I dont know if this is true or not, and its kinda old, but I was 14 at the time (1996) when tupac was murdered. This video that I listened to was saying that tupac broke an industry oath, and that is why (or one of the reasons) he was killed.

I was listening to a youtube video, and I heard a tape that 2pac was being recorded on, and he said that Dr. Dre couldnt make his mind up between pussy and dick. While he's upstairs eating and sucking, he's suppose to be producing my album. There was another encounter in which 2pac was a guest at one of Quincy Jones manison's, and 2pac wanted to get with one of his daughters. Quincy pulled him to the side, and asked if he could fuck him in the ass first. 2pac said that I dont get down like that. (WTF?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j51T4a3WjB8

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Didn't watch the video, but it sounds like Boule stories to me.

I work closely with the Shakur family, and Quincy's son QD3 who worked a lot with Tupac is a very good friend of mine. 'Pac was also engaged to Quincy's daughter Kidada Jones when he died. And I'll tell you right now, that Quincy story is complete bullshit and Pac was not killed for breaking any sort of music industry code, he was taken out because he was seen as a threat due to his popularity and close ties with the Black Panthers. Do a little research of Afeni Shakur's role with the Panthers, Tupac's involvement with the New Afrikan Panthers, and a government organisation called COINTELPRO which historically goes after revolutionaries. Do a little research on Assata Shakur and why she's in hiding in Cuba and the US government still has a bounty on her head. If you want to know about why Pac was killed, that information will help you find your answers.

As for 'Dre? Yeah, 'Pac talked a lot of shit about Dre being gay after Dre had left Death Row, but most of it was just Pac talking smack due to his loyalty to Suge Knight. Please understand that they felt betrayed by Dr. Dre, who, in 1996, was so pissed off at how Death Row (the company he co-founded) was being ran, that he just upped and left and started his new label. Of course you don't disrespect people on Death Row like that so Pac and other artists made with the diss tracks, the exact same way Eazy-E had dissed Dre in 1991 after he left Ruthless Records accusing Eazy and Ruthless CEO Jerry Heller of not paying him properly for the work he was doing. They accused him of being a closet homosexual as well so there was nothing new about what 'Pac was saying in 1996, but the situations made both Eazy and Pac's lose impact because they were clearly coming from a place of anger and nothing more.

Militant said:

I work closely with the Shakur family, and Quincy's son QD3 who worked a lot with Tupac is a very good friend of mine. 'Pac was also engaged to Quincy's daughter Kidada Jones when he died. And I'll tell you right now, that Quincy story is complete bullshit and Pac was not killed for breaking any sort of music industry code, he was taken out because he was seen as a threat due to his popularity and close ties with the Black Panthers. Do a little research of Afeni Shakur's role with the Panthers, Tupac's involvement with the New Afrikan Panthers, and a government organisation called COINTELPRO which historically goes after revolutionaries. Do a little research on Assata Shakur and why she's in hiding in Cuba and the US government still has a bounty on her head. If you want to know about why Pac was killed, that information will help you find your answers.

As for 'Dre? Yeah, 'Pac talked a lot of shit about Dre being gay after Dre had left Death Row, but most of it was just Pac talking smack due to his loyalty to Suge Knight. Please understand that they felt betrayed by Dr. Dre, who, in 1996, was so pissed off at how Death Row (the company he co-founded) was being ran, that he just upped and left and started his new label. Of course you don't disrespect people on Death Row like that so Pac and other artists made with the diss tracks, the exact same way Eazy-E had dissed Dre in 1991 after he left Ruthless Records accusing Eazy and Ruthless CEO Jerry Heller of not paying him properly for the work he was doing. They accused him of being a closet homosexual as well so there was nothing new about what 'Pac was saying in 1996, but the situations made both Eazy and Pac's lose impact because they were clearly coming from a place of anger and nothing more.

2Pac made a song named 'Killuminati'. Why?

angel345 said:

2Pac made a song named 'Killuminati'. Why?

