot of the songs on the compilation were from 'forever, michael'.

but yes, to me invincible is amazing.

SoulAlive said:

alphastreet said:

I agree that Quincy and Teddy were hot when MJ approached them. But from what I understand, Quincy did movie soundtracks and jazz right? With occasional disco/r&b songs?

In the late 70s when Michael began working with him,Quincy was an established artist,doing film scores as well as his own albums.He was also producing other artists (Brothers Johnson,Rufus and Chaka Khan,etc).

oh yeah brothers johnson, I LOVE Stomp! Get On the Floor reminds me a lot of that song. I get annoyed when MJ fans don't know all this stuff, so that's one of the reasons why I love coming here.

MJJstudent said:

JoeTyler said:

I'm surprised at the high amount of people that shit on Invincible. It was an unessential album, sure, released in a sad/difficult period of Michael's life, but an album that features Unbreakable, You Rock My World, Butterflies, Heaven Can Wait, Break of Dawn and Whatever Happens can't be bad at all...the title-track and Heartbreaker were also decent...

his 70's solo albums or One Day in Your Life are by far worse...

[Edited 2/7/11 4:26am]

wooow... music and me was great... and FOREVER, MICHAEL to me, is his best out of the motown output... 'one day in your life' was released in 1981 as a compilation... but a lot of the songs on the compilation were from 'forever, michael'.

but yes, to me invincible is amazing.

I was also going to talk about forever michael and one day in your life, but you did it for me Dapper Dan is another underrated MJ song, but Music & Me is my favourite motown solo album.

sorry, but I don't like Michael's pre-Destiny work, and I don't think it's great music either. I'm not a fan of Michael the Kid, or Michael the Teenager.

Post-Destiny all the way

alphastreet said:

Yeah it's good to be objective and not completely kiss his butt, though I have fallen into that trap when I was younger and then out of it again. I read your response and almost forgot about how mj told fans at the fan party that he found out what Sony was up to and outsmarted them, as they wanted him to just sing and dance, but he outsmarted them, so now I don't blame him for telling them before about leaving, though it led to chaos anyway and they felt he spent 20 million on the album.

yeah... nobody is perfect. we have to treat everyone the same and not get entraped in the 'celebrity hierarchy' thing.

i do think michael slipped up in a lot of ways referring to his career (such as, okaying the deal from CBS to sony, as well as borrowing against himself to sony and BoA, etc.) but the man made a bunch of smart moves, that no one before or since will ever do, because it's impossible. no one will ever allow a single person (in particular, if they are black; because we all know racism is alive and well in the u.s.- ask bill cosby, when he tried to purchase NBC, and look what happened to him) to purchase a lucrative catalog like ATV.

yeah, at the 'thriller killer' even michael SPECIFICALLY points out sony, and THEN mottola. a lot of the fan base choose to ignore his troubled relationship with sony and single out mottola; as they defend what sony is doing posthumously.

michael never again signed another contract with sony, or anyone else. all those greatest hits packages and re-releases; this was an easy way for michael to fulfill whatever requirements he had with sony at the time. remember, he owed them a bunch of money. so why not re-release thriller? even though michael was pretty open about not repeating past works; he also knew how much 'thriller' sold- and how everyone compares EVERYTHING ELSE he's done to that album- so in my opinion, even though i find thriller to be his WORST album, i think it's extremely smart to re-release it, from a marketing and business standpoint.

the other thing is, i don't care what excuse people come up with. it's pretty well known michael owed a bunch of money to individuals and corporations. and his non-liquid assets were major collateral. anything having to do with 'this is it' was a way to repay loans. AEG coaxed him into this, thanks to thome. they had been trying for a couple of years, during the colony capital deal.

when i first saw that speech he did on 5 march 2009, something didn't look right to me, considering michael was adamant about never touring again. and then he pulls that speech. the first thing i thought of was that speech he gave on the last night of the dodgers stadium 'victory' show. and then all the health and insurance issues come up. and this mysterious '5-hour exam'. the man had no distinct management- UNTIL may or june of 2009. ALL of it is fishy. thome thome does NOT count as a manager. 2009 was the year michael was to receive the FULL RIGHTS to his MIJAC catalog back.

if you look at what happened with AEG, his and conrad murray's employer, they told him that if he were not to perform the shows, ATV was at risk. MIJAC was also in discussions. i am not sure why much of the fan base is not discussing this. these organizations are making sure to keep murray's name out there, in order to not be named in association with his murder. it's not uncommon for major organizations to do.

but this whole drama with michael to me, lends to three letters: ATV.

