rsggamer said:

An announcement regarding the new album and single is expected this week.

im curious and reluctant to hear new music

motownlover said:

rsggamer said:

An announcement regarding the new album and single is expected this week.

im curious and reluctant to hear new music

And I shall illegally download it shamelessly

Anyone prefer "privacy" over "tabloid junkie"? I know I do.

Is that odd to MJ fans? I don't go on MJ message boards but on here, "privacy" seems hated on. I really dig the voice he uses on it. Its sleazy sounding and I can't think of a song where he sings like that (Iam sure he does but my memory is blank at the moment).

"Tabloid junkie" is still a good track, but I never liked the chorus much. His media bashing songs by 2001 were getting tired as hell, but I still dig "Privacy". I like the oh so serious intro aswell LOL.

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thesexofit said:

Anyone prefer "privacy" over "tabloid junkie"? I know I do.

Is that odd to MJ fans? I don't go on MJ message boards but on here, "privacy" seems hated on. I really dig the voice he uses on it. Its sleazy sounding and I can't think of a song where he sings like that (Iam sure he does but my memory is blank at the moment).

"Tabloid junkie" is still a good track, but I never liked the chorus much. His media bashing songs by 2001 were getting tired as hell, but I still dig "Privacy". I like the oh so serious intro aswell LOL.

agree

in privacy, his voice sounds like the hatred came from much deeper inside

piggyflower said:

thesexofit said:

Anyone prefer "privacy" over "tabloid junkie"? I know I do.

Is that odd to MJ fans? I don't go on MJ message boards but on here, "privacy" seems hated on. I really dig the voice he uses on it. Its sleazy sounding and I can't think of a song where he sings like that (Iam sure he does but my memory is blank at the moment).

"Tabloid junkie" is still a good track, but I never liked the chorus much. His media bashing songs by 2001 were getting tired as hell, but I still dig "Privacy". I like the oh so serious intro aswell LOL.

agree

in privacy, his voice sounds like the hatred came from much deeper inside

Whilst I respect your opinion and adhear to "each to their own" I have to say Tabloid Junkie is one of my all time faves and that, along with Money, is a track I think most definitely should have been a single off HiStory. I love the chorus, that hook "just because you read it in a magazine / or see it on a tv screen / don't make it factual" is so heavy in context yet light in melody that it would have got people singing it first then thinking about the lyrics later.

Privacy, I have to say, isn't a song I listen to that often and whilst I appreciate it when it gets on, I do feel that as you say the "media exploitation" was tired by 2001, but listening to it now I am grooving on the "yeah yeah" backing vocals. It's good - I just think TJ is stronger.

But thanks for making me listen to it again and listen with a new focus on his vocal delivery.

Swa said:

piggyflower said:

agree

in privacy, his voice sounds like the hatred came from much deeper inside

Whilst I respect your opinion and adhear to "each to their own" I have to say Tabloid Junkie is one of my all time faves and that, along with Money, is a track I think most definitely should have been a single off HiStory. I love the chorus, that hook "just because you read it in a magazine / or see it on a tv screen / don't make it factual" is so heavy in context yet light in melody that it would have got people singing it first then thinking about the lyrics later.

Privacy, I have to say, isn't a song I listen to that often and whilst I appreciate it when it gets on, I do feel that as you say the "media exploitation" was tired by 2001, but listening to it now I am grooving on the "yeah yeah" backing vocals. It's good - I just think TJ is stronger.

But thanks for making me listen to it again and listen with a new focus on his vocal delivery.

Tabloid Junkie is In million times Better than Privacy, There is comparsion.

His vocals On Tabloid Junkie are unbelievable, clean and pristine , it should has been released as a single.....Great song.

While on Privacy his vocals are unnatural , weak melody, worst song on Invincible for sure

Motown came roaring into the ‘70s with a lot to create and celebrate. The rather discreet move from Detroit to Los Angeles may have left the Motor City in doubt. However, Berry Gordy could not have asked for a warmer welcome to California than how the fans responded to a slate of concerts at the premiere concert venue of the day, The Forum.