Here's a good explanation:

Tupac was a religious fellow, and believed stongly in the experience of enlightenment. After reading The Prince by Machiavelli while in prison he found out about the enlightenment era society, Illuminati, a group centered around knowledge and enlightenment, that deviated from the theocratic and biased views of the church and government, known for many controversies and conspiracy theories.
Tupac had combined kill with illuminati to refer to gangs, fraternities born in the thug life, which engaged in criminal activities. Kill refferred to the violent nature of gang life, and Illuminati refferred to the enlightenment gained from experience, thus Killuminati.
It had no relation to any conspiracies, contrary to popular belief.

The thing that gets me about people who believe brother 'Pac was killed for exposing some sort of secret Illuminati business or conspiracy is thus = Tupac was incredibly direct and he spoke his mind. His agenda wasn't to expose any sort of semi-mythological centuries old freemason group controlling the world lol. Listen to his interviews. Read his lyrics. He spoke largely about black oppression from a system dominated by the white middle class. He spoke about the struggle of the youth and gangs. He was educated and article yet with street smarts.

There's no "secret" hidden message in his lyrics, that was never his style. If Pac wanted to say something - he said it. Ask his family and friends what they think about Illuminati rumors lol. Because I have. His late producer Johnny J was a close friend of mine and we spoke for hours. I've heard Tupac songs at Johnny's studio that only a handful of people on the planet ever heard and probably most will never hear. I talk to his family and friends at length about every aspect of his life. I made a 2 hour radio documentary about 'Pac for the BBC that was broadcast on the 13th September 2006.

So don't feed into the bullshit about Illuminati and what Pac meant with the word Killuminati. Hell, listen to that song itself and most of the answers are there. If you want to know about 'Pac and his mind state, read Nicolo Machiavelli's "The Prince" then educate yourself on the history of the Panthers, Afeni's trial in the 70's, Assata Shakur, Sekou Odinga, Mutulu Shakur, Fred Hampton and COINTELPRO.

Militant said:

I work closely with the Shakur family, and Quincy's son QD3 who worked a lot with Tupac is a very good friend of mine. 'Pac was also engaged to Quincy's daughter Kidada Jones when he died. And I'll tell you right now, that Quincy story is complete bullshit and Pac was not killed for breaking any sort of music industry code, he was taken out because he was seen as a threat due to his popularity and close ties with the Black Panthers. Do a little research of Afeni Shakur's role with the Panthers, Tupac's involvement with the New Afrikan Panthers, and a government organisation called COINTELPRO which historically goes after revolutionaries. Do a little research on Assata Shakur and why she's in hiding in Cuba and the US government still has a bounty on her head. If you want to know about why Pac was killed, that information will help you find your answers.

As for 'Dre? Yeah, 'Pac talked a lot of shit about Dre being gay after Dre had left Death Row, but most of it was just Pac talking smack due to his loyalty to Suge Knight. Please understand that they felt betrayed by Dr. Dre, who, in 1996, was so pissed off at how Death Row (the company he co-founded) was being ran, that he just upped and left and started his new label. Of course you don't disrespect people on Death Row like that so Pac and other artists made with the diss tracks, the exact same way Eazy-E had dissed Dre in 1991 after he left Ruthless Records accusing Eazy and Ruthless CEO Jerry Heller of not paying him properly for the work he was doing. They accused him of being a closet homosexual as well so there was nothing new about what 'Pac was saying in 1996, but the situations made both Eazy and Pac's lose impact because they were clearly coming from a place of anger and nothing more.

This.

Timmy84 said:

Militant said:

I work closely with the Shakur family, and Quincy's son QD3 who worked a lot with Tupac is a very good friend of mine. 'Pac was also engaged to Quincy's daughter Kidada Jones when he died. And I'll tell you right now, that Quincy story is complete bullshit and Pac was not killed for breaking any sort of music industry code, he was taken out because he was seen as a threat due to his popularity and close ties with the Black Panthers. Do a little research of Afeni Shakur's role with the Panthers, Tupac's involvement with the New Afrikan Panthers, and a government organisation called COINTELPRO which historically goes after revolutionaries. Do a little research on Assata Shakur and why she's in hiding in Cuba and the US government still has a bounty on her head. If you want to know about why Pac was killed, that information will help you find your answers.

