midiscover said:

errant said:

there were problems throughout the RN and janet. tours as well, though.

Eh no. The RN tour was a successful tour. She had a few health problems but no ticket issues. The same with the janet tour which did very well.

I don't remember hearing about ticket issues either.

All I kept seeing from the media I got prior to computers ('80s, '90s) is that "Janet Jackson does a killer performance" or something to that degree. Never ticket issues. Not even during the "Velvet Rope" one.

errant said:

VoicesCarry said:

It's her only tour to experience significant issues. She was stupid to cancel the European leg of All For You, true, but The Velvet Rope had one cancellation of 120 shows.

there were problems throughout the RN and janet. tours as well, though.

Rhythm Nation had 117 dates. Of those, four dates in succession were cancelled due to illness (she actually performed a few songs at one of the shows, then fainted on stage) and two were postponed.

janet. had 123 dates. Of those, one date was cancelled because the venue wouldn't let her use the chemicals and pyrotechnics for the production. I think a few were postponed as well - one when she collapsed about an hour into the show.

Do you really consider those problems when an artist is performing 120 shows? Worldwide tours are grueling experiences and a few cancellations or postponements are to be expected.

^ I think people take that for granted. Plus Janet was working herself to death during those tours. So it had to be hard on her body. She definitely wasn't ready to tour in 2008 but she tried for her fans.

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Timmy84 said:

I think she's slowly planning a successful comeback. I see what she's doing...starting with the films, then with the book, now with this tour. I'm sure she'll do real well this time around. She was going through some SHIT between 2004 and 2009.

A successful comeback? Starring in Tyler Perry movies isn't doing shit for her. If she wants a successful comeback Janet needs to re-invent herself which she hasn't done for over 10 years now. The problem '04-'09 is that she didn't know what the problem was plus she surrounded herself with the wrong people. Even in 2010 there wasn't a drastic change in her career from 2009. 'Nothing' did nothing.

Timmy84 said:

midiscover said:

Eh no. The RN tour was a successful tour. She had a few health problems but no ticket issues. The same with the janet tour which did very well.

I don't remember hearing about ticket issues either.

All I kept seeing from the media I got prior to computers ('80s, '90s) is that "Janet Jackson does a killer performance" or something to that degree. Never ticket issues. Not even during the "Velvet Rope" one.

No, only one date was cancelled (and that was an international date) for TVR tour.

VoicesCarry said:

Timmy84 said:

I don't remember hearing about ticket issues either.

All I kept seeing from the media I got prior to computers ('80s, '90s) is that "Janet Jackson does a killer performance" or something to that degree. Never ticket issues. Not even during the "Velvet Rope" one.

No, only one date was cancelled (and that was an international date) for TVR tour.

Ah I see.

Timmy84 said:

^ I think people take that for granted. Plus Janet was working herself to death during those tours. So it had to be hard on her body. She definitely wasn't ready to tour in 2008 but she tried for her fans.

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Well, 120 shows scheduled over two years and the artist is expected to never get sick and perform like a robot? I don't get that kind of mentality.

midiscover said:

Timmy84 said:

I think she's slowly planning a successful comeback. I see what she's doing...starting with the films, then with the book, now with this tour. I'm sure she'll do real well this time around. She was going through some SHIT between 2004 and 2009.

A successful comeback? Starring in Tyler Perry movies isn't doing shit for her. If she wants a successful comeback Janet needs to re-invent herself which she hasn't done for over 10 years now. The problem '04-'09 is that she didn't know what the problem was plus she surrounded herself with the wrong people. Even in 2010 there wasn't a drastic change in her career from 2009. 'Nothing' did nothing.

She might in 2011, you never know.

VoicesCarry said:

Timmy84 said:

^ I think people take that for granted. Plus Janet was working herself to death during those tours. So it had to be hard on her body. She definitely wasn't ready to tour in 2008 but she tried for her fans.

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Well, 120 shows scheduled over two years and the artist is expected to never get sick and perform like a robot? I don't get that kind of mentality.

Apparently artists are supposed to be superhuman or something.

Timmy84 said:

VoicesCarry said:

Well, 120 shows scheduled over two years and the artist is expected to never get sick and perform like a robot? I don't get that kind of mentality.

Apparently artists are supposed to be superhuman or something.

Rhythm Nation was the most successful debut tour in history at the time. She wasn't canceling dates because ticket sales were slow

VoicesCarry said:

Timmy84 said:

Apparently artists are supposed to be superhuman or something.

Rhythm Nation was the most successful debut tour in history at the time. She wasn't canceling dates because ticket sales were slow

Exactly.

