thatruth said:

The problem with this thread is that people are getting wrapped up in people's sexual preference (hence the title of this thread) when in reality the topic should be sexual exploitation and manipulation in the music industry and Hollywood in general.

No disrespect to Girl4Both, but her point was dead on arrival when she put Dr Dre and Quincy Jones in the same category of discussion when it's two different topics altogether.

One, she talks about Dr Dre and hinting at his sexual preference based on a radio interview by 2pac when in reality, that was said in passing. I remember that interview, it can be heard on Youtube but the topic wasn't about Dr Dre being gay, it was about Dre getting all of this credit producing all of the Death Row cuts including Pac's album All Eyez On Me because folks assumed that Dre produced the entire album and Pac was force to co-sign and Pac (and Suge) got tired of it.

Use your common sense, if a rapper wanted to use anything against another rapper who they have beef with, what's the first thing they talk about, their sexuality. That's their trump card.

Dre used it against Eazy E in Dre Day. Eazy E used against Dre in Real Muthafuckin Gs. Cube used it against NWA with No Vaseline. And so on. You would have to be pretty dumb to think all of this shit is true. Now Pimp C was brought up, but Pimp C wasn't outing rappers who were gay, he was outing FAKE rappers, those rappers who called themselves hustlers and gangstas but they were college graduates, squares, simps, snitches, agents, cops and correctional officers (Rick Ross). He was exposing how fake the entire industry was.

Two, the Quincy Jones story. I heard that myself from Professor Griff at a lecture, and from Bobby Hemitt, this is different.

First of all, they never said that Q was bi or homosexual, they said that he was setting up "sex rings" in Hollywood. In other words, in order for you to get famous, you have to do something sexual. While I don't doubt for a second that these things exist, they do exist, they exist in the corporate world also, the story about Quincy is weak, very weak.

I'm not going into the story about Pac and Q because that's already been discussed and Militant shut that down with actual facts, and I reference the story of Rashida Jones who Pac wanted to meet to apologize for the comment he made in The Source about her father and her family but he ended up meeting Kidada and they fell in love. Pac's beef with Q was about interracial relations, not sexual rituals/favors.

Griff's story made no sense what so ever. Pac was already famous, he made movies and TV shows before he met Q.

As for Will Smith, it's true that Q produced the Bel Air show, but that doesn't mean Will Smith fucked Q to get it. Will Smith was (once again) already famous before he met Q. How come Benny Medina, Andy Borowitz, Debbie Allen, or NBC isn't mentioned. And Griff and Hemmit tried to imply that Smith had to whore himself or compromise his manhood by playing a gay man in Six Degrees of Separation. But Will Smith's first movie was Made in America with Whoopi Goldberg and Ted Danson. Same thing with LL Cool J, already famous before he met Q, already in the movies like Krush Groove, Wildcats, The Hard Way with Michael J Fox. Same thing with Queen Latifah, she was already famous, her acting debut was with Spike Lee, she never worked with Q. So all of these stories about Q and rapper's whoring themselves in get fame is bullshit.

The guys who do set up sex rings in Hollywood, you wouldn't know their names, and Professor Griff and Bobby Hemmit damn sure wouldn't know.

And again, this has nothing to do with homosexuality or bisexuality or DL (whatever that means), this is about sexual exploitation and manipulation, don't get it twisted.

[Edited 12/17/10 11:53am]

Ben Medina was brought up in post #29. If you ask me, there's too many conflicting resources going on here, including my own, but ok.

angel345 said:

thatruth said:

The problem with this thread is that people are getting wrapped up in people's sexual preference (hence the title of this thread) when in reality the topic should be sexual exploitation and manipulation in the music industry and Hollywood in general.

No disrespect to Girl4Both, but her point was dead on arrival when she put Dr Dre and Quincy Jones in the same category of discussion when it's two different topics altogether.

One, she talks about Dr Dre and hinting at his sexual preference based on a radio interview by 2pac when in reality, that was said in passing. I remember that interview, it can be heard on Youtube but the topic wasn't about Dr Dre being gay, it was about Dre getting all of this credit producing all of the Death Row cuts including Pac's album All Eyez On Me because folks assumed that Dre produced the entire album and Pac was force to co-sign and Pac (and Suge) got tired of it.

Use your common sense, if a rapper wanted to use anything against another rapper who they have beef with, what's the first thing they talk about, their sexuality. That's their trump card.

Dre used it against Eazy E in Dre Day. Eazy E used against Dre in Real Muthafuckin Gs. Cube used it against NWA with No Vaseline. And so on. You would have to be pretty dumb to think all of this shit is true. Now Pimp C was brought up, but Pimp C wasn't outing rappers who were gay, he was outing FAKE rappers, those rappers who called themselves hustlers and gangstas but they were college graduates, squares, simps, snitches, agents, cops and correctional officers (Rick Ross). He was exposing how fake the entire industry was.