Not only were hit singles now accompanied by much more profitable hit albums, the diligence and hard work from its Artist Development training program was paying off as well. Having graduated from the high-end exclusive club bookings of the ‘60s, like The Copa and The Coconut Grove, superstars The Supremes, The Temptations and Marvin Gaye were now ready for an even greater challenge. First up was Diana Ross and the Supremes. The ladies set box office records at The Forum (18,000 seating capacity) in Los Angeles. Subsequently, The Temptations would break that record. But nothing quite compared to the sensational stint set by the new Motown superstars, The Jackson 5. The Jackson 5 would break the box office records set by both of their labelmates!

By the time the young men hit that stage on June 20, 1970, they had already sold 10 million albums globally with their debut album, ‘Diana Ross Presents….’ and the followup ‘ABC’ album. They could boast about having three #1 singles (and impressive B-side airplay with both “Who’s Lovin’ You”, the flip side of “I Want You Back”, and “I Found That Girl”, the flip of “The Love You Save”). With the maturation and pseudo-independence of Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder and Diana Ross, all tackling much more challenging, and ultimately, rewarding album projects, The Jackson 5 became the label’s top priority.

Led by a charismatic young man, Michael, the guys had already been through the Motown School of Artist Development. They had toured prior to being signed to Motown. They played The Apollo in 1967, winning the celebrated Amateur Night competition. Still, Berry commandeered the top label songwriters (labeling them “The Corporation” which included the CEO himself Berry Gordy, Alphonzo Mizell, Deke Richards and Freddie Perrin). Suzanne de Passe, Berry’s young up and coming protégé, became the Jackson 5’s personal guide. Under her tutelage, they perfected precision stage presence, choreography and costume styling.

Diana Ross’ leverage, as the label’s biggest superstar, was used to introduce the guys to the entertainment world. (History acknowledges that both Gladys Knight and Bobby Taylor first made Berry aware of their Apollo Theatre performances). The word “Presents” in their debut album title, somehow became misinterpreted as “discovered”, fueling endless discussions through the years. Diana Ross was in the audience when the album was recorded and Michael paid homage to her.

So when the band was introduced at The Forum that evening, they were more than ready. They boldly opened with their first #1 smash, “I Want You Back”. Michael shined, the band was tight and despite the Beatlemania-like hysteria from the audience, the music came through loud and clear. Delving into their debut album, the guys drove the frenzy with exciting versions of “Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah” and most impressively, “Who’s Lovin’ You”. It had always been the tradition at Motown to have their core artists record versions of some of the strongest Jobete copyrights. “Who’s Lovin’ You”, originally written and recorded by Smokey Robinson and The Miracles, quickly became associated with Michael and his brothers. It was quite amazing that a young 11 year-old lad could convincingly capture the passion of this minor classic.

With only a couple of albums under their belt, they rounded out the repertoire with covers of hits of the day like “There Was a Time” by James Brown. Michael had perfected Brown’s choreography and funkiness. (When they first auditioned for Motown, Michael did a stunning version of Brown’s “I Feel Good”) You can hear the crowd roaring as Michael probably was doing his on-point rendition of Brown’s song. The band also had the opportunity to show their musicianship during an extended jam. They also rocked out on Traffic’s “Feelin’ Alright”, Sly and the Family Stone’s “Thank You Falletinme Be Mice Elf Again”, The Isley Bros.’ “It’s Your Thing”, Dionne Warwick’s “Walk On By” and Stevie Wonder’s “Don’t Know Why I Love You” which they had also recorded for their ‘ABC’ album. The cover songs really allowed the group to stretch out and show they were as good in a live performance as they were in the studio.

“ABC” kept the energy moving at a near breakneck pace. You could almost hear the youthfulness in the audiences’ screams. Jermaine and Michael trade off on lead vocals, however, you still have to marvel at the promise and budding talent of one, Michael Joe Jackson.

