SoulAlive said:

paisleypark4 said:

I know there are going to be 2 midtempo songs on it and the rest slow jams..predictable....I know its not going to be funky...

Exactly I've pretty much given up on new music from Old School artists who used to be funky.They're not interested in making that type of music anymore Charlie Wilson,Ron Isley,even Teena Marie doesn't throwdown the way she used to.They stick with midtempo beats and ballads.

Thank God Prince is not scared to do funk...I dont care what you guys think..even though Prince doesnt have the same equipment from the 80's AT LEAST he can still turn out tracks like Lolita, Dance 4 Me, Lavaux, Black Sweat, Get On The Boat...and more...can't say our boy ever gave up on funk and started turning into a turd like the rest.

Timmy84 said:

Harlepolis said:

Wilson Pickett incident? Oh shit, I better read this

Apparently Wilson and the Isleys were hunting at the Catskills in New York. Later one night, Wilson was so drunk he started shooting everywhere. When two of the brothers (the elders O'Kelly and Rudy) and two others tried to calm him down, Wilson started to fight with them, then he was locked in the Isleys' door. He shot through the door. Wilson was charged with reckless endangerment and criminal possession. He would've been in jail for seven years for the incident but charges were dropped.

Wow,,,,Wicked IS right

I remember reading this story(told by Bobby Womack) that he quit working with him when he cut the brakes of his bands' car so they won't make any stops before they meet him in the next state they were performing in(I don't remember which one but it was a long drive) so you know how fucked up the situation was.

Harlepolis said:

Timmy84 said:

Apparently Wilson and the Isleys were hunting at the Catskills in New York. Later one night, Wilson was so drunk he started shooting everywhere. When two of the brothers (the elders O'Kelly and Rudy) and two others tried to calm him down, Wilson started to fight with them, then he was locked in the Isleys' door. He shot through the door. Wilson was charged with reckless endangerment and criminal possession. He would've been in jail for seven years for the incident but charges were dropped.

Wow,,,,Wicked IS right

I remember reading this story(told by Bobby Womack) that he quit working with him when he cut the brakes of his bands' car so they won't make any stops before they meet him in the next state they were performing in(I don't remember which one but it was a long drive) so you know how fucked up the situation was.

Wilson was real fucked up lol

Harlepolis said:

I remember reading this story(told by Bobby Womack) that he quit working with him when he cut the brakes of his bands' car so they won't make any stops before they meet him in the next state they were performing in(I don't remember which one but it was a long drive) so you know how fucked up the situation was.

Cutting a person's brake line is pretty low. Years later, ironically,Wicked P. pleaded guillty to hitting an elderly pedestrian with his car.

paisleypark4 said:

SoulAlive said:

Exactly I've pretty much given up on new music from Old School artists who used to be funky.They're not interested in making that type of music anymore Charlie Wilson,Ron Isley,even Teena Marie doesn't throwdown the way she used to.They stick with midtempo beats and ballads.

Thank God Prince is not scared to do funk...I dont care what you guys think..even though Prince doesnt have the same equipment from the 80's AT LEAST he can still turn out tracks like Lolita, Dance 4 Me, Lavaux, Black Sweat, Get On The Boat...and more...can't say our boy ever gave up on funk and started turning into a turd like the rest.

Prince can be hit or miss at times now but i like those songs you mentioned especially

Dance 4 Me. Dance 4 Me reminds me of a Sign Of The Times era song.

phunkdaddy said:

paisleypark4 said:

Thank God Prince is not scared to do funk...I dont care what you guys think..even though Prince doesnt have the same equipment from the 80's AT LEAST he can still turn out tracks like Lolita, Dance 4 Me, Lavaux, Black Sweat, Get On The Boat...and more...can't say our boy ever gave up on funk and started turning into a turd like the rest.

Prince can be hit or miss at times now but i like those songs you mentioned especially

Dance 4 Me. Dance 4 Me reminds me of a Sign Of The Times era song.

I love "Dance 4 Me" too.

Timmy84 said:

phunkdaddy said:

Prince can be hit or miss at times now but i like those songs you mentioned especially

Dance 4 Me. Dance 4 Me reminds me of a Sign Of The Times era song.

I love "Dance 4 Me" too.

