whitesockedfunk said:

vainandy said:

The period for The Jacksons between "Destiny", Michael Jackson's "Off The Wall", and "Triumph" was their absolute best ever. I'd take that period over anything Michael did for the rest of his career, even over the "Thriller" era which I always considered overrated.

I couldn't agree with you more!!!

And the nice thing about the albums between these two periods is that these albums came one after another, year after year. NOne of this 4 year gap stuff that started after Thriller and where the albums ended up sounding so sterile and contrived.

whatsgoingon said:

whitesockedfunk said:

I couldn't agree with you more!!!

And the nice thing about the albums between these two periods is that these albums came one after another, year after year. NOne of this 4 year gap stuff that started after Thriller and where the albums ended up sounding so sterile and contrived.

There was an album every year starting in 1969 until 1982, in some cases multi albums a year (plus solo records by Mike, Jermaine, & Jackie) during the Motown era.

MickyDolenz said:

whatsgoingon said:

And the nice thing about the albums between these two periods is that these albums came one after another, year after year. NOne of this 4 year gap stuff that started after Thriller and where the albums ended up sounding so sterile and contrived.

There was an album every year starting in 1969 until 1982, in some cases multi albums a year (plus solo records by Mike, Jermaine, & Jackie) during the Motown era.

You know what...I never noticed that until you all made that clear. Man these cats were prolific back in the day for 13 years or so. I guess Thriller broke the pace because of all of the momentum and success it was getting. Jermaine was putting out many albums on Motown at that point as well on his own, but all of the brothers eventually were just laying back in the cut and getting their cut on all of the noise Thriller was making a year or two after its release (Motown 25, Pepsi and the Victory fiasco). It helped Michael alot on his own and devastated him as well, but I can't help but wish he could've tour on his own as a solo artist.

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silverchild said:

MickyDolenz said:

There was an album every year starting in 1969 until 1982, in some cases multi albums a year (plus solo records by Mike, Jermaine, & Jackie) during the Motown era.

You know what...I never noticed that until you all made that clear. Man these cats were prolific back in the day for 13 years or so. I guess Thriller broke the pace because of all of the momentum and success it was getting. Jermaine was putting out many albums on Motown at that point as well on his own, but all of the brothers eventually were just laying back in the cut and getting their cut on all of the noise Thriller was making a year or two after its release (Motown 25, Pepsi and the Victory fiasco). It helped Michael alot on his own and devastated him as well, but I can't help but wish he could've tour on his own as a solo artist.

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I've heard there's over 250 unreleased J5 songs at Motown, including intrumental solo material from Tito. Motown worked many of their acts hard back then and they have lots of unreleased material. Remember Berry patterned Motown on the auto assembly plants in Detroit. The Funk Brothers and the Andantes must have been working non stop. Including Arista albums, Jermaine had consistantly released albums up until 1991.

MickyDolenz said:

silverchild said:

You know what...I never noticed that until you all made that clear. Man these cats were prolific back in the day for 13 years or so. I guess Thriller broke the pace because of all of the momentum and success it was getting. Jermaine was putting out many albums on Motown at that point as well on his own, but all of the brothers eventually were just laying back in the cut and getting their cut on all of the noise Thriller was making a year or two after its release (Motown 25, Pepsi and the Victory fiasco). It helped Michael alot on his own and devastated him as well, but I can't help but wish he could've tour on his own as a solo artist.

[Edited 1/8/11 13:21pm]

I've heard there's over 250 unreleased J5 songs at Motown, including intrumental solo material from Tito. Motown worked many of their acts hard back then and they have lots of unreleased material. Remember Berry patterned Motown on the auto assembly plants in Detroit. The Funk Brothers and the Andantes must have been working non stop. Including Arista albums, Jermaine had consistantly released albums up until 1991.

