bboy87 said:

sextonseven said:

I hear Randy (I think) calling out to Buffalo, New York City and then twice during the last song, Providence, R.I. -- buzzkill

Otherwise I really like the album.

Oh snap, I never heard that one

puts The Jacksons Live! back on iPod

I just listened to it on my iPod. Can you tell?

sextonseven said:

bboy87 said:

Oh snap, I never heard that one

puts The Jacksons Live! back on iPod

I just listened to it on my iPod. Can you tell?

I should've known when you had the details right then and there

daPrettyman said:

"She" should have been the lead single (though I didn't think the 1st single was that bad).

LA and Babyface hit (sounds like their other stuff)

I also liked "Private Affair."

Harley is cool too.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Harley is cool too.

"Thug Life" (aka Dealz ) mentioned this tune on the Jackson Family Dynasty show.

daPrettyman said:

Graycap23 said:

Yall are reach i n g ........on ths one.

It was a New Jack Swing-type project. It sounded like 1989. The team of writers and producers on that album were top notch for the time. It's no Triumph, but it damn sure ain't no Victory.

I'd consider "she" and "nothin' (that compares to you)" newjack, but the other uptempo's (which were either The Jacksons with Atlanta Zane Giles, Jermaine Jackson or Michael Omartian producing) were more of the pop/funk sound of 1987/1988. Very agressive (or prominant) drum thwacking, but not newjack per see. I really like "Maria" (which has great spanish guitar and harmonica solo) and "play it up", but some of it sounded a little dated next to the real newjack of Al b sure!, Guy, Bobby Brown et all.

I love the album though LOL. Even the title track. Whilst Michael Omartian's production on "if you only believe" is lovely aswell.

thesexofit said:

daPrettyman said:

It was a New Jack Swing-type project. It sounded like 1989. The team of writers and producers on that album were top notch for the time. It's no Triumph, but it damn sure ain't no Victory.

I'd consider "she" and "nothin' (that compares to you)" newjack, but the other uptempo's (which were either The Jacksons with Atlanta Zane Giles, Jermaine Jackson or Michael Omartian producing) were more of the pop/funk sound of 1987/1988. Very agressive (or prominant) drum thwacking, but not newjack per see. I really like "Maria" (which has great spanish guitar and harmonica solo) and "play it up", but some of it sounded a little dated next to the real newjack of Al b sure!, Guy, Bobby Brown et all.

I love the album though LOL. Even the title track. Whilst Michael Omartian's production on "if you only believe" is lovely aswell.

Those albums were released in mid 88 and 2300 Jackson Street in mid 89. Plus, I don't think they were goin for a New Jack sound, if they were Riley aand Gene would have produced the majority beside LA and Face and Omartian.

I love'em all..but if I had to pick...Triumph and Destiny. Especially Destiny....just can't get enough of it.

[Edited 1/6/11 22:45pm]

MickyDolenz said:

SoulAlive said:

I think 'Destiny' should have been the final album that Michael recorded with his brothers.'Off The Wall' was his declaration of independence. It turned him into a MAJOR solo superstar and there was no reason to look back.

The members of Genesis, Fleetwood Mac, & New Edition did side project albums, yet continued to record group albums. It is possible for Mike to have done both. Jermaine participated on the Victory album, and released a solo album at the same time that had some success.

True,but I just feel like,after Off The Wall,Michael didn't need his brothers anymore.I think there was alot of pressure for him to do those albums,but I think he was more interested in his solo career.He didn't even want to do the the 'Victory' album and tour but his mother convinced him to participate.Notice that he recorded "State Of Shock" with another artist (Mick Jagger) and not one of the brothers.Also,he didn't appear in the "Torture" and "Body" videos.I can tell that he wasn't interested in this project and rightfully so.

SoulAlive said:

MickyDolenz said:

The members of Genesis, Fleetwood Mac, & New Edition did side project albums, yet continued to record group albums. It is possible for Mike to have done both. Jermaine participated on the Victory album, and released a solo album at the same time that had some success.

True,but I just feel like,after Off The Wall,Michael didn't need his brothers anymore.I think there was alot of pressure for him to do those albums,but I think he was more interested in his solo career.He didn't even want to do the the 'Victory' album and tour but his mother convinced him to participate.Notice that he recorded "State Of Shock" with another artist (Mick Jagger) and not one of the brothers.Also,he didn't appear in the "Torture" and "Body" videos.I can tell that he wasn't interested in this project and rightfully so.

