Reel said:

As far as Marsha writing another song for MJ...I can't wait to hear it. I think she did an awesome job with Butterflies. I think that was the last song that I actually liked that MJ sang before his death.

I don't think MJ ever recorded the track, he didn't have the chance.

seeingvoices12 said:

Reel said:

As far as Marsha writing another song for MJ...I can't wait to hear it. I think she did an awesome job with Butterflies. I think that was the last song that I actually liked that MJ sang before his death.

I don't think MJ ever recorded the track, he didn't have the chance.

Right...I think it would be good to hear her version of it though.

Longer version of the "We're Almost There" remix (by DJ Spinna):

Reel said:

seeingvoices12 said:

I don't think MJ ever recorded the track, he didn't have the chance.

Right...I think it would be good to hear her version of it though.

If memory serves me correctly there is a youtube clip (that was posted in a previous thread) that had her playing live and she played the song she wrote for him. Can't hunt for it now but I am sure another long time poster on here remembers and can track it down.

Swa

Swa said:

Reel said:

Right...I think it would be good to hear her version of it though.

If memory serves me correctly there is a youtube clip (that was posted in a previous thread) that had her playing live and she played the song she wrote for him. Can't hunt for it now but I am sure another long time poster on here remembers and can track it down.

Swa

Thank you....or I can just google it.

Reel said:

seeingvoices12 said:

I don't think MJ ever recorded the track, he didn't have the chance.

Right...I think it would be good to hear her version of it though.

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bboy87 said:

I knew I couldn't be the only one who gets annoyed by that. Motown is releasing a boxset of the first three Jackson 5 albums and the Dancing Machine album and the cover they used is from 1979

it's a Jackson 5 set, not a Jacksons set

You must be talking about this collection, which comes out October 5th of this year:

It's weird that the folks at Universal would use a 1978 Jacksons publicity photo for the Destiny album as the cover of the collection. I already have these albums so I definitely won't be buying it, but I'm glad that their first three albums are being reissued for those who missed out on the other reissues, which are out of print (including the excellent 2-for-1 CDs that Universal/Motown released in 2001).

Well I guess I won't be picking this up either,but I do need to get a copy of the ABC one. I bought the Japan reissues,and all they gave me was the cover for that album with a cardboard replica of the record in it.

Why do they even bother with giving you the cover if they are not going to provide the CD?

i love this song this is my firts time see this performance

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Timmy84 said:

*facepalm*

I wanted to say something but this is kinda disparaging as me being a black man that has constantly seen people diss Michael because they never understood why he suddenly change his color, why he was slow to explain what he had, and how he may have been brainwashed, I remember thinking the same way Reel was thinking at 11, but as I began to learn more about Michael, I don't see someone who was brainwashed, I saw a man who was trying to find himself and we were bitching about the man because he didn't do what "black folks do".

I know how a talk of race can turn into some compassionate battle cry but really was this discussion necessary?

Can it ever be about what the man left behind for us instead of worrying if he "hated" being who he was?

Seriously can it?

Amen..

Timmy84 said:

Longer version of the "We're Almost There" remix (by DJ Spinna):

i didnt listen to many songs from the 70s ( besides abc , i wnat you back etc) and this is such a beautiful gem

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Timmy84 said:

*facepalm*

I wanted to say something but this is kinda disparaging as me being a black man that has constantly seen people diss Michael because they never understood why he suddenly change his color, why he was slow to explain what he had, and how he may have been brainwashed, I remember thinking the same way Reel was thinking at 11, but as I began to learn more about Michael, I don't see someone who was brainwashed, I saw a man who was trying to find himself and we were bitching about the man because he didn't do what "black folks do".

I know how a talk of race can turn into some compassionate battle cry but really was this discussion necessary?

Can it ever be about what the man left behind for us instead of worrying if he "hated" being who he was?

Seriously can it?

Well, for you that may be fine and I respect that you want to ignore facets about a hero. Me, I am accustomed to studying my heroes and analyzing them and their lives. They all have flaws, Ali was a womanizer, not always respectful of opponents, and he may have been a cowardly, puppet for the Muslims if certain books are to be believed but he gave plenty to go with all the bad. Elvis did horrible, horrible things to women and may have been a racist. He was definitely not "normal" in his behavior at all times. The list goes on, the megalomania which gets to these men fascinates me because my heroes also have so many decent, fine qualities. In fact, if you want to know the real truth, the only hero of mine's I could say may be a rotten person is Prince and even that's a maybe. Everyone has a yin and yang. And for me, race is an obsession, i've seen too much for it not to be. But I respect and even envy others who feel that they can afford to ignore it and just hope they never get that "wake up call".

