Reel said:

Timmy84 said:

And like Dag said the last thing I was thinking is that Mike was God. Mike would've told you he fucked up every now and then just not in the way some here think he would. Just because we choose to get pass all that personal drama doesn't mean our heads were in the sand. Matter of fact, we've had discussions about what he "should've done with his life" and it got to the point where I found myself judging him. I stop doing that prior to his death when he was getting ready for the tour. I don't know what trying to go back and forth about the guy's problems is gonna do in some of y'all trying to solve why Michael Jackson became who he became. Plus the more this goes on, the more trolls come in here to interrupt anything. But if you guys wanna turn this thread into a civil war, go on, just don't include me and some other folks in it who were tired of the bullshit long time ago.

Long live MJ. I'm out.

Timmy, I don't recall anybody trying to "pull you", or "include you" into any discussion about MJ's life. You've made it clear on where you stand regarding Michael, and you have the right to your feelings. For those who are saying things that you don't want to attend to....just don't read what they type. Skip over it. It would not bother me if you skip over what I type about Michael, because everything that I type is not going to always be flattering of him. But that does not mean that people (particularly myself) are going to stop typing what they feel because some people don't like what they are saying. As long as no one is attacking you or your opinion...then it really should not matter that people discuss some things about Michael that they found troubling.

Shoot my "real life" heroes get "dissed" all the time...and I mean really dissed...but hey, people are entitled to their opinions and I think nothing of it...and I move on because it doesn't matter what they think...all that matters is how I feel about the person. So instead of griping about what I type about Michael...just skip over "Reel's" posts. Those who wish to engage...will engage. Those who wish not to, won't.

But just because you feel the way that you do, it's not going to make people "fall in line" and not say how they feel about Michael.

And when those who engage start undressing you, you immediately tell them to skip your posts...which is exactly what you are telling Timmy.

I'll repeat so that you understand:

To those who don't want to be included in a discussion, you tell them to skip your posts.

To those who oppose your opinion with valid facts and arguments, you tell them to...skip your posts.

Basically, you only get along with people who operate just like you, who think just like you, who ignore what doesn't fit your immutable opinion.

Tell me someone who thinks Michael is God. Quote a post in which Michael is depicted as a God.

He had his deffects. What you don't understand Reel, is that you should stick to the FACTS to point the guy's deffects. Easy, isn't it? But, just like every other lightweight IQ, if anyone confronts you, you scream "I have my opinion and it won't change" or, obviously, "you think Michael is God".

Oh really? Give it up, Ree-Ree. Just give it up. You might deceive the more naive ones but, when confronted with someone who happens to have more than two brain cells, you get exposed.

EmeraldSkies said:

silverchild said:

You must be talking about this collection, which comes out October 5th of this year:

It's weird that the folks at Universal would use a 1978 Jacksons publicity photo for the Destiny album as the cover of the collection. I already have these albums so I definitely won't be buying it, but I'm glad that their first three albums are being reissued for those who missed out on the other reissues, which are out of print (including the excellent 2-for-1 CDs that Universal/Motown released in 2001).

Well I guess I won't be picking this up either,but I do need to get a copy of the ABC one. I bought the Japan reissues,and all they gave me was the cover for that album with a cardboard replica of the record in it.

Why do they even bother with giving you the cover if they are not going to provide the CD?

This set kind've reminds me of Columbia's Original Album Classics series...something just doesn't seem right about this.

EmeraldSkies said:

Well I guess I won't be picking this up either,but I do need to get a copy of the ABC one. I bought the Japan reissues,and all they gave me was the cover for that album with a cardboard replica of the record in it.

Why do they even bother with giving you the cover if they are not going to provide the CD?

dude, those Japanese reissues were twofers! the ABC album is on the same CD Diana Ross Presents... which has a total of 25 tracks.

s.

seeingvoices12 said:

Timmy84 said:

And like Dag said the last thing I was thinking is that Mike was God. Mike would've told you he fucked up every now and then just not in the way some here think he would. Just because we choose to get pass all that personal drama doesn't mean our heads were in the sand. Matter of fact, we've had discussions about what he "should've done with his life" and it got to the point where I found myself judging him. I stop doing that prior to his death when he was getting ready for the tour. I don't know what trying to go back and forth about the guy's problems is gonna do in some of y'all trying to solve why Michael Jackson became who he became. Plus the more this goes on, the more trolls come in here to interrupt anything. But if you guys wanna turn this thread into a civil war, go on, just don't include me and some other folks in it who were tired of the bullshit long time ago.