To round out the first concert, the audience was treated to a rousing version of their third #1 smash, “The Love You Save”. The single was released exactly a month before the recording of their concert at The Forum. And once again, they gave the audience a hot version as if they had been performing it for most of their short life as superstars. Jermaine’s bass playing was pronounced and drove the song. At the end, the audience sang a brief a capella version of “The Love You Save”. There was no doubt that The Jackson 5 gave their fans everything they wanted and more.

On the second disc, both Michael and Jermaine took the spotlight individually, and sang songs from their solo albums. The concert was rounded out with more of The Jackson 5’s hit singles.

About two years later on August 26, 1972, the guys returned to The Forum for another string of sold out concerts. What made the recording of that show special was the inclusion of rare live versions of Michael’s early solo hits like “Got To Be There” and “I Wanna Be Where You Are”. The liner notes included with this album dubbed the evening almost “a greatest hits show”. Jermaine also got a chance to showcase his lead vocals on some of his earlier solo work. Probably the most famous of those songs would be “I Found That Girl” which was the B-side of “The Love You Save”. His heartthrob status guaranteed that he would get his share of applause and fans. There was a fun interplay between Jermaine and Jackie adding ad libs and soulful vocal nuances. “I Found That Girl” received a lot of airplay and in many ways, it was a hit in its own right, though it was B-side. He did a respectable, if not stirring version of “That’s How Love Goes”.

But, there was no doubt who the star of the show was. Along with the aforementioned “Got To Be There” and “I Wanna Be Where You Are”, Michael really dug into his first couple of solo albums. Included in his set were his #1 single, “Ben”, and album tracks like his covers of “Rockin’ Robin”, “You’ve Got a Friend” and Bill Withers’ “Ain’t No Sunshine”. There can be so much focus on Michael’s ability to dance and entertain that we forget that he was also a great singer. He took a very deliberate approach to “Ain’t No Sunshine” and delivers a deeply impassioned vocal performance. The spoken word piece he delivers before he begins to sing sounds like something someone a couple of decades older than he was at the time, would say. Once again, you sit in wonderment that he was so young, yet definitely an old soul. The song ends with a surprisingly effective drum solo before Michael yells out a riveting ending. On “I Wanna Be Where You Are”, he captures all the hypertension of the lyric, while closely approximating the original version.

Jermaine’s solo turn included his single, “Daddy’s Home” and a fairly straightforward cover of “Bridge Over Troubled Water”. It is pretty clear though that he comes up a little short, next to Michael. His best performance possibly comes from “I’m So Happy”, another B-side that got a degree of visibility.

The brothers come together on their latter day singles, the beautiful “Never Can Say Goodbye”, the frantic “Goin’ Back to Indiana” and the light and airy, “Looking Through the Window”. One of the showstoppers was their smash, “I’ll Be There”. Though Berry would later miss the boat by forbidding them to showcase their writing and producing skills, it was undeniable that with songs like “I’ll Be There”, they had top-notch material. Michael once again stole the spotlight from the group with an exciting performance.

These two concerts demonstrate why The Jackson 5 instantly became a global sensation. Michael’s talent was undeniable. In some ways, one wonders how he suppressed himself , for as long as he did, within the confines of a group. Michael’s Motown solo albums have attained a rather strange place in musical history. In some career retrospectives, sometimes they are not even included. It is as if it all began with ‘Off the Wall’. Jermaine would go on to make a brilliant album with L.A. and Babyface that, for political reasons, never saw the light of day. Of course, The Jackson 5 would morph into The Jacksons. After a couple of albums working with Gamble & Huff and their camp, they finally were artistically freed, resulting in the minor masterpiece, ‘Destiny’.

Included on both discs, are two separate versions of “Mama’s Pearl”.

RATING: 9

K. Bonin has worked in the music industry for the last three decades. He describes himself as "a child of Motown and the classic rock era." Having spent the balance of his career at Arista Records, his experience and passion gives him a unique perspective on music and the music industry. Kirk can be contacted via email at bokiluis@gmail.com

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Claire73 said:

Michael and Travis

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Is it just me or has that shot just been colourised from the black and white version and photoshopped to within an inch of it's life?