[Edited 2/7/11 5:10am]

MJJstudent said:

alphastreet said:

Yeah it's good to be objective and not completely kiss his butt, though I have fallen into that trap when I was younger and then out of it again. I read your response and almost forgot about how mj told fans at the fan party that he found out what Sony was up to and outsmarted them, as they wanted him to just sing and dance, but he outsmarted them, so now I don't blame him for telling them before about leaving, though it led to chaos anyway and they felt he spent 20 million on the album.

yeah... nobody is perfect. we have to treat everyone the same and not get entraped in the 'celebrity hierarchy' thing.

i do think michael slipped up in a lot of ways referring to his career (such as, okaying the deal from CBS to sony, as well as borrowing against himself to sony and BoA, etc.) but the man made a bunch of smart moves, that no one before or since will ever do, because it's impossible. no one will ever allow a single person (in particular, if they are black; because we all know racism is alive and well in the u.s.- ask bill cosby, when he tried to purchase NBC, and look what happened to him) to purchase a lucrative catalog like ATV.

yeah, at the 'thriller killer' even michael SPECIFICALLY points out sony, and THEN mottola. a lot of the fan base choose to ignore his troubled relationship with sony and single out mottola; as they defend what sony is doing posthumously.

michael never again signed another contract with sony, or anyone else. all those greatest hits packages and re-releases; this was an easy way for michael to fulfill whatever requirements he had with sony at the time. remember, he owed them a bunch of money. so why not re-release thriller? even though michael was pretty open about not repeating past works; he also knew how much 'thriller' sold- and how everyone compares EVERYTHING ELSE he's done to that album- so in my opinion, even though i find thriller to be his WORST album, i think it's extremely smart to re-release it, from a marketing and business standpoint.

You have some very good insight on the business side of things, even though during that time I think I got a little selfish and was getting sad and upset there was no new music. I was giving Janet, Madonna and Mariah more attention and going to those tours and feeling bitter about all that happened to Michael, thinking he should be doing all this. I felt 2009 was going to be a redemption, but it was all for selfish reasons, cause he was my favourite of them all and then he died I was miserable in my own life and I had grown obsessed with him to get away from the stress, I was starting to but then the shows were announced and it was in full swing again with so much excitement. I felt awful when he died, his kids lost their dad, his parents lived to see that, and janet :*( and I feel like he won though he didn't make it to the shows, but I felt he just wanted to perform one more time and call it quits and I was fine with that.

JoeTyler said:

sorry, but I don't like Michael's pre-Destiny work, and I don't think it's great music either. I'm not a fan of Michael the Kid, or Michael the Teenager.

Post-Destiny all the way

hey, that's cool, i ain't mad witcha.

MJJstudent said:

JoeTyler said:

sorry, but I don't like Michael's pre-Destiny work, and I don't think it's great music either. I'm not a fan of Michael the Kid, or Michael the Teenager.

Post-Destiny all the way

hey, that's cool, i ain't mad witcha.

what about Goin Places? I feel that album is the perfect bridge between young and adult michael, vocally

alphastreet said:

SoulAlive said:

In the late 70s when Michael began working with him,Quincy was an established artist,doing film scores as well as his own albums.He was also producing other artists (Brothers Johnson,Rufus and Chaka Khan,etc).

oh yeah brothers johnson, I LOVE Stomp! Get On the Floor reminds me a lot of that song. I get annoyed when MJ fans don't know all this stuff, so that's one of the reasons why I love coming here.

it's because louis johnson co-wrote 'get on the floor', and played the amazing bass line for the track... that song is brilliant! it's one of the greatest tracks on the album.

alphastreet said:

MJJstudent said:

wooow... music and me was great... and FOREVER, MICHAEL to me, is his best out of the motown output... 'one day in your life' was released in 1981 as a compilation... but a lot of the songs on the compilation were from 'forever, michael'.

but yes, to me invincible is amazing.

