Girl4both said:

NDRU said:

eh, I have seen interviews with 2Pac & comments from him that made me question his sexuality

Whoa...why do you say that? I know 2pac acknowledged in an interview that he was raised by a woman and this caused him to have a more feminine side to him, understaning women more, etc.

I don't mean it as something bad, first of all, I'm not accusing him of being gay. I don't care except out of cusiosity as well as in light of stories like this where he may have been accusing someone else. But he seemed confused, honestly, in many different aspects of his life.

He praised women in Keep Your Head Up, and then he had M.O.B., and there were interviews where he was not exactly singing the praises of women. Plus, the obsession with another person's sexuality (Dre or Q, if the story is true) makes me wonder why he cares.

Watching an early interview with him was a comletely different story, a wide-eyed 2Pac talking about being an actor (he went to a school of the arts as a kid) and I know this is just judgemental thinking on my part, but it was of a completely different tone and demeanor than the mature rapper. I was watching with my girlfriend and we turned to each other at the same time and both said the same thing: "do you think maybe he was gay?"

Again, I don't care, except out of curiosity, it was just an impression I got.

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I don't think him expressing his feminine side was an indication of his sexuality AT ALL. I seriously don't believe that. I remembered I used to as a child but I don't think that anymore.

Timmy84 said:

I don't think him expressing his feminine side was an indication of his sexuality AT ALL. I seriously don't believe that. I remembered I used to as a child but I don't think that anymore.

I don't think so either, anymore than I think Prince is gay...or that I am gay!

With 2Pac, I thought it more from seeing him say misogynistic things as a grown man, then seeing him as a young man who had not put on the rough facade yet, and playing amateur psychologist, that maybe his position as a rapper did not allow him (he felt) to be honest with himself.

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TonyVanDam said:

Militant said:

I work closely with the Shakur family, and Quincy's son QD3 who worked a lot with Tupac is a very good friend of mine. 'Pac was also engaged to Quincy's daughter Kidada Jones when he died. And I'll tell you right now, that Quincy story is complete bullshit and Pac was not killed for breaking any sort of music industry code, he was taken out because he was seen as a threat due to his popularity and close ties with the Black Panthers. Do a little research of Afeni Shakur's role with the Panthers, Tupac's involvement with the New Afrikan Panthers, and a government organisation called COINTELPRO which historically goes after revolutionaries. Do a little research on Assata Shakur and why she's in hiding in Cuba and the US government still has a bounty on her head. If you want to know about why Pac was killed, that information will help you find your answers.

As for 'Dre? Yeah, 'Pac talked a lot of shit about Dre being gay after Dre had left Death Row, but most of it was just Pac talking smack due to his loyalty to Suge Knight. Please understand that they felt betrayed by Dr. Dre, who, in 1996, was so pissed off at how Death Row (the company he co-founded) was being ran, that he just upped and left and started his new label. Of course you don't disrespect people on Death Row like that so Pac and other artists made with the diss tracks, the exact same way Eazy-E had dissed Dre in 1991 after he left Ruthless Records accusing Eazy and Ruthless CEO Jerry Heller of not paying him properly for the work he was doing. They accused him of being a closet homosexual as well so there was nothing new about what 'Pac was saying in 1996, but the situations made both Eazy and Pac's lose impact because they were clearly coming from a place of anger and nothing more.

1. Professor Griff would strongly disagree with you.

It's common knowledge to some people that has been in the entertainment industry for decades that Quincy is a closet bisexual. If you're not "convince" that 2pac's story is true, just ask yourself how in the hell did Tevin Campbell get turn out. Also ask yourself why AND how Quincy was a factor in helping Will Smith & Queen Latifah jumpstart their acting careers.

2. I've heard the taped radio interview that 2pac gave years ago concerning his professional problems with Dr. Dre. The rumors & stories about Dre's bisexuality was nothing new. THOSE stories & rumors known since Dre's days with the World Class Wreckin' Crew.