A new auction of MJ stuff is coming in october.

Most interesting is it contains the lyrics for morphine and clears up some of the often misquoted lyrics.

Michael Jackson's Rock & Roll Auction

GottaHaveIt.com

Swa said:

A new auction of MJ stuff is coming in october.

Most interesting is it contains the lyrics for morphine and clears up some of the often misquoted lyrics.

Michael Jackson's Rock & Roll Auction

GottaHaveIt.com

Unbelievable

Awwwww! we miss you, Michael..

Swa said:

piggyflower said:

agree

in privacy, his voice sounds like the hatred came from much deeper inside

Whilst I respect your opinion and adhear to "each to their own" I have to say Tabloid Junkie is one of my all time faves and that, along with Money, is a track I think most definitely should have been a single off HiStory. I love the chorus, that hook "just because you read it in a magazine / or see it on a tv screen / don't make it factual" is so heavy in context yet light in melody that it would have got people singing it first then thinking about the lyrics later.

Privacy, I have to say, isn't a song I listen to that often and whilst I appreciate it when it gets on, I do feel that as you say the "media exploitation" was tired by 2001, but listening to it now I am grooving on the "yeah yeah" backing vocals. It's good - I just think TJ is stronger.

But thanks for making me listen to it again and listen with a new focus on his vocal delivery.

Hey! I was the one who noticed his vocal delivery LOL.

Sorry to rain on this thread, but barely anyone on these MJ threads actually talk about his music. A few pictures are fine, but this flood of pictures 24/7 are something that are probably posted by the same people on actual MJ messageboards. It's overkill. I know Iam not the only one pised off by this. It's just abit too much.

seeingvoices12 said:

Swa said:

Whilst I respect your opinion and adhear to "each to their own" I have to say Tabloid Junkie is one of my all time faves and that, along with Money, is a track I think most definitely should have been a single off HiStory. I love the chorus, that hook "just because you read it in a magazine / or see it on a tv screen / don't make it factual" is so heavy in context yet light in melody that it would have got people singing it first then thinking about the lyrics later.

Privacy, I have to say, isn't a song I listen to that often and whilst I appreciate it when it gets on, I do feel that as you say the "media exploitation" was tired by 2001, but listening to it now I am grooving on the "yeah yeah" backing vocals. It's good - I just think TJ is stronger.

But thanks for making me listen to it again and listen with a new focus on his vocal delivery.

Tabloid Junkie is In million times Better than Privacy, There is comparsion.

His vocals On Tabloid Junkie are unbelievable, clean and pristine , it should has been released as a single.....Great song.

While on Privacy his vocals are unnatural , weak melody, worst song on Invincible for sure

I use to love "Tabloid junkie", but the beat reminds me abit too much of other Jam/Lewis productions (can't think what though). I love his vocals on the verses, but I just don't like the chorus much. As I said, I still like the song mind.

"Privacy" is an odd duck as its often very overlooked as yet another media bashing tirade (which it is LOL). As I said and others have mentioned, I really like his vocals on it. On "invincible", he did some different things with his vocals (other main one being "200 watts", which actually shocked me a little when I first heard it)....

I can just hear his venom in his voice with "privacy". Its passionate. It also makes it quite clear in the second verse that he was really hurt by Princess Diana's death (though the last line is questionable as Iam not sure what he means by "a cold winters night" line as she died in August).

It's a predictable track but for whatever reason, I dig it alot at the moment. I can see why people hate it though.

Worst track on "Invincible" for me is quite easily "you are my life". Awful song. Too simple. And whilst I don't mind predictability in MJ songs, that song just sounds so second rate Babyface.

Swa said:

A new auction of MJ stuff is coming in october.

Most interesting is it contains the lyrics for morphine and clears up some of the often misquoted lyrics.

Michael Jackson's Rock & Roll Auction

GottaHaveIt.com

What's that word after Took?

