motownlover said:

Will.i.am doesn't support new Jackson album


A new Michael Jackson album is expected by the end of the year, culled from unreleased material in his vaults. But Jackson collaborator and Black Eyed Peas frontman will.i.am is vehemently opposed to the idea.

"I don't think that should ever come out. That's bad," he said. "He was a perfectionist and he wouldn't have wanted it that way. How you gonna release Michael Jackson when Michael Jackson ain't here to bless it?"

Will.i.am collaborated with Jackson on the rerelease of "Thriller" in 2008 with remixed versions of some of the album's classic songs. He said Jackson was very particular about all aspects of his musical productions, from his vocals to arrangements to instrumentation.

"Now that he is not part of the process, what are they doing? Why would you put a record out like that? Because he was a friend of mine, I just think that's disrespectful," he said. "What's wrong with what he already contributed to the world?"

The Jackson estate did not respond to a request for comment.

When asked about the high demand for any new Jackson music, will.i.am replied: "So what? You don't disrespect someone when they're gone. ... How much can you suck from his energy? ... Freaking parasites!"

Not much is known about what will be on the album, but Michael's brother Jackie has said he and brother Marlon were working on the record with John McClain, Jackson's former manager and executor of his estate.

http://www.google.com/hos...QD9HC1U700

is it me , or does will have a double agenda , one time he seems to be supportive , other time he doenst want to contribute

I don´t care that much about anyone´s agenda. I just know that Mike wouldn´t approve of it. I just hope that if it comes out and it won´t be as good as people expected it to be, they won´t bitch about it saying they knew Mike had lost it ages ago and stuff like that. But don´t get me wrong, I wanna hear it too, I just wish Mike was here to approve of it.

motownlover said:

Will.i.am doesn't support new Jackson album


A new Michael Jackson album is expected by the end of the year, culled from unreleased material in his vaults. But Jackson collaborator and Black Eyed Peas frontman will.i.am is vehemently opposed to the idea.

"I don't think that should ever come out. That's bad," he said. "He was a perfectionist and he wouldn't have wanted it that way. How you gonna release Michael Jackson when Michael Jackson ain't here to bless it?"

Will.i.am collaborated with Jackson on the rerelease of "Thriller" in 2008 with remixed versions of some of the album's classic songs. He said Jackson was very particular about all aspects of his musical productions, from his vocals to arrangements to instrumentation.

"Now that he is not part of the process, what are they doing? Why would you put a record out like that? Because he was a friend of mine, I just think that's disrespectful," he said. "What's wrong with what he already contributed to the world?"

The Jackson estate did not respond to a request for comment.

When asked about the high demand for any new Jackson music, will.i.am replied: "So what? You don't disrespect someone when they're gone. ... How much can you suck from his energy? ... Freaking parasites!"

Not much is known about what will be on the album, but Michael's brother Jackie has said he and brother Marlon were working on the record with John McClain, Jackson's former manager and executor of his estate.

http://www.google.com/hos...QD9HC1U700

is it me , or does will have a double agenda , one time he seems to be supportive , other time he doenst want to contribute

Didn't Will mention not too long ago that he was gonna put a record on the new BEP album with MJ on it?

ViintageJunkiie said:

motownlover said:

Will.i.am doesn't support new Jackson album


A new Michael Jackson album is expected by the end of the year, culled from unreleased material in his vaults. But Jackson collaborator and Black Eyed Peas frontman will.i.am is vehemently opposed to the idea.

"I don't think that should ever come out. That's bad," he said. "He was a perfectionist and he wouldn't have wanted it that way. How you gonna release Michael Jackson when Michael Jackson ain't here to bless it?"

Will.i.am collaborated with Jackson on the rerelease of "Thriller" in 2008 with remixed versions of some of the album's classic songs. He said Jackson was very particular about all aspects of his musical productions, from his vocals to arrangements to instrumentation.

"Now that he is not part of the process, what are they doing? Why would you put a record out like that? Because he was a friend of mine, I just think that's disrespectful," he said. "What's wrong with what he already contributed to the world?"

The Jackson estate did not respond to a request for comment.

When asked about the high demand for any new Jackson music, will.i.am replied: "So what? You don't disrespect someone when they're gone. ... How much can you suck from his energy? ... Freaking parasites!"

Not much is known about what will be on the album, but Michael's brother Jackie has said he and brother Marlon were working on the record with John McClain, Jackson's former manager and executor of his estate.

http://www.google.com/hos...QD9HC1U700

is it me , or does will have a double agenda , one time he seems to be supportive , other time he doenst want to contribute

Didn't Will mention not too long ago that he was gonna put a record on the new BEP album with MJ on it?

and how is dude gonna talk about parasites when he's the muthafucka who gave us FERGIE?!

anybody remember Beat It 2008? cuz I ain't forgotten that bullshit

I think Michael knew that his unreleased material was going to be released after his death possibly for his kids (you know Blanket GOTTA stay fitted ) and the estate is working their asses off getting everything back in order

but yeah, I see where Will is coming from but c'mon....

