George must be all out of funds for drugs.

[Edited 12/14/10 15:17pm]

I've never cared for BEP since Fergie joined but i must admit

she sounds surprisingly good singing the hook here.

One other thing in GC's defense, I think, was that 1993 disc he realeased "Sample Some Of Disc--Sample Some Of DAT".

20 some tracks that were "public domain" for the price of the disc. Not the hottest samples in the history of The Mob, but still.....he ain't always been just about a dolla.

TonyVanDam said:

Cinnie said:

How many times as a producer did he alone slowly replay the Knee Deep bassline?

There, THAT^ is more honest!

Snoop album had it twice!

Timmy84 said:

Cinnie said:

Will.I.Am cleared "Not Just Knee Deep" on a 2006 song for Kelis "What's That Right Here". He samples often and always clears them, so I wouldn't be surprised if someone else did the remix of Shut Up or something.

Someone probably rushed it out and didn't think no one would notice. Too bad.

Well the writing credit on a remix doesn't change, but you still have to clear the sample.

Here's how Bill used it on Kelis: http://www.youtube.com/wa..._U#t=2m58s

eh...what song did Prince sample from Clinton?

DesireeNevermind said:

TonyVanDam said:

N.W.A.

Public Enemy

Ice Cube

Dr.Dre

Eazy-E

M.C. Ren

Snoop Dogg

Yo-Yo

Guy

Blackstreet

M.C. Hammer

De La Soul

Salt-N-Pepa

New Kids On The Block/NKOTB

Bell Biv Devoe

The Spice Girls

Digital Underground

En Vogue

2pac

Prince/

Spice-1

Too $hort

...........and shitloads of other artists from the world of rap/hip-hop & electronic dance sub-genres that are NOT accounted for like they need to be!

Did George not get paid by any of these artists for sampling his music and borrowing **cough** stealing his lyrics?

George Clinton's Atomic Dog is the most often used P-Funk sample of all times. He may had gotten paid as a songwriter, but almost never as a publishing rights owner. And lets not forget about the issue of master recordings.

Damn, when is the BEP not getting sued? LOLS. ]

Pr1nceQuik said:

eh...what song did Prince sample from Clinton?

"Hysterical" > Prince: "Sex"

"Atomic Dog" > Prince: "Style"

phunkdaddy said:

I've never cared for BEP since Fergie joined but i must admit

she sounds surprisingly good singing the hook here.

I've been trying to tell people that Elephunk was an album that is still worth buying. Even with the addition of Fergie, there was still some balance left.

[img:$uid]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a1/Elephunk.jpg/220px-Elephunk.jpg[/img:$uid]

squirrelgrease said:

Pr1nceQuik said:

eh...what song did Prince sample from Clinton?

"Hysterical" > Prince: "Sex"

"Atomic Dog" > Prince: "Style"

Even Prince can't resist sampling the P-Funk.

From George Clinton's Facebook:

George Clinton vs Black Eyed Peas - don't believe the hype. We are writing our blog right now and will announce when the real story will be available on line. You can believe the story is a lot different than what you are hearing.

nursev said:

TonyVanDam said:

squirrelgrease said:

"Hysterical" > Prince: "Sex"

"Atomic Dog" > Prince: "Style"

Even Prince can't resist sampling the P-Funk.

Good Ole Music > Sex in the summer

Get 'em George!

Identity said:

According to the complaint, Clinton became aware of the Black Eyed Peas' use of his old song when a record producer for the band came to him in 1999 and requested a license for a new remix of "Shut Up."

Clinton says he rejected the request, not knowing at the time that his song had already been sampled by the band in a prior version. He says the sample was used by the Peas anyway on the album The E.N.D, which was nominated in 2009 for a an album of the year Grammy.

The timeline on this is really confusing. Was the remix to 2003's Shut Up actually the 1999 original? If so, how is Fergie on it?

What song from 2009's The E.N.D uses "Knee Deep"?

TonyVanDam said:

phunkdaddy said:

I've never cared for BEP since Fergie joined but i must admit

she sounds surprisingly good singing the hook here.

I've been trying to tell people that Elephunk was an album that is still worth buying. Even with the addition of Fergie, there was still some balance left.

[img:$uid]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a1/Elephunk.jpg/220px-Elephunk.jpg[/img:$uid]

I worked in an HMV the summer this album came out, and I got awfully sick of it. It sorta ruined Beyonce's debut for me too!

Cinnie said:

Identity said:

According to the complaint, Clinton became aware of the Black Eyed Peas' use of his old song when a record producer for the band came to him in 1999 and requested a license for a new remix of "Shut Up."

Clinton says he rejected the request, not knowing at the time that his song had already been sampled by the band in a prior version. He says the sample was used by the Peas anyway on the album The E.N.D, which was nominated in 2009 for a an album of the year Grammy.