Is this really going to be a movie?

thesexofit said:

Hey! I was the one who noticed his vocal delivery LOL.

Sorry to rain on this thread, but barely anyone on these MJ threads actually talk about his music. A few pictures are fine, but this flood of pictures 24/7 are something that are probably posted by the same people on actual MJ messageboards. It's overkill. I know Iam not the only one pised off by this. It's just abit too much.

The MJ thread does usually talk about music more than anything. Either that or the latest stories that emerge. However, the previous stickies (I think we were up to part 13 by now) aren't here anymore. This one is still new.

Also, I don't mind the pictures. I think people only post the rare pics that haven't been seen before. I appreciate them! I don't visit other MJ boards - they're too chaotic anyway, so it's nice to have a simple place where we can share info, rare pics, etc.

thesexofit said:

Anyone prefer "privacy" over "tabloid junkie"? I know I do.

Is that odd to MJ fans? I don't go on MJ message boards but on here, "privacy" seems hated on. I really dig the voice he uses on it. Its sleazy sounding and I can't think of a song where he sings like that (Iam sure he does but my memory is blank at the moment).

"Tabloid junkie" is still a good track, but I never liked the chorus much. His media bashing songs by 2001 were getting tired as hell, but I still dig "Privacy". I like the oh so serious intro aswell LOL.

I think he does a similar vocal delivery in Shout, Morphine and probably some other song that I can't think of at the moment. I agree, I like the dark, roughness of his voice in those songs. However, I disagree with others that it's the worst song on Invincible. For me, Threatened takes the cake on that one!

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EmeraldSkies said:

Swa said:

A new auction of MJ stuff is coming in october.

Most interesting is it contains the lyrics for morphine and clears up some of the often misquoted lyrics.

Michael Jackson's Rock & Roll Auction

GottaHaveIt.com

What's that word after Took?

I was wondering the same thing. I think it says "Took life too far baby" Michael had sloppy handwriting. It's funny how he mixed lower/upper-case letters in one sentence, lol

MyLuv229 said:

thesexofit said:

Hey! I was the one who noticed his vocal delivery LOL.

Sorry to rain on this thread, but barely anyone on these MJ threads actually talk about his music. A few pictures are fine, but this flood of pictures 24/7 are something that are probably posted by the same people on actual MJ messageboards. It's overkill. I know Iam not the only one pised off by this. It's just abit too much.

The MJ thread does usually talk about music more than anything. Either that or the latest stories that emerge. However, the previous stickies (I think we were up to part 13 by now) aren't here anymore. This one is still new.

Also, I don't mind the pictures. I think people only post the rare pics that haven't been seen before. I appreciate them! I don't visit other MJ boards - they're too chaotic anyway, so it's nice to have a simple place where we can share info, rare pics, etc.

With that being said... I'd like to share some rare pics

In the interest of promoting musical discussions - here is my take on what are the essential, good, and weakest tracks of MJ's solo work. Be interested in what yours are - what you think are must listen to and what are just ok. Oh and caveat - i am saying weakest and by that do not mean totally weak but rather in comparison to the rest of the album.

Agree. Disagree. Explain. Respect.

My picks for MJ's Solo (Epic) Albums. What are yours?

OFF THE WALL

Essential Listening
Don't Stop Til You Get Enough
Rock With You
Working Day n Night
Get On The Floor
I Can't Help It

Good Tracks
Off The Wall
She's Out Of My Life
It's the Falling in Love
Burn This Disco Out

Weakest Tracks
Girlfriend


THRILLER

Essential Listening
Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'
Beat It
Billie Jean
Human Nature
The Lady In My Life

Good Tracks
Thriller
P.Y.T. (Pretty Young Thing)

Weakest Tracks
Baby Be Mine
The Girl is Mine


BAD

Essential Listening
The Way You Make Me Feel
Liberian Girl
Man in The Mirror
Dirty Diana
Smooth Criminal
Leave Me Alone