As for 'Dre? Yeah, 'Pac talked a lot of shit about Dre being gay after Dre had left Death Row, but most of it was just Pac talking smack due to his loyalty to Suge Knight. Please understand that they felt betrayed by Dr. Dre, who, in 1996, was so pissed off at how Death Row (the company he co-founded) was being ran, that he just upped and left and started his new label. Of course you don't disrespect people on Death Row like that so Pac and other artists made with the diss tracks, the exact same way Eazy-E had dissed Dre in 1991 after he left Ruthless Records accusing Eazy and Ruthless CEO Jerry Heller of not paying him properly for the work he was doing. They accused him of being a closet homosexual as well so there was nothing new about what 'Pac was saying in 1996, but the situations made both Eazy and Pac's lose impact because they were clearly coming from a place of anger and nothing more.

This.

I've heard these story before, they came from Professor Griff, Bobby Hemmitt, and others. They said the same thing about Will Smith and Quincy Jones which I think is bullshit also. Where do they get this shit, who the hell knows. Those illuminati/boule/blood sacrifice stories always some like a bunch of crap to me and it does more harm than good.

First and foremost, if whoever is gay/bisexual, so what. There's a difference between being gay/bisexual, and Hollywood sexual fetishes/favors which totally existed dating back to the early 20th century Hollywood, and the exploitation of women and young girls by these Hollywood executives and casting directors. But to put Quincy Jones in that category is a bunch a bull, I don't care much for Q these days with his butchering classic songs, but to say that Q force guys to suck him off or perform anal sex to get ahead is pushing it.

I always said this, and I'll keep saying this, I believe Pac was killed because he was going to force a change in hip-hop of total independence and self-relience. Complete control meaning ownership of masters, publishing, and most importantly distribution. Death Row was the biggest record company at that time and they were expanding into an East Coast rap division, an R&B division, and video and film company. He needed Suge to be focus on the prize but Suge and other artists and producers weren't as focused as Pac was, they were too caught up in the fame, money, and women.

Now who do I believe order the hit on Pac's life, I don't know but I know who to start with and it isn't Quincy Jones or Suge Knight for that matter.

I never believed 'Pac was saying anything that was beyond what he usually did anyway. So I agree the stories are pure bullshit. I don't like Quincy's behavior that much but even he and his children confirmed that they didn't have problems with 'Pac.

Militant said:

I work closely with the Shakur family, and Quincy's son QD3 who worked a lot with Tupac is a very good friend of mine. 'Pac was also engaged to Quincy's daughter Kidada Jones when he died. And I'll tell you right now, that Quincy story is complete bullshit and Pac was not killed for breaking any sort of music industry code, he was taken out because he was seen as a threat due to his popularity and close ties with the Black Panthers. Do a little research of Afeni Shakur's role with the Panthers, Tupac's involvement with the New Afrikan Panthers, and a government organisation called COINTELPRO which historically goes after revolutionaries. Do a little research on Assata Shakur and why she's in hiding in Cuba and the US government still has a bounty on her head. If you want to know about why Pac was killed, that information will help you find your answers.

As for 'Dre? Yeah, 'Pac talked a lot of shit about Dre being gay after Dre had left Death Row, but most of it was just Pac talking smack due to his loyalty to Suge Knight. Please understand that they felt betrayed by Dr. Dre, who, in 1996, was so pissed off at how Death Row (the company he co-founded) was being ran, that he just upped and left and started his new label. Of course you don't disrespect people on Death Row like that so Pac and other artists made with the diss tracks, the exact same way Eazy-E had dissed Dre in 1991 after he left Ruthless Records accusing Eazy and Ruthless CEO Jerry Heller of not paying him properly for the work he was doing. They accused him of being a closet homosexual as well so there was nothing new about what 'Pac was saying in 1996, but the situations made both Eazy and Pac's lose impact because they were clearly coming from a place of anger and nothing more.

