Grill's choreo is getting worse with each and every performance. I can't take all this stiff drag moves he makes Janet and her dancers do. I miss the graceful feminine moves with the right touch of masculinity. It used to balance out. Now everything is just so out of place! The dancing isn't for a superstar entertainer. I wouldn't even call it dancing. It's horrible. What's up with the random poses every 5 seconds?

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Shit she STILL doing this s&m shit she been doing since .... 1993????

I swear some artists just lose plain sight on...

...i can't

bye

trueiopian said:

Grill's choreo is getting worse with each and every performance. I can't take all this stiff drag moves he makes Janet and her dancers do. I miss the graceful feminine moves with the right touch of masculinity. It used to balance out. Now everything is just so out of place! The dancing isn't for a superstar entertainer. I wouldn't even call it dancing. It's horrible. What's up with the random poses every 5 seconds?

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That's why I can't enjoy Janet performances fully like I used to. Gil's so boring.

hmmm, interesting. that'd be good for Jan if the Nothing song gets some Oscar buzz (and wins) no other song thus far to my knowledge has gotten airplay and chart success from a film this year.

trueiopian said:

Grill's choreo is getting worse with each and every performance. I can't take all this stiff drag moves he makes Janet and her dancers do. I miss the graceful feminine moves with the right touch of masculinity. It used to balance out. Now everything is just so out of place! The dancing isn't for a superstar entertainer. I wouldn't even call it dancing. It's horrible. What's up with the random poses every 5 seconds?

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Totally agree! She needs a new choregrapher and creative director.

datdude said:

hmmm, interesting. that'd be good for Jan if the Nothing song gets some Oscar buzz (and wins) no other song thus far to my knowledge has gotten airplay and chart success from a film this year.

Puhleaseeeee.

But if this miracle were to happen - I would cry! Janet deserved the Oscar for 'Again'. Oh and FYI the 'Best Original Song' category isn't based off popularity. If so Janet's 'Nothing' won't be nominated. Either way, I highly doubt it even will. It's very sub-par.

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Timmy84 said:

trueiopian said:

Grill's choreo is getting worse with each and every performance. I can't take all this stiff drag moves he makes Janet and her dancers do. I miss the graceful feminine moves with the right touch of masculinity. It used to balance out. Now everything is just so out of place! The dancing isn't for a superstar entertainer. I wouldn't even call it dancing. It's horrible. What's up with the random poses every 5 seconds?

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That's why I can't enjoy Janet performances fully like I used to. Gil's so boring.

I feel ya. I think she needs someone that understands she's a 44 year old FEMALE. She should've just fired him after the SB stunt.

trueiopian said:

Timmy84 said:

That's why I can't enjoy Janet performances fully like I used to. Gil's so boring.

I feel ya. I think she needs someone that understands she's a 44 year old FEMALE. She should've just fired him after the SB stunt.

Yeah it's like everything Gil does makes Janet look like a copycat rather than unique (and that she is, unique, but it seems Gil doesn't truly understand that fully). I still don't get why she hired him to begin with...

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LOL! She hired him because he's her bff

He's horrible. He really makes her look bad. I miss the pre-AFY Janet

midiscover said:

LOL! She hired him because he's her bff

He's horrible. He really makes her look bad. I miss the pre-AFY Janet

Best friend forever my testicle, fire him!

I agree, she should look to a new choreographer. He was good at first but his stuff is becoming stale. The best routine he's ever done for her was All Nite (Don't Stop)

Janet Needs strong material , New creative choreographer....

The material is the most important , whispery albums full of hissy vocals ain't gonna help.

seeingvoices12 said:

Janet Needs strong material , New creative choreographer....

The material is the most important , whispery albums full of hissy vocals ain't gonna help.

If she'd let someone else do some dance steps besides fucking Gil Duldulado, she'd be doing better. His choreography sucks, and her videos etc have suffered from it. She needs Tina Landon or Terry Bixler, or Anthony Thomas again. Those guys are great. I know the Tina thing will never happen again, but they DID dance together for the MJ tribute on MTV (which shocked the shit outta me).

For those who don't know: Thomas as the dude who did the RN1814 era choreography. Bixler was one of her dancers, a choreographer in his own right, and is noted for putting together the "chair routine" at the end of the "Miss U Much" video (he and Thomas were the two fellows behind Janet in that segment).

Of course Tina's been around since the Control days as a dancer. She's in the "What Have You Done For Me Lately?" video.