Good Tracks
Bad
Speed Demon
Another Part of Me
I Just Can't Stop Loving You

Weakest Tracks
Just Good Friends


DANGEROUS

Essential Listening
Jam
Why You Wanna Trip On Me
In The Closet
Remember The Time
Black or White
Who Is It
Give In To Me
Will You Be There

Good Tracks
She Drives Me Wild
Can't Let Her Get Away
Keep The Faith
Dangerous

Weakest Tracks
Heal The World
Gone Too Soon

HiStory

Essential Listening
Scream
They Don't Care About Us
Stranger In Moscow
Earth Song
Money
Tabloid Junkie
2 Bad
Smile

Good Tracks
This Time Around
Come Together
You Are Not Alone
History
Little Susie

Weakest Tracks
D.S.
Childhood


BLOOD ON THE DANCE FLOOR: HISTORY IN THE MIX

Essential Listening
Morphine
Ghost

Good Tracks
Blood On The Dance Floor
Superfly Sister
Is It Scary

Weakest Tracks


INVINCIBLE

Essential Listening
Heartbreaker
Break of Dawn
You Rock My World
Butterflies
Cry
Whatever Happens

Good Tracks
Unbreakable
Invincible
Heaven Can Wait

Weakest Tracks
Speechless
2,000 Watts
You Are My Life
Privacy
The Lost Children
Don't Walk Away
Threatened

MyLuv229 said:

thesexofit said:

Hey! I was the one who noticed his vocal delivery LOL.

Sorry to rain on this thread, but barely anyone on these MJ threads actually talk about his music. A few pictures are fine, but this flood of pictures 24/7 are something that are probably posted by the same people on actual MJ messageboards. It's overkill. I know Iam not the only one pised off by this. It's just abit too much.

The MJ thread does usually talk about music more than anything. Either that or the latest stories that emerge. However, the previous stickies (I think we were up to part 13 by now) aren't here anymore. This one is still new.

Also, I don't mind the pictures. I think people only post the rare pics that haven't been seen before. I appreciate them! I don't visit other MJ boards - they're too chaotic anyway, so it's nice to have a simple place where we can share info, rare pics, etc.

I guess that was not against the pictures but against the wallpapers (and their reposts). They're beautiful but a bit oversized and take small eternity to load.

MyLuv229 said:

Gary Owen on Michael Jackson and Jesus

Kinda funny.

Wow, yall left without me. I was wondering why I saw no new activity on the MJ thread. I was like damned Bboy must be on vacation or something. Then it dawned on me that the last thread was really slow and full, and so I hunted and found yall.

Reel said:

Wow, yall left without me. I was wondering why I saw no new activity on the MJ thread. I was like damned Bboy must be on vacation or something. Then it dawned on me that the last thread was really slow and full, and so I hunted and found yall.

I'm sitting there still chewing over your 'catharsis' post.

I guess I ought to say something but first when I'm back from vacation

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thesexofit said:

Swa said:

Whilst I respect your opinion and adhear to "each to their own" I have to say Tabloid Junkie is one of my all time faves and that, along with Money, is a track I think most definitely should have been a single off HiStory. I love the chorus, that hook "just because you read it in a magazine / or see it on a tv screen / don't make it factual" is so heavy in context yet light in melody that it would have got people singing it first then thinking about the lyrics later.

Privacy, I have to say, isn't a song I listen to that often and whilst I appreciate it when it gets on, I do feel that as you say the "media exploitation" was tired by 2001, but listening to it now I am grooving on the "yeah yeah" backing vocals. It's good - I just think TJ is stronger.

But thanks for making me listen to it again and listen with a new focus on his vocal delivery.

Hey! I was the one who noticed his vocal delivery LOL.

Sorry to rain on this thread, but barely anyone on these MJ threads actually talk about his music. A few pictures are fine, but this flood of pictures 24/7 are something that are probably posted by the same people on actual MJ messageboards. It's overkill. I know Iam not the only one pised off by this. It's just abit too much.

Love the pictures, love the music.. This about Michael and that includes every aspect of who he was.