I have to say that the rumors about Quincy are relatively new to me but those rumors about Dre...I've heard those before and am inclined to believe them. Didn't Miche'le or whatever her name was (mother of his child) say he was bi? She also has a kid with Suge which...man i dunno how she jumped out the frying pan and into the fire.

and yes Griff too says both Q and Dre are gay. He's got his YT vids out there too. now he has no investment in the music industry right? why would he say those things about Q and Dre? What's the motive for either he or Pac to make up such rumors, if they are indeed rumors. QD3 has left the gay rumors out of his Pac documentaries; out of respect for his dad no doubt.

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NDRU said:

Timmy84 said:

I don't think him expressing his feminine side was an indication of his sexuality AT ALL. I seriously don't believe that. I remembered I used to as a child but I don't think that anymore.

I don't think so either, anymore than I think Prince is gay...or that I am gay!

With 2Pac, I thought it more from seeing him say misogynistic things as a grown man, then seeing him as a young man who had not put on the rough facade yet, and playing amateur psychologist, that maybe his position as a rapper did not allow him (he felt) to be honest with himself.

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Mysogynistic rap sells more than rap praising women. Seriously, when is the last time you heard a rap song that wasn't referencing a woman's body parts, calling women unflattering names, or talkin' about sex and hos and money and the "streets". Pac was just doing what Biggie and Jay and all the rest of them were doing...GETTING PAID. You have to think about the primary rap audience...teen males. Negative lyrics appeal to them for some reason. Why do you think Em blew up so fast? He started out HARD and he grew more artistic over the years.

Also, remember Pac started out as a roadie and a backup dancer. Things just changed over the years. He grew up.

DesireeNevermind said:

NDRU said:

I don't think so either, anymore than I think Prince is gay...or that I am gay!

With 2Pac, I thought it more from seeing him say misogynistic things as a grown man, then seeing him as a young man who had not put on the rough facade yet, and playing amateur psychologist, that maybe his position as a rapper did not allow him (he felt) to be honest with himself.

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Mysogynistic rap sells more than rap praising women. Seriously, when is the last time you heard a rap song that wasn't referencing a woman's body parts, calling women unflattering names, or talkin' about sex and hos and money and the "streets". Pac was just doing what Biggie and Jay and all the rest of them were doing...GETTING PAID. You have to think about the primary rap audience...teen males. Negative lyrics appeal to them for some reason. Why do you think Em blew up so fast? He started out HARD and he grew more artistic over the years.

Also, remember Pac started out as a roadie and a backup dancer. Things just changed over the years. He grew up.

Exactly. Plus 'Pac was too complex to be simplistic, sure he did some things for money but don't we all do shit for money? 'Pac wasn't no different.

DesireeNevermind said:

NDRU said:

I don't think so either, anymore than I think Prince is gay...or that I am gay!

With 2Pac, I thought it more from seeing him say misogynistic things as a grown man, then seeing him as a young man who had not put on the rough facade yet, and playing amateur psychologist, that maybe his position as a rapper did not allow him (he felt) to be honest with himself.

[Edited 12/16/10 14:48pm]

Mysogynistic rap sells more than rap praising women. Seriously, when is the last time you heard a rap song that wasn't referencing a woman's body parts, calling women unflattering names, or talkin' about sex and hos and money and the "streets". Pac was just doing what Biggie and Jay and all the rest of them were doing...GETTING PAID. You have to think about the primary rap audience...teen males. Negative lyrics appeal to them for some reason. Why do you think Em blew up so fast? He started out HARD and he grew more artistic over the years.

Also, remember Pac started out as a roadie and a backup dancer. Things just changed over the years. He grew up.

that's all I'm saying. I think he was conflicted about who he was vs. who he thought he needed to be in terms of his image

What got Tupac killed was he and other black people talkin' shit, it's happening right now in the "hood" .

End of Story.

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[Edited 12/17/10 5:01am]

MickyDolenz said:

Didn't watch the video, but it sounds like Boule stories to me.

Militant said:

TonyVanDam said:

It's common knowledge to some people that has been in the entertainment industry for decades that Quincy is a closet bisexual. If you're not "convince" that 2pac's story is true, just ask yourself how in the hell did Tevin Campbell get turn out. Also ask yourself why AND how Quincy was a factor in helping Will Smith & Queen Latifah jumpstart their acting careers.