For a guy with so much talent (and I'm saying that cuz I think Will is one of the best "producers" out there now and I LOVED Songs About Girls), he's sure made his share of disposable material this past decade

and you're right. He said last year that he was gonna put the work he did with Michael on a BLACK EYED PEAS record but NOW he doesn't want to release them. I respect his decision but c'mon son, be consistent on the reason why you're holdin' on to them. They only completed 3 songs together

ViintageJunkiie said:

Hidden ad-libs. I LOVE THEM!

[Edited 7/31/10 10:16am]

How is this version different from the "Q-tip Remix" on bboy's OTW Anniversary Mixtape?

LOVING THE AD-LIBS!!! Michael is a master at versatility....such a sweet tenor voice.

bboy87 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Didn't Will mention not too long ago that he was gonna put a record on the new BEP album with MJ on it?

and how is dude gonna talk about parasites when he's the muthafucka who gave us FERGIE?!

anybody remember Beat It 2008? cuz I ain't forgotten that bullshit

I think Michael knew that his unreleased material was going to be released after his death possibly for his kids (you know Blanket GOTTA stay fitted ) and the estate is working their asses off getting everything back in order

but yeah, I see where Will is coming from but c'mon....

For a guy with so much talent (and I'm saying that cuz I think Will is one of the best "producers" out there now and I LOVED Songs About Girls), he's sure made his share of disposable material this past decade

and you're right. He said last year that he was gonna put the work he did with Michael on a BLACK EYED PEAS record but NOW he doesn't want to release them. I respect his decision but c'mon son, be consistent on the reason why you're holdin' on to them. They only completed 3 songs together

I love Blanket. He seems to be such a little rascal.

Will, you're just mad because YOU'RE not doing it so shut up.

Timmy84 said:

Will, you're just mad because YOU'RE not doing it so shut up.

RIGHT!

ViintageJunkiie said:

Timmy84 said:

Will, you're just mad because YOU'RE not doing it so shut up.

RIGHT!

Exactly. At least that is my guess. I mean the fact is, Michael recorded TONS of songs for Invincible,

and while I prefer a lot of what Will is doing these days to what Rodney is doing now, the fact is, MJ probably didn't really record that many songs with Will. That being said, I have a feeling the stuff that will be coming in November will be ten times better than Invincible. Just a feeling I have. (Slightly directed by the fact that "Another Day" and "A Place With No Name" would have bested almost anything that made Invincible.)

Time will tell but Will is kinda pissing in the wind over this. Him bitching isn't going to make the estate say, "Oh okay forget it." They (along with Sony) see dollar signs, and as long as it isn't a "Greatest Hits" thing, I will be glad to shell out my money to hear what was left in the vault.

Timmy84 said:

Will, you're just mad because YOU'RE not doing it so shut up. :l

LoL....will was smoking something....... What the hell they are going to do with all the unreleased material? It’s unbelievable to locked it up in vault forever: lol:

Vanilli said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

RIGHT!

Exactly. At least that is my guess. I mean the fact is, Michael recorded TONS of songs for Invincible,

and while I prefer a lot of what Will is doing these days to what Rodney is doing now, the fact is, MJ probably didn't really record that many songs with Will. That being said, I have a feeling the stuff that will be coming in November will be ten times better than Invincible. Just a feeling I have. (Slightly directed by the fact that "Another Day" and "A Place With No Name" would have bested almost anything that made Invincible.)

Time will tell but Will is kinda pissing in the wind over this. Him bitching isn't going to make the estate say, "Oh okay forget it." They (along with Sony) see dollar signs, and as long as it isn't a "Greatest Hits" thing, I will be glad to shell out my money to hear what was left in the vault.

People are saying 'Michael didn't want those songs released"

No, Michael may have felt they needed more work done (look at Little Susie or Dangerous for instance) and that he wanted to release them when they were ready or that the song was good but it didn't fit the project it was originally written or recorded for (Workin Day And Night for instance)

seeingvoices12 said:

Timmy84 said:

Will, you're just mad because YOU'RE not doing it so shut up. :l

LoL....will was smoking something....... What the hell they are going to do with all the unreleased material? It’s unbelievable to locked it up in vault forever: lol:

True and at this point I find myself excited to get this because I want to get into ALL of Michael's music, the ones I never heard and I've heard like 100 of his shit or more lol

If Michael truely never wanted these songs to ever see the light of day,he would have had them destroyed. I personal can't wait to hear the new album.

[Edited 8/3/10 18:37pm]

Michael the Peacemaker.

