TRON said:

errant said:

who asked ya!

No one, I spose. She did, I guess. She just pushes all the wrong buttons for me.

well when I say I love her, it's in a theoretical way. I LOVE a few of her songs. but I don't watch TV or listen to the radio or go to concerts so I don't participate in any of the venues that she channels her spectacle through.

I like the idea of her. at least there's someone doing something. anything. and she's got something to say and because of a talent and a relatively positive image and message. I missed that a lot as the old icons have faded away and the new ones were the Lindsay's & the Britney's & Paris's and the other trainwrecks famous for having drug-induced meltdown or their 15th consecutive crotch-shot.

so when I say I love her, it means "good for her. which other one of those numbnuts that still bothers to show up was going to do something to spice up the VMA's?"

Shawnt27 said:

If Bjork is watching this somewhere, she must be thinking: "You think you're crazy Gaga? I'll show you crazy!"

http://grapevine.is/Featu...rk-Feature

midiscover said:

Timmy84 said:

You know hours before I knew that Gaga had done something like this, I was at Twitter and one of my friends had retweeted a comment, supposedly by Cher, about what is going on now. Now looking at it... I'm not sure if I agree that Gaga's meat dress would bring any healthy discussion. She's clearly got on a lot of people's nerves over this.

What did Cher say?

Cher says:

modern art elicits discussion, introspection & conflict ! Everyone's talking about it! BINGO !

"Dressed To Grill"

4:30. She gives the meaning behind the outfit

This almost makes me want to be a vegetarian. But it's still tastless.

ViintageJunkiie said:

4:30. She gives the meaning behind the outfit

Was just about to post this. I was right with my guess about the meaning, she said it specifically "I AM NOT A PIECE OF MEAT" - her statements are always about bringing power to places where there isn't much, how often does anyone actually question what they see on the front of a magazine? We simply take what's handed to us - but Gaga always makes us go "Wait? WTF is this??" LOVE it.

@ anyone who thinks it's real meat, though, ffs grown a brain.

errant said:

Shawnt27 said:

If Bjork is watching this somewhere, she must be thinking: "You think you're crazy Gaga? I'll show you crazy!"

http://grapevine.is/Featu...rk-Feature

ON BEING SAVED BY PARIS HILTON

-You are working with all these people and singing their praises. All of them have made some stunning music, but none seem to have breached the mainstream like you did. None of them have had a top forty hit. Have times changed since you came up? Are the masses harder to reach?

One day, the internet showed up and changed everything. All of our yardsticks are in flux. A band like Dirty Projectors can be called big on the Pitchfork scale—but it maybe doesn’t translate to physical copies sold. Things are different now. The posters are hung in other places. We are still figuring out how to define ‘success’ in this day and age. When the last Animal Collective album was released, they were on the covers of all the magazines in New York, and they won ‘record of the year’ everywhere. Isn’t that success? I don´t know ...

I think these are exciting times; we are inventing our own definitions of success. Both in terms of record sales, but also these... these Lady GaGa moments that keep popping up. She is the first superstar of our time. She maybe isn’t doing anything new or interesting musically, but she still is a very interesting character. She has individual style.

I’m no musicologist or specialist in pop matters, but it seems to me that everything was perfectly aligned for her to make her appearance. And I feel that a similar thing happened—albeit in an entirely different way, with a different outcome—for me when I released ‘Post’. All these different factors lined up to make it as big as it could get.

I can’t judge how it happened, though—I am too involved with it to do that. There are probably several reasons. Instrumental electronic music had been around for a while then, all these introverted electronic scenes, like Acid House, were dominant and upcoming, but it lacked all narrative and all lyrics. There was a big hunger for that when I lived in London. People would say: "This is great music, but where are the songs?" Songs, not as in techno songs, but songs with stories and refrains and choruses. They were missing. That was one of the hoops we passed through...

-You’re saying the environment that young musicians face these days, especially in regards to the media, is totally different from what you experienced? And still in formation?

This populism that has followed globalisation and the internet, it is so crazy. People are gagging on it. Like how they treat Britney Spears. She can’t exit a cab without panties without close-up shots of her crotch being spread all over the internet five minutes later. This is vulgar. People do not want to participate in this. I can imagine people that are in their early twenties now and maybe releasing their first records not wanting any part in this atmosphere.

I think people are more and more starting to bypass these places, this sphere that has been created by the tabloid newspapers and gossip websites. Media gossip has changed so much since I was young. It’s so pervasive and dominant. Amy Winehouse leaves a club, five minutes later there are clips of her throwing up on YouTube.

When... [makes an old woman voice] when I was young, being a ‘celebrity’ really only consisted of one thing. You got invited to these premieres or charity events, and if you were interested or curious you went along and got photographed on the red carpet. You maybe gave an interview, posed for some photos and then you were done.

Now, we’re facing quite a different situation. A whole new league has been created, this Paris Hilton league, with her and Lindsay Lohan and others. I was actually pretty grateful when this new media culture appeared. It meant people like myself and Radiohead—people that would rather focus on making the music and didn’t want to participate in the whole celebrity package—could leave the stage to these new people. Sheesh! What a relief! I experienced it when a bit when I was living on Warwick Avenue in England, with forty photographers camping in my backyard, stocked with zoom lenses and stuff. I cannot thrive in that environment, and that’s why I backed out of it. And I was lucky, as soon as I got totally sick of it, the internet and this new league of celebrity fascination came along, these people like Paris that were really craving the attention.

