It was a good year if you liked Usher I guess. But yeah far too much urban/ hip hop shit that yeah. I actually liked Drop it like its hot and Yeah.

2010 and 2007 are the most shite in my opinion. Kesha, Miley, Jonas, Lady Antebellum and Train theres some shite acts there.

purplesweat said:

That picture is really fucking unnecessary.

Anyway, I've always thought 2003 was a great year then it went downhill til Lady Gaga kicked some life back into the scene. I'm happy with pop at the moment (since 2009). I would go so far as to say MJ's passing also helped to reinvigorate some artists to try harder. But 2004-2008 really did suck, save for a few good songs here and there. I wasn't even listening to the radio in the end, now I can listen to it again.

1. It was the first thing that came to my mind regarding this topic, so I posted it.

2. It is such a despicable and cruel thing to force feed ducks, and reminding people with shocking pictures is not a bad thing...hopefully, this terrible method will soon be a thing of the past.

purplesweat said:

Anyway, I've always thought 2003 was a great year then it went downhill til Lady Gaga kicked some life back into the scene. I'm happy with pop at the moment (since 2009). I would go so far as to say MJ's passing also helped to reinvigorate some artists to try harder. But 2004-2008 really did suck, save for a few good songs here and there. I wasn't even listening to the radio in the end, now I can listen to it again.

Yeah yeah that's true, I strongly think that Lady GaGa and David Guetta (even if the latter didn't score any Nº1's) have reinvigorated mainstream radio; hey, I know many people here diss both artists as "shit-dance", but I like their singles

But 2010, so far, has been awful; in fact, I guess I will start another histrionic thread during Xmas, complaining about how crappy and disposable 2010 has been

It wasn't that bad to me.

At that point I stopped checking for billboard and switched to indie music, and 2004 gave me some good albums.

KoolEaze said:

Harlepolis said:

What the hell is going on in that picture?

They´re force feeding a goose.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foie_gras

Maybe it was on a hunger strkie.

2004 was bad because Usher was everywhere, but it's not like 2009-2010 was better. So what if there was more POP, I'd hardly call the hit factory of Dr Luke and Max Martin led by Ke$ha as so much better than "shit hop" or Gaga's annoying repeated hooks and Ace of Base rip offs. Neither stuff like "Boom boom pow" are any improvement from those 2004 hits. I understand some people have a knee jerk reaction anything that includes a rap and get excited for any 20-30 year old female singing a catchy chorus but let's not get carried away, pop music has had a lot of crap for a long time, including the 90s.

JoeTyler, I've seen that very same chart on wiki. The problem is the #1's stayed on top for so long, you don't get a very clear picture of what else was hot in 2004. And if you didn't like "Slow Jamz", "Yeah", "Burn", "My Boo", or whatever, then 2004 can look bleak.

I have memories to all those songs. I remember driving around in snow to "Drop It Like It's Hot". I remember being in one of my fave wrecka stows (closed since ) and hearing "Yeah" for the first time.

I thought it was pretty amazing how those songs had become "pop", but it was finally reflecting what was actually hot at the time - crunk music. No one was being force-fed anything. Those songs were fun.

Cinnie said:

JoeTyler,

those songs were fun.

JoeTyler said:

Cinnie said:

JoeTyler,

those songs were fun.

What are your memories of those songs? (Barring Juvenile's, they were all inescapable.)

Cinnie said:

JoeTyler said:

What are your memories of those songs? (Barring Juvenile's, they were all inescapable.)

I don't have memories of those songs. I've never liked modern hit-hop (shit-hop), and I stopped listening to the mainstream radio in, well, '04 but I didn't know shit-hop was THAT successful back in '04 and '05 The problem is: I've recently listened '04 Nº1 hits in a row, and the only great song was "Hey Ya". The other are disposable and just plain BAD.

Tik Tok, Just Dance, Hot & Cold, or SexyBitch "murder" any shit-hop "classic" of the 04-08 era...

hell, the only good shit-hop song I truly like is "In Da Club"; that one was good enough

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Well, my point wasn't whether the songs were bad or not, but they were popular for the time. You would be hard-pressed to convince me that most pop music is NOT disposible.

Radio aside, when did you start or stop partying?

JoeTyler said:

Tik Tok, Just Dance, Hot & Cold, or SexyBitch "murder" any shit-hop "classic" of the 04-08 era...

Ugh @ all those joints.

Cinnie said:

my point wasn't whether the songs were bad or not, but they were popular for the time. You would be hard-pressed to convince me that most pop music is NOT disposible.

Just take a look at the list of Nº1 hits of 1964 and you'll know what I mean

Party? What party? the 00s have been an awful time to party...

JoeTyler said:

Just take a look at the list of Nº1 hits of 1964 and you'll know what I mean

Party? What party? the 00s have been an awful time to party...

Why do you have to go back decades before our birth to make a point about "disposable pop music"? We already know that back then you only had a #1 hit for a couple weeks, then there was another one. I already told you the problem with 2004's list was that the #1's stayed on top so long, you can't really see at a glance what else was hot.