I was also going to talk about forever michael and one day in your life, but you did it for me Dapper Dan is another underrated MJ song, but Music & Me is my favourite motown solo album.

'dapper dan' has that meters kind of sound to it... they DEFINITELY used new orleans as an influence... they took everything from chicago, barry white, gamble and huff... it's an amazing album, and prrof that michael could tackle any artistic territoty, even at that age.

alphastreet said:

MJJstudent said:

hey, that's cool, i ain't mad witcha.

what about Goin Places? I feel that album is the perfect bridge between young and adult michael, vocally

'even though you're gone' is actually my favourite jacksons' era song from the gamble and huff era... 'triumph' is also an underrated album, in terms of the arrangements. 'time waits for no one', 'heartbreak hotel' to me is one of michael's most brilliant compositions, sonically.

alphastreet said:

SoulAlive said:

lol..I gotta disagree with much of what you said

Michael Jackson most certainly worked with "hot" producers throughout his entire career.I don't know how old you are but I can tell you that Quincy Jones was definitely a "hot" producer when Michael began working with him.By the time Michael went into the studio to record the 'Thriller' album,Quincy was arguably the hottest producer in all of pop music.You mentioned Dr. Freeze,but what about Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis,R.Kelly,Rodney Jerkins,Teddy Riley,Babyface and several other hot producers that Michael worked with after Quincy? During the recording of 'Invincible,he also recorded songs with Lauryn Hill,The Neptunes,Wyclef,Timbaland and Missy,and basically anyone else who was 'hot' during that time period (1998-2001).

I always got the impression that,when he was preparing a new album,Michael would look at the Billboard charts,see what is selling,and make a few phone calls He even recorded a song with 50 Cent...lol...I bet that Michael didn't even like the music of 50 Cent.He just wanted to work with whomever is popular.He has always been this way.Go back and watch the "Liberian Girl" video.He always liked to surround himself with popular people.Listen to the spoken part at the end of "Whatever Happens".That's his way of bragging "I got Carlos Santana on my album"...lol...before 'Supernatural' (which sold millions and won 8 Grammys),Michael never even expressed an interest in Santana.

Now,Madonna has done this throughout her career too,but she's done several albums with unknown,under-the-radar producers too.Patrick Leonard wasn't exactly a household name when she worked with him in the 80s.Ditto for William Orbit (Ray Of Light),Mirwais (Music,American Life) and Stuart Price (Confessions On A Dancefloor).Some of these guys only became popular after working with her.The last album 'Hard Candy' was an obvious attempt to be "commercial" but she doesn't do albums like that all the time.

I agree that Quincy and Teddy were hot when MJ approached them. But from what I understand, Quincy did movie soundtracks and jazz right? With occasional disco/r&b songs?

That's what i was referring to with Q. He wasn't a 'pop' producer really at all (apart from the occasional dabble), so actually was a bit of a bold move on MJ's part. I didn't elaborate then because i was crediting the reader with having some intelligence. I guess i'll have to explain every single detail in future.

[Edited 2/7/11 5:24am]

alphastreet said:

MJJstudent said:

yeah... nobody is perfect. we have to treat everyone the same and not get entraped in the 'celebrity hierarchy' thing.

i do think michael slipped up in a lot of ways referring to his career (such as, okaying the deal from CBS to sony, as well as borrowing against himself to sony and BoA, etc.) but the man made a bunch of smart moves, that no one before or since will ever do, because it's impossible. no one will ever allow a single person (in particular, if they are black; because we all know racism is alive and well in the u.s.- ask bill cosby, when he tried to purchase NBC, and look what happened to him) to purchase a lucrative catalog like ATV.

yeah, at the 'thriller killer' even michael SPECIFICALLY points out sony, and THEN mottola. a lot of the fan base choose to ignore his troubled relationship with sony and single out mottola; as they defend what sony is doing posthumously.

michael never again signed another contract with sony, or anyone else. all those greatest hits packages and re-releases; this was an easy way for michael to fulfill whatever requirements he had with sony at the time. remember, he owed them a bunch of money. so why not re-release thriller? even though michael was pretty open about not repeating past works; he also knew how much 'thriller' sold- and how everyone compares EVERYTHING ELSE he's done to that album- so in my opinion, even though i find thriller to be his WORST album, i think it's extremely smart to re-release it, from a marketing and business standpoint.