Well everybody's a human being with flaws. Cool? Cool.

mozfonky said:

Timmy84 said:

*facepalm*

I wanted to say something but this is kinda disparaging as me being a black man that has constantly seen people diss Michael because they never understood why he suddenly change his color, why he was slow to explain what he had, and how he may have been brainwashed, I remember thinking the same way Reel was thinking at 11, but as I began to learn more about Michael, I don't see someone who was brainwashed, I saw a man who was trying to find himself and we were bitching about the man because he didn't do what "black folks do".

I know how a talk of race can turn into some compassionate battle cry but really was this discussion necessary?

Can it ever be about what the man left behind for us instead of worrying if he "hated" being who he was?

Seriously can it?

Well, for you that may be fine and I respect that you want to ignore facets about a hero. Me, I am accustomed to studying my heroes and analyzing them and their lives. They all have flaws, Ali was a womanizer, not always respectful of opponents, and he may have been a cowardly, puppet for the Muslims if certain books are to be believed but he gave plenty to go with all the bad. Elvis did horrible, horrible things to women and may have been a racist. He was definitely not "normal" in his behavior at all times. The list goes on, the megalomania which gets to these men fascinates me because my heroes also have so many decent, fine qualities. In fact, if you want to know the real truth, the only hero of mine's I could say may be a rotten person is Prince and even that's a maybe. Everyone has a yin and yang. And for me, race is an obsession, i've seen too much for it not to be. But I respect and even envy others who feel that they can afford to ignore it and just hope they never get that "wake up call".

Yanno, I have to agree with you here. It's like a funeral, people think that they must ONLY speak good things about the decesased. They can "miss me" with that B.S. All people have great things, and dredful things about them. It just boggles my mind when people want to act like everythng was "ok" with MJ. These are people who only look at one side to a person and ignore everything else that makes the person who they are / were.

The one difference between Prince fans and MJ fans....is at least Prince fans can stand to hear about the imperfections of their idol. MJ fans make themselves oblivious to it. And some of them can become downright mean when you point out MJ's flaws. Almost as if you are pointing out the flaws of their mamas.

While I honor the memory of MJ and value the gift's that he left the world, I don't believe that people should just turn a blind eye and pretend this man was somehow a god. He was a genius in regards to his craft. He was a troubled human being in regards to damned near everything else.

Reel said:

mozfonky said:

Well, for you that may be fine and I respect that you want to ignore facets about a hero. Me, I am accustomed to studying my heroes and analyzing them and their lives. They all have flaws, Ali was a womanizer, not always respectful of opponents, and he may have been a cowardly, puppet for the Muslims if certain books are to be believed but he gave plenty to go with all the bad. Elvis did horrible, horrible things to women and may have been a racist. He was definitely not "normal" in his behavior at all times. The list goes on, the megalomania which gets to these men fascinates me because my heroes also have so many decent, fine qualities. In fact, if you want to know the real truth, the only hero of mine's I could say may be a rotten person is Prince and even that's a maybe. Everyone has a yin and yang. And for me, race is an obsession, i've seen too much for it not to be. But I respect and even envy others who feel that they can afford to ignore it and just hope they never get that "wake up call".

Yanno, I have to agree with you here. It's like a funeral, people think that they must ONLY speak good things about the decesased. They can "miss me" with that B.S. All people have great things, and dredful things about them. It just boggles my mind when people want to act like everythng was "ok" with MJ. These are people who only look at one side to a person and ignore everything else that makes the person who they are / were.

The one difference between Prince fans and MJ fans....is at least Prince fans can stand to hear about the imperfections of their idol. MJ fans make themselves oblivious to it. And some of them can become downright mean when you point out MJ's flaws. Almost as if you are pointing out the flaws of their mamas.

While I honor the memory of MJ and value the gift's that he left the world, I don't believe that people should just turn a blind eye and pretend this man was somehow a god. He was a genius in regards to his craft. He was a troubled human being in regards to damned near everything else.