So you sayin' we didn't need "Triumph"

I rebuke you just for implying that

?uestlove posted his fantasy tracklisting if Jermaine had stayed with the group. He combined what he felt was the strongest tracks on Let's Get Serious and Triumph

Side A
Let's Get Serious
Where Are You Now
Lovely One
Your Ways
EveryBody

Side B
Heartbreak Hotel
You're Supposed To Keep Your Love For Me
Burning Hot
Give It Up
Feeling Free

bboy87 said:

SoulAlive said:

True,but I just feel like,after Off The Wall,Michael didn't need his brothers anymore.I think there was alot of pressure for him to do those albums,but I think he was more interested in his solo career.He didn't even want to do the the 'Victory' album and tour but his mother convinced him to participate.Notice that he recorded "State Of Shock" with another artist (Mick Jagger) and not one of the brothers.Also,he didn't appear in the "Torture" and "Body" videos.I can tell that he wasn't interested in this project and rightfully so.

Jermaine wasn't in the videos either. Jermaine wasn't originally on the Torture song. It was originally a duet with Jackie & Mike. Some of the brothers do sing background on State Of Shock (Woo! Woo! )

So you sayin' we didn't need "Triumph"

I rebuke you just for implying that

?uestlove posted his fantasy tracklisting if Jermaine had stayed with the group. He combined what he felt was the strongest tracks on Let's Get Serious and Triumph

Side A
Let's Get Serious
Where Are You Now
Lovely One
Your Ways
EveryBody

Side B
Heartbreak Hotel
You're Supposed To Keep Your Love For Me
Burning Hot
Give It Up
Feeling Free

If Jermaine remained in the group, would Randy have been made an official member? If not, then the songs he co-wrote might not have existed. Also, the brothers probably wouldn't have worked with Stevie, so the songs he did on Let's Get Serious wouldn't be there either.

MickyDolenz said:

bboy87 said:

So you sayin' we didn't need "Triumph"

I rebuke you just for implying that

?uestlove posted his fantasy tracklisting if Jermaine had stayed with the group. He combined what he felt was the strongest tracks on Let's Get Serious and Triumph

Side A
Let's Get Serious
Where Are You Now
Lovely One
Your Ways
EveryBody

Side B
Heartbreak Hotel
You're Supposed To Keep Your Love For Me
Burning Hot
Give It Up
Feeling Free

If Jermaine remained in the group, would Randy have been made an official member? If not, then the songs he co-wrote might not have existed. Also, the brothers probably wouldn't have worked with Stevie, so the songs he did on Let's Get Serious wouldn't be there either.

Exactly. I think fate had it in the cards that this was to happen. This part of the Jacksons story I don't want changed.

I can't even imagine it!

vainandy said:

The period for The Jacksons between "Destiny", Michael Jackson's "Off The Wall", and "Triumph" was their absolute best ever. I'd take that period over anything Michael did for the rest of his career, even over the "Thriller" era which I always considered overrated.

I couldn't agree with you more!!!

whitesockedfunk said:

vainandy said:

The period for The Jacksons between "Destiny", Michael Jackson's "Off The Wall", and "Triumph" was their absolute best ever. I'd take that period over anything Michael did for the rest of his career, even over the "Thriller" era which I always considered overrated.

I couldn't agree with you more!!!

Yeah the period between 1976-1982 was the period where Michael and his brothers just hit a mighty blow (including Mike's Off The Wall and Thriller)...you couldn't mess with them on a professional and artistic level during that time.

silverchild said:

whitesockedfunk said:

I couldn't agree with you more!!!

Yeah the period between 1976-1982 was the period where Michael and his brothers just hit a mighty blow (including Mike's Off The Wall and Thriller)...you couldn't mess with them on a professional and artistic level during that time.

The 1976-1982 period of the Jackson family is my all-time favorite period of them (Michael included).

Timmy84 said:

silverchild said:

Yeah the period between 1976-1982 was the period where Michael and his brothers just hit a mighty blow (including Mike's Off The Wall and Thriller)...you couldn't mess with them on a professional and artistic level during that time.

The 1976-1982 period of the Jackson family is my all-time favorite period of them (Michael included).

Agreed.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

thesexofit said:

I'd consider "she" and "nothin' (that compares to you)" newjack, but the other uptempo's (which were either The Jacksons with Atlanta Zane Giles, Jermaine Jackson or Michael Omartian producing) were more of the pop/funk sound of 1987/1988. Very agressive (or prominant) drum thwacking, but not newjack per see. I really like "Maria" (which has great spanish guitar and harmonica solo) and "play it up", but some of it sounded a little dated next to the real newjack of Al b sure!, Guy, Bobby Brown et all.