Long live MJ. I'm out.

Great post Love you timmy

Co-sign!

Marrk said:

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I cleaned this pic up, cause i thought it was pretty cool.

I had that poster!! My aunt won tickets to go see them during the Victory tour,and she brought it back for me. I have a picture somewhere of me,and a friend standing on both sides of it.

Good times.

harbars said:

EmeraldSkies said:

Well I guess I won't be picking this up either,but I do need to get a copy of the ABC one. I bought the Japan reissues,and all they gave me was the cover for that album with a cardboard replica of the record in it.

Why do they even bother with giving you the cover if they are not going to provide the CD?

dude, those Japanese reissues were twofers! the ABC album is on the same CD Diana Ross Presents... which has a total of 25 tracks.

s.

so it is.

exactly, no one here thinks he's a god, not even me with my everyday crying ass

Reel said:

The one difference between Prince fans and MJ fans....is at least Prince fans can stand to hear about the imperfections of their idol. MJ fans make themselves oblivious to it. And some of them can become downright mean when you point out MJ's flaws. Almost as if you are pointing out the flaws of their mamas.

I think you like to make proclamations and generalizations without any basis to support your argument. If you're going to say that MJ escaped his blackness when he was just trying to cope with vitiligo, then people are going to refute you. Expect it. But even the most diehard, hard-core MJ fans can still criticize him. I have never heard of an MJ fan who completely supported his plastic surgery. Never. I have never seen an MJ fan who wholeheartedly agreed with every thing he did. Never. Mind you, I frequent various fan boards and have read/watched/kept updated on Michael Jackson for years. If you visit other MJ boards, fans do say that he could've done things differently. The only aspects that they strongly defend are the ones that people misconstrue the most (race, skin color, etc.) If you're going to tell others that you will speak your mind freely, so be it. Expect the same in return.

Getting back to more IMPORTANT things...

Clips/discussions of Michael's time in Ireland.

Absolutely my favourite MJ pic ever

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Another.

I've been taking pics from the Opus with my camera as i don't have an industrial sized scanner so thought i'd chuck the odd pic or two on this thread.

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^^^ Love the pics!

More on Michael's stay in Ireland

http://www.independent.ie...94643.html

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And a beautiful letter to the above photographer 'Pecky'

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MyLuv229 said:

Reel said:

The one difference between Prince fans and MJ fans....is at least Prince fans can stand to hear about the imperfections of their idol. MJ fans make themselves oblivious to it. And some of them can become downright mean when you point out MJ's flaws. Almost as if you are pointing out the flaws of their mamas.

I think you like to make proclamations and generalizations without any basis to support your argument. If you're going to say that MJ escaped his blackness when he was just trying to cope with vitiligo, then people are going to refute you. Expect it. But even the most diehard, hard-core MJ fans can still criticize him. I have never heard of an MJ fan who completely supported his plastic surgery. Never. I have never seen an MJ fan who wholeheartedly agreed with every thing he did. Never. Mind you, I frequent various fan boards and have read/watched/kept updated on Michael Jackson for years. If you visit other MJ boards, fans do say that he could've done things differently. The only aspects that they strongly defend are the ones that people misconstrue the most (race, skin color, etc.) If you're going to tell others that you will speak your mind freely, so be it. Expect the same in return.

I couldn't have said it any better. Good job Myluv.

Expect the follwing answer: "My opinion won't change. I speak my mind freely. Skip my posts if you don't like them, you worshipper.". Get ready!

Y'all keep on with the negative stuff. Don't mind me

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MOL said:

Reel said:

Timmy, I don't recall anybody trying to "pull you", or "include you" into any discussion about MJ's life. You've made it clear on where you stand regarding Michael, and you have the right to your feelings. For those who are saying things that you don't want to attend to....just don't read what they type. Skip over it. It would not bother me if you skip over what I type about Michael, because everything that I type is not going to always be flattering of him. But that does not mean that people (particularly myself) are going to stop typing what they feel because some people don't like what they are saying. As long as no one is attacking you or your opinion...then it really should not matter that people discuss some things about Michael that they found troubling.