MickyDolenz said:

SoulAlive said:

Exactly I've pretty much given up on new music from Old School artists who used to be funky.They're not interested in making that type of music anymore Charlie Wilson,Ron Isley,even Teena Marie doesn't throwdown the way she used to.They stick with midtempo beats and ballads.

They probably wouldn't have a recording contract if they were doing funk or uptempo tunes (at least not with a major), because it doesn't sell much. They still sing the old stuff in concert. The "adult R&B" stations mostly play Maze style midtempo music and slow jams, and that is where the record labels are mainly marketing the older acts to. The ones that get some airplay on the regular youth hip hop R&B have some type of gimmick (Mr. Biggs), do duets with current popular acts, or sing hooks on rap tunes.

Well,CDs don't really sell these days anyway,so that really shouldn't be a factor.

paisleypark4 said:

SoulAlive said:

Exactly I've pretty much given up on new music from Old School artists who used to be funky.They're not interested in making that type of music anymore Charlie Wilson,Ron Isley,even Teena Marie doesn't throwdown the way she used to.They stick with midtempo beats and ballads.

Thank God Prince is not scared to do funk...I dont care what you guys think..even though Prince doesnt have the same equipment from the 80's AT LEAST he can still turn out tracks like Lolita, Dance 4 Me, Lavaux, Black Sweat, Get On The Boat...and more...can't say our boy ever gave up on funk and started turning into a turd like the rest.

EXACTLY!!!!

That's why I get so pissed when I see him making a sellout shit hop track like "Laydown". Yeah, there are other tracks but the sellout shit is taking the place of what could be another funk track. Plus, I don't want the motherfucker to be successful in the mainsteam again because look what the mainstream is these days....shit hop and neo stool. If one of his sellout tracks were to catch on, we would be in danger of losing him and when it comes to funk, he's the only motherfucker still around making it.....unless you go "looking to find good music" by searching the deepest oceans and highest mountains and I'm not going to do that because I shouldn't have to.

Things would just be so much easier if these motherfucking listeners today would just get some damn taste! Either put funk as the dominating mainstream music on the radio and in the media again or just do away with the radio and musical outlets altogether!

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[Edited 11/12/10 7:33am]

SoulAlive said:

MickyDolenz said:

They probably wouldn't have a recording contract if they were doing funk or uptempo tunes (at least not with a major), because it doesn't sell much. They still sing the old stuff in concert. The "adult R&B" stations mostly play Maze style midtempo music and slow jams, and that is where the record labels are mainly marketing the older acts to. The ones that get some airplay on the regular youth hip hop R&B have some type of gimmick (Mr. Biggs), do duets with current popular acts, or sing hooks on rap tunes.

Well,CDs don't really sell these days anyway,so that really shouldn't be a factor.

If they want to make a living, it is a factor. Why would a major record label or performer spend a lot of money on studio time or to promote something like funk music that has no chance of selling? To a record company funk is no more valid than polka music is. They're not rushing out to sign any polka bands either. A musician is a job like any other job. Most people don't work at places they like and they do things they don't want to survive. Prince is a millionaire, he can afford to put out whatever he wants, most of these other acts are broke. Charlie Wilson said that he and his brothers have never recieved any royalties from Gap Band albums because Lonnie Simmons took it all. In most cases the performer has little or no say so in what they record, the record company tells them what to put out and who to work with. You probably don't go to your job and tell the boss what you want to do. That's why someone like Terence Trent D'Arby just records what he wants and sells it on his website. A lot of the stuff he makes, a record label would reject. The same for other acts that are independent like Ani DiFranco.

MickyDolenz said:

SoulAlive said:

Well,CDs don't really sell these days anyway,so that really shouldn't be a factor.

If they want to make a living, it is a factor. Why would a major record label or performer spend a lot of money on studio time or to promote something like funk music that has no chance of selling?

I guarantee it would sell if the labels would stop signing any shit hop and neo stool acts and give the listener no choice of anything else to buy except funk. That's what the labels have been doing for the last two decades with shit hop and neo stool so it's only fair that they switch up now and give funk it's time to dominate with no other alternative for the listener except...."having to search and look for something else...there's a whole internet out there but you have to search for what you want....don't limit yourself to just the radio".

vainandy said:

MickyDolenz said:

If they want to make a living, it is a factor. Why would a major record label or performer spend a lot of money on studio time or to promote something like funk music that has no chance of selling?

