Hidden ad-libs. I LOVE THEM!

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Militant said:

Timmy84 said:

I don't know... I'm hearing what could've been a demo for Bad.

It sounds somewhere in the middle ground of Post-Thriller and Pre-Bad personally to me. Can't really tell a great deal from such a short clip though.

Captain EO era? LOL

Well the snippet is not Thriller era to me, i'm guessing this based on the instrumentation. Who knows how many versions of the songs are there? There's lot of those songs. We'll see.

ViintageJunkiie said:

Hidden ad-libs. I LOVE THEM!

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I can listen to Mike's ad-libs background vocals etc all day. The King of harmonies.

NMuzakNSoul said:

Well the snippet is not Thriller era to me, i'm guessing this based on the instrumentation. Who knows how many versions of the songs are there? There's lot of those songs. We'll see.

Both Frank DiLeo and Bruce confirm that it is from the Thriller sessions. It's possible and most likely that MJ re-recorded it at a later era for inclusion on another album

ViintageJunkiie said:

Timmy84 said:

Excerpt from an article back in 2007 during the Thriller 25 campaign.

In addition, Lopez says that four tracks left off "Thriller" in 1983 will be included. Jackson’s longtime producer Bruce Swedien, who no longer works with the pop star, told me that one track he knows of is a killer. It’s called "Don't Be Messin’ Around." Swedien doesn’t know any of the other tracks left off the album but said there may be some out there.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,302533,00.html

I really believe that it was worked on a couple of times and the version from Thriller is still locked up. The clip I posted is most likely from sessions post Thriller. When it was leaked, the tag said it was from 1990

ViintageJunkiie said:

NMuzakNSoul said:

Well the snippet is not Thriller era to me, i'm guessing this based on the instrumentation. Who knows how many versions of the songs are there? There's lot of those songs. We'll see.

Both Frank DiLeo and Bruce confirm that it is from the Thriller sessions. It's possible and most likely that MJ re-recorded it at a later era for inclusion on another album

the version I posted is most likely post Thriller. I heard it was considered for Dangerous too

similar to what he did with Little Susie, Liberian Girl, They Don't Care About Us, and For All Time

bboy87 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Both Frank DiLeo and Bruce confirm that it is from the Thriller sessions. It's possible and most likely that MJ re-recorded it at a later era for inclusion on another album

the version I posted is most likely post Thriller. I heard it was considered for Dangerous too

similar to what he did with Little Susie, Liberian Girl, They Don't Care About Us, and For All Time

that's what i mean. i don't doubt when the song was created. i'm sure it can be Thriller era. Look at Liberian Girl and Dirty Diana for instance. But specifically the snippet I assume is a later version of a song already created prior.

It doesn't really matter though. A new Mike song ANY era is better than porn.

ViintageJunkiie said:

NMuzakNSoul said:

Well the snippet is not Thriller era to me, i'm guessing this based on the instrumentation. Who knows how many versions of the songs are there? There's lot of those songs. We'll see.

Both Frank DiLeo and Bruce confirm that it is from the Thriller sessions. It's possible and most likely that MJ re-recorded it at a later era for inclusion on another album

He probably was given the song around '82 and then record it later. That was the case with "For All Time".

Timmy84 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Both Frank DiLeo and Bruce confirm that it is from the Thriller sessions. It's possible and most likely that MJ re-recorded it at a later era for inclusion on another album

He probably was given the song around '82 and then record it later. That was the case with "For All Time".

The song is also listed among songs recorded with buxer in 2009

"Boy No" "Changes" "Days In Gloucestershire" "Don't Be Messin'" "Hollywood" "I Am A Loser" "Innocent Man" "Jungle" "Just Remember" "Light The Way" "Michael's Affirmation" "Neverland Landing" "Pray For Peace" "Rocker" "Thank Heaven" "World Of Candy"

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seeingvoices12 said:

Timmy84 said:

He probably was given the song around '82 and then record it later. That was the case with "For All Time".