1. Professor Griff would strongly disagree with you.

It's common knowledge to some people that has been in the entertainment industry for decades that Quincy is a closet bisexual. If you're not "convince" that 2pac's story is true, just ask yourself how in the hell did Tevin Campbell get turn out. Also ask yourself why AND how Quincy was a factor in helping Will Smith & Queen Latifah jumpstart their acting careers.

2. I've heard the taped radio interview that 2pac gave years ago concerning his professional problems with Dr. Dre. The rumors & stories about Dre's bisexuality was nothing new. THOSE stories & rumors known since Dre's days with the World Class Wreckin' Crew.

Militant said:

angel345 said:

2Pac made a song named 'Killuminati'. Why?

Here's a good explanation:

Tupac was a religious fellow, and believed stongly in the experience of enlightenment. After reading The Prince by Machiavelli while in prison he found out about the enlightenment era society, Illuminati, a group centered around knowledge and enlightenment, that deviated from the theocratic and biased views of the church and government, known for many controversies and conspiracy theories.
Tupac had combined kill with illuminati to refer to gangs, fraternities born in the thug life, which engaged in criminal activities. Kill refferred to the violent nature of gang life, and Illuminati refferred to the enlightenment gained from experience, thus Killuminati.
It had no relation to any conspiracies, contrary to popular belief.

The thing that gets me about people who believe brother 'Pac was killed for exposing some sort of secret Illuminati business or conspiracy is thus = Tupac was incredibly direct and he spoke his mind. His agenda wasn't to expose any sort of semi-mythological centuries old freemason group controlling the world lol. Listen to his interviews. Read his lyrics. He spoke largely about black oppression from a system dominated by the white middle class. He spoke about the struggle of the youth and gangs. He was educated and article yet with street smarts.

There's no "secret" hidden message in his lyrics, that was never his style. If Pac wanted to say something - he said it. Ask his family and friends what they think about Illuminati rumors lol. Because I have. His late producer Johnny J was a close friend of mine and we spoke for hours. I've heard Tupac songs at Johnny's studio that only a handful of people on the planet ever heard and probably most will never hear. I talk to his family and friends at length about every aspect of his life. I made a 2 hour radio documentary about 'Pac for the BBC that was broadcast on the 13th September 2006.

So don't feed into the bullshit about Illuminati and what Pac meant with the word Killuminati. Hell, listen to that song itself and most of the answers are there. If you want to know about 'Pac and his mind state, read Nicolo Machiavelli's "The Prince" then educate yourself on the history of the Panthers, Afeni's trial in the 70's, Assata Shakur, Sekou Odinga, Mutulu Shakur, Fred Hampton and COINTELPRO.

Everyone that has seen the documentary, Tupac Resurrection knows that 2pac already knew about the history of the original Illuminati years before his music career. He was living with one of his high school teachers & her husband for a while, where the couple had a home library of books about symbolism, world religions, and so forth.

And concerning the song Killuminati, 2pac added the "K" to the word "illuminati" because he wanted to kill off the fear factor associated with the stories AND rumors about secret societies.

TonyVanDam said:

Everyone that has seen the documentary, Tupac Resurrection knows that 2pac already knew about the history of the original Illuminati years before his music career. He was living with one of his high school teachers & her husband for a while, where the couple had a home library of books about symbolism, world religions, and so forth.

And concerning the song Killuminati, 2pac added the "K" to the word "illuminati" because he wanted to kill off the fear factor associated with the stories AND rumors about secret societies.

You're talking about Leila Steinberg. She's another friend of mine. I interviewed her for my BBC documentary, as well a girl rapper she is working with named SKIM, a Korean girl who raps and sings and sounds a lot like Lauryn Hill. Yes, Leila hipped 'Pac to a lot of poetry, books, art and philosophy, and she still does that with many of the artists she takes under her wing like SKIM, a male white rapper named 10AK and of course one of my closest friends, Tupac's adopted brother Candyman 187. I will be seeing Leila sometime next year in LA, so if there's anything you want to know...