Right, MJ fans are mean. Let me tell you something, there are a lot of people on this board who consider their opinions as TRUTH and label those with different ones floons. I am sorry that is not being nice to me, so do not criticise only those "floons".

Please show me one post where someone proclaimed MJ to be something near God.

It is possible to respect someone without thinking they were God. Actually, I think you can truly respect someone only when you see their flaws and accept them. And I respect this "troubled human being" more than anyone else.

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dag said:

Reel said:

Yanno, I have to agree with you here. It's like a funeral, people think that they must ONLY speak good things about the decesased. They can "miss me" with that B.S. All people have great things, and dredful things about them. It just boggles my mind when people want to act like everythng was "ok" with MJ. These are people who only look at one side to a person and ignore everything else that makes the person who they are / were.

The one difference between Prince fans and MJ fans....is at least Prince fans can stand to hear about the imperfections of their idol. MJ fans make themselves oblivious to it. And some of them can become downright mean when you point out MJ's flaws. Almost as if you are pointing out the flaws of their mamas.

While I honor the memory of MJ and value the gift's that he left the world, I don't believe that people should just turn a blind eye and pretend this man was somehow a god. He was a genius in regards to his craft. He was a troubled human being in regards to damned near everything else.

Right, MJ fans are mean. Let me tell you something, there are a lot of people on this board who consider their opinions as TRUTH and label those with different ones floons. I am sorry that is not being nice to me, so do not criticise only those "floons".

Please show me one post where someone proclaimed MJ to be something near God.

It is possible to respect someone without thinking they were God. Actually, I think you can truly respect someone only when you see their flaws and accept them. And I respect this "troubled human being" more than anyone else.

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Sorry, I do not know what the word "floons" mean. And not all MJ fans are mean...I did not type that. As far as showing you a post where someone "proclaimed" that MJ is God. No can do...there is no such post. However...one can REASONABLY deduce that SOME people on the MJ thread idolize him. When one "idolizes" something...or someone...that thing or person becomes their god.

I think the man was great in his abilities, but I will not idolize him....no can do.

And like Dag said the last thing I was thinking is that Mike was God. Mike would've told you he fucked up every now and then just not in the way some here think he would. Just because we choose to get pass all that personal drama doesn't mean our heads were in the sand. Matter of fact, we've had discussions about what he "should've done with his life" and it got to the point where I found myself judging him. I stop doing that prior to his death when he was getting ready for the tour. I don't know what trying to go back and forth about the guy's problems is gonna do in some of y'all trying to solve why Michael Jackson became who he became. Plus the more this goes on, the more trolls come in here to interrupt anything. But if you guys wanna turn this thread into a civil war, go on, just don't include me and some other folks in it who were tired of the bullshit long time ago.

Long live MJ. I'm out.

Timmy84 said:

And like Dag said the last thing I was thinking is that Mike was God. Mike would've told you he fucked up every now and then just not in the way some here think he would. Just because we choose to get pass all that personal drama doesn't mean our heads were in the sand. Matter of fact, we've had discussions about what he "should've done with his life" and it got to the point where I found myself judging him. I stop doing that prior to his death when he was getting ready for the tour. I don't know what trying to go back and forth about the guy's problems is gonna do in some of y'all trying to solve why Michael Jackson became who he became. Plus the more this goes on, the more trolls come in here to interrupt anything. But if you guys wanna turn this thread into a civil war, go on, just don't include me and some other folks in it who were tired of the bullshit long time ago.

Long live MJ. I'm out.

Great post Love you timmy

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Timmy84 said:

And like Dag said the last thing I was thinking is that Mike was God. Mike would've told you he fucked up every now and then just not in the way some here think he would. Just because we choose to get pass all that personal drama doesn't mean our heads were in the sand. Matter of fact, we've had discussions about what he "should've done with his life" and it got to the point where I found myself judging him. I stop doing that prior to his death when he was getting ready for the tour. I don't know what trying to go back and forth about the guy's problems is gonna do in some of y'all trying to solve why Michael Jackson became who he became. Plus the more this goes on, the more trolls come in here to interrupt anything. But if you guys wanna turn this thread into a civil war, go on, just don't include me and some other folks in it who were tired of the bullshit long time ago.

Long live MJ. I'm out.