It's none of anyone's business what Quincy's sexuality is, my point is that I know every detail about Quincy and Tupac's relationship, how they first met, even the details of their first conversation. THIS story did not happen.

TonyVanDam said:

Everyone that has seen the documentary, Tupac Resurrection knows that 2pac already knew about the history of the original Illuminati years before his music career. He was living with one of his high school teachers & her husband for a while, where the couple had a home library of books about symbolism, world religions, and so forth.

And concerning the song Killuminati, 2pac added the "K" to the word "illuminati" because he wanted to kill off the fear factor associated with the stories AND rumors about secret societies.

You're talking about Leila Steinberg. She's another friend of mine. I interviewed her for my BBC documentary, as well a girl rapper she is working with named SKIM, a Korean girl who raps and sings and sounds a lot like Lauryn Hill. Yes, Leila hipped 'Pac to a lot of poetry, books, art and philosophy, and she still does that with many of the artists she takes under her wing like SKIM, a male white rapper named 10AK and of course one of my closest friends, Tupac's adopted brother Candyman 187. I will be seeing Leila sometime next year in LA, so if there's anything you want to know...

Regarding Illuminati, of course 'Pac was aware but it wasn't on his radar for anything more than a play on words and a symbolisation of repression. He had no interest in exposing the "actual" Illuminati in any form and I happen to know this for a fact. Anyone who thinks that was his intention missed the point of what he was expressing.

sorry you're wrong and simple minded.

TD3 said:

What got Tupac killed was he and other black people talkin' shit, it's happening right know in the "hood" .

End of Story.

That dude that he got into a fight with at the casino never got arrested right? Or rather he was never held responsible for Pac's death?

I'm just wondering if the cops ever tried to tie him to the car that pulled up along side Pac and Sug that night Pac got shot.

Always bothered me that Sug got out of that mess pretty much unharmed. Mofo didn't even need surgery or stitches yet Pac has all this serious damage to his vital organs.

DesireeNevermind said:

TD3 said:

What got Tupac killed was he and other black people talkin' shit, it's happening right know in the "hood" .

End of Story.

That dude that he got into a fight with at the casino never got arrested right? Or rather he was never held responsible for Pac's death?

I'm just wondering if the cops ever tried to tie him to the car that pulled up along side Pac and Sug that night Pac got shot.

Always bothered me that Sug got out of that mess pretty much unharmed. Mofo didn't even need surgery or stitches yet Pac has all this serious damage to his vital organs.

No I think he was shot and killed later on too.

TD3 said:

What got Tupac killed was he and other black people talkin' shit, it's happening right know in the "hood" .

End of Story.

It's a shame it had to end like that but something never adds up whenever I think about what happened that night.

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Timmy84 said:

TD3 said:

What got Tupac killed was he and other black people talkin' shit, it's happening right know in the "hood" .

End of Story.

It's a shame it had to end like that but something never adds up whenever I think about what happened that night.

[Edited 12/16/10 16:19pm]

It adds up to something, but what?

I don't mean to sound silly, but I think the reason this happened is out there, we just don't know what it is yet. And I'm not suggesting it was justified, only that it was definitely not random.

Unfortunately it actually makes a lot of sense to me. It seemed inevitible, and tragically shocking at the same time, much like Kurt Cobain.

Timmy84 said:

DesireeNevermind said:

That dude that he got into a fight with at the casino never got arrested right? Or rather he was never held responsible for Pac's death?

I'm just wondering if the cops ever tried to tie him to the car that pulled up along side Pac and Sug that night Pac got shot.

Always bothered me that Sug got out of that mess pretty much unharmed. Mofo didn't even need surgery or stitches yet Pac has all this serious damage to his vital organs.

No I think he was shot and killed later on too.

damn! ok that's makes this all the more suspicious.

shit, Pac's death got more dangling questions than Biggie and MJ's.

PoppyBros said:

Militant said:

You're talking about Leila Steinberg. She's another friend of mine. I interviewed her for my BBC documentary, as well a girl rapper she is working with named SKIM, a Korean girl who raps and sings and sounds a lot like Lauryn Hill. Yes, Leila hipped 'Pac to a lot of poetry, books, art and philosophy, and she still does that with many of the artists she takes under her wing like SKIM, a male white rapper named 10AK and of course one of my closest friends, Tupac's adopted brother Candyman 187. I will be seeing Leila sometime next year in LA, so if there's anything you want to know...