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Timmy84 said:

midiscover said:

A successful comeback? Starring in Tyler Perry movies isn't doing shit for her. If she wants a successful comeback Janet needs to re-invent herself which she hasn't done for over 10 years now. The problem '04-'09 is that she didn't know what the problem was plus she surrounded herself with the wrong people. Even in 2010 there wasn't a drastic change in her career from 2009. 'Nothing' did nothing.

She might in 2011, you never know.

Idk...

She probably thinks we forgot about the Fuck Wit Ur Tickets "World" tour

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trueiopian said:

She probably thinks we forgot about the Fuck Wit Ur Tickets "World" tour

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Bitch still owes me plane fare and hotel fee for Montreal.

midiscover said:

errant said:

there were problems throughout the RN and janet. tours as well, though.

Eh no. The RN tour was a successful tour. She had a few health problems but no ticket issues. The same with the janet tour which did very well.

mf, you weren't even born yet, so hush

VoicesCarry said:

Timmy84 said:

^ I think people take that for granted. Plus Janet was working herself to death during those tours. So it had to be hard on her body. She definitely wasn't ready to tour in 2008 but she tried for her fans.

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Well, 120 shows scheduled over two years and the artist is expected to never get sick and perform like a robot? I don't get that kind of mentality.

Celene, Bette, Cher, Elton never canceled show on thier vegas runs

Madge has rarely canceled a show, twice in Japan during Who's That Girl for severe weather, once in Rome for Blonde Ambition for the political uproar it caused, once in Barcelona because of techincal issues, and one on the Sticky and Sweet Tour when the stage collopased killing one person. during the LA show part of the light riging broke but she still went on stage.

The jacksons for whatever reason don't seem to tour well.

Hell Tina did 80shows on the road in her 70s

I can't wait!!!

ehuffnsd said:

VoicesCarry said:

Well, 120 shows scheduled over two years and the artist is expected to never get sick and perform like a robot? I don't get that kind of mentality.

Celene, Bette, Cher, Elton never canceled show on thier vegas runs

Madge has rarely canceled a show, twice in Japan during Who's That Girl for severe weather, once in Rome for Blonde Ambition for the political uproar it caused, once in Barcelona because of techincal issues, and one on the Sticky and Sweet Tour when the stage collopased killing one person. during the LA show part of the light riging broke but she still went on stage.

The jacksons for whatever reason don't seem to tour well.

Hell Tina did 80shows on the road in her 70s

Vegas acts always sell-out in Vegas. So that's out of the equation.

No one's talking about her.

Puhlese sit down with that bs. Janet only had issues with her RWU and AFY tour (The European leg). MJ never had a problem selling out a show. They both cancel shows mostly for health reasons. We all know that Janet cancelled her AFY and RWU tour because of tickets but RN - TVR tour she didn't have issues selling tickets.

midiscover said:

ehuffnsd said:

Celene, Bette, Cher, Elton never canceled show on thier vegas runs

Madge has rarely canceled a show, twice in Japan during Who's That Girl for severe weather, once in Rome for Blonde Ambition for the political uproar it caused, once in Barcelona because of techincal issues, and one on the Sticky and Sweet Tour when the stage collopased killing one person. during the LA show part of the light riging broke but she still went on stage.

The jacksons for whatever reason don't seem to tour well.

Hell Tina did 80shows on the road in her 70s

Vegas acts always sell-out in Vegas. So that's out of the equation.

No one's talking about her.

Puhlese sit down with that bs. Janet only had issues with her RWU and AFY tour (The European leg). MJ never had a problem selling out a show. They both cancel shows mostly for health reasons. We all know that Janet cancelled her AFY and RWU tour because of tickets but RN - TVR tour she didn't have issues selling tickets.

did i mention sell outs?

i was talking cancelations. but thanks for putting words in my mouth.

ehuffnsd said:

VoicesCarry said:

Well, 120 shows scheduled over two years and the artist is expected to never get sick and perform like a robot? I don't get that kind of mentality.

Celene, Bette, Cher, Elton never canceled show on thier vegas runs

Madge has rarely canceled a show, twice in Japan during Who's That Girl for severe weather, once in Rome for Blonde Ambition for the political uproar it caused, once in Barcelona because of techincal issues, and one on the Sticky and Sweet Tour when the stage collopased killing one person. during the LA show part of the light riging broke but she still went on stage.

The jacksons for whatever reason don't seem to tour well.