Very enjoyable story.

http://www.innermichael.c...0000-feet/

xCece said:

New Album I hope it actually has something new and not the same hits again like he did with this is it One New Song..really Michael really

Like who did with this is it? It was beyond Michael's control.........logically......

Looking forward to the album but it won't be the same. My crying has gone down and sadly, I feel like a part of me is moving on when it comes to emotions cause it's too painful but I'm still a supporter and fan.

NMuzakNSoul said:

xCece said:

New Album I hope it actually has something new and not the same hits again like he did with this is it One New Song..really Michael really

Like who did with this is it? It was beyond Michael's control.........logically......

and they only picked This Is It because of the title. It was a demo from 1980

bboy87 said:

NMuzakNSoul said:

Like who did with this is it? It was beyond Michael's control.........logically......

and they only picked This Is It because of the title. It was a demo from 1980

Thank you.

xCece said:

to the above people ok

Besides he was already gone from us when the estate issued it. Of course they're gonna release it. They do the same to others. I just hope they don't rape his material like they did 2Pac...and Marvin (initially, things got a lot better a decade or so after his death with re-issues of his work, but Motown's 1980s Marvin tribute compilations were wack putting a 1980s spin on 1960s songs lol).

Paul anka was really excited that his mediocre song got released , maybe he thought it was great not realizing that it has been chosen because of the title , I heard the song once and not planning to hear it again........

seeingvoices12 said:

Paul anka was really excited that his mediocre song got released , maybe he thought it was great not realizing that it has been chosen because of the title , I heard the song once and not planning to hear it again........

Well considering it was unfinished and shit and he was gonna give it to Paul either as a duet or a solo song for Paul, I didn't take this song as great lol

Timmy84 said:

seeingvoices12 said:

Paul anka was really excited that his mediocre song got released , maybe he thought it was great not realizing that it has been chosen because of the title , I heard the song once and not planning to hear it again........

Well considering it was unfinished and shit and he was gonna give it to Paul either as a duet or a solo song for Paul, I didn't take this song as great lol

Timmy, If MJ was alive, I don't think that he would release this crappy song at all , paul slob anka even gone too far to call MJ a thief.....remember?

seeingvoices12 said:

Timmy84 said:

Well considering it was unfinished and shit and he was gonna give it to Paul either as a duet or a solo song for Paul, I didn't take this song as great lol

Timmy, If MJ was alive, I don't think that he would release this crappy song at all , paul slob anka even gone too far to call MJ a thief.....remember?

Yeah I remember.

murph said:

I just wish the true MJ fans would stop shitting on Quincy Jones..No need to diminish his contribution to Thriller.. Also, Scorp saying this: "what soul/R&B cat was collaborating with Van Halen....and have it WORK?it wasnt Prince....w/out Beat It, could you have a Let's Go Crazy?"..... is misleading...Prince was incorporating rock into his music as far back as 1978 on his debut album...Hell, it could be said "Little Red Corvette" was the song that showcased a new way to incorporate rock, pop and soul together...And of course, Prince didn't need Eddie V. because he could play his own guitar God solos...But that's a whole other topic... But all in all, this is some great, informative info about MJ...as great as he is, he doesn't get the props he deserves as an artist....

[Edited 7/26/10 14:55pm]

Something about this statement really bothers me. So much so I even got out of longtime lurk mode and got an account here. Probably because of how grossly inaccurate it is.

It is true that Prince was incorporating rock into his music since he began creating music. While Prince's sound incorporates rock, among many other things, pre-Thriller Prince never struck me as someone whose sound was hard rock or heavy metal. Ever. While you can say Little Red Corvette was the first song that combined pop, rock, funk, and soul (I guess), I can easily counter argue that Beat It was the song that took it one step further by being the first in combining soul, funk, pop, and hard rock/heavy & thrash metal, the latter genres were extremely popular at the time w/a huge portion of the population, and still is.

That's territory I don't think even Prince had explored up until that point. That hard rock/heavy metal outlet is what took Beat It to the next level & gave it the immense cross over appeal, cultural success, & influence that it enjoyed. It, ultimately, took whatever LRC had and blew it out of the water in that respect.

You are right though, Prince didn't need Van Halen to make his music work, but up until that point and even now, as I just stated, Prince had never really crossed over into the hard rock/heavy metal genre(s) as far as I know prior to the release of Thriller. Though, I don't know what kind of ears you possess, but you can CLEARLY hear the Beat It influence in the hard rock sound that Let's Go Crazy possess as opposed to, let's say, Little Red Corvette. Needless to say, this is why I think you are wrong in your statement and the original author was correct.