Regarding Illuminati, of course 'Pac was aware but it wasn't on his radar for anything more than a play on words and a symbolisation of repression. He had no interest in exposing the "actual" Illuminati in any form and I happen to know this for a fact. Anyone who thinks that was his intention missed the point of what he was expressing.

sorry you're wrong and simple minded.

Are you talking to me? What am I wrong about?

Timmy84 said:

DesireeNevermind said:

That dude that he got into a fight with at the casino never got arrested right? Or rather he was never held responsible for Pac's death?

I'm just wondering if the cops ever tried to tie him to the car that pulled up along side Pac and Sug that night Pac got shot.

Always bothered me that Sug got out of that mess pretty much unharmed. Mofo didn't even need surgery or stitches yet Pac has all this serious damage to his vital organs.

No I think he was shot and killed later on too.

Who, Suge Knight?

Militant said:

PoppyBros said:

sorry you're wrong and simple minded.

Are you talking to me? What am I wrong about?

Opps i didn't mean to say it like that, sorry.

angel345 said:

Timmy84 said:

No I think he was shot and killed later on too.

Who, Suge Knight?

No the guy that got beat up on the camera the night 'Pac died.

DesireeNevermind said:

TonyVanDam said:

1. Professor Griff would strongly disagree with you.

It's common knowledge to some people that has been in the entertainment industry for decades that Quincy is a closet bisexual. If you're not "convince" that 2pac's story is true, just ask yourself how in the hell did Tevin Campbell get turn out. Also ask yourself why AND how Quincy was a factor in helping Will Smith & Queen Latifah jumpstart their acting careers.

2. I've heard the taped radio interview that 2pac gave years ago concerning his professional problems with Dr. Dre. The rumors & stories about Dre's bisexuality was nothing new. THOSE stories & rumors known since Dre's days with the World Class Wreckin' Crew.

I have to say that the rumors about Quincy are relatively new to me but those rumors about Dre...I've heard those before and am inclined to believe them. Didn't Miche'le or whatever her name was (mother of his child) say he was bi? She also has a kid with Suge which...man i dunno how she jumped out the frying pan and into the fire.

and yes Griff too says both Q and Dre are gay. He's got his YT vids out there too. now he has no investment in the music industry right? why would he say those things about Q and Dre? What's the motive for either he or Pac to make up such rumors, if they are indeed rumors. QD3 has left the gay rumors out of his Pac documentaries; out of respect for his dad no doubt.

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I don't know if Michel'le was the first one to ever acknowledge Dr.Dre's bisexuality. But what I do is when Dre left Death Row Records to jumpstart Aftermath Entertainment, Michel'le did NOT go with her ex-boyfriend at all (despite that he was consider the "safest" option compare to Suge Knight).

DesireeNevermind said:

NDRU said:

I don't think so either, anymore than I think Prince is gay...or that I am gay!

With 2Pac, I thought it more from seeing him say misogynistic things as a grown man, then seeing him as a young man who had not put on the rough facade yet, and playing amateur psychologist, that maybe his position as a rapper did not allow him (he felt) to be honest with himself.

[Edited 12/16/10 14:48pm]

Mysogynistic rap sells more than rap praising women. Seriously, when is the last time you heard a rap song that wasn't referencing a woman's body parts, calling women unflattering names, or talkin' about sex and hos and money and the "streets". Pac was just doing what Biggie and Jay and all the rest of them were doing...GETTING PAID. You have to think about the primary rap audience...teen males. Negative lyrics appeal to them for some reason. Why do you think Em blew up so fast? He started out HARD and he grew more artistic over the years.

Also, remember Pac started out as a roadie and a backup dancer. Things just changed over the years. He grew up.

Remember when Dre said "gangsta rap was dead" and tried to go positive with Dr. Dre Presents The Aftermath?

Well sadly, THAT^ album sold a little less than The Chronic. And also, some fans were already on the Master P/No Limit Soliders bandwagon at that point. The only way Dre could sell records was to go back to making gangsta music.