You have some very good insight on the business side of things, even though during that time I think I got a little selfish and was getting sad and upset there was no new music. I was giving Janet, Madonna and Mariah more attention and going to those tours and feeling bitter about all that happened to Michael, thinking he should be doing all this. I felt 2009 was going to be a redemption, but it was all for selfish reasons, cause he was my favourite of them all and then he died I was miserable in my own life and I had grown obsessed with him to get away from the stress, I was starting to but then the shows were announced and it was in full swing again with so much excitement. I felt awful when he died, his kids lost their dad, his parents lived to see that, and janet :*( and I feel like he won though he didn't make it to the shows, but I felt he just wanted to perform one more time and call it quits and I was fine with that.

thanks for the kind words... i've been studying michael for some time, as i consider him to be my life's teacher. this is why i study the slipups as well as the accomplishments.

i don't think, from looking at him michael would have been happy doing the O2 residency. i think he would have been happier doiung the smaller-scale shows, because it would not have been so much of a commitment, or trial on his body. we have to put ourselves in his position- the man was arthritic, had lupus, possibly renaud's phenomenon (which could be why he had the tape on his fingers), 'dancer's feet'... 45 years of doing what he did took an extreme toll on his body. very few people worked as hard as he did. so yes, WE would want him to perform for us, but what about him?

it seems to me, from studying his interviews, he just wanted to hang out with his kids and do more in cinema. and do the appearance here and there (not unlike the 2001 MSG shows). but a RESIDENCY? nah. he was open about not knowing about the increase in shows.

because AEG increased the shows his health worsened. and now his children do not have a father. he was a commodity to them, and in many ways, to us.

i too began to study him intently because i began to identify with him, so i definitely understand your sentiment.

JoeTyler said:

You don't like kid Michael?!? And Invincible better than his debut or Ben? No way.

I love Mike at any age, but my 2 favorite MJ songs are both pre-Destiny: "Show You the Way to Go" and "I Wanna Be Where You Are."

I'm sticking with the albums I chose

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MJJstudent said:

alphastreet said:

oh yeah brothers johnson, I LOVE Stomp! Get On the Floor reminds me a lot of that song. I get annoyed when MJ fans don't know all this stuff, so that's one of the reasons why I love coming here.

it's because louis johnson co-wrote 'get on the floor', and played the amazing bass line for the track... that song is brilliant! it's one of the greatest tracks on the album.

yeah quincy talked about it on off the wall

MJJstudent said:

alphastreet said:

what about Goin Places? I feel that album is the perfect bridge between young and adult michael, vocally

'even though you're gone' is actually my favourite jacksons' era song from the gamble and huff era... 'triumph' is also an underrated album, in terms of the arrangements. 'time waits for no one', 'heartbreak hotel' to me is one of michael's most brilliant compositions, sonically.

LOVE those!!!

SoulAlive said:

Marrk said:

The thing about Madonna that gets to me is.. OK she might write or co-write stuff, but i see her sat there ticking off lists of hot producers, "Well there's this Orbit/Mirwais guy, he's really hot in dance clubs, Timbaland too in Hip Hop, i must have these guys". makes phonecall, " Hello Timbaland, Madonnna here, Yeah the real Madonna, I've got this song i wrote, you're so awesome. This really could be mutually beneficial. Wanna put some beats to it? yeah? cool."

"OK see you tomorrow"

I never got the impression Mike really did that, it's not like Q was a 'hot' pop music producer. Even in latter years, this Dr Freeze character, never really heard of him = not hot. No Neptunes, No Timbaland. Michaels' finished work is more his own audio 'vision' i feel.

lol..I gotta disagree with much of what you said

Michael Jackson most certainly worked with "hot" producers throughout his entire career.I don't know how old you are but I can tell you that Quincy Jones was definitely a "hot" producer when Michael began working with him.By the time Michael went into the studio to record the 'Thriller' album,Quincy was arguably the hottest producer in all of pop music.You mentioned Dr. Freeze,but what about Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis,R.Kelly,Rodney Jerkins,Teddy Riley,Babyface and several other hot producers that Michael worked with after Quincy? During the recording of 'Invincible,he also recorded songs with Lauryn Hill,The Neptunes,Wyclef,Timbaland and Missy,and basically anyone else who was 'hot' during that time period (1998-2001).