I guarantee it would sell if the labels would stop signing any shit hop and neo stool acts and give the listener no choice of anything else to buy except funk. That's what the labels have been doing for the last two decades with shit hop and neo stool so it's only fair that they switch up now and give funk it's time to dominate with no other alternative for the listener except...."having to search and look for something else...there's a whole internet out there but you have to search for what you want....don't limit yourself to just the radio".

I would like to subscribe to your newsletter Andy.

With magazines out like Waxpoetics, people sampling funk mroe and more, we got pop artists making slight refrences to funk and dance music..its better than it was in the 90's thats for sure...ten years ago it was unheard of. I dont think we will get the black bands thing going again; however its still nice to see it not forgotten. All we can do is change the perception of the people around us.

Before I met my partner none of his friends really even knew what funk was, but now they bring songs that are either danceable or have alot of funk in them to my friday night parties. We have to do it one day at a time!

vainandy said:

MickyDolenz said:

If they want to make a living, it is a factor. Why would a major record label or performer spend a lot of money on studio time or to promote something like funk music that has no chance of selling?

I guarantee it would sell if the labels would stop signing any shit hop and neo stool acts and give the listener no choice of anything else to buy except funk. That's what the labels have been doing for the last two decades with shit hop and neo stool so it's only fair that they switch up now and give funk it's time to dominate with no other alternative for the listener except...."having to search and look for something else...there's a whole internet out there but you have to search for what you want....don't limit yourself to just the radio".

In general, young people don't listen to their parents music or old music and funk is their grandparent's music for today's youth. In the 50's, teens listened to Elvis & Chuck Berry, not Perry Como or Frank Sinatra. The 60's, it was the Beatles and Motown, not Elvis who was just making a bunch of movies. The 70's came around, singer-songwriter (James Taylor, Paul Simon), hard rock (Black Sabbath, Zeppelin), and disco were the big things. The 60's psychedelic music wasn't relevant. Once a popular music dies out, it never really comes back to the mainstream. Funk has no more of a chance of being accepted by the general public today than blues, rockabilly, bluegrass, jazz, opera, or Bing Crosby crooner music does. Funk is a niche market with an older audience. You also have to remember, there wasn't the competition back in the old days. Kids today would rather buy video games and DVD's than music. They spend all of their time playing video games or texting, when decades ago, these things didn't exist and so some people would spend a lot of time learning to play an instrument. You don't really need to play an instrument to make music today, just a computer program like Reason. Why waste time learning to play a guitar, when you can just play a fake one like Rock Band, lol.

MickyDolenz said:

vainandy said:

I guarantee it would sell if the labels would stop signing any shit hop and neo stool acts and give the listener no choice of anything else to buy except funk. That's what the labels have been doing for the last two decades with shit hop and neo stool so it's only fair that they switch up now and give funk it's time to dominate with no other alternative for the listener except...."having to search and look for something else...there's a whole internet out there but you have to search for what you want....don't limit yourself to just the radio".

In general, young people don't listen to their parents music or old music and funk is their grandparent's music for today's youth. In the 50's, teens listened to Elvis & Chuck Berry, not Perry Como or Frank Sinatra. The 60's, it was the Beatles and Motown, not Elvis who was just making a bunch of movies. The 70's came around, singer-songwriter (James Taylor, Paul Simon), hard rock (Black Sabbath, Zeppelin), and disco were the big things. The 60's psychedelic music wasn't relevant. Once a popular music dies out, it never really comes back to the mainstream. Funk has no more of a chance of being accepted by the general public today than blues, rockabilly, bluegrass, jazz, opera, or Bing Crosby crooner music does. Funk is a niche market with an older audience. You also have to remember, there wasn't the competition back in the old days. Kids today would rather buy video games and DVD's than music. They spend all of their time playing video games or texting, when decades ago, these things didn't exist and so some people would spend a lot of time learning to play an instrument. You don't really need to play an instrument to make music today, just a computer program like Reason. Why waste time learning to play a guitar, when you can just play a fake one like Rock Band, lol.

I will buy the new album. I am a fan of Ron's music. He is a Gemini. I like the Isley Brother's music as well.