The song is also listed among songs recorded with buxer in 2009

"Boy No" "Changes" "Days In Gloucestershire" "Don't Be Messin'" "Hollywood" "I Am A Loser" "Innocent Man" "Jungle" "Just Remember" "Light The Way" "Michael's Affirmation" "Neverland Landing" "Pray For Peace" "Rocker" "Thank Heaven" "World Of Candy"

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are those from 2009 ? i thought t hey where from 2007

seeingvoices12 said:

Timmy84 said:

He probably was given the song around '82 and then record it later. That was the case with "For All Time".

The song is also listed among songs recorded with buxer in 2009

"Boy No" "Changes" "Days In Gloucestershire" "Don't Be Messin'" "Hollywood" "I Am A Loser" "Innocent Man" "Jungle" "Just Remember" "Light The Way" "Michael's Affirmation" "Neverland Landing" "Pray For Peace" "Rocker" "Thank Heaven" "World Of Candy"

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Neverland Landing? MJ mentioned that track waaay back in 1993

*ahem*

http://www.showbiz411.com...ts-readers

MyLuv229 said:

*ahem*

http://www.showbiz411.com...ts-readers

The article is a definitely a mix of old quotes and info we already know but the estate definitely confirmed it (a fan with a source at Sony said that they were planning to announce it this month)

Random thoughts as I watch The Jacksons: An American Dream on VH-1 tonight

for like the 10000th time in my life:

1) How could Jermaine not have some anomosity towards Randy for, more or less, replacing him when he didn't exit Motown with his brothers?

2) Watching the "Billie Jean" sequence in the film reminds me of how nice it is to hear Michael's music on the radio on a regular basis again. (It wasn't like that June 24th and before that for several years here in America.) Anyway, as nice as him being "popular" again is, I'd give it all back for him to still be here. I hate that he isn't alive. I fucking miss checking MJstar.com, Roger's blog, and TMZ to see where Michael was each given week.

3) I hope Michael was happy before he passed. He truly deserved his last moments on this earth to be happy ones.

4) I wish he would come back. Somehow. I so want a shooting star for Michael. Even when the new album comes out, as amazing as it will be to have more new music, it just WON'T be the same without Michael around to promote it. As great as the video game will be, it just WON'T have the magic that even Thriller 25 had, just by a simple statement of Michael saying he was excited about it.

5) He was..is..my hero. Period.

more rare audio

Workin Day And Night from the 1993 Dangerous Tour rehearsals

bboy87 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

I really believe that it was worked on a couple of times and the version from Thriller is still locked up. The clip I posted is most likely from sessions post Thriller. When it was leaked, the tag said it was from 1990

How sure are you that the snippet is legit? Only reason I ask is because there were a few fake demos out here claiming to be legit...like this fake demo of "Rolling The Dice" from the Thriller session

ViintageJunkiie said:

bboy87 said:

I really believe that it was worked on a couple of times and the version from Thriller is still locked up. The clip I posted is most likely from sessions post Thriller. When it was leaked, the tag said it was from 1990

How sure are you that the snippet is legit? Only reason I ask is because there were a few fake demos out here claiming to be legit...like this fake demo of "Rolling The Dice" from the Thriller session

The person who leaked out the snippet was the same person who leaked the snippets of Can't Get Your Weight Off Me and the other small snippets of Another Day, so I'm gonna lean towards the legit

and I remember that Rolling The Dice fake. Some fans were swearing up and down that it was real

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bboy87 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

How sure are you that the snippet is legit? Only reason I ask is because there were a few fake demos out here claiming to be legit...like this fake demo of "Rolling The Dice" from the Thriller session

The person who leaked out the snippet was the same person who leaked the snippets of Can't Get Your Weight Off Me and the other small snippets of Another Day, so I'm gonna lean towards the legit

and I remember that Rolling The Dice fake. Some fans were swearing up and down that it was real

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Well we need to get the full version dammit! Once I hear MJ's voice, it'll be easier to pin point the year (you know how we can tell the era's by looking at MJs face and listening to his voice lol).. Im not gonna lie, I thought Rolling The Dice was legit, until I realized that the snippets of him talking were from the 93 Depo

ViintageJunkiie said:

bboy87 said:

