bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

I'm mad that album's promotion stopped when it did. Then again I can understand what Michael was going through. I know he wanted to do his best with the album and for some reason due to label politics wasn't able to so he just said "fuck it".

When it happened and Michael spoke out against Sony, people were giving him the side eye for it, but after he passed away and people like Chris Rooney talked about it, you finally see what he meant. It wasn't just people wanting the catalog, but people who felt that Michael needed to do what they wanted him to do

I remember Toure' saying "Well, it was a garbage album and what label is going to promote a garbage album?"

Record labels do that all the time! and it was a Michael Jackson album, they were guaranteed to make some bank from it, but you barely knew the album was out here in the states. You Rock My World barely got any promotion, no physical singles released, Butterflies was a centimeter away from the #1 spot on R&B chart and a release of a CD single would've gotten it there

They released Cry, which was a HORRIBLE single choice overseas and it flopped hard. Michael didn't even bother showing up for the video

the promotion was a factor in the fate but the album itself shares some blame. Heartbreaker, 2000 Watts, Cry, The Lost Children, and Threatened needed to be taken off and replaced with Another Day and maybe Beautiful Girl

I don't remember hearing anything about Invincible when it came out. The only thing I remember about the era was the NYC Madison Square Garden concert and You Rock My World. After that, its jus tlike what the heck happened?

At the same time, I also think Invincible did not carry the typical Michael Jackson stamp associated with all the other albums previous to it.

Plus MJ looked plain disinterested.

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I knew about the album but it didn't have the same excitement Dangerous and HIStory produced and I was old enough to experience the excitement MJ generated from those releases. You could tell any excitement Invincible had was tampered with anyway by, like I said, label politics.

Timmy84 said:

I knew about the album but it didn't have the same excitement Dangerous and HIStory produced and I was old enough to experience the excitement MJ generated from those releases. You could tell any excitement Invincible had was tampered with anyway by, like I said, label politics.

I was 5 when Dangerous was out and I remember it vividly. Black or White premiering on MTV and Fox (we recorded the Fox premiere), the More Dangerous Than Ever special with the making of Remember The Time, The Oprah interview, Michael's appearance at the Grammys, the My Dinner With Michael special that I missed because I went to a wack ass American Gladiators event (I STILL haven't seen the special ) the release of the album with the cardboard stands and the longbox case that CDs used to come in, and the premiere of the Jacksons: An American Dream movie

bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

I knew about the album but it didn't have the same excitement Dangerous and HIStory produced and I was old enough to experience the excitement MJ generated from those releases. You could tell any excitement Invincible had was tampered with anyway by, like I said, label politics.

I was 5 when Dangerous was out and I remember it vividly. Black or White premiering on MTV and Fox (we recorded the Fox premiere), the More Dangerous Than Ever special with the making of Remember The Time, The Oprah interview, Michael's appearance at the Grammys, the My Dinner With Michael special that I missed because I went to a wack ass American Gladiators event (I STILL haven't seen the special ) the release of the album with the cardboard stands and the longbox case that CDs used to come in, and the premiere of the Jacksons: An American Dream movie

I kinda saw the My Dinner with Michael thing. I think it was on MTV

Mark Ronson remixed Butterflies some months back and played it at a show in NY. Sam Sparro played the full cut on his podcast awhile ago and it's great. I'll try to rip the audio

suga10 said:

I don't remember hearing anything about Invincible when it came out. The only thing I remember about the era was the NYC Madison Square Garden concert and You Rock My World. After that, its jus tlike what the heck happened?

9/11 happened. And for a while the idea of frivolous pop music wasn't that important any more. Thus the rush release of Cry which then messed with the way the album should have or would have rolled out.

Not saying it was the reason why it bombed, but more that the whole mood.

