Madonna born and raised in Rochester Hills, Michigan...she said as a teen, she'd come to Detroit City and hang out w/ all her friends, and she'd even go far to say that she was jealous at all the blk and latino kids, because they were great dancers and had alot of soul to them.

Madonna's best friends are Rosie O'Donnell and Nikki Harris (whose blk) and has been her back up singer and dancer since 1986.

Madonna has always had many Blk and Latino Dancers and Friends...in the business and has dated a few blk and latino guys in her day!

She dated Dennis Rodman, who was one of the famous blk men in her life.
Madonna has worked with many blk producers and directors.
Madonna starred in Girl 6 a blk movie...she also wrote an article about blk men in a magazine about how society has tried to always degrade them and bring them down!
Madonna also did the Like a prayer video w/ a blk man...she loves blks and ppl of color and she is Italian and damn proud of it and always represents DETROIT!

Madonna is sooo not a racist!!!

Ah but how do we really know? And why would we care either way? These are the questions that needs answering

ian said:

Really it's not relevant whether or not Madonna is racist. And no amount of rolling out her sexual history with black men is gonna make the case that she isn't.

What is for sure is that Madonna is an appropriator. A very skillful person who has successfully tapped into cultural phenomenon from the underground and delivering it to the mainstream. She did this with Freestyle (Latin club), house music, black gay culture, gay culture, black culture, rave culture, Indian culture, etc.

Whether or not her appropriations are respectful, true to form, authentic... that's debatable and open to opinion.

I wish that stupid Bell Hooks Post never made it here.Bell Hooks is a Wack SOB for Dissing Madonna like that.She is Madd because nobody wants Her like Madonna.Playa Hata.Madonna is not a Racist.I'm not the Biggest Madonna Fan but I have Music&Books on Her&I dig Her overall well.She has made Her Mark.only Haters of Madonna will take up for a Sorry Lame like Bell Hooks.

NPD313 said:

You do know there's another post about this that you could have added to instead of maiing a new one about the whole subject as your reply-rebuttal etc right?

mistermaxxx said:

Just because someone is critical of someone, especially a prominant media member, does not mean they are jealous..what's is up with that? And no, just because some may appreciate and agree with some certain aspects of ones critics or analyzers, does not mean they are haters of that person.

rdhull said:

look I dig your Knowledge&you are a Very Sharp Cat but this Shit is Wrong as Wrong can be.Bell Hooks is way off base on this.don't play Madonna like She is Pat Boone or Tom Jones it ain't that kind of party.I'm a Smart Black Man who knows that Madonna is cool people&ain't fronting.if I smell Hatin' going on I'm gonna call it like I read it period.those who don't like me defending Madonna can Kiss my Black Ass because as a Black Man I Can see that Madonna is cool People&that Bell Hooks is just trying to sell Wolf Tickets.

mistermaxxx said:

well that's that I guess but damn.

mistermaxxx said:

Damn!!!

From the Bell Hooks essay:

...it should come as no surprise that many of her fans are gay men, and that the majority of nonwhite men, particularly black men, are among that group. Jennie Livingston's film Paris Is Burning suggests that many black gay men, especially queens/divas, are as equally driven as Madonna by "blonde ambition." Madonna never lets her audience forget that whatever "look" she acquires is attained by hard work--"it ain't natural." And as Burchill comments in her chapter "Homosexual Girls": I have a friend who drives a cab and looks like a Marlboro Man but at night is the second best Jean Harlow I have ever seen. He summed up the kind of film star he adores, brutally and brilliantly, when he said, "I like actresses who look as if they've spent hours putting themselves together--and even then they don't look right."

rdhull said:

and bell hooks is mad that people dont want her like they want Madonna ...right?

I dig Madonna Period&Her Artistry&what She has done.I use to Have a Crush on Her when She was more Thick.but this Bell Hooks thing is Wack&Wrong to be aired period.Straight Guys such as myself dig Madonna.Haters gotta dig Up Silly Shit to Discredit Her Success&pull everything out to knock Her.I say BullSHIT!!

mistermaxxx said:

So there can never be a critical analysis of her or her work? regardless of what angle it comes from. Does everyone who does do it have to be like Camille Paglia who praised her etc? Now if it had been someone you didn't "dig", what would you say? Dont answer--I already know the answer.

okay...and what is your point?

Oh lawd, here we go...

rdhull said:

Basically. Good lawd.

NikkiDarling said:

Nikki thanks for the excerpt. Very appropos.

Madonna HOT DAMN!I Respect Madonna&don't Find Her Racist at all period.this thing has gotten way overblown because Bell Hooks didn't have nothing else better to do but Showcase Her Tabloid Ways&have some folks Suckered into Her Trash.

The "haters" nonsense has GOT TO STOP!! Seriously Maxxx, to base your argument on "she's just jealous!" is extraordinarily WEAK!!!

rdhull said:

I'm sayin'!!!

I can't believe you guys are even debating this!

But,since you guys wanna discuss Madonna,I'm gonna give you some REAL news on her...lol...



Her new CD 'Hollywood' is tentatively scheduled to be released on April 15.There have been many fake tracklists floating around,but this one seems to be the most likely...


"American Life" (the first single,it's an uptempo dance track)
"Die Another Day"
"Easy ride"
"Ecstatic Process"
"Hollywood" (the second single)
"I'm So Sorry"
"Love Profusion"
"Nobody Knows Me" (a hardcore rap inspired by Eminem)
"Nothing Fails"
***another song that is unknown at this time
***another song that is unknown at this time


The track "Ecstatic Process" is well over 12 minutes long,let's hope that Maddy doesn't shorten it for the album.


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DavidEye said:

Is this more Mirwais stuff?

NuPwrSoul said:

Yes,Mirwais produced a good portion of this new album.But they're saying that this CD is nothing like the last one ('Music').Supposedly,it's "less electronic" this time around.


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DavidEye said:

I hope so cuz I wasn't feeling that Mirwais stuff. The single "Music" was a cool jam and all, but the synthesized sounds and electronically bent vocals seemed to get pretty tired to me.

NuPwrSoul said:

Yeah,I've noticed that many fans had mixed feelings about the 'Music' CD,as well as her recent "Die Another Day" song.The general consensus among many fans seems to be that Madonna should get back to doing strong,melodic SONGS in which her voice is not electronically altered.In other words,stop doing techno music!

I seriously think Mister doesn't know who Bell Hooks is nor has he read any of her writings.

DavidEye said:

When has she ever sung without electronically enhanced vocals?



running from the bricks coming from mistermax and the madonna mafia

NuPwrSoul said:

LOL...I was thinking of songs like "Like A Prayer" and "Secret",where,for the most part,her voice takes center stage without all the electronic gimmicks that is so much a part of her current music.I really think those old songs are what fans want to hear more of (I'm not speaking of myself,because I love the new direction she is going in).


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