Joshy84au said:

what a dweebish quality

How many childhoods does MJ have to have to make up for that one he lost?

After seeing this I immediately remembered my psychology lectures from University studying medicine.
There is no doubt in my mind that Michael has a psychotic illness. What it is, I can not say for certain. However, look at all the evidence; habitual lying, delusional thoughts and delusions of grandeur amongst others. Most obvious is that he has the mind of a pre-teen child, whom has lived for 44 years. He is obsessed with theme park rides, has sleepovers with his 'friends' and showed the eagerness of a child in climbing the tree. Possible scizophrenia is most likely the cause for some or all of this behaviour and the continual need to change his appearance. One of the personalities inside him could be a white boy-remember he hated his looks as a youngster and was teased by his dad and others for his nose,pimples etc. Commonly schizophrenics develop personalities which take them to a different world. he is then in constant denial about skin bleaching and face work as the personality is white. Also look at certain stages of the show where he seemed agitated and doing everything at double speed. This is a sign of some medications or possibly recreational drugs. Look at the scenes involving the Berlin hotel.
As far as sex I don't think he has ever had it. His story regarding Tatum O'Neal was very telling. She may have been overpowering but his response was that of a very immature child. I believe the only sexual contact he has had would probably be with the young children as he believes himself to be one. I'm not saying sexual intercourse, I believe it is the sexual experimentation that kids go through pre-teen i.e. I'll show you mine if you show me yours, and possibly touching each others genitals out of curiosity.
I feel sorry for the 3 kids as they are being bought up to follow in his footsteps.

mashedpotato said:

I have to agree with you totally on this, mashedpotato.

BIG SECRET HERE: Over a year ago I suffered from a probably drug induced early-stage psychosis...luckily after about a year and a half I made a full recovery with medication and therapy and I am completely well now. So I can tell you from my own "insight" as it is called in the profession, that Michael Jackson appears to suffer from some sort of mental illness. That is my opinion. Not a disability - he is not mentally deficient, but he definitely displays all the signs of a chemical imbalance, which is what psychosis is. Many creative people do in fact, famous or not, but I think his massive fame has inflamed a problem that has been there since his early teens.

I love his music, but I am convinced he is messed up and needs help. People with mental illness should not be frowned upon, they should be understood and treated with the correct care until they (hopefully) recover.

I would love to see Michael Jackson happy and well again.

My
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mashedpotato said:

Wrong. He has sexual intercourse with Lisa-Marie Presley. Jackson lost interest in sex after they failed to produce a child.
[This message was edited Wed Feb 5 3:24:07 PST 2003 by papaa]

bkw said:

Yea, dude is stuck @ whatever age things started getting overwhelmingly fucked up for him - sad really.



I just hate when overzealous fans of his try to act like the dude is normal - he's NOT! Mike has some serious, SERIOUS problems. Dig him all you want but at least be real about it - he's a fucking mess...

You guys,isn't it a little silly to be speculating about Michael's sex life? Comments like "I don't think he has ever had sex" are beyond absurd.We may know alot about him,but unless YOU were there in his bedroom,you can't possibly draw conclusions like that

Again,I stopped caring about MJ's personal life years ago.It just doesn't matter to me how many surgeries he's had,or how many kids he has.It doesn't affect my life in any way,shape or form.When it comes to MJ,all I care about is two things...


When is the new CD due?
Will there be a tour?

CalhounSq said:

fans or not,that's why he should be receiving people's support and not their malice.

ok, ok...I know mistermaxxx is going to comment but why did MJ lie about the plastic surgery on his face. WE CAN SEE YOUR FACE MIKE!!

I'm also tired of him doggin' his dad. He needs to get therapy and move on because if that man didn't have a vision for the family, they would still be up in Gary tryin' to figure out how to get out of there.

It's ok to still be dealing with issues in your 20's, getting therapy in your 30's but by the time you're 40 something...let it go.

(ok, now I"m waiting for the orgnote for mistermaxxx)

Rhondab said:

Good Morning Orgers,

Co-sign Rhondab!!! People dog Joe and says he is to blame for a lot of Michael's and his brothers issues and problems. But I know this much, he had a vision for his kids and wanted a better life for them. And guess what? Ain't none of them got a hit a lick at nothing right now unless they just want to{yes even Tito}. Right now if Mike says I'm through...I retire. He is well set up to do so.

Anybody remember the Ebony Jet Showcase T.V interrview he did in 1987 after Bad was released. He said at one part of the interview that "my fame has cost me alot, but I have also GAINED alot...I've been fortunate and blessed to have traveled the world over..places that many people have only read about" or something to that effect.

My sentiments exactly!!!

maybe he's just tired of going over old ground regarding his face.
I think he was genuinley pissed that he's getting the same old questions and showed disdain for Bashir in his answer.

I know what Mike's had done, his nose, and his cleft in his chin.He's revealed this before numerous times.

It is upto him what he does with his features at the end of the day.I get the feeling some people won't be happy unless he says "i hated my black face".

Then will they be happy???

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One thing is for sure.In the U.S.,this TV special will be a ratings smash.Last year,his Celebration concert special was seen by over 27 million households.Kinda makes you wonder why MJ doesn't just sign a deal with the networks and do a weekly TV series or something...lol...

Marrk said:

nah..it's just about being honest. I wanted Whitney to be real about her drug use and she wasn't (I think she was even high in the interview).

It's sorta obvious that Michael wasn't happy with his more "ethnic" features.

Marrk said:

To tell you the truth, I was hoping it will be more musical related topics that Mike would be discussing{looks like that's not gonna be the case}.