And whilst YRMW was a good lead single - it didn't sound like anything new or fresh, the video didn't help it either as it felt like either the video they would have shot for Dangerous or a rehash of Smooth Criminal. Nothing fresh and exciting like Scream was or Black or White was.

bboy87 said:

Mark Ronson remixed Butterflies some months back and played it at a show in NY. Sam Sparro played the full cut on his podcast awhile ago and it's great. I'll try to rip the audio

Would love to hear that.

bboy87 said:

Mark Ronson remixed Butterflies some months back and played it at a show in NY. Sam Sparro played the full cut on his podcast awhile ago and it's great. I'll try to rip the audio

Would love to hear that.

bboy87 said:

Mark Ronson remixed Butterflies some months back and played it at a show in NY. Sam Sparro played the full cut on his podcast awhile ago and it's great. I'll try to rip the audio

Nice.

yeah I remember HIStory hype too and a lot of people buying it (I got mine late though, it was too expensive for me and I was not settling for buying the cassettes) so it felt weird not having Invincible hype.

something urrks me about debbie row

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This sweet and precious little rarity (from the 1995 J-5 boxset Soulsation!) just came up on my iPod and I fell back in bliss with it. I forgot how great this song really was and I don't know why this was never added on one of their earlier releases from 1970-72 as it wouldn't sound out of place. Could've been a big hit if it was. I think I remember a bit of this played on a segment of their 1971 Going Back to Indiana TV special...Great song!

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This is for new fans and longtime fans who want to keep track

The Guide To The Music Of Michael Jackson (the highlights are just my opinion )

December 12, 1969- Diana Ross Presents The Jackson 5
highlights:
Nobody
I Want You Back
Can You Remember
Who's Lovin' You



May 8, 1970- ABC
highlights:
The Love You Save
Don't Know Why I Love You
2468
ABC
Never Had A Dream Come True


September 8, 1970- Third Album
highlights:
Darling Dear
I'll Be There
Ready Or Not (Here I Come)
Can I See You In The Morning
Mama's Pearl

October 15, 1970- The Jackson 5's Christmas Album
highlights:
The Little Drummer Boy
Give Love On Christmas Day
Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas


April 1971- Maybe Tomorrow
highlights:
Maybe Tomorrow
She's Good
Never Can Say Goodbye
The Wall
It's Great To Be Here


September 29, 1971-Goin' Back To Indiana TV Soundtrack
highlights:
Feelin' Alright
Walk On/The Love You Save
Goin' Back To Indiana
Maybe Tomorrow

December 1971- The Jackson's Greatest Hits
Sugar Daddy

January 24, 1972- Got To Be There
highlights:
Ain't No Sunshine
I Wanna Be Where You Are
In Our Small Way
Got To Be There
Maria (You Were The Only One)
You've Got A Friend


May 17, 1972- Lookin' Through The Windows
highlights:
Lookin' Through The Windows
Don't Let Your Baby Catch You
To Know
If I Have To Move A Mountain
Children Of The Light


August 4, 1972- Ben
highlights:
Ben
Greatest Show On Earth
We've Got A Good Thing Going
What Goes Around Come Around
Shoo-Be-Doo-Be-Doo-Da-Day


March 29, 1973- Skywriter
highlights:
Corner Of The Sky
I Can't Quit Your Love
Uppermost
Ooh I'd Love To Be With You
You Made Me What I Am


April 13, 1973- Music And Me
highlights:
With A Child's Heart
Up Again
Happy
Too Young
Euphoria
Music And Me


July 1973- In Japan!
highlights:
Lookin' Through The Windows
Superstition
I Wanna Be Where You Are



September 12, 1973- Get It Together
highlights:
Get It Together
Don't Say Goodbye Again
Hum Along And Dance
It's Too Late To Change The Time
Dancing Machine


September 5, 1974- Dancing Machine
highlights:
I Am Love
Whatever You Got, I Want
She's A Rhythm Child
What You Don't Know
If I Don't Love You This Way
The Mirrors of My Mind


January 16, 1975- Forever, Michael
highlights:
We're Almost There
Take Me Back
One Day In You Life
You Are There


May 15, 1975- Moving Violation
highlights:
Forever Came Today
Moving Violation
(You Were Made) Especially For Me
All I Do For You
Body Language



October 26, 1976- Joyful Jukebox Music
Joyful Jukebox Music
You're My Best Friend, My Love
Love Is The Thing You Need
We're Here To Entertain You
We're Gonna Change Our Style


November 1976- The Jacksons
highlights:
Enjoy Yourself
Good Times
Blues Away
Show You The Way To Go
Style Of Life


October 1977- Goin' Places
highlights
Music's Takin' Over
Different Kind Of Lady
Even Though You're Gone
Jump For Joy
Do What You Wanna


December 17, 1978- Destiny
highlights:
THE WHOLE ALBUM

January 1979- Boogie
highlights:
One Day I'll Marry You
I Was Made To Love Her
Oh I've Been Blessed