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ernestsewell said:

seeingvoices12 said:

Janet Needs strong material , New creative choreographer....

The material is the most important , whispery albums full of hissy vocals ain't gonna help.

If she'd let someone else do some dance steps besides fucking Gil Duldulado, she'd be doing better. His choreography sucks, and her videos etc have suffered from it. She needs Tina Landon or Terry Bixler, or Anthony Thomas again. Those guys are great. I know the Tina thing will never happen again, but they DID dance together for the MJ tribute on MTV (which shocked the shit outta me).

For those who don't know: Thomas as the dude who did the RN1814 era choreography. Bixler was one of her dancers, a choreographer in his own right, and is noted for putting together the "chair routine" at the end of the "Miss U Much" video (he and Thomas were the two fellows behind Janet in that segment).

Of course Tina's been around since the Control days as a dancer. She's in the "What Have You Done For Me Lately?" video.

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Cool stuff. I remember Anthony Thomas, but didn't know about Terry Bixler. Although its kind of late, I thought I read recently that the little red head girl was starting to help with her choreography.... doesn't matter, since Gil probably still has to approve it anyway. Janet seems to be a really loyal friend or just can't bring herself to let Gil go, or both. (Although she didn't have a problem letting go that Puerto Rican chick from Omarion's, "Touch" video. Maybe she likes how different his style is versus everyone elses. idk. Knowing Janet, she probably doesn't want her dance to remotely look like anyone else. Seems like a lot of those popular choreographers work for most of the popular artist. Sort of a revolving door for dance choreographers. I'm sure there's plenty of untapped talent out there just waiting on the opportunity.

I too will join the chrous for a new guy or girl for her to collaborate with. Most of her supporters are all singing the same song, from what I can tell. Most seem to miss hot, "memorable" dance moves. Time for her to set new trends in dance again.

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ernestsewell said:

seeingvoices12 said:

Janet Needs strong material , New creative choreographer....

The material is the most important , whispery albums full of hissy vocals ain't gonna help.

If she'd let someone else do some dance steps besides fucking Gil Duldulado, she'd be doing better. His choreography sucks, and her videos etc have suffered from it. She needs Tina Landon or Terry Bixler, or Anthony Thomas again. Those guys are great. I know the Tina thing will never happen again, but they DID dance together for the MJ tribute on MTV (which shocked the shit outta me).

For those who don't know: Thomas as the dude who did the RN1814 era choreography. Bixler was one of her dancers, a choreographer in his own right, and is noted for putting together the "chair routine" at the end of the "Miss U Much" video (he and Thomas were the two fellows behind Janet in that segment).

Of course Tina's been around since the Control days as a dancer. She's in the "What Have You Done For Me Lately?" video.

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I agree. Thomas and Bixler provided some of the best choreography she's ever done. This is Terry Bixler on the right (and Rene Elizondo on the far left) as one of the dancing bums in "Nasty."

and of course there's Barry Lather, who choreographed "The Pleasure Principle." He was in "Nasty" too

Terry Bixler's chair routine from "Miss You Much" is still awesome today, as well as all of the choreography from that era. Tina Landon provided the more feminie, yet still iconic, dance moves for Janet. Either of them would be a welcome change from Gil.

LOL! So many of her fans want Tina back! Idk why she just doesn't bring her back. I remember on Tina's website, when people kept bugging her about Janet she said that she's not the boss and etc. so she's not the one to make decisions. It's Janet choice whether she wants her back in the picture or not. In the making of the VMAS tribute Janet said when she was talking with Tina on the floor that she missed the old days. If she doesn't want Tina. She should consider Laurie Ann. I like her choreo with Lady Gaga -

http://vimeo.com/12564599

So genius and very expressive.

NO ONE is checking for Gil! the only other artist/group he worked for is Danity Kane and even that was because P. Diddy is obsessed with everything Janet. After Tina worked for Janet she had many, many artists/dancers begging to work with her.

and is it just me or is her new 'Kids' slow and very average looking? I hate to be negative but it is what it is.

After Tina and Janet's fallout, they won't work together again.

You never know...

Anything's possible. Weird things HAVE happened you know?

midiscover said:

You never know...

I don't know, man. It was pretty bitter. Janet wrote stuff like "You Ain't Right", "Trust A Try", and "Son of A Gun" about Tina. Tina did her little album and wrote stuff about Jackson, so I think it's ovah, unfortunately. I'd like to see her back.

ernestsewell said:

midiscover said:

You never know...