I always got the impression that,when he was preparing a new album,Michael would look at the Billboard charts,see what is selling,and make a few phone calls He even recorded a song with 50 Cent...lol...I bet that Michael didn't even like the music of 50 Cent.He just wanted to work with whomever is popular.He has always been this way.Go back and watch the "Liberian Girl" video.He always liked to surround himself with popular people.Listen to the spoken part at the end of "Whatever Happens".That's his way of bragging "I got Carlos Santana on my album"...lol...before 'Supernatural' (which sold millions and won 8 Grammys),Michael never even expressed an interest in Santana.

Now,Madonna has done this throughout her career too,but she's done several albums with unknown,under-the-radar producers too.Patrick Leonard wasn't exactly a household name when she worked with him in the 80s.Ditto for William Orbit (Ray Of Light),Mirwais (Music,American Life) and Stuart Price (Confessions On A Dancefloor).Some of these guys only became popular after working with her.The last album 'Hard Candy' was an obvious attempt to be "commercial" but she doesn't do albums like that all the time.

Now wait a minute! He never recorded a song with 50. He planned but it fell through and he moved on. The estate and Teddy decided to bring 50 on the new album

His ass wasn't even needed on the song

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I'm probably gonna get slaughtered for this, but I think HIStory is MJ's worst disc.

Best is probably Off the Wall or Dangerous.

Madonna's, I can't really comment on because I haven't really heard the majority of her catalog other than the hits.

armpit said:

I'm probably gonna get slaughtered for this, but I think HIStory is MJ's worst disc.

Best is probably Off the Wall or Dangerous.

Madonna's, I can't really comment on because I haven't really heard the majority of her catalog other than the hits.

nah... i TOTALLY dis-agree with you (to me, HIStory is one of his best) but you are totally entitled to your opinion. you're just not feeling it, and that's okay.

bboy87 said:

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1. i LOVE dangerous, and 2. that's the only madonna album i like. when she was cute and had some chubb, and did 'everybody' (which to me is her greatest song of all times). the 12" cut is hot!

bboy87 said:

SoulAlive said:

lol..I gotta disagree with much of what you said

Michael Jackson most certainly worked with "hot" producers throughout his entire career.I don't know how old you are but I can tell you that Quincy Jones was definitely a "hot" producer when Michael began working with him.By the time Michael went into the studio to record the 'Thriller' album,Quincy was arguably the hottest producer in all of pop music.You mentioned Dr. Freeze,but what about Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis,R.Kelly,Rodney Jerkins,Teddy Riley,Babyface and several other hot producers that Michael worked with after Quincy? During the recording of 'Invincible,he also recorded songs with Lauryn Hill,The Neptunes,Wyclef,Timbaland and Missy,and basically anyone else who was 'hot' during that time period (1998-2001).

I always got the impression that,when he was preparing a new album,Michael would look at the Billboard charts,see what is selling,and make a few phone calls He even recorded a song with 50 Cent...lol...I bet that Michael didn't even like the music of 50 Cent.He just wanted to work with whomever is popular.He has always been this way.Go back and watch the "Liberian Girl" video.He always liked to surround himself with popular people.Listen to the spoken part at the end of "Whatever Happens".That's his way of bragging "I got Carlos Santana on my album"...lol...before 'Supernatural' (which sold millions and won 8 Grammys),Michael never even expressed an interest in Santana.

Now,Madonna has done this throughout her career too,but she's done several albums with unknown,under-the-radar producers too.Patrick Leonard wasn't exactly a household name when she worked with him in the 80s.Ditto for William Orbit (Ray Of Light),Mirwais (Music,American Life) and Stuart Price (Confessions On A Dancefloor).Some of these guys only became popular after working with her.The last album 'Hard Candy' was an obvious attempt to be "commercial" but she doesn't do albums like that all the time.

Now wait a minute! He never recorded a song with 50. He planned but it fell through and he moved on. The estate and Teddy decided to bring 50 on the new album

His ass wasn't even needed on the song

hee hee...