Regarding Illuminati, of course 'Pac was aware but it wasn't on his radar for anything more than a play on words and a symbolisation of repression. He had no interest in exposing the "actual" Illuminati in any form and I happen to know this for a fact. Anyone who thinks that was his intention missed the point of what he was expressing.

Militant said:

angel345 said:

2Pac made a song named 'Killuminati'. Why?

Here's a good explanation:

Tupac was a religious fellow, and believed stongly in the experience of enlightenment. After reading The Prince by Machiavelli while in prison he found out about the enlightenment era society, Illuminati, a group centered around knowledge and enlightenment, that deviated from the theocratic and biased views of the church and government, known for many controversies and conspiracy theories.
Tupac had combined kill with illuminati to refer to gangs, fraternities born in the thug life, which engaged in criminal activities. Kill refferred to the violent nature of gang life, and Illuminati refferred to the enlightenment gained from experience, thus Killuminati.
It had no relation to any conspiracies, contrary to popular belief.

The thing that gets me about people who believe brother 'Pac was killed for exposing some sort of secret Illuminati business or conspiracy is thus = Tupac was incredibly direct and he spoke his mind. His agenda wasn't to expose any sort of semi-mythological centuries old freemason group controlling the world lol. Listen to his interviews. Read his lyrics. He spoke largely about black oppression from a system dominated by the white middle class. He spoke about the struggle of the youth and gangs. He was educated and article yet with street smarts.

There's no "secret" hidden message in his lyrics, that was never his style. If Pac wanted to say something - he said it. Ask his family and friends what they think about Illuminati rumors lol. Because I have. His late producer Johnny J was a close friend of mine and we spoke for hours. I've heard Tupac songs at Johnny's studio that only a handful of people on the planet ever heard and probably most will never hear. I talk to his family and friends at length about every aspect of his life. I made a 2 hour radio documentary about 'Pac for the BBC that was broadcast on the 13th September 2006.

So don't feed into the bullshit about Illuminati and what Pac meant with the word Killuminati. Hell, listen to that song itself and most of the answers are there. If you want to know about 'Pac and his mind state, read Nicolo Machiavelli's "The Prince" then educate yourself on the history of the Panthers, Afeni's trial in the 70's, Assata Shakur, Sekou Odinga, Mutulu Shakur, Fred Hampton and COINTELPRO.

When I heard this one, I couldn cease from wondering:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...re=related Who were 'they'? MJ was talking about 'they' in "They Don't Really Care About Us" with Masonic symbolisms in his videos. However, there's nothing wrong with further research.

TonyVanDam said:

Militant said:

I work closely with the Shakur family, and Quincy's son QD3 who worked a lot with Tupac is a very good friend of mine. 'Pac was also engaged to Quincy's daughter Kidada Jones when he died. And I'll tell you right now, that Quincy story is complete bullshit and Pac was not killed for breaking any sort of music industry code, he was taken out because he was seen as a threat due to his popularity and close ties with the Black Panthers. Do a little research of Afeni Shakur's role with the Panthers, Tupac's involvement with the New Afrikan Panthers, and a government organisation called COINTELPRO which historically goes after revolutionaries. Do a little research on Assata Shakur and why she's in hiding in Cuba and the US government still has a bounty on her head. If you want to know about why Pac was killed, that information will help you find your answers.

As for 'Dre? Yeah, 'Pac talked a lot of shit about Dre being gay after Dre had left Death Row, but most of it was just Pac talking smack due to his loyalty to Suge Knight. Please understand that they felt betrayed by Dr. Dre, who, in 1996, was so pissed off at how Death Row (the company he co-founded) was being ran, that he just upped and left and started his new label. Of course you don't disrespect people on Death Row like that so Pac and other artists made with the diss tracks, the exact same way Eazy-E had dissed Dre in 1991 after he left Ruthless Records accusing Eazy and Ruthless CEO Jerry Heller of not paying him properly for the work he was doing. They accused him of being a closet homosexual as well so there was nothing new about what 'Pac was saying in 1996, but the situations made both Eazy and Pac's lose impact because they were clearly coming from a place of anger and nothing more.