I love the album though LOL. Even the title track. Whilst Michael Omartian's production on "if you only believe" is lovely aswell.

Those albums were released in mid 88 and 2300 Jackson Street in mid 89. Plus, I don't think they were goin for a New Jack sound, if they were Riley aand Gene would have produced the majority beside LA and Face and Omartian.

For some reason, Private Affair sounds like it could have been an outtake from one of Jermaine's Arista albums. Didn't he work with Michael Omartian on some of those albums?

daPrettyman said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Those albums were released in mid 88 and 2300 Jackson Street in mid 89. Plus, I don't think they were goin for a New Jack sound, if they were Riley aand Gene would have produced the majority beside LA and Face and Omartian.

For some reason, Private Affair sounds like it could have been an outtake from one of Jermaine's Arista albums. Didn't he work with Michael Omartian on some of those albums?

Yes he did. Tell Me I'm Not Dreaming, Perfect, I Think It's Love and several other songs had Michael Omartian involvement.

going places is very underated imo also

MickyDolenz said:

daPrettyman said:

For some reason, Private Affair sounds like it could have been an outtake from one of Jermaine's Arista albums. Didn't he work with Michael Omartian on some of those albums?

Yes he did. Tell Me I'm Not Dreaming, Perfect, I Think It's Love and several other songs had Michael Omartian involvement.

He also wrote a song from New Edition which sounds like it would have fit on Victory.

Timmy84 said:

MickyDolenz said:

If Jermaine remained in the group, would Randy have been made an official member? If not, then the songs he co-wrote might not have existed. Also, the brothers probably wouldn't have worked with Stevie, so the songs he did on Let's Get Serious wouldn't be there either.

Exactly. I think fate had it in the cards that this was to happen. This part of the Jacksons story I don't want changed.

I can't even imagine it!

Preach , we was having this conversation in the Michael thread.

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

Exactly. I think fate had it in the cards that this was to happen. This part of the Jacksons story I don't want changed.

I can't even imagine it!

Preach , we was having this conversation in the Michael thread.

Also, if Jermaine went to Epic with the others, he wouldn't have been working in A&R at Motown, so would have never discovered Switch and DeBarge. I wonder would that have affected the career of James Ingram, since his brother Phillip was in Switch.

I still say that the Jacksons' albums on CBS doesn't compare to any of the Jackson 5 Motown albums.

I love some of the cuts on The Jacksons album, Going Places is a very underrated album. With the exception of Music's Taken Over, the songs on Going Places are very strong.

Triumph has some nice tunes on it also, but there's not a lot. Victory felt like it was just slapped together by the brothers, only 3 songs really stood out to me, Torture, Wait, and One More Chance. The rest of the album is garbage.

I never heard all of 2300 Jackson Street except for Nothin, 2300 Jackson St., and Art of Madness.

But overall, I think this album is the best Jackson effort...

HAPPYPERSON said:

going places is very underated imo also

I agree. The album has some weak spots, but a very enjoyable album overall. "Find Me A Girl" is my absolute fave on there! MJ's vocals are so smooth and soulful. I love it. "Eventhough You're Gone" is great as well. I listened to it a lot when MJ first passed, it made me sad but I smiled also listening to it. I think it's one of the Jacksons best.

[Edited 1/7/11 18:45pm]

The strongest songs off their "Goin Places" album are:

&

JabarR74 said:

The strongest songs off their "Goin Places" album are:

&

The self penned Do WHat You Wanna also.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

JabarR74 said:

The strongest songs off their "Goin Places" album are:

&

The self penned Do WHat You Wanna also.

Let's not forget these gems from that particular album:

Gamble & Huff definitely created magic when they were working with the Jackson brothers. Michael's vocals and the brothers' harmonies were as smooth as butter.

[Edited 1/7/11 22:15pm]

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

Exactly. I think fate had it in the cards that this was to happen. This part of the Jacksons story I don't want changed.

I can't even imagine it!

Preach , we was having this conversation in the Michael thread.

Destiny

these are two of my favorite off of triumph

HAPPYPERSON said:

these are two of my favorite off of triumph

Yup those album cuts on Triumph are great!! "Everybody" should have got the 12" long version treatment