Timmy, I don't recall anybody trying to "pull you", or "include you" into any discussion about MJ's life. You've made it clear on where you stand regarding Michael, and you have the right to your feelings. For those who are saying things that you don't want to attend to....just don't read what they type. Skip over it. It would not bother me if you skip over what I type about Michael, because everything that I type is not going to always be flattering of him. But that does not mean that people (particularly myself) are going to stop typing what they feel because some people don't like what they are saying. As long as no one is attacking you or your opinion...then it really should not matter that people discuss some things about Michael that they found troubling.

Shoot my "real life" heroes get "dissed" all the time...and I mean really dissed...but hey, people are entitled to their opinions and I think nothing of it...and I move on because it doesn't matter what they think...all that matters is how I feel about the person. So instead of griping about what I type about Michael...just skip over "Reel's" posts. Those who wish to engage...will engage. Those who wish not to, won't.

But just because you feel the way that you do, it's not going to make people "fall in line" and not say how they feel about Michael.

dag said:

Way too freaking cute!!

Reel said:

SOME people on the MJ thread idolize him. When one "idolizes" something...or someone...that thing or person becomes their god.

I think the man was great in his abilities, but I will not idolize him....no can do.

Without wanting to play semantics, using words such as "idolize" can distort the meaning you give versus what another gives. As with all musicians there are fans and fanatics - and sometimes in equal measure. I have meant some Prince fans who are just wow out there, and also meet some MJ fans who are equally out there - but that comes with the terrority of being a fan for some.

As a fan I have long admired and been inspired by Michael. I have been a fan for over 30 years, and had moments where I have held my head proud and other times where I have shook my head and wondered "Michael what are you thinking".

At the end of the day, we admire people for their talents and in this world of celebrity we sometimes forget the person behind that talent. Like Michael once stated "it's nice to thought of as a person and not a personality". Sadly many times we forget this. His talent and genius which made him almost superhuman, made the flaws in his judgement and choices seem even more drastic, when alas he was just human - no better no worse than us all.

And for the record I don't anyone here is asking anyone to idolise someone. All we may be asking is that we treat each other with respect and carry that respect to the judgements we place on the people we are discussing.

Swa

Swa said:

Reel said:

SOME people on the MJ thread idolize him. When one "idolizes" something...or someone...that thing or person becomes their god.

I think the man was great in his abilities, but I will not idolize him....no can do.

Without wanting to play semantics, using words such as "idolize" can distort the meaning you give versus what another gives. As with all musicians there are fans and fanatics - and sometimes in equal measure. I have meant some Prince fans who are just wow out there, and also meet some MJ fans who are equally out there - but that comes with the terrority of being a fan for some.

As a fan I have long admired and been inspired by Michael. I have been a fan for over 30 years, and had moments where I have held my head proud and other times where I have shook my head and wondered "Michael what are you thinking".

At the end of the day, we admire people for their talents and in this world of celebrity we sometimes forget the person behind that talent. Like Michael once stated "it's nice to thought of as a person and not a personality". Sadly many times we forget this. His talent and genius which made him almost superhuman, made the flaws in his judgement and choices seem even more drastic, when alas he was just human - no better no worse than us all.

And for the record I don't anyone here is asking anyone to idolise someone. All we may be asking is that we treat each other with respect and carry that respect to the judgements we place on the people we are discussing.

Swa

And I hear you. No where did I say that ALL of Michael's fans idolize him. But if you are reading the same threads that I have been reading....it is clear that some do. No need for me to call anybody out individually...all of that isn't necessary. If someone doesn't idolize him...then they should know that I'm not referring to them.

As far as passing "judgement" ...people place judgements on celebrities all the time...whether positive or negative. People make "assessments" of people all the time and offer opinions on those assessments, so if that's being judgemental, hey many of us fall into the catagory. With all due respect...I'm not going to alter my discussion of Michael if that's what you were getting at in the sentence that I highlighted. If somebody posts a picture that makes me reflect on something good or bad, I'm going to type it. If people can't get with what I'm typing...then I respect that. But I'm going to say as I please. Michael is a global figure, his image is not dependant upon what I type, nor on what his "defenders" assert. Everyone has a mind of their own.

If people are that sensitive to anyone saying anything that is not 100% flattering of MJ, then they should start a thread called "MJ....positive dialogue only", that way they have a leg to stand on when they get frustrated because other fans are not always grinning from ear to ear about all things concerining MJ. But as it stands..."fans" comprise people who both adore, and are critical of a particular artist.

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