I don't know, man. It was pretty bitter. Janet wrote stuff like "You Ain't Right", "Trust A Try", and "Son of A Gun" about Tina. Tina did her little album and wrote stuff about Jackson, so I think it's ovah, unfortunately. I'd like to see her back.

Yeah it seems like the split was real nasty... well not seems, it was.

trueiopian said:

LOL! So many of her fans want Tina back! Idk why she just doesn't bring her back. I remember on Tina's website, when people kept bugging her about Janet she said that she's not the boss and etc. so she's not the one to make decisions. It's Janet choice whether she wants her back in the picture or not. In the making of the VMAS tribute Janet said when she was talking with Tina on the floor that she missed the old days. If she doesn't want Tina. She should consider Laurie Ann. I like her choreo with Lady Gaga -

http://vimeo.com/12564599

So genius and very expressive.

NO ONE is checking for Gil! the only other artist/group he worked for is Danity Kane and even that was because P. Diddy is obsessed with everything Janet. After Tina worked for Janet she had many, many artists/dancers begging to work with her.

and is it just me or is her new 'Kids' slow and very average looking? I hate to be negative but it is what it is.

Yea, I like some of Laurie Ann's work. She's very hit and miss though lol I want Janet back with Tina too but I doubt it will ever happen. Or even Shawnette but they got in a fight too lmao ugh! Her new female dancers aren't sexy nor attractive at all. Blah.

Timmy84 said:

ernestsewell said:

I don't know, man. It was pretty bitter. Janet wrote stuff like "You Ain't Right", "Trust A Try", and "Son of A Gun" about Tina. Tina did her little album and wrote stuff about Jackson, so I think it's ovah, unfortunately. I'd like to see her back.

Yeah it seems like the split was real nasty... well not seems, it was.

Girls fightin' over boys.

ernestsewell said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah it seems like the split was real nasty... well not seems, it was.

Girls fightin' over boys.

As Chris Rock said, the #1 reason why women don't rule the world.

"You have two girlfriends, been friends for over 25 years, put a man between them, 'fuck that bitch!', 'FUCK THAT BITCH!'"

Essence article:

Janet Damita Jo Jackson is a woman with an obvious fondness for the worlds of cameras and make-believe. In our rendention of Before Sunset the veritable triple threat takes a star turn as a stunning socialite on a clandestine rendevous with an impossibly sexy polo player, played by the equally stunning Adam Rodriguez. Why Rodriguez? Well, to understand that you's have to understand where Janet is at this point in her life. " I'm so fortunate," she coos in a voice so honeyed it gives license to use the word mellifluous. "I'm a free agent. I'm not trapped in a contract where I'm unhappy. I'm very free, and I love this feeling. I can do whatever I want."

And what Janet wanted, in this case atleast, was the 35-year-old Bronx Cuban and Butter Rican heartthrob of CSI: Miami fame. When Rodriguez heard Janet had requested him to play her love interest on our shoot, he was beyond flattered. On meeting her, he says she has a "genuine sweetness. It's a beautiful thing to see someone with that kind of lifelong success hold on to something that most people lose so easily when put in the spotlight." Malik Yoba, her costar in both Why did I get married films, echos that sentiment. "Janet is a pleasure to work with," says Yoba. This is one of those compliments that could be considered and innocous throwaway, until you consider the timing: Jackson returned to the set of Why did I get married too? just one day after shouldering the unbearable weight of burying her brother Michael. "She still managed to be really engaging," Yoba states. "She spent a lot of time in her trailer when we weren't on set. And I think, given the circumstances, that's understandable."

These days Jackson is using that legendary work ethic to focus on her acting career. This one's been a little tricky to pull off. Her early TV appearances are seen as a resume glitch-bumps on the road that preceded her more that 20-year stint as a 100 times platinum, multiple award-winning recording artist. Let me put that in context. Jackson's control, Rythm Nation 1814 and Janet. established the singer-dancer imprimatur standard in pop culture we now take for granted.

