SoulAlive said:

I'm surprised to see 'Triumph' getting so much love.I think 'Destiny' is their masterpiece.

The album cuts are a little stronger on Triumph IMO, that's what gives it the edge over Destiny.

2300 Jackson Street get hated on, it's not bad. Bunch on Jams like the Randy led "She" and Jackie and Jermaine on "Play It Up".

LittleBLUECorvette said:

2300 Jackson Street get hated on, it's not bad. Bunch on Jams like the Randy led "She" and Jackie and Jermaine on "Play It Up".

"She" is the gem on that album. Randy was so underrated as a vocalist and musician.

destiny hands down , though i have to admit i havent heard the first 2 and 2300 jackson street fully. but in case of the latter , i dont feel like owning that album.

and i dont like victory either, as an album . i like most individual songs

LittleBLUECorvette said:

2300 Jackson Street get hated on, it's not bad. Bunch on Jams like the Randy led "She" and Jackie and Jermaine on "Play It Up".

I agree. I don't get where the hate for this album comes from. Maybe it's because MJ wasn't the principle lead on the project? Either way, the album was decent and had a lot of good cuts on it.

motownlover said:

destiny hands down , though i have to admit i havent heard the first 2 and 2300 jackson street fully. but in case of the latter , i dont feel like owning that album.

and i dont like victory either, as an album . i like most individual songs

I highly recommend that u hear their self-titled album. It is really good.

daPrettyman said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

2300 Jackson Street get hated on, it's not bad. Bunch on Jams like the Randy led "She" and Jackie and Jermaine on "Play It Up".

I agree. I don't get where the hate for this album comes from. Maybe it's because MJ wasn't the principle lead on the project? Either way, the album was decent and had a lot of good cuts on it.

Yall are reach i n g ........on ths one.

Timmy84 said:

Easily their best.

Graycap23 said:

I love all of them except 2300 Jackson Street.

When I heard that horrible lead single...especially hearing those little brats singing "2300 Jackson Street" in the background, I didn't even waste my money on the album. I was afraid it might be a bunch of "Sesame Street" type shit.

Graycap23 said:

daPrettyman said:

I agree. I don't get where the hate for this album comes from. Maybe it's because MJ wasn't the principle lead on the project? Either way, the album was decent and had a lot of good cuts on it.

Yall are reach i n g ........on ths one.

It was a New Jack Swing-type project. It sounded like 1989. The team of writers and producers on that album were top notch for the time. It's no Triumph, but it damn sure ain't no Victory.

vainandy said:

Graycap23 said:

I love all of them except 2300 Jackson Street.

When I heard that horrible lead single...especially hearing those little brats singing "2300 Jackson Street" in the background, I didn't even waste my money on the album. I was afraid it might be a bunch of "Sesame Street" type shit.

SoulAlive said:

I'm surprised to see 'Triumph' getting so much love.I think 'Destiny' is their masterpiece.

"Destiny" is my second favorite. I think it's a lot of other people's also that chose "Triumph" as their favorite.

The period for The Jacksons between "Destiny", Michael Jackson's "Off The Wall", and "Triumph" was their absolute best ever. I'd take that period over anything Michael did for the rest of his career, even over the "Thriller" era which I always considered overrated.

"She" should have been the lead single (though I didn't think the 1st single was that bad).

LA and Babyface hit (sounds like their other stuff)

I also liked "Private Affair."

JackieBlue said:

SoulAlive said:

I'm surprised to see 'Triumph' getting so much love.I think 'Destiny' is their masterpiece.

Me too! I remember a time when Triumph was not so loved. It had good tracks but songs that were considered mediocre fillers. For many years I've seen/heard Destiny > Triumph from fans. Personally, when I first head it I was disappointed that it was not as strong but I grew to love it very much.

"Walk Right Now" and "Everybody" are the only two songs that I really like on 'Triumph'.The other songs are decent,but I don't go crazy over 'em.

"Heartbreak Hotel" is silly and I think they're crazy for changing the title to "This Place Hotel" That never made sense to me.

daPrettyman said:

"She" should have been the lead single (though I didn't think the 1st single was that bad).

LA and Babyface hit (sounds like their other stuff)

I also liked "Private Affair."

Worse than I remember.

Yikes..........

vainandy said:

SoulAlive said:

I'm surprised to see 'Triumph' getting so much love.I think 'Destiny' is their masterpiece.

"Destiny" is my second favorite. I think it's a lot of other people's also that chose "Triumph" as their favorite.