Considering the other music being recorded and released in 1964, there are definitely a handful of unplayable turds on 1964's list, as well as over-nostalgic songs that baby boomers commercialized to death.

Cinnie said:

JoeTyler said:

Just take a look at the list of Nº1 hits of 1964 and you'll know what I mean

Party? What party? the 00s have been an awful time to party...

Why do you have to go back decades before our birth to make a point about "disposable pop music"? We already know that back then you only had a #1 hit for a couple weeks, then there was another one. I already told you the problem with 2004's list was that the #1's stayed on top so long, you can't really see at a glance what else was hot.

Considering the other music being recorded and released in 1964, there are definitely a handful of unplayable turds on 1964's list, as well as over-nostalgic songs that baby boomers commercialized to death.

This thread IS about NUMBER ONES and POP HITS. And as I've said, 2004 features the WORST Nº1 hits of all time . Period. Cheap, unfunny, disposable songs. I know, as I've said before, that some great albums were released during 2004. But many great singles didn't even crack the top50 because mainstream audiences were only interested in shot-hop and shit-dance. the best rock single of 2004, F.Ferdinand's "Take Me Out" didn't even crack the top100. Hell, I'm sure that not even "Smells Like Teen Spirit" would have cracked the top50 had it been released in 2004...

This is what this thread is about: the dictatorship of shit-hop, fans of shit-hop and the execs who sold their taste & reason and embraced cynism & shit-hop with open arms. I'm sure that any exec of Sony, Universal or whatever would tell you, in private, that "Usher is a disgrace, but hey, the boy sells, so..." Shit-hop overshadowed everything else in 2004, 2005 and 2006, and that's the end of pop music & mainstream radio in my book...

That's why I've said that Billboard Top 200 IS DEAD. The murderers were shit-hop artists, shit-hop fans and people who thought those songs were fun

JoeTyler said:

Cheap, unfunny, disposable songs.

You've just described "Tik Tok" & "Just Dance". I don't see how anyone can use those songs to prove pop music is in a better place now. Would be the same thing if you cited Diane Warren penned number ones from the 90s, it's just as ridiculous. It's all pop music, meant for the same thing. So what if you don't like it when pop has more rap? Like Cinnie said, in 2004 it happened those songs stayed for the longest at number one but it doesn't mean the previous or the next years had less hip hop stuff. It's also pointless to be upset about what dictatorship is present among the execs and radio stations because a lot of people would say the same about Ke$ha to you and will complain why Sheryl Crow won't be playlisted.

JoeTyler said:

Cinnie said:

Why do you have to go back decades before our birth to make a point about "disposable pop music"? We already know that back then you only had a #1 hit for a couple weeks, then there was another one. I already told you the problem with 2004's list was that the #1's stayed on top so long, you can't really see at a glance what else was hot.

Considering the other music being recorded and released in 1964, there are definitely a handful of unplayable turds on 1964's list, as well as over-nostalgic songs that baby boomers commercialized to death.

This thread IS about NUMBER ONES and POP HITS. And as I've said, 2004 features the WORST Nº1 hits of all time . Period. Cheap, unfunny, disposable songs. I know, as I've said before, that some great albums were released during 2004. But many great singles didn't even crack the top50 because mainstream audiences were only interested in shot-hop and shit-dance. the best rock single of 2004, F.Ferdinand's "Take Me Out" didn't even crack the top100. Hell, I'm sure that not even "Smells Like Teen Spirit" would have cracked the top50 had it been released in 2004...

This is what this thread is about: the dictatorship of shit-hop, fans of shit-hop and the execs who sold their taste & reason and embraced cynism & shit-hop with open arms. I'm sure that any exec of Sony, Universal or whatever would tell you, in private, that "Usher is a disgrace, but hey, the boy sells, so..." Shit-hop overshadowed everything else in 2004, 2005 and 2006, and that's the end of pop music & mainstream radio in my book...

That's why I've said that Billboard Top 200 IS DEAD. The murderers were shit-hop artists, shit-hop fans and people who thought those songs were fun

Correction: rock is dead

LiveToTell86 said:

JoeTyler said:

Cheap, unfunny, disposable songs.

You've just described "Tik Tok" & "Just Dance". I don't see how anyone can use those songs to prove pop music is in a better place now. Would be the same thing if you cited Diane Warren penned number ones from the 90s, it's just as ridiculous. It's all pop music, meant for the same thing. So what if you don't like it when pop has more rap? Like Cinnie said, in 2004 it happened those songs stayed for the longest at number one but it doesn't mean the previous or the next years had less hip hop stuff. It's also pointless to be upset about what dictatorship is present among the execs and radio stations because a lot of people would say the same about Ke$ha to you and will complain why Sheryl Crow won't be playlisted.