Jermaine also had 3 albums which were basically done and ready for released, but then cancled.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

MickyDolenz said:

I've heard there's over 250 unreleased J5 songs at Motown, including intrumental solo material from Tito. Motown worked many of their acts hard back then and they have lots of unreleased material. Remember Berry patterned Motown on the auto assembly plants in Detroit. The Funk Brothers and the Andantes must have been working non stop. Including Arista albums, Jermaine had consistantly released albums up until 1991.

Jermaine also had 3 albums which were basically done and ready for released, but then cancled.

Randy recorded a few songs in the late 70's, one was a duet with Janet.

Triumph is definitley the best, but Destiny is a close second. I'm much more of a solo MJ fan than with his brothers (although I really do love both) but I'd take those two albums over Off The Wall and Thriller anyday. In fact I wish they were his solo albums cut and paste a few essential Off The Wall/Thriller songs. But my all time favourite Jacksons song is Do What You Wanna. I love the self penned songs on the first two albums. I've said it before but Jackie, Randy and Michael are a dream song writing team together.

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MickyDolenz said:

whatsgoingon said:

And the nice thing about the albums between these two periods is that these albums came one after another, year after year. NOne of this 4 year gap stuff that started after Thriller and where the albums ended up sounding so sterile and contrived.

There was an album every year starting in 1969 until 1982, in some cases multi albums a year (plus solo records by Mike, Jermaine, & Jackie) during the Motown era.

In the span of 7 years, there were 20 J5 related albums

1969
Diana Ross Presents The Jackson 5

1970
ABC
Third Album
Christmas Album

1971
Maybe Tomorrow
Goin' Back To Indiana

The Jackson 5's Greatest Hits

1972
Got To Be There Michael Jackson
Lookin' Through The Windows
Jermaine Jermaine Jackson
Ben Michael Jackson


1973
Skywriter
Music And Me Michael Jackson
Come Into My Life Jermaine Jackson
In Japan!
Get It Together
Jackie Jackson Jackie Jackson

1974
Dancing Machine

1975
Forever, Michael Michael Jackson
Moving Violation

1976
My Name Is Jermaine Jermaine Jackson
Joyful Jukebox Music
The Jacksons

1977
Goin' Places
Feel The Fire Jermaine Jackson

1978
Frontiers Jermaine Jackson
Destiny


1979
Boogie compilation set
Off The Wall Michael Jackson
Let's Get Serious Michael Jackson


1980
Triumph
Jermaine (different album) Jermaine Jackson



1981
I Like Your Style Jermaine Jackson
The Jacksons...Live!



1982
Let Me Tickle Your Fancy Jermaine Jackson
E.T. Storybook Michael Jackson
Thriller Michael Jackson

bboy87 said:

MickyDolenz said:

There was an album every year starting in 1969 until 1982, in some cases multi albums a year (plus solo records by Mike, Jermaine, & Jackie) during the Motown era.

In the span of 7 years, there were 20 J5 related albums

Slackers! Between 1964-1970 James Brown released approximately 32 albums! That's even more impressive when you keep in mind that his recordings were limited circa 1964-1965 due to a disagreement with his record label.

Triumph, one of the funkiest albums ever.

MickyDolenz said:

whatsgoingon said:

And the nice thing about the albums between these two periods is that these albums came one after another, year after year. NOne of this 4 year gap stuff that started after Thriller and where the albums ended up sounding so sterile and contrived.

There was an album every year starting in 1969 until 1982, in some cases multi albums a year (plus solo records by Mike, Jermaine, & Jackie) during the Motown era.

Yep. In the first 13 years of his career MJ released up to 20 albums with his brothers and solo. In the last 20 years of his career he released 4!, and in my IMO they weren't even his best work. That's why vintage MJ in many people's mind will be MJ from the late 70s to early 80s, there is just so much more gems to choose from.

rialb said:

bboy87 said:

In the span of 7 years, there were 20 J5 related albums

Slackers! Between 1964-1970 James Brown released approximately 32 albums! That's even more impressive when you keep in mind that his recordings were limited circa 1964-1965 due to a disagreement with his record label.

All of them of completely new material? Artists didn't play back then!