MickyDolenz said:

vainandy said:

I guarantee it would sell if the labels would stop signing any shit hop and neo stool acts and give the listener no choice of anything else to buy except funk. That's what the labels have been doing for the last two decades with shit hop and neo stool so it's only fair that they switch up now and give funk it's time to dominate with no other alternative for the listener except...."having to search and look for something else...there's a whole internet out there but you have to search for what you want....don't limit yourself to just the radio".

In general, young people don't listen to their parents music or old music and funk is their grandparent's music for today's youth. In the 50's, teens listened to Elvis & Chuck Berry, not Perry Como or Frank Sinatra. The 60's, it was the Beatles and Motown, not Elvis who was just making a bunch of movies. The 70's came around, singer-songwriter (James Taylor, Paul Simon), hard rock (Black Sabbath, Zeppelin), and disco were the big things. The 60's psychedelic music wasn't relevant. Once a popular music dies out, it never really comes back to the mainstream. Funk has no more of a chance of being accepted by the general public today than blues, rockabilly, bluegrass, jazz, opera, or Bing Crosby crooner music does. Funk is a niche market with an older audience. You also have to remember, there wasn't the competition back in the old days. Kids today would rather buy video games and DVD's than music. They spend all of their time playing video games or texting, when decades ago, these things didn't exist and so some people would spend a lot of time learning to play an instrument. You don't really need to play an instrument to make music today, just a computer program like Reason. Why waste time learning to play a guitar, when you can just play a fake one like Rock Band, lol.

Yeah, but music just kept getting better and better each decade and progressing. When the 1990s came around, everything just started going backwards instead of forwards back to the old days before the rock and roll and swing era when all music was slow. I hear motherfuckers today calling a song a "jam" that's at a tempo that we would have considered a ballad. They don't have a fast or rhythmic bone in their body whatsoever (at least when it comes to mainstream R&B) so the way I see it, they have gone backwards to the old days of fuddy duddy classical music instead of forwards continuing on with the hard pounding JAMS.

It ain't gotta be funk. I was happy with disco and also house music that came later. Times changed and the style of jams changed with the times but the difference is, they still were JAMS....not a damned Lawrence Welk or Slim Whitman tempoed song that's intended for the dance floor (by their standards, not ours) but is slow enough to be considered a ballad...just without the sexiness of an actual ballad.

MickyDolenz said:

vainandy said:

I guarantee it would sell if the labels would stop signing any shit hop and neo stool acts and give the listener no choice of anything else to buy except funk. That's what the labels have been doing for the last two decades with shit hop and neo stool so it's only fair that they switch up now and give funk it's time to dominate with no other alternative for the listener except...."having to search and look for something else...there's a whole internet out there but you have to search for what you want....don't limit yourself to just the radio".

In general, young people don't listen to their parents music or old music and funk is their grandparent's music for today's youth. In the 50's, teens listened to Elvis & Chuck Berry, not Perry Como or Frank Sinatra. The 60's, it was the Beatles and Motown, not Elvis who was just making a bunch of movies. The 70's came around, singer-songwriter (James Taylor, Paul Simon), hard rock (Black Sabbath, Zeppelin), and disco were the big things. The 60's psychedelic music wasn't relevant. Once a popular music dies out, it never really comes back to the mainstream. Funk has no more of a chance of being accepted by the general public today than blues, rockabilly, bluegrass, jazz, opera, or Bing Crosby crooner music does. Funk is a niche market with an older audience. You also have to remember, there wasn't the competition back in the old days. Kids today would rather buy video games and DVD's than music. They spend all of their time playing video games or texting, when decades ago, these things didn't exist and so some people would spend a lot of time learning to play an instrument. You don't really need to play an instrument to make music today, just a computer program like Reason. Why waste time learning to play a guitar, when you can just play a fake one like Rock Band, lol.

I consider myself very young and I hardly listen to today's music as it is unless it's REAL GOOD (like Cee Lo or someone like that). That said, I'm not gonna buy another slow contemporary rhythmless bullshit album from Mr. Isley.

Actually if you really think about it, Ron Isley has been a solo artist since the release of Smooth Sailin' in 1987. Rudolph's heart wasn't in doing the Isleys thing after its release and two years later he confided to Ron that he wanted to retire to remain a minister (I think he started studying the ministry in '87). And really Ernie and Marvin returning to work with his brother was not as a group but more like his backup musicians.

