Timmy84 said:

Yep the difference here, the Brides always did this. But it wasn't "rap/hip-hop". It's like what Isaac Hayes and Millie Jackson were doing back then.

The Sequence were more like this:

Ok.I can give a little on that.

However, until just this very minute...I'd never heard of King Tim III!

After listening though, I do understand why THIS:

and THIS:

Are what I recall from the year 1979 as the ORIGINATION of Rap/HipHop.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Timmy84 said:

Yep the difference here, the Brides always did this. But it wasn't "rap/hip-hop". It's like what Isaac Hayes and Millie Jackson were doing back then.

The Sequence were more like this:

Ok.I can give a little on that.

However, until just this very minute...I'd never heard of King Tim III!

After listening though, I do understand why THIS:

and THIS:

Are what I recall from the year 1979 as the ORIGINATION of Rap/HipHop.

Or at least the origination of the genre finally put on radio.

And the Sequence released their first singles in '79 (Angie was not yet 18 when "Funk You Up" went gold).

Oh and "King Tim III" was just a name of a song. This came from the Fatback Band. They released this around either July or August of 1979. "Rapper's Delight" came out that September.

Timmy84 said:

Oh and "King Tim III" was just a name of a song. This came from the Fatback Band. They released this around either July or August of 1979. "Rapper's Delight" came out that September.

I honestly did not know any of that. Thanks for the knowledge!

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Timmy84 said:

Oh and "King Tim III" was just a name of a song. This came from the Fatback Band. They released this around either July or August of 1979. "Rapper's Delight" came out that September.

I honestly did not know any of that. Thanks for the knowledge!

You're welcome.

besides rapping, they also sang on a couple of songs from their 3 albums

some more early singles with Paulett & Tanya "Sweet Tee" Winley, produced by Ann Winley on Paul Winley's label

1979

1980

and there was Sharon "Sha Rock" Green with the Funky Four Plus 1, later appearing in Beat Street

"Us Girls" by Sharon "Sha Rock" Green, Lisa Counts & Deborah "Debbie D" Hooper

[Edited 10/29/10 1:47am]

"King" Tim Washington

ROCKMASTER SCOTT & TH...MIC 3.....

I love this!

Shango said:

Dayum! The rapper is fairly spitting her verses here! Even with ala them frills she barely raising a sweat! Wow and how about them little nifty shifty choreographed steps just before the end. Totally random, love it. And i thought school was out. Sheeet!!! rappers still talking the same way to this day. You think Salt and pepa got their name from this track? First i thought they were shouting out to SNP but of course thats impossible, right?

Come on though, can you really call these obscure artist the first lady's or whatever we are calling Salt N Pepa? If a tree falls in a forest?

Shango

sosgemini said:

Come on though, can you really call these obscure artist the first lady's or whatever we are calling Salt N Pepa? If a tree falls in a forest?

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DexterDayglo said:

Shango said:

Dayum! The rapper is fairly spitting her verses here! Even with ala them frills she barely raising a sweat! Wow and how about them little nifty shifty choreographed steps just before the end. Totally random, love it. And i thought school was out. Sheeet!!! rappers still talking the same way to this day. You think Salt and pepa got their name from this track? First i thought they were shouting out to SNP but of course thats impossible, right?

Who knows?

They were Super Nature before changing their name lol

Cinnie said:

Shango

you're welcome

sosgemini said:

Come on though, can you really call these obscure artist the first lady's or whatever we are calling Salt N Pepa? If a tree falls in a forest?

it's to each their own how you wanna entitle an artist, but in the timeline they were one of the few early female rappers

Getting slightly back on subject and to seriously answer the question on "can we call Sequence the first ladies of rap?" Well I'll put it to you like this:

Lots of the early rap icons came at a time when rap wasn't even taken seriously, even though you had pioneers like Grandmaster Flash and Kurtis Blow and 'em, people thought it would just "go away". They didn't know it would grow overtime.

And that brings to mind the arrivals of Run-DMC and Salt 'n' Pepa becoming the cornerstones of that. This is when history revisionists would then prove these groups were THE first to do anything mainstream when that's not entirely true.

Rap albums came out before Run-DMC's and YES there were female emcees BEFORE Salt 'n' Pepa. What gives those groups the advantage they have is they had a lot more to work with in the labels and people they were associated with then the artists who worked with earlier labels like Sugarhill (which the Sequence and the Funky Four + One were a part of) and Enjoy (where there were some solo female rappers prior to Roxanne Shante and MC Lyte).

And of course if you think about it, though, women weren't taken seriously before Salt 'n' Pepa though there were few inclusions like I just mentioned. Classic hip-hop (1979-1982) however gets a cold shoulder most of the time from the same community that it still benefits from so I can get why people will be like "really? How are they pioneers?" But I think they are.

But it's all good, it's all good.

Shango said:

sosgemini said:

Come on though, can you really call these obscure artist the first lady's or whatever we are calling Salt N Pepa? If a tree falls in a forest?

it's to each their own how you wanna entitle an artist, but in the timeline they were one of the few early female rappers

Exactly.

Good that Sugar Hill and Enjoy gave the ladies their shine, concerning the circumstances which you explained about. It paved the way for others.