Shoot my "real life" heroes get "dissed" all the time...and I mean really dissed...but hey, people are entitled to their opinions and I think nothing of it...and I move on because it doesn't matter what they think...all that matters is how I feel about the person. So instead of griping about what I type about Michael...just skip over "Reel's" posts. Those who wish to engage...will engage. Those who wish not to, won't.

But just because you feel the way that you do, it's not going to make people "fall in line" and not say how they feel about Michael.

And when those who engage start undressing you, you immediately tell them to skip your posts...which is exactly what you are telling Timmy.

I'll repeat so that you understand:

To those who don't want to be included in a discussion, you tell them to skip your posts.

To those who oppose your opinion with valid facts and arguments, you tell them to...skip your posts.

Basically, you only get along with people who operate just like you, who think just like you, who ignore what doesn't fit your immutable opinion.

Tell me someone who thinks Michael is God. Quote a post in which Michael is depicted as a God.

He had his deffects. What you don't understand Reel, is that you should stick to the FACTS to point the guy's deffects. Easy, isn't it? But, just like every other lightweight IQ, if anyone confronts you, you scream "I have my opinion and it won't change" or, obviously, "you think Michael is God".

Oh really? Give it up, Ree-Ree. Just give it up. You might deceive the more naive ones but, when confronted with someone who happens to have more than two brain cells, you get exposed.

Get a damned grip

MyLuv229 said:

Reel said:

The one difference between Prince fans and MJ fans....is at least Prince fans can stand to hear about the imperfections of their idol. MJ fans make themselves oblivious to it. And some of them can become downright mean when you point out MJ's flaws. Almost as if you are pointing out the flaws of their mamas.

I think you like to make proclamations and generalizations without any basis to support your argument. If you're going to say that MJ escaped his blackness when he was just trying to cope with vitiligo, then people are going to refute you. Expect it. But even the most diehard, hard-core MJ fans can still criticize him. I have never heard of an MJ fan who completely supported his plastic surgery. Never. I have never seen an MJ fan who wholeheartedly agreed with every thing he did. Never. Mind you, I frequent various fan boards and have read/watched/kept updated on Michael Jackson for years. If you visit other MJ boards, fans do say that he could've done things differently. The only aspects that they strongly defend are the ones that people misconstrue the most (race, skin color, etc.) If you're going to tell others that you will speak your mind freely, so be it. Expect the same in return.

Well, I have seen exactly that. People who rationalize why he did it, or shun others who talk about it. I've seen it on this board as well as others.

And it's fine if people speak their mind...but don't tell me that I can not. SOME people appear to be pretty riled up over the fact that I pointed out things that I've observed with SOME MJ fans. If the shoe doesn't fit....well then dont wear it. Why wear it if it doesnt fit you...why get offended if someone says something that you know you are not? You can not speak for all MJ fans because I've seen this dynamic happen quiet frequently with SOME.

And if you really read what I said...I said my OPINION was based on more than just skin color. Does my OPINION really need to be supported?

[Edited 7/11/10 12:24pm]

Reel said:

MOL said:

And when those who engage start undressing you, you immediately tell them to skip your posts...which is exactly what you are telling Timmy.

I'll repeat so that you understand:

To those who don't want to be included in a discussion, you tell them to skip your posts.

To those who oppose your opinion with valid facts and arguments, you tell them to...skip your posts.

Basically, you only get along with people who operate just like you, who think just like you, who ignore what doesn't fit your immutable opinion.

Tell me someone who thinks Michael is God. Quote a post in which Michael is depicted as a God.

He had his deffects. What you don't understand Reel, is that you should stick to the FACTS to point the guy's deffects. Easy, isn't it? But, just like every other lightweight IQ, if anyone confronts you, you scream "I have my opinion and it won't change" or, obviously, "you think Michael is God".