1. Professor Griff would strongly disagree with you.

It's common knowledge to some people that has been in the entertainment industry for decades that Quincy is a closet bisexual. If you're not "convince" that 2pac's story is true, just ask yourself how in the hell did Tevin Campbell get turn out. Also ask yourself why AND how Quincy was a factor in helping Will Smith & Queen Latifah jumpstart their acting careers.

2. I've heard the taped radio interview that 2pac gave years ago concerning his professional problems with Dr. Dre. The rumors & stories about Dre's bisexuality was nothing new. THOSE stories & rumors known since Dre's days with the World Class Wreckin' Crew.

Besides Tupac, you had rappers like DMX and Pimp C, outing closeted homosexual so called thugs in the music business. DMX once said that the ones that got the most exposure in rap videos and airplay were the biggest rod suckers. There was also another video of someone calling 'Q" a booty bandit. I'll say this: if you have more than one person calling people out, then these rumors may have some truth to it. Again, something to check out.

Militant said:

TonyVanDam said:

It's common knowledge to some people that has been in the entertainment industry for decades that Quincy is a closet bisexual. If you're not "convince" that 2pac's story is true, just ask yourself how in the hell did Tevin Campbell get turn out. Also ask yourself why AND how Quincy was a factor in helping Will Smith & Queen Latifah jumpstart their acting careers.

It's none of anyone's business what Quincy's sexuality is, my point is that I know every detail about Quincy and Tupac's relationship, how they first met, even the details of their first conversation. THIS story did not happen.

Quincy's sexuality isn't a point. The point is if OR when Quincy have ever used his sexuality as a means to blackmail people (the same way that Chris Stokes used his bisexuality to blackmail certain members of Immature/IMx and/or B2K.).

TonyVanDam said:

Militant said:

It's none of anyone's business what Quincy's sexuality is, my point is that I know every detail about Quincy and Tupac's relationship, how they first met, even the details of their first conversation. THIS story did not happen.

Quincy's sexuality isn't a point. The point is if OR when Quincy have ever used his sexuality as a means to blackmail people (the same way that Chris Stokes used his bisexuality to blackmail certain members of Immature/IMx and/or B2K.).

Well, that's another topic really. I don't know. Maybe he did. But I know for damn sure that he would never dare to ask Tupac if he could fuck him. Pac would have stomped him out right then and there.

I will say this though - they say the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. What I mean by that is, as I've said, I know Quincy "QD3" Jones III very well. I've never met his dad, but if senior is anything like junior, then none of these rumors are true and older Quincy would certainly never blackmail anyone for sex. Besides which, he's a well known womanizer (QD3's mom was a Swedish supermodel) with a string of children from at least 4 different women......doesn't mean he can't still be bi obviously, but I've never caught that kinda vibe from him.

angel345 said:

TonyVanDam said:

1. Professor Griff would strongly disagree with you.

It's common knowledge to some people that has been in the entertainment industry for decades that Quincy is a closet bisexual. If you're not "convince" that 2pac's story is true, just ask yourself how in the hell did Tevin Campbell get turn out. Also ask yourself why AND how Quincy was a factor in helping Will Smith & Queen Latifah jumpstart their acting careers.

2. I've heard the taped radio interview that 2pac gave years ago concerning his professional problems with Dr. Dre. The rumors & stories about Dre's bisexuality was nothing new. THOSE stories & rumors known since Dre's days with the World Class Wreckin' Crew.

Besides Tupac, you had rappers like DMX and Pimp C, outing closeted homosexual so called thugs in the music business. DMX once said that the ones that got the most exposure in rap videos and airplay were the biggest rod suckers. There was also another video of someone calling 'Q" a booty bandit. I'll say this: if you have more than one person calling people out, then these rumors may have some truth to it. Again, something to check out.

You can also mention Katt Williams. He was once invited to an underground sex party where (to his horror) he had seen some people from the entertainment industry that were required to participate in multi-sexual acts.

TonyVanDam said:

angel345 said:

Besides Tupac, you had rappers like DMX and Pimp C, outing closeted homosexual so called thugs in the music business. DMX once said that the ones that got the most exposure in rap videos and airplay were the biggest rod suckers. There was also another video of someone calling 'Q" a booty bandit. I'll say this: if you have more than one person calling people out, then these rumors may have some truth to it. Again, something to check out.