The period for The Jacksons between "Destiny", Michael Jackson's "Off The Wall", and "Triumph" was their absolute best ever. I'd take that period over anything Michael did for the rest of his career, even over the "Thriller" era which I always considered overrated.

I think 'Destiny' should have been the final album that Michael recorded with his brothers.'Off The Wall' was his declaration of independence.It turned him into a MAJOR solo superstar and there was no reason to look back.I also think the 'Victory' album and tour was a mistake for Michael.In 1984,nobody went to those shows to see the other brothers

SoulAlive said:

vainandy said:

"Destiny" is my second favorite. I think it's a lot of other people's also that chose "Triumph" as their favorite.

The period for The Jacksons between "Destiny", Michael Jackson's "Off The Wall", and "Triumph" was their absolute best ever. I'd take that period over anything Michael did for the rest of his career, even over the "Thriller" era which I always considered overrated.

I think 'Destiny' should have been the final album that Michael recorded with his brothers.'Off The Wall' was his declaration of independence.It turned him into a MAJOR solo superstar and there was no reason to look back.I also think the 'Victory' album and tour was a mistake for Michael.In 1984,nobody went to those shows to see the other brothers

Oh, I disagree. Even with the huge success of "Off The Wall", when he returned to work with his brothers on "Triumph", a lot of the songs were strong, funky, and jams. "Walk Right Now" is one of their best and "Lovely One" is my alltime favorite song from any of the Jackson family. Him being around and working with his brothers kept some funk in his bones.

When he broke away from his brothers even further and made "Thriller", he started becoming too diverse and actually trying to crossover which he did very successfully. He even started having guest stars on his albums and since "Thriller" became such a huge success, he kept trying to match that formula and each album he did after that got weaker and weaker and weaker trying to not only get that crossover pop success, but also trying to match that "Guiness Book of World Records success" like he had on "Thriller". Even when he returned to work with his brothers again on "Victory", the huge success of "Thriller" had already ruined him and I think that may be why the "Victory" album was as weak as it was....trying to match that huge success.

I like the "Thriller" album but I would have been happier if it had never happened because when you try to please too many groups of people, the music becomes weaker because not everyone is fortunate enough to have the excellent, wonderful, hard, and funky taste that I have so naturally a project to please them is going to be weaker than one just intended to please me. Also, another reason I wish "Thriller" never would have happened is because it became a blueprint for so many other R&B artists to try to match (attempts at crossover and major crossover success). I'm sure that might have been a contributing factor for a certain little miss goodie two shoes that came along a few years later to take it a step further and bring adult contemporary into the picture to get even more fans. I can tolerate mixing rock with R&B like Michael did but mixing adult contemporary is not to be tolerated.

Graycap23 said:

daPrettyman said:

"She" should have been the lead single (though I didn't think the 1st single was that bad).

LA and Babyface hit (sounds like their other stuff)

I also liked "Private Affair."

Worse than I remember.

Yikes..........

daPrettyman said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

2300 Jackson Street get hated on, it's not bad. Bunch on Jams like the Randy led "She" and Jackie and Jermaine on "Play It Up".

I agree. I don't get where the hate for this album comes from. Maybe it's because MJ wasn't the principle lead on the project? Either way, the album was decent and had a lot of good cuts on it.

Exactly! Without MJ it's not a complete Jacksons album

SoulAlive said:

I think 'Destiny' should have been the final album that Michael recorded with his brothers.'Off The Wall' was his declaration of independence. It turned him into a MAJOR solo superstar and there was no reason to look back.

The members of Genesis, Fleetwood Mac, & New Edition did side project albums, yet continued to record group albums. It is possible for Mike to have done both. Jermaine participated on the Victory album, and released a solo album at the same time that had some success.

silverchild said:

In my book, it is a split between Destiny and Triumph, but I have to give Destiny more of the edge. On that album, Michael was truly wearing his heart on his sleeve on the more slow-buring, reflective and mellow grooves. I've always looked at that album as Mike's true emancipation as well as a personal statement that seemed to be the enduring answer to the man Michael was going to become in the future. Lryically, it's probably their strongest and their tightest musically as well. Every song on that record hits me hard, even "Shake Your Body (Down To The Ground)", "All Night Dancin'", and "Blame It On The Boogie".

Triumph proved to be the culmination of everything that they learned and a testament to how far they could push their limits artistically. By that time, you just couldn't deny their skills as performers, producers or musicians. Michael was still riding the Off The Wall train high and the rest of the gang hit em hard once again. Truly an essential record...