Those 5 boys WORKED those 7 years. They recorded non stop, they toured non stop

In 1974, They recorded 3 albums (The unreleased Stevie album, Dancing Machine, and Michael recorded Forever Michael), toured South America, Asia, and the US, did weekly gigs in Las Vegas and Lake Tahoe AND did TV appearances

It's a wonder Michael and the others don't remember a lot of the songs from that period. I remember reading Smokey Robinson didn't remember many of the songs The Miracles released because they recorded so often and so many

October 1979

bboy87 said:

rialb said:

Slackers! Between 1964-1970 James Brown released approximately 32 albums! That's even more impressive when you keep in mind that his recordings were limited circa 1964-1965 due to a disagreement with his record label.

All of them of completely new material?

Most of them, not all of them are. I have quite a few, and some are live albums. But the majority of them are new material. It's amazing. And people though that Prince oversaturated thepublic with his music.

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smoothcriminal12 said:

bboy87 said:

All of them of completely new material?

Most of them, not all of them are. I have quite a few, and some are live albums. But the majority of them are new material. It's amazing. And people though that Prince oversaturated thepublic with his music.

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Yeah, there is probably a bit of overlap with the same versions of some songs appearing on different albums twice but for the most part they are original albums. The thing with James is that he didn't really start making proper albums until the '70s. Many of his '60s albums were just compilations of his singles but they weren't really greatest hits albums either.

1964

Pure Dynamite: Live At The Royal (live)

Showtime (new songs with fake applause to simulate a live album)

Grits and Soul (instrumental)

Out of Sight

1965

Papa's Got A Brand New Bag (a mix of new and old songs)

1966

I Got You (I Feel Good) (a mix of new and old songs)

JB Plays JB Today and Yesterday (instrumental)

Mighty Instrumentals (instrumental)

JB Plays New Breed (The Boo-Ga-Loo) (instrumental)

It's A Man's Man's Man's World (a mix of new and old songs)

Christmas Songs

Handful of Soul (instrumental)

1967

The James Brown Show (live)

Raw Soul

JB Plays The Real Thing (instrumental)

Live at the Garden (live)

Cold Sweat

1968

JB Presents His Show of Tomorrow (live, only two songs by JB, others by associated artists)

I Can't Stand Myself (When You Touch Me)

I Got The Feelin'

JB Plays Nothing But Soul (instrumental)

Live At the Apollo (double live)

Thinking About Little Willie John and a Few Nice Things

A Soulful Christmas

1969

Say It Loud, I'm Black and I'm Proud

Gettin' Down To It

The Popcorn (instrumental)

It's A Mother

1970

Ain't It Funky (instrumental)

Soul On Top

It's A New Day-Let A Man Come In

Sex Machine (double live)

Hey, America (Christmas album)

Even with some slight repetition on some of the albums that is an impressive amount of releases.

rialb said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Most of them, not all of them are. I have quite a few, and some are live albums. But the majority of them are new material. It's amazing. And people though that Prince oversaturated thepublic with his music.

[Edited 1/9/11 6:55am]

Yeah, there is probably a bit of overlap with the same versions of some songs appearing on different albums twice but for the most part they are original albums. The thing with James is that he didn't really start making proper albums until the '70s. Many of his '60s albums were just compilations of his singles but they weren't really greatest hits albums either.

1964

Pure Dynamite: Live At The Royal (live)

Showtime (new songs with fake applause to simulate a live album)

Grits and Soul (instrumental)

Out of Sight

1965

Papa's Got A Brand New Bag (a mix of new and old songs)

1966

I Got You (I Feel Good) (a mix of new and old songs)

JB Plays JB Today and Yesterday (instrumental)

Mighty Instrumentals (instrumental)

JB Plays New Breed (The Boo-Ga-Loo) (instrumental)

It's A Man's Man's Man's World (a mix of new and old songs)

Christmas Songs

Handful of Soul (instrumental)

1967

The James Brown Show (live)

Raw Soul

JB Plays The Real Thing (instrumental)

Live at the Garden (live)

