thesexofit said:

bboy87 said:

Yeah the 2001 shows definitely weren't the best shows he did. I always thought it had to do with the work he done on his face earlier that year (he looked good in 1999 and part of 2000) but yeah he did look drowsy and just flat out "I really don't give a fuck about these shows"

I'm still pissed off that the autograph signing was ON MY BIRTHDAY and I was a thousand miles away. He could've at least did one in California!

I also feel he was out of shape (he had packed on some weight)

I heard the show at the Apollo that he did a couple of months later was alot better and from what we've seen in This Is It, he did MUCH better in those rehearsals than the 2001 shows

LOL, I would of loved to go to the signing. I liked his haircut in that era LOL. I got a tiny clip from somewhere on some documentary and he says to the camera "I love you MTV. Love Michael Jackson". It was just before either the MTV Awards or his aniversay concerts, and the way he said it LOL. He sounded so bored and drowsy LOL. A shame, but kinda funny aswell.

I still laugh at Randy shouting "you down with O.P.P!" during "ABC" and the scowling look michael gave him. A tour with his brothers back then could of been a laugh LOL. Marlon danced better then Michael on that performance. How many times can you say that about Marlon LOL. He rocked that night

Bytheway, you know the aniversary concerts were 2 nights, anyone seen both performances by himself and his brothers?

Someone sneaked a camera in for the first show and got a really good quality recording. He sounded pretty good during the Jacksons reunion section. The solo parts were lipsynched/live but he was a bit more interactive with the audience, which was kinda cool

The first show's little skit (where the brothers are trying to remember what was their first song) is better than the way they did it on the second night (which was in the broadcast).

Michael sang a line of Never Can Say Goodbye and he and Randy have a big brother/little brother exchange where Michael cuts him off and says "Hey, don't talk when I'm talking"

Marlon rocked it that night. You can tell he was still practicing all those years You can feel the bond between him and Michael when you watch it by simple gestures

bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

They re-released all the Jacksons albums in Japan in mini LP cases (paper sleeve)

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thanks to Korgnex for this info

• The Jacksons - 2009 digital master
• Goin' Places - 2009 digital master
• Destiny - 2008 digital master
  identical with the "Expanded Edition", also known as "Legacy Edition" or "30th Anniversary Edition"
  bonus tracks:
  • "Blame It On The Boogie [John Luongo Disco Mix]" - 7:01 min
  • "Shake Your Body (Down To The Ground) [John Luongo Disco Mix]" - 8:38 min
• Triumph - 2008 digital master
  identical with the "Expanded Edition", also known as "Legacy Edition"
  bonus tracks:
  • "Heartbreak Hotel [Single Edit]" - 4:53 min
  • "Walk Right Now [John Luongo Disco Mix]" - 7:38 min
  • "Walk Right Now [John Luongo Instrumental Mix]" - 6:58 min
• The Jacksons Live - 2009 digital master
  the cardboard Mini-LP edition has 2 CDs to resemble the original Vinyl release
  bonus track:
  "Workin' Day And Night (2008 Live Edit)" - 4:34 min
  this edit was issued on the Japanese THRILLER 25 Singles Collection
• Victory - 2009 digital master
• 2300 Jackson Street - 2010 digital master
• (BRAND-NEW and ONLY available as Jewel Case CD)

they need to relese the concert on video! we don't ned more re-releases

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^ Damn they really need to release that Victory tour DVD.....

And Destiny and Triumph tour too. Not to mention, the BAD concert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Last week, my Dad found a John Denver concert DVD from 1981 in Walmart and he's not even as big as a star as Michael yet he gets all his concerts released.

OMG, I'm afraid I'm going to be old and gray before they start releasing them.

@Silverchild... The J5 live at the forum seems pretty interesting. Do you recommend it?

Asymphony5 said:

^ Damn they really need to release that Victory tour DVD.....

And Destiny and Triumph tour too. Not to mention, the BAD concert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Last week, my Dad found a John Denver concert DVD from 1981 in Walmart and he's not even as big as a star as Michael yet he gets all his concerts released.