Two, the Quincy Jones story. I heard that myself from Professor Griff at a lecture, and from Bobby Hemitt, this is different.

First of all, they never said that Q was bi or homosexual, they said that he was setting up "sex rings" in Hollywood. In other words, in order for you to get famous, you have to do something sexual. While I don't doubt for a second that these things exist, they do exist, they exist in the corporate world also, the story about Quincy is weak, very weak.

I'm not going into the story about Pac and Q because that's already been discussed and Militant shut that down with actual facts, and I reference the story of Rashida Jones who Pac wanted to meet to apologize for the comment he made in The Source about her father and her family but he ended up meeting Kidada and they fell in love. Pac's beef with Q was about interracial relations, not sexual rituals/favors.

Griff's story made no sense what so ever. Pac was already famous, he made movies and TV shows before he met Q.

As for Will Smith, it's true that Q produced the Bel Air show, but that doesn't mean Will Smith fucked Q to get it. Will Smith was (once again) already famous before he met Q. How come Benny Medina, Andy Borowitz, Debbie Allen, or NBC isn't mentioned. And Griff and Hemmit tried to imply that Smith had to whore himself or compromise his manhood by playing a gay man in Six Degrees of Separation. But Will Smith's first movie was Made in America with Whoopi Goldberg and Ted Danson. Same thing with LL Cool J, already famous before he met Q, already in the movies like Krush Groove, Wildcats, The Hard Way with Michael J Fox. Same thing with Queen Latifah, she was already famous, her acting debut was with Spike Lee, she never worked with Q. So all of these stories about Q and rapper's whoring themselves in get fame is bullshit.

The guys who do set up sex rings in Hollywood, you wouldn't know their names, and Professor Griff and Bobby Hemmit damn sure wouldn't know.

And again, this has nothing to do with homosexuality or bisexuality or DL (whatever that means), this is about sexual exploitation and manipulation, don't get it twisted.

[Edited 12/17/10 11:53am]

Ben Medina was brought up in post #29. If you ask me, there's too many conflicting resources going on here, including my own, but ok.

Explain this one: http://www.youtube.com/wa...RD8P3diPq0

angel345 said:

angel345 said:

Ben Medina was brought up in post #29. If you ask me, there's too many conflicting resources going on here, including my own, but ok.

Explain this one: http://www.youtube.com/wa...RD8P3diPq0

Listen to what Pimp C said and read what I post, he was exposing FAKE rappers. Being gay is one thing, he said there's nothing wrong with being gay, but rappers who are fronting, acting hard, saying they "get hoes" and all this, yet they're sleeping around with dudes, that fake. And the music industry condone this and put these fake rappers on, pimping these kids who buy their music thinking they're the realest.

Pimp C was exposing these rappers because they weren't what they said they were, it had nothing to do with being gay.

thatruth said:

angel345 said:

Explain this one: http://www.youtube.com/wa...RD8P3diPq0

Listen to what Pimp C said and read what I post, he was exposing FAKE rappers. Being gay is one thing, he said there's nothing wrong with being gay, but rappers who are fronting, acting hard, saying they "get hoes" and all this, yet they're sleeping around with dudes, that fake. And the music industry condone this and put these fake rappers on, pimping these kids who buy their music thinking they're the realest.

Pimp C was exposing these rappers because they weren't what they said they were, it had nothing to do with being gay.

TWO WORDS: sexual. hypocrisy.

THAT^ is exactly what it is. And I've said on many occasions in the org that some male rappers are a bunch of sexual hypocrites. How are they going to have a career off of promoting a homophobic and/or anti-gay attitude with hip-hop culture while they're seeing pre-ops trannies and/or other men on a DL (down low)? How can some straight male rapper promote homophobic rap lyrics while at the same time have some lesbian & bisexual women all in their music videos?

thatruth said:

angel345 said:

Explain this one: http://www.youtube.com/wa...RD8P3diPq0

Listen to what Pimp C said and read what I post, he was exposing FAKE rappers. Being gay is one thing, he said there's nothing wrong with being gay, but rappers who are fronting, acting hard, saying they "get hoes" and all this, yet they're sleeping around with dudes, that fake. And the music industry condone this and put these fake rappers on, pimping these kids who buy their music thinking they're the realest.

Pimp C was exposing these rappers because they weren't what they said they were, it had nothing to do with being gay.

Sorry, but you did not mention the sexual hypocrisy in your post. You've mentioned their true occupations. Pimp C mentioned the hypocrisy in both. To take it further, there's some write ups I saw where he outted Russel Simmons and others. However, you're right in saying Pimp C did not condemn their sexual lifestyle, but be real about it.

Off topic: Has anyone seen Dr. Dre's Monster headphones commercial?