Hell Tina did 80shows on the road in her 70s

Different people, different immune systems and different strengths. Me? I get sick at least twice a year. If I was touring, I'm sure it would be more often. I don't think it's unreasonable for someone to postpone or cancel a few shows when they are doing 120 dates on multiple continents. Janet has consistently had this happen on her tours, which, besides Rock Witchu, have all been tremendously successful. So, she clearly doesn't cancel or postpone because ticket sales are slow.

You can hardly compare the stress and travel of an international tour with playing at the same venue in Vegas.

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ehuffnsd said:

midiscover said:

Vegas acts always sell-out in Vegas. So that's out of the equation.

No one's talking about her.

Puhlese sit down with that bs. Janet only had issues with her RWU and AFY tour (The European leg). MJ never had a problem selling out a show. They both cancel shows mostly for health reasons. We all know that Janet cancelled her AFY and RWU tour because of tickets but RN - TVR tour she didn't have issues selling tickets.

did i mention sell outs?

i was talking cancelations. but thanks for putting words in my mouth.

You said - "The jacksons for whatever reason don't seem to tour well."

To me world tours and frequent performances in Vegas are as different as night and day.

midiscover said:

ehuffnsd said:

did i mention sell outs?

i was talking cancelations. but thanks for putting words in my mouth.

You said - "The jacksons for whatever reason don't seem to tour well."

ie cancellations.

there was a thread here in 06 started by soul alive where we all came up with the new excuses janet would give for canceling or postponing a tour.

and lets not the stans of MJ who were like 50 yo man couldn't do shows like AEG was asking him to do while at the same time ignoring people like Prince, Madonna, Tina, the Stones, Bette, Cher who were the same age or older doing my grueling schedules.

Timmy84 said:

To me world tours and frequent performances in Vegas are as different as night and day.

yes, i agree. but Cher, Bette, TIna have all toured at ages of 50+ with no problems.

ehuffnsd said:

midiscover said:

You said - "The jacksons for whatever reason don't seem to tour well."

ie cancellations.

there was a thread here in 06 started by soul alive where we all came up with the new excuses janet would give for canceling or postponing a tour.

and lets not the stans of MJ who were like 50 yo man couldn't do shows like AEG was asking him to do while at the same time ignoring people like Prince, Madonna, Tina, the Stones, Bette, Cher who were the same age or older doing my grueling schedules.

Already stated that the both of them cancel shows because of health reasons and I already know that Janet cancelled shows before because of low ticket sales. I don't care if there was a thread about excuses. Find something more productive to do with your time.

Like VC said everyone has different immune systems. We all know that MJ was in no condition to tour in '09 so his stans have every right to point this out. Btw, I wouldn't consider Cher and Bette's schedules grueling. They're in the same city for all their shows. That's way different from touring acts that travel around the world and get little sleep.

You think she's going to cancelled dates on this tour too? Probably

ehuffnsd said:

Celene, Bette, Cher, Elton never canceled show on thier vegas runs

Madge has rarely canceled a show, twice in Japan during Who's That Girl for severe weather, once in Rome for Blonde Ambition for the political uproar it caused, once in Barcelona because of techincal issues, and one on the Sticky and Sweet Tour when the stage collopased killing one person. during the LA show part of the light riging broke but she still went on stage.

The jacksons for whatever reason don't seem to tour well.

Hell Tina did 80shows on the road in her 70s

Wrong, Madonna cancelled several Blond Ambition shows US due to illness, alongside a New Jersey show in 2001 and she also had several 'production issues' cancellations right before the tour started, most notably in 1993, 2001 and 2009 and mysteriously they were almost always in Germany (and the Slovenia date last year got cancelled like a week before the show was supposed to happen). Janet's pre-AFYT cancellations are nothing out of the ordinary.

I've a feeling Janet and her management did want to land a one off album deal but it didn't work out so they have to resort to the way that's definite to get some cash. Otherwise it makes totally no sense to announce a tour based on the compilation that has just turned a year old. I know she was busy with movies but tickets can go on sale long before the rehearsals start (see U2) so it does feel like a last minute idea. The worst thing is that she limits the setlist to the usual stuff and she's not going to do some fan favs like "Island Life" or even a proper version of "You Want This".

Cinnie said:

you actually bought that couldn't resist a good tabloid feud.

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What problems was janet experiencing or going through 2004-2009 other than the fact that she got lazy and allowed jermaine or whomever else to totally control the output of the albums?? I think she will do okay in a smaller venue but if i'm to believe she's this singer/songwriter, composer that she's praised to be then she will need to do an album where she's personally involved that really brings it the way it used to.

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