They saved us.

-Like celebrity martyrs, hanging on their cross to set the rest of you free?

Exactly. And this is maybe causing a lot of the music websites and outlets that cover new music to not focus on the persons behind it so much. They’re not publishing crotch shots of Animal Collective all the time.

People are exercising their freedom to choose. They can choose this way, or the other. And I like that.

That’s certainly a refreshing way to look at it. Every time I go online and see all these news sites turning into sleazy gossip blogs I feel disheartened. It is a lot nicer to think that the über-gossip is isolating itself, and those interested can take care of it.

Yes, not pretend I know everything again, but in my experience: You have a choice. I got caught up in the whole celebrity gossip ride, and I had a choice. I simply chose not to participate. I did have to move to another country, but I chose to do that.

TRON said:

I honestly can't take anymore. Fuck that bitch.

I totally agree. I can't stand this person. She's a media-whore and it won't be long before people wise up and realize that she's just in it for the attention and doesn't give a rats ass about real music. I try to avoid her as much as possible.

I STILL don't get what a meat dress has to do with "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"...forgive me if I'm out of the loop, here.

If I was her designer, I woulda done a tricked out military uniform or somethin' like that.

I tried. And I can't. Nail in coffin.

MyNameIsPiper said:

I STILL don't get what a meat dress has to do with "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"...forgive me if I'm out of the loop, here.

If I was her designer, I woulda done a tricked out military uniform or somethin' like that.

Well according to Gaga, the dress was to say that she wasn't a piece of meat. So go for what you know.

It's called getting attention and even getting people to create threads about you on Prince message boards...she is manipulating you and you fell right into it.

Rub it down with some salt & pepper, some thyme, paprika, sage, chop some scallions, onions, bell peppers, celery and carrots. Throw it all in a gigantic pot with about 5 gallons of water and let it simmer ... mmm!

Well at least no one's talking about Taylor Swift and Kanye.

I think it´s sick and I don´t care what type of comment she´s trying to make with this.

I didn´t see the interview cause the video is not available anymore, but "I AM NOT A PIECE OF MEAT" statement is ridiculous whatever she meant by that. If what she means by that is that people are looking at women as sexual objects than maybe she shouldn´t act like a "w***e walking around almost naked. If she had class, people wouldn´t say that. If she meant something else, than I am apologize for this statement, but it´s ridiculous.

OH CRAP! I don't watch these awards shows because I hate mainstream popular music but I thought it was a dress with images of meat. I didn't realize it was real meat! OMG, she has meat high heels!

purplesweat said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

4:30. She gives the meaning behind the outfit

Was just about to post this. I was right with my guess about the meaning, she said it specifically "I AM NOT A PIECE OF MEAT" - her statements are always about bringing power to places where there isn't much, how often does anyone actually question what they see on the front of a magazine? We simply take what's handed to us - but Gaga always makes us go "Wait? WTF is this??" LOVE it.

@ anyone who thinks it's real meat, though, ffs grown a brain.

OK, you think that she wouldn't actually go the lengths of wearing real meat?! It's not like it's a stretch of imagination not to put it past her

P2daP said:

Lady GaGa's reps are say it's real meat...

http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/14/so-about-lady-gagas-meat-dress/

[Edited 9/14/10 19:52pm]

Of course they are gonna say it's real meat. Anything to get Lady Gaga more attention.

They didn't need to tell me but British news reported it as fake. Of course it was fake.

I'll take someone wearing fake meat over real fur any day.

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[Edited 9/15/10 11:02am]

Timmy84 said:

This is as believable as people thinking the blood she had on last year's VMAs was real and it wasn't, she obviously poured wine or fake blood on her after getting off of the piano.

if you look closely...it's fabric colored to resemble meat. The only thing is I don't think she can top the meat dress....other than showing up to a shoot or concert in the nude and Badu and Macy already did that. Heck...Grace Jones did it long time ago.

Attention at all cost........and completely pointless.

purplesweat said:

@ anyone who thinks it's real meat, though, ffs grown a brain.

yeah that is what I'm thinking. Though people are claiming it's real meat, I doubt Cher would be hugging her that closely!

Have to say, if she is "not a piece of meat" then she should stop marketing herself as such

I bet her fans think it's "art" lmao

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And why the fuck is trying to become an ordained minister? She is going to turn into a joke sooner than she thinks.

DesireeNevermind said:

Timmy84 said:

This is as believable as people thinking the blood she had on last year's VMAs was real and it wasn't, she obviously poured wine or fake blood on her after getting off of the piano.

if you look closely...it's fabric colored to resemble meat. The only thing is I don't think she can top the meat dress....other than showing up to a shoot or concert in the nude and Badu and Macy already did that. Heck...Grace Jones did it long time ago.

All I got to say is: that a capella clip of "Born this Way" was intriguing, and well sung. I am eagerly anticipating the new album

=0P

I'm no fan of gaga but the chick has a nice voice. She's a better singer than half these pop tarts out here now.

all that meat still can't cover her ass?

Isn't her ass also meat?

This is a complete radical statement and I love radical statements. It was a fuck you to society and to pc liberals who can't take a joke. This is like Prince and his assless pants, sans meat.