The person who leaked out the snippet was the same person who leaked the snippets of Can't Get Your Weight Off Me and the other small snippets of Another Day, so I'm gonna lean towards the legit

and I remember that Rolling The Dice fake. Some fans were swearing up and down that it was real

[Edited 8/1/10 0:44am]

Well we need to get the full version dammit! Once I hear MJ's voice, it'll be easier to pin point the year (you know how we can tell the era's by looking at MJs face and listening to his voice lol).. Im not gonna lie, I thought Rolling The Dice was legit, until I realized that the snippets of him talking were from the 93 Depo

The guy who posted it on Youtube will delete your comments if you say that it's fake

bboy87 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Well we need to get the full version dammit! Once I hear MJ's voice, it'll be easier to pin point the year (you know how we can tell the era's by looking at MJs face and listening to his voice lol).. Im not gonna lie, I thought Rolling The Dice was legit, until I realized that the snippets of him talking were from the 93 Depo

The guy who posted it on Youtube will delete your comments if you say that it's fake

haha I'll just rip the video and post it on MY page and confirm that it's fake

ViintageJunkiie said:

bboy87 said:

The guy who posted it on Youtube will delete your comments if you say that it's fake

haha I'll just rip the video and post it on MY page and confirm that it's fake

on your facebook?

LOVED his ad-libs on "Rock With You"!

bboy87 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

haha I'll just rip the video and post it on MY page and confirm that it's fake

on your facebook?

LOL on my Facebook,Youtube, AND Twitter

Timmy84 said:

LOVED his ad-libs on "Rock With You"!

Me too! I'd love to hear more ad-libs from different songs ..

ViintageJunkiie said:

Timmy84 said:

LOVED his ad-libs on "Rock With You"!

Me too! I'd love to hear more ad-libs from different songs ..

I know right? There has to be more.

Timmy84 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Me too! I'd love to hear more ad-libs from different songs ..

I know right? There has to be more.

I'd love to hear the Billie Jean ad-libs also ..

~ continuing the weekly discussion of MJ's albums - this week BAD - share with us your thoughts of the album then and now ~

BAD

After the seemingly unstoppable triumph that was Thriller, the pressure was truly on MJ and team to bring the goods with the follow up. Whilst Quincy has often said their attitude was to just forget they had ever made Thriller, its shadow was always going to be caste over the remainder of Michael's releases.

As an album Bad was full of ambition and lofty goals. It wanted to break new ground but was also tethered to blueprint Thriller had made. 

I still remember running to the record store to grab my pre-ordered version on vinyl. Holding the album in my hands I quickly scanned the tracklisting to see if some of the songs I had heard rumours of were on it - hmmm no Crack Kills with Run DMC. Racing home I put the needle into the groove and sat back to listen.

With a climbing crescendo of synth stabs Bad burst through the speakers. A funky crawling bass line taunts as an underpin to the track, while a thin yet multilayered percussive blip punctures the air. Michael's voice had a sense of tease to it as he spat out each line of the lyric. The nice additions of music as the track progresses, the chords that bubble from the organ, the wah wah guitar that hits accents, and the synth bed that swarms takes the song from verse and ascends to the chorus. And here in the midst of the chorus is the weakest point of the song - those backing vocals with their "really really bad" falsetto deliveries don't exude the threat they should. For me it's these lines that date the song more than anything. I've always wondered if the song had been recorded without them would it sound funkier. Thankfully the blissful organ solo rescues the song somewhat as does the funk guitar riffs smattered throughout. And who doesn't smile hearing "because I'm smoooooth" and those horns hitting. Dated it might be, but there are still elements of the track that don't make it a total cringe moment.

With a pure pop sensibility The Way You Make Me Feel is one of Michael's catchiest compositions. His vocals are near flawless, and there is a sense of joy in his delivery that is very reminiscent of the finest moments on Off The Wall. With a deep mix of layers the song was destined to be a hit, especially when those Jackson harmonies kick in on the chorus. As Bad introduced "chamon" to the lexicon, The Way You Make Me Feel introduced buz-i-ness. And this track is the business - everything on it is right in the pocket.