An immediate sign of trouble is when you see a musical artist/musician discussing non-musicial items more than the music.

rdhull said:

Co-sign. :LOL:

bkw said:

Right, I wish him no ill personally and respect him musically. The fact remains he is heavily scarred from childhood of abuse and fame and had he not a whole lot of dollars he would have been "corrected" by now be it on a psychiatrist's couch or jailtime.

DavidEye said:

Move over Ozzy & Anna-Nicole !!!

papaa said:

WTF? Were you peeking through the window the night of their fake wedding? Or maybe MJ took you aside a while later and discussed the lack of baby being produced put him off the whole thing?

MJ and sex

ugh...there are no excuses for bad behavior. Michael should not have children in his bed for some sleep over. It's inappropriate. I don't care if Papa Joe beat him every second...no excuse for bad behavior...get some therapy and move on. GROW THE HELL UP AND BE AN ADULT!!

The peter pan thing was cute when he was 25...it's sad at 44.

Rhondab, you're when you're (I mean even more
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Essence said:

E, I feel you are way off base here. This isn't all black and white (no pun intended) Mike isn't a saint nor is he a monster as some would have you believe. I honestly don't feel Mike has ever molested any children. I won't go into the holes in the LAPD's case years back but I'll just leave it at I'm more sure he didn't do it than did. Most everyone can agree that MJ is removed from reality and maintains a different perspective of the world. But those same people then apply "normal" social standards to the choices he makes. Of course it's foolish to have children not related to you sleeping in your room. I coach girls softball and won't even take a girl home without someone else in the car. I know I wouldn't molest a child so I'm not protecting them from anything by doing this but rather protecting myself from any allegations of such acts. So in Mike's mind he doesn't see anything wrong with this. He knows his feelings are of a non sexual nature and thus doesn't see anything wrong with what he is doing. This is where his lack of prospective hurts him. I agree, he is a sad person who seems lost in the world. What he really needed was a strong father to help him as her grew into a man and not the 44 year old man-child he is now. The real crime here is what Joe Jackson did to his children. Mike just took the brunt of it being as he was the mega star of the family. And one more thing, someone said they feel sorry for MJ's kids. Trust me, there are millions of kids in the world with more of a disadvantage than his. So lay off this Mike is a molester talk unless you are ready to review the case brought against him. And don't forget it was the LAPD who did investigating and a power hungry DA (Gil Garsette) who wanting to make a name for himself who pushed it ahead. It's a damn shame that people can portray statements as fact when they are far from it.

Damn it...if one more person talks about Papa Joe...I'mma beat you like Ike Turner.


Look, Papa Joe was an abusive father but I can't support a 44 year old man still playing the victim. Resolve your issues and become a survivor of the past. No excuse for bad behavior.

So damn it leave Pappa Joe alone before I pop a cap in yo ass.


(crackin' myself up)

Rhondab said:

An excuse and a reason are two different things. MJ is responsible for his action but that still doesn't change the fact that Joe Jackson beat and abused his kid's causing many of the problems they have today. As for saying "well Joe got them there" Fuck that! Speaking as a father of 2, child abuse isn't acceptable under any terms. Dude should have been a real man and took care of his kids without making their childhood and teenage years a living hell. So hell no I won't stop talking about Joe Jackson. You reap what you sow.

intha916 said:

C'mon man, he's paid off one boy's family with $26m, eff a "It wouldn't look right" defence, if your innocent you don't do that. Then he continues to share his bedroom with younger boys despite all that... seems a sickness he can't control. Like I said before a lot of things screwed him up and as Rhonda says he needs help instead of always getting away with negative actions due to millions in the bank.

Essence said:

OK without turning this into the people's court I'll deal with this statement alone:

C'mon man, he's paid off one boy's family with $26m, eff a "It wouldn't look right" defence, if your innocent you don't do that."

Would a father that knew his son was molested take a pay off no matter how big? I for one would want jail time for anyone who molested my kid. E u need 2 read the facts about this case. The father was working the molestation angle way before he ever brought the allegations. Again, I agree that Mike should be have young boys sleep over but that still doesn't prove he molested anyone. Just proves he doesn't use very good judgment.

that should be "should not have young boys sleeping over"

intha916 said:

First of all I'd say a good father wouldn't let their child spend the night in bed with MJ or any man for that matter. After the damage is done however, having evidence of guilt great enough to gain millions of life changing dollars may prove an incentive greater than a legal trial with a man you can avoid in future (i.e. no chance of further sexual abuse). Money talks.

Essence said:

Money talks to those who live for money. And that raises the next question... to what length will such a person go to gain it. I'm not the pres of the MJ fan club or anythng but I still say most people don't know all the facts on this. Problem is those same people make comments like they have. It's really just sad to me that those types of charges are thrown around so carelessly.

Essence said:

Michael was prepared to fight in court. However, his lawyers advised him not to b'cos it was likely that due to his eccentricities the jury would already be biased against him. What choice did he have. You also have to remember that despite the settlement of the civil case the criminal investigation was persued for a further year and still the police turned up nothing. What does that tell you. It tells me that one little boy's father saw the $ sign and nothing more.

It's even more disturbing when you read how the father damn near threw the kid at mike. the dad even begged michael to sleep over at their house. he knew what he was trying to set up all along. the kid was from a broken home and from all accounts the mother was not down with what the father was doing. in the end it's mike's own fault for putting himself in that situation. like i said before, he needs somoene that can just tell him no. instead he is surround by a bunch of yes men and off the wall people like Liz Taylor.