Oh really? Give it up, Ree-Ree. Just give it up. You might deceive the more naive ones but, when confronted with someone who happens to have more than two brain cells, you get exposed.

Get a damned grip

Once again you deviate the topic. Funny how you always do that.

Swa said:

At the risk of re-posting - doesn't anyone want to discuss the actual music of MJ?

In the interest of promoting musical discussions - here is my take on what are the essential, good, and weakest tracks of MJ's solo work. Be interested in what yours are - what you think are must listen to and what are just ok. Oh and caveat - i am saying weakest and by that do not mean totally weak but rather in comparison to the rest of the album.

Agree. Disagree. Explain. Respect.

My picks for MJ's Solo (Epic) Albums. What are yours?

OFF THE WALL

Essential Listening
Don't Stop Til You Get Enough
Rock With You
Working Day n Night
Get On The Floor
I Can't Help It

Good Tracks
Off The Wall
She's Out Of My Life
It's the Falling in Love
Burn This Disco Out

Weakest Tracks
Girlfriend


THRILLER

Essential Listening
Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'
Beat It
Billie Jean
Human Nature
The Lady In My Life

Good Tracks
Thriller
P.Y.T. (Pretty Young Thing)

Weakest Tracks
Baby Be Mine
The Girl is Mine


BAD

Essential Listening
The Way You Make Me Feel
Liberian Girl
Man in The Mirror
Dirty Diana
Smooth Criminal
Leave Me Alone

Good Tracks
Bad
Speed Demon
Another Part of Me
I Just Can't Stop Loving You

Weakest Tracks
Just Good Friends


DANGEROUS

Essential Listening
Jam
Why You Wanna Trip On Me
In The Closet
Remember The Time
Black or White
Who Is It
Give In To Me
Will You Be There

Good Tracks
She Drives Me Wild
Can't Let Her Get Away
Keep The Faith
Dangerous

Weakest Tracks
Heal The World
Gone Too Soon

HiStory

Essential Listening
Scream
They Don't Care About Us
Stranger In Moscow
Earth Song
Money
Tabloid Junkie
2 Bad
Smile

Good Tracks
This Time Around
Come Together
You Are Not Alone
History
Little Susie

Weakest Tracks
D.S.
Childhood


BLOOD ON THE DANCE FLOOR: HISTORY IN THE MIX

Essential Listening
Morphine
Ghost

Good Tracks
Blood On The Dance Floor
Superfly Sister
Is It Scary

Weakest Tracks


INVINCIBLE

Essential Listening
Heartbreaker
Break of Dawn
You Rock My World
Butterflies
Cry
Whatever Happens

Good Tracks
Unbreakable
Invincible
Heaven Can Wait

Weakest Tracks
Speechless
2,000 Watts
You Are My Life
Privacy
The Lost Children
Don't Walk Away
Threatened

What about his other work??

I have never heard a kid's singing voice that could move me emotionally ever. I might have thought that they sang "cute" or "good"....but they never could move me.

Michael's child voice was and is still able to move me emotionally. I don't think there will ever be another child who's voice and "pitch" is that developed, and who is that expressive. He had unbelievable control over his voice at such a young age. Can never be duplicated.

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Reel said:

Like I said in the above statement... black people feel different about Michael. I personally belive that he was definitely trying to escape his blackness. I have seen no celebrity chistle their nose down to a nub. Sorry, not Janet...Not Beyonce...Nobody. Nor have I seen any black person put a cleft in their chin, and chistle out their jawbone...and do god knows whatelse he did. As I mentioned earlier, my opinion is based on more than just the "skin lightening". The adopted kids with no evidence of any sort of biological ties to Africa....please. Nobody can make me believe differently, just like I'm sure that nobody can change your opinion on the matter.

I heard that Debbie Rowe had a miscarriage before Prince was born.

There's a video on youtube where debbie talks about it.

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According to a source these songs will more then likely make the new album (coming out in November)

Another Day

Hold My Hand

Escape

A Place With No Name

Possible: Love never felt so good

[Edited 7/11/10 15:08pm]

[Edited 7/11/10 15:09pm]

mozfonky said:

poetcorner61 said:

for anyone who didn't live as a teen in the era, what a gift to have these two genius' at the same time.