But of course you have to keep that image of "togetherness" to the public so no one would know the real truth. The Isley Brothers really broke up after the death of O'Kelly Isley in 1986. It's just a "name" now.

And I guess for the first time Ron realizes that and since he and Ernie supposedly have become estranged, it could be easy to see why now. I wish him (Ron) well, don't get me wrong but obviously he's gonna be like Charlie Wilson and Quincy Jones trying his best to be "hip" with bad results.

That said, least he didn't stray too long since he's got a duet with Aretha on the album so I guess that's good but other than that...yeah lol

MickyDolenz said:

SoulAlive said:

Well,CDs don't really sell these days anyway,so that really shouldn't be a factor.

If they want to make a living, it is a factor. Why would a major record label or performer spend a lot of money on studio time or to promote something like funk music that has no chance of selling? To a record company funk is no more valid than polka music is. They're not rushing out to sign any polka bands either. A musician is a job like any other job. Most people don't work at places they like and they do things they don't want to survive. Prince is a millionaire, he can afford to put out whatever he wants, most of these other acts are broke. Charlie Wilson said that he and his brothers have never recieved any royalties from Gap Band albums because Lonnie Simmons took it all. In most cases the performer has little or no say so in what they record, the record company tells them what to put out and who to work with. You probably don't go to your job and tell the boss what you want to do. That's why someone like Terence Trent D'Arby just records what he wants and sells it on his website. A lot of the stuff he makes, a record label would reject. The same for other acts that are independent like Ani DiFranco.

You have a point but you never know how funk would sell these days because it isn't given a chance. If radio marketed it the same way they did this other shit it would sell at least up to gold status which was the modus operandi back in the 70's and early 80's anyway. As far as the Gap Band goes you're dead on with that crook Lonnie Simmons. The Gap Band actual last album

for Lonnie on the Total Experience label was Gap Band 7. Gap Band 8 and Straight From the

Heart were basically albums released to fulfill the Gap Band's contract. The Gap Band did

nothing to promote those albums. It was all Lonnie Simmons. Now i know what went down

for their one album at Capitol. Lonnie blackballed them and they never did a followup. I can't

believe he went through all that to keep these guys from getting their paper. So that's how

Charlie went through all the shit they did.

I think technology killed music. Like I was saying above, kids have different things to entertain them now like cable/satellite, DVD players, video games, computers, internet, etc. Back when a lot of the the people who formed R&B and funk bands grew up, they didn't have a lot of things to entertain themselves with. There were only 3 networks on TV and maybe they played board games like checkers. Music was a big part of their entertainment. People would listen to the radio, have favorite DJ's. In a lot of cases the radio DJ's picked the music that was played, even though there was payola then too. But they more likely played music they liked, that's why some records were popular in some parts of the US and not others. Today, the stuff on the radio is a computer program and not played by anybody, except maybe on low wattage college & independent stations. As music was the big thing, some kids wanted to play like the people on the songs they liked. That's how a lot of those 60's "British Invasion" groups started. They heard blues records brought over by black US military guys. Other kids hung out on the corner and formed doo wop and vocal groups to entertain themselves. Recording techniques were different then too. There were only 2-4 tracks for recording, so everything had to be recorded live. If someone messed up, everybody had to start over. Around the early 1970's a few acts started using a drum machine which had just came out. But cut to the 80's, drum machines and cheap synthesizers that could be programed made it easier to make music without learning how to play well. It made it cheaper to make music for kids who couldn't afford to buy instruments or take music lessons. Funk bands had a bunch of people and this wasn't cost effective, so many like Cameo streamlined and started recording electrofunk. This was the same reason the swing big bands of the 30's and 40's died out. The music lost it's popularity and so the bands couldn't afford to stay together. The "blockbuster" albums like Dark Side Of The Moon, Thriller, Rumours, etc. also affected music in that record labels just wants numbers, and so radio conglomerates that program what the stations play. The old labels were started by music fans or musicians. Today they're ran by guys who went to college and are only trying to please the stockholders and meet quotas. Then later, the internet came along and people started downloading music for free. I also think that the gossip media & society of today hurt music too. Decades ago, not many people knew or cared that celebrities did "bad" things. In a lot of cases fans that knew about it figured that the bad behavior was cool like the slogan "Sex Drugs & Rock 'N Roll". There weren't that many paps, and the ones back then mostly were at events like concerts or movie premeres. They didn't camp out at someone's house or stalk them and film them on TV. The people today want to know everybody's business, and then judge them or make videos of themselves commenting on gossip and put it on Youtube or write blogs. This I think all of these things killed music and all entertainment.