SO when you're thinking of asking Miss Jackson, "What have you done for me lately?" remember that Briteny, Ciara and Beyonce live in the house that Janet built. But she has since moved on, and that's even more obvious now. With turns in Tyler Perry's why Did I...and it's sequal (which is out this month on DVD/Blu-ray), Janet continues to refine those acting abilities she displayed early on in the tole of the ever affable hood tween Penny on Good times. Next January she shares the screen with heavyweaight talents Kerry Washington and Kimberly Elice in perry's highlt anticipated film adaption of Ntzoke Shangs FCGWHCSWTRIE-otherwise known as the Holy Grail of rites of passage plays for an entire generation of black women. It's a move that finally should reestablish Jackson as what she is: a veteran thespian who also happened to sell more that 100 million records.

Of course, the cynical among us are bound to see Jackson's decision to focus on her acting as the default move, a necessary image rebranding after the lackluster sales of her last album, Discipline, which failed to even go gold. But-and this is the delicious thing about the 44-year-old Jackson -she really is busy enjoying the sweet spot of her power decade to give a SHIT about haters. "Why can't each and every project live up to it's own standard?" She questions calmly. "Why does this film that Steven Spielberg made have to have bigger numbers than the last? I mean, if it does, great but still, judge it for itself instead of this "You have to do better and better."

"That's that 40ish," she says, chuckling at her reasoned perspective. "There comes a time when you don't give an eff what people say or think. You just do your thing because it's finally about you, and not in a selfish way but in a great way." For the record, she is, at least by the estimation of those who swear a woman in her forties is well past the age of desreability, defying all kinds of convention. In addtion to doing two back-to-back films, Janet has been spotted in the tabs with a short new do and a handsome boo, Wissam Al Mana, a Quatari, who is almost a decade her junior-a fact that would never get any mentions at all if Janet were a man. "It's horrible. It's really awful," she says. "and I have to believe it was a man who started that. Mother always raised us to believe that age was just a number. All of us-my sisters, brothers-we'll just tell you our ages because it's all about where you are mentally and how you feel about yourself."

To be sure, Jackson has no intention of limiting her dreams based on anybody elses expectations. Music is still very much a part of her mix-she headlined the sixteenth annual Essence Music Festival in New Orleans, and "Nothing" the song she sang and helped compose for Why did I get Married too? sound track landed on the urban adult contemporary and Jazz charts. And True You (Karen Hunter Publications), a self-help tome that peppers diet and exercise tips with anecdotes from Jackson's life on her hard-earned and now unassailable self-esteem, hits the shelves this fall. The book reveals that those assaults on her self-esteem came early.

"When I was doing Good Times they wanted me to bind my chest. I started developing at a young age. They didn't tell me that they were going to do this. They just did it as I was getting dressed for the first show. So under the little sweatshirt, that Band-Aid is wrapped around my chest to make me look flatter. That plays tricks here," she says, pointing to her head. "You're an innocent kid, and you immediately start thinking how you look naturally isn't good enough. It really effected me. Up until now. I wanted to write this book because I wanted kids to have something to read and know that they are beautiful as they are."

This aura of self-acceptance makes her content to write the script to her very own life. "It took me a good minute to get here. It really did. But I love my life. I only wish I had this confidence when I was younger." She thinks about this for a long minute and flashes that trademark Jackson smile. "Then again, everything happens for a reason," she says with a laugh. "Maybe thats why it didn't hit me then. I'd probably have been hell on wheels if it had"

Yasss!!

trueiopian said:

remember that Briteny, Ciara and Beyonce live in the house that Janet built.

midiscover said:

Yasss!!

trueiopian said:

remember that Briteny, Ciara and Beyonce live in the house that Janet built.

and she looks just as young as those chicks...

CHIC0 said:

Janet Jackson's Essence Music Festival Style Screams Rihanna, Beyoncé, and Lady Gaga

by Mark Marino (Subscribe to Mark Marino's posts), Posted Jul 6th 2010 at 7:20PM

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Janet Jackson looking a little, um, familiar. Photo: Sean Gardner, Getty Images

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

That might have been the motto Janet Jackson had in mind when choosing her attire for the Essence Music Festival.

Wearing her hair in a newly cropped style, the 44-year-old "Nasty" girl channeled 20-something chart toppers Rihanna, Beyoncé, and Lady Gaga in a metallic gold futuristic corset, a skimpy sparkly leotard with fishnets, and gold knee pads just above her matching boots.

up with something, it's not a good thing. You have to express yourself and be the true you."

Janet is an innovator. The one who started all of this. She doesn't have to adapt their style of dress to be effective. That posted picture demonstrates "counter-influence". I hate that ugly leotard look. Sad that Janet felt that she had to adopt that style. She sets the trends, and not the other way around.