You guys are some great fiction writers=], You should be in Hollywood writing dramas and scifi with all these great stories

The sad part about this thread is how much blatant heteronormative bigotry is rampant in the words written here. Look at you people discussing someone's sexuality like its a witch hunt. You should be ashamed for not only puttin someone's details on blast, but for giving 2 shits at all. Do something with your lives.

Spinlight said:

The sad part about this thread is how much blatant heteronormative bigotry is rampant in the words written here. Look at you people discussing someone's sexuality like its a witch hunt. You should be ashamed for not only puttin someone's details on blast, but for giving 2 shits at all. Do something with your lives.

There is no homophobia in this thread. For anything, some orgers are speaking out against the sexual hypocrites & blackmail that exist within the entertainment industry, especially in mainstream hip-hop/rap.

Spinlight said:

The sad part about this thread is how much blatant heteronormative bigotry is rampant in the words written here. Look at you people discussing someone's sexuality like its a witch hunt. You should be ashamed for not only puttin someone's details on blast, but for giving 2 shits at all. Do something with your lives.

I hate these threads in general (to each their own, but the Org does specialize in nonsensical threads discussing speculative celebrity rumors, or just whatever a poster feels like assuming about someone at the moment as if it's fact). But I really love how the OP found it necessary to add an all caps PLEASE READ in the title. Like it wasn't baited enough without that.

Interesting topic, I'm enjoying reading it as well. I don't care what anyone's sexual preference is though.

TonyVanDam said:

There is no homophobia in this thread. For anything, some orgers are speaking out against the sexual hypocrites & blackmail that exist within the entertainment industry, especially in mainstream hip-hop/rap.

Tony!!! not sure but this might be my first time agreeing with you! LOL

The problem with this thread is that people are getting wrapped up in people's sexual preference (hence the title of this thread) when in reality the topic should be sexual exploitation and manipulation in the music industry and Hollywood in general.

No disrespect to Girl4Both, but her point was dead on arrival when she put Dr Dre and Quincy Jones in the same category of discussion when it's two different topics altogether.

One, she talks about Dr Dre and hinting at his sexual preference based on a radio interview by 2pac when in reality, that was said in passing. I remember that interview, it can be heard on Youtube but the topic wasn't about Dr Dre being gay, it was about Dre getting all of this credit producing all of the Death Row cuts including Pac's album All Eyez On Me because folks assumed that Dre produced the entire album and Pac was force to co-sign and Pac (and Suge) got tired of it.

Use your common sense, if a rapper wanted to use anything against another rapper who they have beef with, what's the first thing they talk about, their sexuality. That's their trump card.

Dre used it against Eazy E in Dre Day. Eazy E used against Dre in Real Muthafuckin Gs. Cube used it against NWA with No Vaseline. And so on. You would have to be pretty dumb to think all of this shit is true. Now Pimp C was brought up, but Pimp C wasn't outing rappers who were gay, he was outing FAKE rappers, those rappers who called themselves hustlers and gangstas but they were college graduates, squares, simps, snitches, agents, cops and correctional officers (Rick Ross). He was exposing how fake the entire industry was.

Two, the Quincy Jones story. I heard that myself from Professor Griff at a lecture, and from Bobby Hemitt, this is different.

First of all, they never said that Q was bi or homosexual, they said that he was setting up "sex rings" in Hollywood. In other words, in order for you to get famous, you have to do something sexual. While I don't doubt for a second that these things exist, they do exist, they exist in the corporate world also, the story about Quincy is weak, very weak.

I'm not going into the story about Pac and Q because that's already been discussed and Militant shut that down with actual facts, and I reference the story of Rashida Jones who Pac wanted to meet to apologize for the comment he made in The Source about her father and her family but he ended up meeting Kidada and they fell in love. Pac's beef with Q was about interracial relations, not sexual rituals/favors.

Griff's story made no sense what so ever. Pac was already famous, he made movies and TV shows before he met Q.