Speed Demon is a love hate track for me - though thankfully more love than hate. I get suckered in with the feel of it, and that rattling bass during the chorus, but the lyrics do make you feel like it doesn't take itself too seriously, and that's where the track suffers. That said Michael's delivery in the bridge is out of this world. Maybe it's just that the song that should be funky, comes off feeling a little too produced and digital when a few organic/real instruments would have delivered a better punch, especially in the drums department.

Liberian Girl is one of Michael's most underrated tracks in my opinion. It's a beautiful composition with a lush arrangements that doesn't over power the song but allows it to float. And once again, the way Michael uses phrasing and a range of mid and high notes work perfectly, and those harmonies are perfect, especially when backing the ad libs in the final minute of the track.

Just Good Friends to meet was the filler of the album. It just felt throwaway and although both Stevie and Michael give great vocal deliveries, it does feel a little bit too bright and poppy. If only "Get It" had been recorded earlier it could have made it here in it's place. And here's something I never thought I would say, but Just Good Friends is a poor man's The Girl Is Mine.

Another Part of Me will always have a special place in my memory as I am immediately taken to all the Captain EO viewings I managed to sneak in during a trip to Disneyland. For me, this track was ok, not a standout and really only saw its real potential when played live where it had more spark and funk.

What can you say about Man In The Mirror. It's become Michael's "Imagine" and fittingly so. And while some will be quick to point out it's not a Michael penned song, the way he invests in it vocally makes it truly his. And for many Man In The Mirror showed a new side of Michael, a gospel side. His vocals are honest and dripping in humanity. The way he twists and climbs the melody to the choruses and key change just take the song to another level. And for me it's the final 2 minutes that really make this song with Michael in call and response mode, just laying it all out there and taking on the role of both preacher and convert. Undoubtedly the unexpected stand out of the album.

I Just Stop Loving You whilst the designated love song of the album does start with the overly produced and sugar sweet arrangements that would later mark some of Michael's weaker songs. Whilst you can't deny it's catchy qualities or the way on first listen you spend half the time thinking "who is singing this line", the song just feels a little too fluffy. For me the love song on the album was Liberian Girl, it had more heart.

Dirty Diana followed the "rock track" blueprint of Beat It. Get a hot current guitarist in and let them lose on the track. Thankfully though, Michael doesn't go for Beat It part two, but actually tries to push his time in rockland. The production here is perfect and Michael's retelling of seduction thankfully boarders on the believable.

Smooth Criminal was another unexpected highlight and what a way to finish the album. The urgency in the bassline forms the foundation of the vocal delivery and allows the progression of the narrative to feel vibrant and fresh. To this day this is a favourite track that just makes you want to get up and dance. One of my favourite moments is hearing Michael's "doah" being sampled and then played back as a melody line at the 2:50 mark, something I didn't really notice for a long time.

Leaving Leave Me Alone from the main album was a true sin in track selection. give me this over Just Good Friends any day. Thankfully it appearing as a bonus track on the CD (somewhat unheard of at the time) made it even more valuable. The song just shuffles along effortlessly and has Michael displaying some of his best vocals on record. And hearing his scat like stabs during the synth solo (also treated trough a vocoder) brings an extra sense of joy to the track.

Whilst a few songs on BAD don't hold so well many years later (and here I point to the instrumentation selection that sounded fresh at the time but quickly dated) the album still holds some quintessential Michael moments.

And while it might not have the consistency of Thriller, it certainly came packed with a few hits and let's not forget it was the first album to spawn 5 consecutive number 1s. Artistically speaking it was a step forward, but perhaps not the leap many fans had hoped for, but for a new generation of fans it was the perfect introduction to Michael.

Swa

motownlover said:

seeingvoices12 said:

The song is also listed among songs recorded with buxer in 2009

"Boy No" "Changes" "Days In Gloucestershire" "Don't Be Messin'" "Hollywood" "I Am A Loser" "Innocent Man" "Jungle" "Just Remember" "Light The Way" "Michael's Affirmation" "Neverland Landing" "Pray For Peace" "Rocker" "Thank Heaven" "World Of Candy"

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are those from 2009 ? i thought t hey where from 2007