You can also mention Katt Williams. He was once invited to an underground sex party where (to his horror) he had seen some people from the entertainment industry that were required to participate in multi-sexual acts.

My mother once had a co-worker who was a musician. She said the musician told her orgies were common in hollywood, and you would not believe who participates in them. He didn't name names.

If Quincy did say that to Tupac, it sounds like he wanted to mess with his head. Shock tactic, twisted sense of humor.

Maybe Anderson Cooper can get to the bottom of it and do an expose.

You see, this is why I don't participate in those illuminati stories, because the original post by Girl4both is that Tupac was killed because he broke the industry oath.

Yet we're talking about Quincy and discussing whether he likes dick or not.

Tupac wasn't killed because he refused to fuck Quincy Jones. I remember those days, Pac was pulling a lot of cards on a bunch of people, Nas, Biggy, Puffy, Chino XL, Donnie Simpson, Wendy Williams, Q-Tip, The Fugees, Ice Cube, etc., for being fake. He never mentioned Q.

Also, if I remember correctly, how Pac came into contact with Kidada was that he talk shit about Q because he was banging white women calling him a sell-out, and Rashida called Pac out. Pac went to a party and approach Kidada thinking it was Rashida to apologize, and they were together ever from that point. Q met Pac when they (Pac and Kidada) were already together.

Never was there a story that he had to go through Q to get at one of his daughters.

Also, somebody mention Tevin Campbell. Now were on some Quincy Jones is a pedophile type of shit.

Illuminati is just a smoke screen to throw you off of who are the real predators. If you want to know who the Illuminati is, just follow the money. Who controls the money? Who controls Hollywood and the music industry?

I believe there are Hollywood sex rituals and Quincy might be bisexual but that's not the point, the argument that Pac was killed because he broke an "industry oath" of the sexual orgies and favors is weak. Sexual favors in Hollywood is nothing brand new, it's as old as Hollywood itself. Watch the Godfather, that Hollywood producer was pimping out a little girl in exchange to make her famous.

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angel345 said:

TonyVanDam said:

You can also mention Katt Williams. He was once invited to an underground sex party where (to his horror) he had seen some people from the entertainment industry that were required to participate in multi-sexual acts.

My mother once had a co-worker who was a musician. She said the musician told her orgies were common in hollywood, and you would not believe who participates in them. He didn't name names.

I wonder if THAT'S^ how the rumors about Tom Cruise's questionable sexuality came about.

TonyVanDam said:

angel345 said:

My mother once had a co-worker who was a musician. She said the musician told her orgies were common in hollywood, and you would not believe who participates in them. He didn't name names.

I wonder if THAT'S^ how the rumors about Tom Cruise's questionable sexuality came about.

I wouldn't know, considering there are many musicians in the business, and this was told to her many years back. Again, he didn't name names, and to my understanding, musicians and people who work for celebrities sign a confidentiality clause agreement. Therefore, it's no telling who spread it.

Wow...this thread is great. Thank you for all your wonderful replies.

eh, I have seen interviews with 2Pac & comments from him that made me question his sexuality

NDRU said:

eh, I have seen interviews with 2Pac & comments from him that made me question his sexuality

Whoa...why do you say that? I know 2pac acknowledged in an interview that he was raised by a woman and this caused him to have a more feminine side to him, understaning women more, etc.

Graycap23 said:

co-sign (I should visit Non-Prince more often...it's better than True Hollywood Stories.)

Militant said:

angel345 said:

2Pac made a song named 'Killuminati'. Why?

Here's a good explanation:

Tupac was a religious fellow, and believed stongly in the experience of enlightenment. After reading The Prince by Machiavelli while in prison he found out about the enlightenment era society, Illuminati, a group centered around knowledge and enlightenment, that deviated from the theocratic and biased views of the church and government, known for many controversies and conspiracy theories.
Tupac had combined kill with illuminati to refer to gangs, fraternities born in the thug life, which engaged in criminal activities. Kill refferred to the violent nature of gang life, and Illuminati refferred to the enlightenment gained from experience, thus Killuminati.
It had no relation to any conspiracies, contrary to popular belief.