I bought this book some years ago, btw :

Amazon.com: Hip Hop Divas...e Magazine

Shango said:

Good that Sugar Hill and Enjoy gave the ladies their shine, concerning the circumstances which you explained about. It paved the way for others.

I bought this book some years ago, btw :

Amazon.com: Hip Hop Divas...e Magazine

Yeah plus let's not forget the person who founded Sugar Hill was this woman:

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Shango said:

Good that Sugar Hill gave the ladies their shine

That's about all Sylvia Robinson gave them, because she always found ways to not pay the acts on her label.

^ good points ^ as well from both of ya, and indeed unfortunate about the business matters

MickyDolenz said:

Shango said:

Good that Sugar Hill gave the ladies their shine

That's about all Sylvia Robinson gave them, because she always found ways to not pay the acts on her label.

Yeah she hardly paid her acts. Many of Sugar Hill's acts complain to this day about that.

Timmy84 said:

Getting slightly back on subject and to seriously answer the question on "can we call Sequence the first ladies of rap?" Well I'll put it to you like this:

Lots of the early rap icons came at a time when rap wasn't even taken seriously, even though you had pioneers like Grandmaster Flash and Kurtis Blow and 'em, people thought it would just "go away". They didn't know it would grow overtime.

And that brings to mind the arrivals of Run-DMC and Salt 'n' Pepa becoming the cornerstones of that. This is when history revisionists would then prove these groups were THE first to do anything mainstream when that's not entirely true.

Rap albums came out before Run-DMC's and YES there were female emcees BEFORE Salt 'n' Pepa. What gives those groups the advantage they have is they had a lot more to work with in the labels and people they were associated with then the artists who worked with earlier labels like Sugarhill (which the Sequence and the Funky Four + One were a part of) and Enjoy (where there were some solo female rappers prior to Roxanne Shante and MC Lyte).

And of course if you think about it, though, women weren't taken seriously before Salt 'n' Pepa though there were few inclusions like I just mentioned. Classic hip-hop (1979-1982) however gets a cold shoulder most of the time from the same community that it still benefits from so I can get why people will be like "really? How are they pioneers?" But I think they are.

But it's all good, it's all good.

It's funny, this discussion reminds me of the whole Black Christmas/Halloween debut. For the general public, Halloween is the original slasher flick yet Black Christmas was released years prior with a very similar plot and execution. Sure, to the geeks, the first is Black Christmas but to rest of the world, it's Halloween. So every year, the mainstream media makes a big deal about Halloween (during this season) and poor old Black Christmas is ignored.

I was watching The View today and they were recapping the decades and while they only mentioned Run-DMC and Sugarhill Gang, if a female act gets mentioned, we all know it's gonna be Salt N Pepa.

In the end, I like that the org is kinda geek music central at times....When the Janet, Kyle, Prince, Madonna and MJ threads are at bay.

sosgemini said:

I was watching The View today and they were recapping the decades and while they only mentioned Run-DMC and Sugarhill Gang, if a female act gets mentioned, we all know it's gonna be Salt N Pepa.

The View is mainstream America, so of course they're only going to mention Run-DMC and Sugarhill Gang. They crossed over to the white audience, Run-DMC in particular, and so did Salt 'N Pepa. The other acts were mostly known only to the black audience. It's like the mainstream media says that Run-DMC is the 1st rap act to have a platinum album, when it was really Whodini. Whodini's music never crossed over to pop Top 40 radio, so they're unknown.

MickyDolenz said:

sosgemini said:

I was watching The View today and they were recapping the decades and while they only mentioned Run-DMC and Sugarhill Gang, if a female act gets mentioned, we all know it's gonna be Salt N Pepa.

The View is mainstream America, so of course they're only going to mention Run-DMC and Sugarhill Gang. They crossed over to the white audience, Run-DMC in particular, and so did Salt 'N Pepa. The other acts were mostly known only to the black audience. It's like the mainstream media says that Run-DMC is the 1st rap act to have a platinum album, when it was really Whodini. Whodini's music never crossed over to pop Top 40 radio, so they're unknown.

Exactly.

Cinnie said:

Shango

ECHO THAT!

allsmutaside said:

Cinnie said:

Shango

ECHO THAT!

thanks again

Timmy84 said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Apparently, y'all have FORGOTTEN that SaltNPepa ARE the First Ladies of HipHop for a motherfucking reason!

But that's alright.

Right now, I'm getting myself ready to head to DC to restore some damn Sanity to this country and I feel like having some fun!

Im'a party till I see the sun rise!

Gitty Up

.

[Edited 10/28/10 17:58pm]

EH!

Lemme stop you right there.

I know we're probably about the same age but I got some news for you, not even SNP can be credited as being the "first ladies", these girls were:

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The Sequence

(Though they were also singing R&B, they also had several rap hits like "Funk You Up", that song was later covered by Dr. Dre. )

Of course when the "new school rap" of Run DMC and them came around, that's when Salt 'N' Pepa (originally Super Nature) came into the picture lol

[Edited 10/28/10 18:01pm]

The dark-skinned sista in The Sequence is Angie Stone. She would change from doing hip-hop/rap to neo-soul.