Cold Sweat

1968

JB Presents His Show of Tomorrow (live, only two songs by JB, others by associated artists)

I Can't Stand Myself (When You Touch Me)

I Got The Feelin'

JB Plays Nothing But Soul (instrumental)

Live At the Apollo (double live)

Thinking About Little Willie John and a Few Nice Things

A Soulful Christmas

1969

Say It Loud, I'm Black and I'm Proud

Gettin' Down To It

The Popcorn (instrumental)

It's A Mother

1970

Ain't It Funky (instrumental)

Soul On Top

It's A New Day-Let A Man Come In

Sex Machine (double live)

Hey, America (Christmas album)

Even with some slight repetition on some of the albums that is an impressive amount of releases.

Yeah. I think he did that to keep the fire going in his early career so by the time he was able to afford it (as he did in the late 1960s), he could do whatever he wanted, hence why he joined the concept album phase of the '70s alongside Marvin, Stevie, Curtis, Donny and Isaac.

Ray Charles also had a lot of albums out, but for the most part in the '60s, his albums were based on themes of things. People were VERY prolific with their releases back in the day.

Triumph.

Victory is *ok* but I don't really consider it a Jacksons album. To me, it's more like a various artist album where all the artists happen to be related

'Destiny' then 'Triumph' second.

whatsgoingon said:

whitesockedfunk said:

I couldn't agree with you more!!!

And the nice thing about the albums between these two periods is that these albums came one after another, year after year. NOne of this 4 year gap stuff that started after Thriller and where the albums ended up sounding so sterile and contrived.

I think Michael Jackson's success was the reason that other artists stopped releasing an album a year and started waiting two, three, and four years to release another one. Labels got to where they would wear an album out and milk every single they could get out of it for profit.

Folks around here brag that Prince released an album almost every year but back then, everybody released an album every year....Prince, Rick James, Cameo, Lakeside, Con Funk Shun, The Barkays, and on and on and on. They would release two singles and if the album was extremely successful, maybe a third single but they basically kept right on recording and releasing each year. And you've got to remember, these artists weren't pushing buttons in a studio or using a sample of someone else's song for the structure of their song. They were coming up with original material and grooves of their own and playing with real instruments, in addition to touring each year to promote their new album. Just look how quick they could come up with new songs from scratch in their heads and record them in only a few months between tours each year. Artists were extremely talented and worked for their money back then. There's absolutely no reason these new artists wait so long to release a new album other than greed because they sure as hell don't have their own grooves and all they have to do is push buttons. Hell, they should be able to release a new album each week.

Nikademus said:

Victory is *ok* but I don't really consider it a Jacksons album. To me, it's more like a various artist album where all the artists happen to be related

I don't like the 'Victory' album.It seems like a project that Michael was dragged into.He seems detached from it.Notice that he recorded a duet with Mick Jagger when one of the brothers could have been used.He also worked with Freddie Mercury on a song for the album (which wasn't used).I get the feeling that he really didn't wanna record music with his brothers anymore.

For their part,the brothers were just trying to ride the coattails of Michael's extraordinary Thriller success.Notice that the chorus of "Body" is a rip-off of "Wanna Be Startin' Something".

vainandy said:

whatsgoingon said:

And the nice thing about the albums between these two periods is that these albums came one after another, year after year. NOne of this 4 year gap stuff that started after Thriller and where the albums ended up sounding so sterile and contrived.

I think Michael Jackson's success was the reason that other artists stopped releasing an album a year and started waiting two, three, and four years to release another one. Labels got to where they would wear an album out and milk every single they could get out of it for profit.

Folks around here brag that Prince released an album almost every year but back then, everybody released an album every year....Prince, Rick James, Cameo, Lakeside, Con Funk Shun, The Barkays, and on and on and on. They would release two singles and if the album was extremely successful, maybe a third single but they basically kept right on recording and releasing each year. And you've got to remember, these artists weren't pushing buttons in a studio or using a sample of someone else's song for the structure of their song. They were coming up with original material and grooves of their own and playing with real instruments, in addition to touring each year to promote their new album. Just look how quick they could come up with new songs from scratch in their heads and record them in only a few months between tours each year. Artists were extremely talented and worked for their money back then. There's absolutely no reason these new artists wait so long to release a new album other than greed because they sure as hell don't have their own grooves and all they have to do is push buttons. Hell, they should be able to release a new album each week.