The timeline on this is really confusing. Was the remix to 2003's Shut Up actually the 1999 original? If so, how is Fergie on it?

What song from 2009's The E.N.D uses "Knee Deep"?

Ohhh George rejected their request to use it on The END without knowing Shut Up Remix already used it too.

Damn, this is sloppy

Cinnie said:

Cinnie said:

The timeline on this is really confusing. Was the remix to 2003's Shut Up actually the 1999 original? If so, how is Fergie on it?

What song from 2009's The E.N.D uses "Knee Deep"?

Ohhh George rejected their request to use it on The END without knowing Shut Up Remix already used it too.

Damn, this is sloppy

Now you're getting it.

PDogz said:

From George Clinton's Facebook:

George Clinton vs Black Eyed Peas - don't believe the hype. We are writing our blog right now and will announce when the real story will be available on line. You can believe the story is a lot different than what you are hearing.

Oh OK... thanks for posting that. Must be against the remixer, who knows?

squirrelgrease said:

Pr1nceQuik said:

eh...what song did Prince sample from Clinton?

"Hysterical" > Prince: "Sex"

"Atomic Dog" > Prince: "Style"

thanx for that. Cool.

TonyVanDam said:

squirrelgrease said:

"Hysterical" > Prince: "Sex"

"Atomic Dog" > Prince: "Style"

Even Prince can't resist sampling the P-Funk.

I'd be surprised if he DIDN'T pay royalties already. Wasn't Prince trying to get George Clinton a paycheck at the time?

PurpleJedi said:

TonyVanDam said:

Even Prince can't resist sampling the P-Funk.

I'd be surprised if he DIDN'T pay royalties already. Wasn't Prince trying to get George Clinton a paycheck at the time?

Clinton has also sampled Prince, so who knows how those samples were bartered.

JamFanHot said:

One other thing in GC's defense, I think, was that 1993 disc he realeased "Sample Some Of Disc--Sample Some Of DAT".

20 some tracks that were "public domain" for the price of the disc. Not the hottest samples in the history of The Mob, but still.....he ain't always been just about a dolla.

WRONG. You had to write to him and pay for clearance in order to use the tracks on the CD.

Mong said:

JamFanHot said:

One other thing in GC's defense, I think, was that 1993 disc he realeased "Sample Some Of Disc--Sample Some Of DAT".

20 some tracks that were "public domain" for the price of the disc. Not the hottest samples in the history of The Mob, but still.....he ain't always been just about a dolla.

WRONG. You had to write to him and pay for clearance in order to use the tracks on the CD.

From The Motherpage:

An artist can use a sample getting a license, which is free. Then, the Clinton camp gets paid based on however much you might make from the sample.

Mong said:

JamFanHot said:

One other thing in GC's defense, I think, was that 1993 disc he realeased "Sample Some Of Disc--Sample Some Of DAT".

20 some tracks that were "public domain" for the price of the disc. Not the hottest samples in the history of The Mob, but still.....he ain't always been just about a dolla.

WRONG. You had to write to him and pay for clearance in order to use the tracks on the CD.

Yep...I stand corrected....Mong's right. I seem to remember them giving up the early ambitions for royalties from these (seemed dumb to me....what advantge over any other tracks he ever released?...esp being hardly their best work on these songs)..but he hung in there & didn't reap much reward apparently.

An experiment in IP that failed (the concept of releasing "sample discs" with largely the same licensure & payout headaches as any other sample).

JamFanHot said:

Mong said:

WRONG. You had to write to him and pay for clearance in order to use the tracks on the CD.

Yep...I stand corrected....Mong's right.

Not exactly.

Cinnie said:

TonyVanDam said:

Dr.Dre

How many times as a producer did he alone replay the Knee Deep bassline?

How many times did Dre instruct his boyz to replay the knee deep bassline?

(oh shit!)

PDogz said:

JamFanHot said:

Yep...I stand corrected....Mong's right.

Not exactly.

Well, he was right wbout them not being public domain (an idea that was bandied about in the mid-90's).

It's still the same problem... and still the same debate. What should be free?..and how to fairly compensate the artist?

Giving up on licencing fees but NOT royalties added little to the historical debate..and here we are with lawsuits.

Even if the current system IS fair, you'll always have those who fail to pay...and would STILL have lawsuits.

Samples are a mess. I think I'd stay away from 'em if I were a major market player.

JamFanHot said:

PDogz said:

Not exactly.

Well, he was right wbout them not being public domain (an idea that was bandied about in the mid-90's).

It's still the same problem... and still the same debate. What should be free?..and how to fairly compensate the artist?

Giving up on licencing fees but NOT royalties added little to the historical debate..and here we are with lawsuits.

Even if the current system IS fair, you'll always have those who fail to pay...and would STILL have lawsuits.

Samples are a mess. I think I'd stay away from 'em if I were a major market player.

I believe both of you had a piece of the actual concept.