SoulAlive said:

paisleypark4 said:

I know there are going to be 2 midtempo songs on it and the rest slow jams..predictable....I know its not going to be funky...

Exactly I've pretty much given up on new music from Old School artists who used to be funky.They're not interested in making that type of music anymore Charlie Wilson,Ron Isley,even Teena Marie doesn't throwdown the way she used to.They stick with midtempo beats and ballads.

And you know why?!?

Because sadly, that is THE only way these old-school artists can ever get their music played on corporate media owned hip-hop/r&b (AKA shit-hop/rhythmless bullshit) radio stations.

Watch Charlie & Ron selling out for a quick buck is not surprise, since they're used to change their style to reflect the timeline they're in at the moment. But Teena is more disappointing because I expect someone that learn a lot of Rick James & his arch-rival Prince to know a lot better than what she has been doing musically for the last 1 1/2 decades.

phunkdaddy said:

You have a point but you never know how funk would sell these days because it isn't given a chance. If radio marketed it the same way they did this other shit it would sell at least up to gold status which was the modus operandi back in the 70's and early 80's anyway. As far as the Gap Band goes you're dead on with that crook Lonnie Simmons. The Gap Band actual last album

for Lonnie on the Total Experience label was Gap Band 7. Gap Band 8 and Straight From the

Heart were basically albums released to fulfill the Gap Band's contract. The Gap Band did

nothing to promote those albums. It was all Lonnie Simmons. Now i know what went down

for their one album at Capitol. Lonnie blackballed them and they never did a followup. I can't

believe he went through all that to keep these guys from getting their paper. So that's how

Charlie went through all the shit they did.

I read an interview with Ronnie Wilson years ago, and he said the last real Gap album on Total Experience was Gap Band V-Jammin'. According to him, the rest were partly compiled from leftover tracks by the label.

MickyDolenz said:

phunkdaddy said:

You have a point but you never know how funk would sell these days because it isn't given a chance. If radio marketed it the same way they did this other shit it would sell at least up to gold status which was the modus operandi back in the 70's and early 80's anyway. As far as the Gap Band goes you're dead on with that crook Lonnie Simmons. The Gap Band actual last album

for Lonnie on the Total Experience label was Gap Band 7. Gap Band 8 and Straight From the

Heart were basically albums released to fulfill the Gap Band's contract. The Gap Band did

nothing to promote those albums. It was all Lonnie Simmons. Now i know what went down

for their one album at Capitol. Lonnie blackballed them and they never did a followup. I can't

believe he went through all that to keep these guys from getting their paper. So that's how

Charlie went through all the shit they did.

I read an interview with Ronnie Wilson years ago, and he said the last real Gap album on Total Experience was Gap Band V-Jammin'. According to him, the rest were partly compiled from leftover tracks by the label.

I noticed that because the pictures from the 7 and 8 album are THE SAME! Haha..and they just do not sound ..whole....

MickyDolenz said:

phunkdaddy said:

You have a point but you never know how funk would sell these days because it isn't given a chance. If radio marketed it the same way they did this other shit it would sell at least up to gold status which was the modus operandi back in the 70's and early 80's anyway. As far as the Gap Band goes you're dead on with that crook Lonnie Simmons. The Gap Band actual last album

for Lonnie on the Total Experience label was Gap Band 7. Gap Band 8 and Straight From the

Heart were basically albums released to fulfill the Gap Band's contract. The Gap Band did

nothing to promote those albums. It was all Lonnie Simmons. Now i know what went down

for their one album at Capitol. Lonnie blackballed them and they never did a followup. I can't

believe he went through all that to keep these guys from getting their paper. So that's how

Charlie went through all the shit they did.

I read an interview with Ronnie Wilson years ago, and he said the last real Gap album on Total Experience was Gap Band V-Jammin'. According to him, the rest were partly compiled from leftover tracks by the label.