The thing that gets me about people who believe brother 'Pac was killed for exposing some sort of secret Illuminati business or conspiracy is thus = Tupac was incredibly direct and he spoke his mind. His agenda wasn't to expose any sort of semi-mythological centuries old freemason group controlling the world lol. Listen to his interviews. Read his lyrics. He spoke largely about black oppression from a system dominated by the white middle class. He spoke about the struggle of the youth and gangs. He was educated and article yet with street smarts.

There's no "secret" hidden message in his lyrics, that was never his style. If Pac wanted to say something - he said it. Ask his family and friends what they think about Illuminati rumors lol. Because I have. His late producer Johnny J was a close friend of mine and we spoke for hours. I've heard Tupac songs at Johnny's studio that only a handful of people on the planet ever heard and probably most will never hear. I talk to his family and friends at length about every aspect of his life. I made a 2 hour radio documentary about 'Pac for the BBC that was broadcast on the 13th September 2006.

So don't feed into the bullshit about Illuminati and what Pac meant with the word Killuminati. Hell, listen to that song itself and most of the answers are there. If you want to know about 'Pac and his mind state, read Nicolo Machiavelli's "The Prince" then educate yourself on the history of the Panthers, Afeni's trial in the 70's, Assata Shakur, Sekou Odinga, Mutulu Shakur, Fred Hampton and COINTELPRO.

Preach Militant, Preach!

Have you ever seen that documentary called, "The FBI War on Black America". It goes into depth on a number of issues, namely, Operation: COINTELPRO, the panthers' movement, Fred Hampton's murder, etc...

a few have said that Quincy and Dre's sexuality aren't the point. i would say for Dre, given the extreme misogyny and homophobia in hip hop he has contributed to by producing the "best" albums on which such songs (albeit great ones) appear would be the epitome of irony and hypocrisy to me. the "hardest" and "best" producer in hip hop history is himself a turd burglar. i heard suge knight outed him on howard stern, gave his boyfriend's name and everything. WWC pics from back in the day don't help. Producer friends of mine who've been at parties says he'd NEVER be hollin' at females.

about Quincy, its been said that Will Smith AND LL both got their tv shows and film careers popping, not BECAUSE Q, made them do anything, but that he was key and he and/or others involved (Benny Medina) got down that way and invited them to participate at some point. i've since heard LL likes Latino men. Will and Jada's "open marriage" is common knowledge. Clive Davis, the white Quincy (despite the personal music talent, lol) is a known Queen and look at some of those whom he's signed (Luther, Buster, Alicia, all at some point associated with gay rumors). i'm not a conspiracy theorist, I'm just sayin....where's there's smoke...

about Pac, to me he was the epitome of a double-minded man. brilliant, militant, activist pedigree, (everyone knows about Afeni, but Geronimo Pratt was his godfather!!), materialistic consumer, thug, etc. So unless he was going to revert to the "rebel of the Underground" who started his career on progressive hip hop BEFORE his Thug Life era, he was no longer threat, he'd become part of the problem and all of his "disciples" joined his thug life bandwagon instead of his revoluntionary one. Ask Mos Def, The Roots, Common, PE, etc., "positive", "socially conscious" hip hop etc., ESPECIALLY in the "old record industry" system, doesn't pay the bills. you'll go gold at best, maybe platinum (PE a couple times thanks to culturally vicarious, progressive college students, ie. non-black ones). Pac saw this and sold old, so i don't buy that he was taken out by the "powers that be" despite all he knew. when he abdicated his platform to become a thug, he capitulated to the system he hated.

the Last Poets said it best and it STILL holds true, ..."the revolution can't get past Saturday night"

(and Spike Lee's bamboozled captured this idea cinematically also). LASTLY, the "love of money is the root of all kinds of evil" (including sex orgies, career advancement, Cointelpro, etc.)