Their earlier Epic-era records (1976 self-titled and Goin' Places) were both great records that showed their maturity and growth as artists. All the songs on The Jacksons were solid in my book and I can play that album from start to finish just as much as the peak albums Destiny and Triumph. Gamble and Huff really had the ball running on that album and Michael even proved that he could write one hell of a cut with "Blues Away", which even today haunts me as it was about depression. Goin' Places had some great cuts too, just not as cohesive as their previous one.

The rest Victory and 2300 Jackson St. were decent, but nowhere as trailblazing as the others. But the split for my favorite Jacksons album will always be Destiny and Triumph.

vainandy said:

SoulAlive said:

I think 'Destiny' should have been the final album that Michael recorded with his brothers.'Off The Wall' was his declaration of independence.It turned him into a MAJOR solo superstar and there was no reason to look back.I also think the 'Victory' album and tour was a mistake for Michael.In 1984,nobody went to those shows to see the other brothers

Oh, I disagree. Even with the huge success of "Off The Wall", when he returned to work with his brothers on "Triumph", a lot of the songs were strong, funky, and jams. "Walk Right Now" is one of their best and "Lovely One" is my alltime favorite song from any of the Jackson family. Him being around and working with his brothers kept some funk in his bones.

When he broke away from his brothers even further and made "Thriller", he started becoming too diverse and actually trying to crossover which he did very successfully. He even started having guest stars on his albums and since "Thriller" became such a huge success, he kept trying to match that formula and each album he did after that got weaker and weaker and weaker trying to not only get that crossover pop success, but also trying to match that "Guiness Book of World Records success" like he had on "Thriller". Even when he returned to work with his brothers again on "Victory", the huge success of "Thriller" had already ruined him and I think that may be why the "Victory" album was as weak as it was....trying to match that huge success.

I like the "Thriller" album but I would have been happier if it had never happened because when you try to please too many groups of people, the music becomes weaker because not everyone is fortunate enough to have the excellent, wonderful, hard, and funky taste that I have so naturally a project to please them is going to be weaker than one just intended to please me. Also, another reason I wish "Thriller" never would have happened is because it became a blueprint for so many other R&B artists to try to match (attempts at crossover and major crossover success). I'm sure that might have been a contributing factor for a certain little miss goodie two shoes that came along a few years later to take it a step further and bring adult contemporary into the picture to get even more fans. I can tolerate mixing rock with R&B like Michael did but mixing adult contemporary is not to be tolerated.

MJ was definetly funkier with the brothers. It was like his brothers kept the funk and soul alive within him.

Destiny in a heartbeat. I can listen to that album on repeat and am so enamored with most, if not all, of the tracks on it.

Marrk said:

sextonseven said:

I haven't heard the first and last albums in the original post. Of the ones in the middle, I like Triumph the most.

I'd like the live album a lot more if it was from one actual performance instead of compiled from several. In my mind, that spoils it a little for me.

It's only two!

I distinctly hear shout-outs to three different cities on the live album so it's compiled from at least three shows.

sextonseven said:

Marrk said:

It's only two!

I distinctly hear shout-outs to three different cities on the live album so it's compiled from at least three shows.

It was compiled from at least 3 or 4 shows then overdubbed. The album was mostly from the September 26 show in LA but some is from Buffalo New York, NYC, Atlanta, and I think Memphis

just1lousydime said:

Destiny in a heartbeat. I can listen to that album on repeat and am so enamored with most, if not all, of the tracks on it.

bboy87 said:

sextonseven said:

I distinctly hear shout-outs to three different cities on the live album so it's compiled from at least three shows.

It was compiled from at least 3 or 4 shows then overdubbed. The album was mostly from the September 26 show in LA but some is from Buffalo New York, NYC, Atlanta, and I think Memphis

I hear Randy (I think) calling out to Buffalo, New York City and then twice during the last song, Providence, R.I. -- buzzkill

Otherwise I really like the album.

sextonseven said:

bboy87 said:

It was compiled from at least 3 or 4 shows then overdubbed. The album was mostly from the September 26 show in LA but some is from Buffalo New York, NYC, Atlanta, and I think Memphis

I hear Randy (I think) calling out to Buffalo, New York City and then twice during the last song, Providence, R.I. -- buzzkill

Otherwise I really like the album.

Oh snap, I never heard that one

puts The Jacksons Live! back on iPod

sextonseven said:

Marrk said:

It's only two!

I distinctly hear shout-outs to three different cities on the live album so it's compiled from at least three shows.

Oh right, i'm not a yank. Hadn't noticed.