Ronnie may have a bit of amnesia. Seriously i saw him and Charlie on Video Soul

and they were promoting Round Trip and Charlie was saying that Gap Band 7 was their

last real album for the label. The band promoted Gap Band 6 and 7 with appearances on

Soul Train and videos. For Gap Band 8 to have been compiled with leftover tracks it

sounded pretty good unlike the followup Straight From the Heart which sounded like

a bunch of unreleased tracks. The Gap Band did a video for their rendition of Going In

Cirles which went number 2 r&b.

[Edited 11/14/10 0:09am]

phunkdaddy said:

MickyDolenz said:

I read an interview with Ronnie Wilson years ago, and he said the last real Gap album on Total Experience was Gap Band V-Jammin'. According to him, the rest were partly compiled from leftover tracks by the label.

Ronnie may have a bit of amnesia. Seriously i saw him and Charlie on Video Soul

and they were promoting Round Trip and Charlie was saying that Gap Band 7 was their

last real album for the label. The band promoted Gap Band 6 and 7 with appearances on

Soul Train and videos. For Gap Band 8 to have been compiled with leftover tracks it

sounded pretty good unlike the followup Straight From the Heart which sounded like

a bunch of unreleased tracks. The Gap Band did a video for their rendition of Going In

Cirles which went number 2 r&b.

[Edited 11/14/10 0:09am]

There were videos for Desire & Disrespect as well. I guess he means that maybe some songs on the later albums were new and others were leftover. Perhaps that's why Outstanding & I Found My Baby sound alike. Maybe they were recorded around the same time. Or that 6 & 7 had some new material, and the two after it there was no songs specifically recorded for them and were entirely vault tracks. Charlie does say in the video that they went to court against the label in 1986 and they won. Gap 7 was released in 1986.

paisleypark4 said:

I noticed that because the pictures from the 7 and 8 album are THE SAME! Haha..and they just do not sound ..whole....

Kinda like these two. The 1st was released in 1978, and the 2nd in 1981. The pics obviously came from the same photo shoot, unless they just happened to wear the exact same clothes and jewelry 4 years apart.

MickyDolenz said:

paisleypark4 said:

I noticed that because the pictures from the 7 and 8 album are THE SAME! Haha..and they just do not sound ..whole....

Kinda like these two. The 1st was released in 1978, and the 2nd in 1981. The pics obviously came from the same photo shoot, unless they just happened to wear the exact same clothes and jewelry 4 years apart.

I just noticed that. Mindfuck lol

MickyDolenz said:

paisleypark4 said:

I noticed that because the pictures from the 7 and 8 album are THE SAME! Haha..and they just do not sound ..whole....

Kinda like these two. The 1st was released in 1978, and the 2nd in 1981. The pics obviously came from the same photo shoot, unless they just happened to wear the exact same clothes and jewelry 4 years apart.

I heard it was because Grand Slam was when they were starting to break apart and those songs were from Out-takes of Showdown.

The Lauryn duet didn't make the cut??

Timmy84 said:

Harlepolis said:

Wilson Pickett incident? Oh shit, I better read this

Apparently Wilson and the Isleys were hunting at the Catskills in New York. Later one night, Wilson was so drunk he started shooting everywhere. When two of the brothers (the elders O'Kelly and Rudy) and two others tried to calm him down, Wilson started to fight with them, then he was locked in the Isleys' door. He shot through the door. Wilson was charged with reckless endangerment and criminal possession. He would've been in jail for seven years for the incident but charges were dropped.

Picket must have always carried a gun around. I heard a story of him pullin a piece out on James Brown.

MidniteMagnet said:

The Lauryn duet didn't make the cut??

It did not, much to my disappointment. Perhaps the decision was prompted due to the online leak of the track.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Timmy84 said:

Apparently Wilson and the Isleys were hunting at the Catskills in New York. Later one night, Wilson was so drunk he started shooting everywhere. When two of the brothers (the elders O'Kelly and Rudy) and two others tried to calm him down, Wilson started to fight with them, then he was locked in the Isleys' door. He shot through the door. Wilson was charged with reckless endangerment and criminal possession. He would've been in jail for seven years for the incident but charges were dropped.

Picket must have always carried a gun around. I heard a story of him pullin a piece out on James Brown.