SoulAlive said:

Nikademus said:

Victory is *ok* but I don't really consider it a Jacksons album. To me, it's more like a various artist album where all the artists happen to be related

I don't like the 'Victory' album.It seems like a project that Michael was dragged into.He seems detached from it.Notice that he recorded a duet with Mick Jagger when one of the brothers could have been used.He also worked with Freddie Mercury on a song for the album (which wasn't used).I get the feeling that he really didn't wanna record music with his brothers anymore.

For their part,the brothers were just trying to ride the coattails of Michael's extraordinary Thriller success.Notice that the chorus of "Body" is a rip-off of "Wanna Be Startin' Something".

Hence why I didn't wanna even give it a listen. I'm sorry, after hearing some tracks, I can't get fully behind the album. This wasn't made out of love and unity like Destiny and Triumph were. Who were they even trying to fool trying to put their own spin to the Thriller success (hell the video and sound of "Torture" ripped off "Beat It" and "Thriller"!).

SoulAlive said:

Nikademus said:

Victory is *ok* but I don't really consider it a Jacksons album. To me, it's more like a various artist album where all the artists happen to be related

I don't like the 'Victory' album.It seems like a project that Michael was dragged into.He seems detached from it.Notice that he recorded a duet with Mick Jagger when one of the brothers could have been used.He also worked with Freddie Mercury on a song for the album (which wasn't used).I get the feeling that he really didn't wanna record music with his brothers anymore.

For their part,the brothers were just trying to ride the coattails of Michael's extraordinary Thriller success.Notice that the chorus of "Body" is a rip-off of "Wanna Be Startin' Something".

I think it was originally gonna be a more collaborative effort then:

Thriller got bigger than expected

Jermaine rejoined the group

the tour got in the way

They started working on some of the songs as far back as 1982 and by May 1984, that's the best they could come up with?

bboy87 said:

SoulAlive said:

I don't like the 'Victory' album.It seems like a project that Michael was dragged into.He seems detached from it.Notice that he recorded a duet with Mick Jagger when one of the brothers could have been used.He also worked with Freddie Mercury on a song for the album (which wasn't used).I get the feeling that he really didn't wanna record music with his brothers anymore.

For their part,the brothers were just trying to ride the coattails of Michael's extraordinary Thriller success.Notice that the chorus of "Body" is a rip-off of "Wanna Be Startin' Something".

I think it was originally gonna be a more collaborative effort then:

Thriller got bigger than expected

Jermaine rejoined the group

the tour got in the way

They started working on some of the songs as far back as 1982 and by May 1984, that's the best they could come up with?

Like I said earlier, the album seemed rushed the way it was released.

Triumph is absolutely the most perfect album I've ever heard in my entire life. That is all.

Timmy84 said:

SoulAlive said:

I don't like the 'Victory' album.It seems like a project that Michael was dragged into.He seems detached from it.Notice that he recorded a duet with Mick Jagger when one of the brothers could have been used.He also worked with Freddie Mercury on a song for the album (which wasn't used).I get the feeling that he really didn't wanna record music with his brothers anymore.

For their part,the brothers were just trying to ride the coattails of Michael's extraordinary Thriller success.Notice that the chorus of "Body" is a rip-off of "Wanna Be Startin' Something".

Hence why I didn't wanna even give it a listen. I'm sorry, after hearing some tracks, I can't get fully behind the album. This wasn't made out of love and unity like Destiny and Triumph were. Who were they even trying to fool trying to put their own spin to the Thriller success (hell the video and sound of "Torture" ripped off "Beat It" and "Thriller"!).

I like torture but I agree with you , like I mention before it was a rush album and you can tell everyone wasn't into it.