We don't know if Prince would have went in that direction w/Let's Go Crazy w/o the release of Beat It, but one thing is clear. Hard rock/heavy metal were EXTREMELY popular genres at that time and they were missing in a lot of his pre-Purple Rain work. Maybe he would have went there, maybe he wouldn't have. No point in trying to argue that, because what's done is done and you can't change the past.

Just like how you complain about MJ fans denying Quincy's role in Thriller, I could say the same of you in denying how MJ influenced Prince. It's very interesting indeed...

On July 24th I ordered the DVD documentary: the trials of Michael Jackson via the website www.thetrialsofmichaeljackson.com. I received the DVD today and watched it. I enjoyed watching it, as far as you can say that when it comes to watching MJ undergo this nightmare. Either way, I liked seeing the fans be MJ fans and (dislike) watching the press be assholes. For 20 USD I can definitely recommend this DVD.

From their website:
About the Documentary
Try to imagine two filmmakers taking their video cameras in hand to film the hoopla around a celebrity trial... the trial of none other than legendary pop star Michael Jackson. Even though Barry Shaw and Dana Gedrick knew this was no oridnary celebrity trial, it would prove to be far from anything the pair of them had expected to encounter.

For starters, they had not anticipated the fierce extent to which the fans' compassion would influence journalists and media covering the trial, nor had they forseen the extent to which the media's personal feelings and biases would enter into what would be presented to the public. The result was for Barry and Dana to realize that such strong personal feelings on the part of the media all but precluded the hope of presuming innocence.

Try to imagine, as well, that you are a staunch and devoted fan of a man despised by much of the world. Imagine that you are only a few against so many who've already condemned the defendant in their hearts. Your view may appear extreme to many, though to you, the fan, it is precisely the opposite; it is the others' views that are extreme.

It is true that opinions can obscure facts, but in this case, it is almost a given that media coverage would play a part in distorting facts to the point where a fair trial becomse almost impossible... especially when the accused has already been deemed guilty by a majority of the population. In Barry Shaw's opinion, there was something inherently wrong with using a high publicized child molestation trial to increase media ratiings. For Dana Gedrick, mother of three sons, it was more about keeping her personal feelings out of her work.

Together, the two filmmakers came up with the idea of turning the cameras around on the media.

While we all know that it is impossible to remain uninfluenced by what goes on around us, media coverage and personal opinions have the potential to shroud facts, and in the minds of some individuals, totally obliterate them. It was for these reasons that Barry and Dana decided to focus on the media's influence in the trial of Michael Jackson and allow their film to demonstrate just how impossible it is to remain untouched by that which we witness or become a part of.

bboy87 said:

Vanilli said:

Exactly. At least that is my guess. I mean the fact is, Michael recorded TONS of songs for Invincible,

and while I prefer a lot of what Will is doing these days to what Rodney is doing now, the fact is, MJ probably didn't really record that many songs with Will. That being said, I have a feeling the stuff that will be coming in November will be ten times better than Invincible. Just a feeling I have. (Slightly directed by the fact that "Another Day" and "A Place With No Name" would have bested almost anything that made Invincible.)

Time will tell but Will is kinda pissing in the wind over this. Him bitching isn't going to make the estate say, "Oh okay forget it." They (along with Sony) see dollar signs, and as long as it isn't a "Greatest Hits" thing, I will be glad to shell out my money to hear what was left in the vault.

People are saying 'Michael didn't want those songs released"

No, Michael may have felt they needed more work done (look at Little Susie or Dangerous for instance) and that he wanted to release them when they were ready or that the song was good but it didn't fit the project it was originally written or recorded for (Workin Day And Night for instance)

Okay, maybe I don't know the back story for the songs in brackets you used to support your points.

SherryJackson said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Hidden ad-libs. I LOVE THEM!

[Edited 7/31/10 10:16am]

How is this version different from the "Q-tip Remix" on bboy's OTW Anniversary Mixtape?

Lemme holla @ that right quick!

Cinnie said:

bboy87 said:

People are saying 'Michael didn't want those songs released"

No, Michael may have felt they needed more work done (look at Little Susie or Dangerous for instance) and that he wanted to release them when they were ready or that the song was good but it didn't fit the project it was originally written or recorded for (Workin Day And Night for instance)

Okay, maybe I don't know the back story for the songs in brackets you used to support your points.

Little Susie was originally written in 1979 and was worked on for some time. It was also considered in 1989 for the Decade project (as was Who Is It, Heal The World, Earth Song, his adult versions of I'll Be There and Never Can Say Goodbye, and his covers of Come Together and Strawberry Fields Forever

Dangerous evolved from Streetwalker and originally demoed in 1989. Michael felt it didn't hit hard enough and wasn't "comtemporary" so when Teddy Riley on board, they reworked on the music

Workin' Day And Night was written in 1978 and originally written for Destiny but he decided to keep it for Off The Wall