Although I don't think JoeTyler is concerned about Sheryl Crow either

Anyway, 2004 wasn't great for mainstream rock either. I would rather see Fat Joe topping the charts than "Figured You Out" by Nickelback.

Cinnie said:

Although I don't think JoeTyler is concerned about Sheryl Crow either

Just a random example from the top of my head, I know she's flopping bigtime while Taio Cruz, Eminem & Katy Perry are the only things radio is playing now.

List of Number One Rock Hits, 2004

• January 3 - Linkin Park - "Numb" - 3 weeks
• January 24 - Nickelback - "Figured You Out" - 13 weeks
• April 24 - Jet - "Cold Hard Bitch" - 8 weeks
• June 19 - Velvet Revolver - "Slither" - 9 weeks
• August 21 - Three Days Grace - "Just Like You" - 3 weeks
• September 11 - Linkin Park - "Breaking the Habit" - 3 weeks
• October 2 - Velvet Revolver - "Fall to Pieces" - 11 weeks
• December 18 - Chevelle - "Vitamin R (Leading Us Along)" - 2 weeks

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ates)#2004

Cinnie said:

List of Number One Rock Hits, 2004

• January 3 - Linkin Park - "Numb" - 3 weeks
• January 24 - Nickelback - "Figured You Out" - 13 weeks
• April 24 - Jet - "Cold Hard Bitch" - 8 weeks
• June 19 - Velvet Revolver - "Slither" - 9 weeks
• August 21 - Three Days Grace - "Just Like You" - 3 weeks
• September 11 - Linkin Park - "Breaking the Habit" - 3 weeks
• October 2 - Velvet Revolver - "Fall to Pieces" - 11 weeks
• December 18 - Chevelle - "Vitamin R (Leading Us Along)" - 2 weeks

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ates)#2004

If this is what shit-hop murdered, then

JoeTyler said:

But many great singles didn't even crack the top50 because mainstream audiences were only interested in shot-hop and shit-dance. the best rock single of 2004, F.Ferdinand's "Take Me Out" didn't even crack the top100. Hell, I'm sure that not even "Smells Like Teen Spirit" would have cracked the top50 had it been released in 2004...

Nothing in the mainstream rock chart of 2004) came close to offering a "Smells Like Teen Spirit", so...

2004 was indeed a terrible year, but for me it had nothing to do with music

JoeTyler said:

Cinnie said:

Why do you have to go back decades before our birth to make a point about "disposable pop music"? We already know that back then you only had a #1 hit for a couple weeks, then there was another one. I already told you the problem with 2004's list was that the #1's stayed on top so long, you can't really see at a glance what else was hot.

Considering the other music being recorded and released in 1964, there are definitely a handful of unplayable turds on 1964's list, as well as over-nostalgic songs that baby boomers commercialized to death.

This thread IS about NUMBER ONES and POP HITS. And as I've said, 2004 features the WORST Nº1 hits of all time . Period. Cheap, unfunny, disposable songs. I know, as I've said before, that some great albums were released during 2004. But many great singles didn't even crack the top50 because mainstream audiences were only interested in shot-hop and shit-dance. the best rock single of 2004, F.Ferdinand's "Take Me Out" didn't even crack the top100. Hell, I'm sure that not even "Smells Like Teen Spirit" would have cracked the top50 had it been released in 2004...

This is what this thread is about: the dictatorship of shit-hop, fans of shit-hop and the execs who sold their taste & reason and embraced cynism & shit-hop with open arms. I'm sure that any exec of Sony, Universal or whatever would tell you, in private, that "Usher is a disgrace, but hey, the boy sells, so..." Shit-hop overshadowed everything else in 2004, 2005 and 2006, and that's the end of pop music & mainstream radio in my book...

That's why I've said that Billboard Top 200 IS DEAD. The murderers were shit-hop artists, shit-hop fans and people who thought those songs were fun

I think it died a bit before and has been dead ever since. I think every year now is becoming a whos hot this week/month/year type thing, but honestly i havent looked at a singles chart in a long time and not said "what the fuck song is that" it used to be part of my job to know every piece of shit that came down the line, but that is the one thing i DONT MISS, getting bombarded with shit 24/7, and having a rep say "this is the new thing". This is why i stick with my "artists" that still record new music, and have my own chart.

errant said:

2004 was indeed a terrible year, but for me it had nothing to do with music

Same here. The Red Sox won the World Series!

I love Usher, but can't stand the song "Yeah". Maybe the lil Jon element turned me off. Felt like I was the only person in America circa 2004 who didn't like that song. Love "Caught Up" though.

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KemiVA said:

I love Usher, but can't stand the song "Yeah". Maybe the lil Jon element turned me off. Felt like I was the only person in America circa 2004 who didn't like that song. Love "Caught Up" though.

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Shit, you weren't alone. I fucking hated that stupid ass song. And Confessions and Let It Burn was just as annoying.

2004 was awful!!!!

And how can you forget Justin Timberlake and Janet too

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I liked most of those songs when they came out. Still like some of them.