As for Will Smith, it's true that Q produced the Bel Air show, but that doesn't mean Will Smith fucked Q to get it. Will Smith was (once again) already famous before he met Q. How come Benny Medina, Andy Borowitz, Debbie Allen, or NBC isn't mentioned. And Griff and Hemmit tried to imply that Smith had to whore himself or compromise his manhood by playing a gay man in Six Degrees of Separation. But Will Smith's first movie was Made in America with Whoopi Goldberg and Ted Danson. Same thing with LL Cool J, already famous before he met Q, already in the movies like Krush Groove, Wildcats, The Hard Way with Michael J Fox. Same thing with Queen Latifah, she was already famous, her acting debut was with Spike Lee, she never worked with Q. So all of these stories about Q and rapper's whoring themselves in get fame is bullshit.

The guys who do set up sex rings in Hollywood, you wouldn't know their names, and Professor Griff and Bobby Hemmit damn sure wouldn't know.

And again, this has nothing to do with homosexuality or bisexuality or DL (whatever that means), this is about sexual exploitation and manipulation, don't get it twisted.

[Edited 12/17/10 11:53am]

thatruth said:

The problem with this thread is that people are getting wrapped up in people's sexual preference (hence the title of this thread) when in reality the topic should be sexual exploitation and manipulation in the music industry and Hollywood in general.

No disrespect to Girl4Both, but her point was dead on arrival when she put Dr Dre and Quincy Jones in the same category of discussion when it's two different topics altogether.

One, she talks about Dr Dre and hinting at his sexual preference based on a radio interview by 2pac when in reality, that was said in passing. I remember that interview, it can be heard on Youtube but the topic wasn't about Dr Dre being gay, it was about Dre getting all of this credit producing all of the Death Row cuts including Pac's album All Eyez On Me because folks assumed that Dre produced the entire album and Pac was force to co-sign and Pac (and Suge) got tired of it.

Use you're common sense, if a rapper wanted to you anything against another rapper who they have beef with, what's the first thing they talk about, their sexuality. That's their trump card.

Dre used it against Eazy E in Dre Day. Eazy E used against Dre in Real Muthafuckin Gs. Cube used it against NWA with No Vaseline. And so on. You would have to be pretty dumb to think all of this shit is true. Now Pimp C was brought up, but Pimp C wasn't outing rappers who were gay, he was outing FAKE rappers, those rappers who called themselves hustlers and gangstas but they were college graduates, squares, simps, correctional officers (Rick Ross) . He was exposing how fake the entire industry was.

Two, the Quincy Jones story. I heard that myself from Professor Griff at a lecture, and from Bobby Hemitt, this is different.

First of all, they never said that Q was bi or homosexual, they said that he was setting up "sex rings" in Hollywood. In other words, in order for you to get famous, you have to do something sexual. While I don't doubt for a second that these things exist, they do exist, they exist in the corporate world also, the story about Quincy is weak, very weak.

I'm not going into the story about Pac and Q because that's already been discussed and Militant shut that down with actual facts, and I reference the story of Rashida Jones who Pac wanted to meet to apologize for the comment he made in The Source about her father and her family but he ended up meeting Kidada and they fell in love. Pac's beef with Q was about interracial relations, not sexual rituals/favors.

Griff's story made no sense what so ever. Pac was already famous, he made movies and TV shows before he met Q.

As for Will Smith, it's true that Q produced the Bel Air show, but that doesn't mean Will Smith fucked Q to get it. Will Smith was (once again) already famous before he met Q. How come Benny Medina, Andy Borowitz, Debbie Allen, or NBC isn't mentioned. And Griff and Hemmit tried to imply that Smith had to whore himself or compromise his manhood by playing a gay man in Six Degrees of Separation. But Will Smith's first movie was Made in America with Whoopi Goldberg and Ted Danson. Same thing with LL Cool J, already famous before he met Q, already in the movies like Krush Groove, Wildcats, The Hard Way with Michael J Fox. Same thing with Queen Latifah, she was already famous, her acting debut was with Spike Lee, she never worked with Q. So all of these stories about Q and rapper's whoring themselves in get fame is bullshit.

The guys who do set up sex rings in Hollywood, you wouldn't know their names, and Professor Griff and Bobby Hemmit damn sure wouldn't know.

And again, this has nothing to do with homosexuality or bisexuality or DL (whatever that means), this is about sexual exploitation and manipulation, don't get it twisted.

[Edited 12/17/10 10:37am]

Thread over!