August 10, 1979- Off The Wall
highlights:
THE WHOLE ALBUM


July 3, 1980- Triumph
highlights:
Can You Feel It
Lovely One
Your Ways
Heartbreak Hotel
Time Waits For No One
Walk Right Now



1981- The Jacksons Live!
highlights:
Can You Feel It
Ben
I Want You Back/ABC/The Love You Save
Workin' Day And Night


December 2, 1982- Thriller
highlights:
Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'
Beat It
Billie Jean
Human Nature
The Lady In My Life



May 1984- Farewell My Summer Love
highlights:
Don't Let It Get You Down
Melodie
Girl You're So Together
Farewell My Summer Love
Call On Me



July 6, 1984- Victory
highlights:
Wait
One More Chance
Be Not Always
The Hurt



February 11, 1986- Looking Back At Yesterday
highlights:
When I Come Of Age
Give Me Half A Chance
Lonely Teardrops
You're Good For Me
Who's Looking for A Lover



August 30, 1987- BAD
highlights:
Bad
The Way You Make Me Feel
Liberian Girl
Another Part Of Me
Man In The Mirror
Dirty Diana
Smooth Criminal


October 1987- The Original Soul Of Michael Jackson
highlights
Dancing Machine (1987 mix)
Ain't No Sunshine (1987 Mix)
Forever Came Today (1987 Mix)



November 26, 1991- Dangerous
highlights:
Jam
In The Closet
Remember The Time
Can't Let Her Get Away
Black Or White
Who Is It
Give In To Me
Will You Be There
Dangerous



1995-Soulsation!
highlights:
Can't Get Ready For Losing You
I'm Glad It Rained
A Fool For You
Coming Home
You Ain't Giving Me What I Want (So I'm Taking It All Back)



June 1995- HIStory: Past, Present, and Future Book I
highlights:
Scream
They Don't Care About Us
Stranger In Moscow
Earth Song
Money
Childhood
Tabloid Junkie
Little Susie
Smile


February 1997- Blood On The Dancefloor: HIStory In The Mix
highlights:
Blood On The Dancefloor
Morphine
Is It Scary
Superfly Sister


October 30, 2001- Invincible
highlights:
Unbreakable
Break Of Dawn
Heaven Can Wait
Butterflies
Speechless
Don't Walk Away
Whatever Happens


November 23, 2003-Number Ones
One More Chance



November 14, 2004- The Ultimate Collection
highlights:
Sunset Driver
PYT (Original Demo)
Scared Of The Moon
We Are The World (Solo Demo)
Someone Put Your Hand Out
Monkey Business
Fall Again
On The Line
The Way You Love Me
We've Had Enough



September 2009- I Want You Back!: The Unreleased Masters
Love Call
I'll Try You'll Try Maybe We'll All Get By
Buttercup
Lucky Day



October 2009- This Is It
highlights:
Beat It (Demo)
She's Out Of My Life (Demo)
This Is It (Orchestra Version)



June 2010- The Jackson 5: Live At The Forum
highlights:
Feelin' Alright (1970)
I Want You Back (1970)
There Was A Time (1970)
Who's Lovin' You (1970)
I'm So Happy (1972)
Lookin' Through The Windows (1972)
Got To Be There (1972)
You've Got A Friend (1972)

Michael in Israel, 1993.

Today I sang "Ben" at my friend's open house....I got emotional...but I think I did well. Audience loved it.

Hope I made him proud...

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bboy87 said:

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....Never figured u for a Madonna fan, bboy...careful...the fangirls are gonna be after your ass

SherryJackson said:

bboy87 said:

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....Never figured u for a Madonna fan, bboy...careful...the fangirls are gonna be after your ass

I'm not. I just thought it was a cool picture

bboy87 said:

SherryJackson said:

....Never figured u for a Madonna fan, bboy...careful...the fangirls are gonna be after your ass

I'm not. I just thought it was a cool picture

Is the pictures photoshopped or not. I think it is, but I just wanna make sure.

dag said:

bboy87 said:

I'm not. I just thought it was a cool picture

Is the pictures photoshopped or not. I think it is, but I just wanna make sure.

The original photo was of Madonna and Warren Beatty (Dick Tracy era).

*sigh* beautiful.....

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Timmy84 said:

dag said:

Is the pictures photoshopped or not. I think it is, but I just wanna make sure.

The original photo was of Madonna and Warren Beatty (Dick Tracy era).

Thanks, Timmy.