OMG, I'm afraid I'm going to be old and gray before they start releasing them.

@Silverchild... The J5 live at the forum seems pretty interesting. Do you recommend it?

silverchild said:

Asymphony5 said:

^ Damn they really need to release that Victory tour DVD.....

And Destiny and Triumph tour too. Not to mention, the BAD concert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Last week, my Dad found a John Denver concert DVD from 1981 in Walmart and he's not even as big as a star as Michael yet he gets all his concerts released.

OMG, I'm afraid I'm going to be old and gray before they start releasing them.

@Silverchild... The J5 live at the forum seems pretty interesting. Do you recommend it?

I would definitely recommend the new Hip-O Select release of J5's Live At The Forum. I'm afraid to say that many of the versions of their classics that are present on both the 1970 and 1972 concerts are alittle better and relevatory than the studio versions. I mean, you just have listen to Michael's Rockin' Robin during the 1972 concert on the second disc and listen for yourself. You will be amazed trust me. Hip-O Select are by far the best reissue company in America today.

I wonder if Hip O Select has a say in what they can release. Like does Motown give them the material or do they say "Ya know, this needs to be reissued, let's go with that"

Because there's that Jackson 5-Stevie Wonder album is somewhere in those vaults....

thesexofit said:

I know its gonna be seen as negative, but admit it folks, in 2001, during the aniversay concerts (which was mostly a shambles) and that awkward Nsync MTV awards during "pop", he was definately on some sort of painkillers. He looked drowsy as hell! He looked better during his New York press signing (which i thought was cool), but you look at him and those performances and he was off! Considering how drugged up he was he probably did pretty well, but he was still off somewhat.

Iam not blaming him, but I just wish he didn't have to do those performances. I guess thats what you have to do when your promoting. Perform in any weather, no matter how you feel, but it was still odd to see him like that. I know his diehard fans know he was off a little. And that MTV Nsync bit was really terrible. Fair enough you have one bad performance, but he looked weak and tired at the aniversary concerts aswell.

I agree. Michael didn't really seem himself. Before I would have just put it down to nerves. I dont think Michael came across as very confident. He seemed to want to cover his mouth all the time. I also sensed alot of animosity with the brothers,esp Randy who pushed Michael away during the stupid "OPP" bit he was trying to do

bboy87 said:

silverchild said:

I would definitely recommend the new Hip-O Select release of J5's Live At The Forum. I'm afraid to say that many of the versions of their classics that are present on both the 1970 and 1972 concerts are alittle better and relevatory than the studio versions. I mean, you just have listen to Michael's Rockin' Robin during the 1972 concert on the second disc and listen for yourself. You will be amazed trust me. Hip-O Select are by far the best reissue company in America today.

I wonder if Hip O Select has a say in what they can release. Like does Motown give them the material or do they say "Ya know, this needs to be reissued, let's go with that"

Because there's that Jackson 5-Stevie Wonder album is somewhere in those vaults....

Well I think when Hip-O reissues some product from these various labels, they do have some control in what they want to release and materialize on their reissues (not alot, but some). And um about that classic Stevie Wonder produced MJ/J5 album from '73-'74 that is undeservingly collecting dust in the vault...I don't think that will surface in this world until God forbid Stevie passes away (which is a shame because I think it will be a remarkable thing to witness). Who knows???? Maybe that is in the works now.

thesexofit said:

I know its gonna be seen as negative, but admit it folks, in 2001, during the aniversay concerts (which was mostly a shambles) and that awkward Nsync MTV awards during "pop", he was definately on some sort of painkillers. He looked drowsy as hell! He looked better during his New York press signing (which i thought was cool), but you look at him and those performances and he was off! Considering how drugged up he was he probably did pretty well, but he was still off somewhat.

Iam not blaming him, but I just wish he didn't have to do those performances. I guess thats what you have to do when your promoting. Perform in any weather, no matter how you feel, but it was still odd to see him like that. I know his diehard fans know he was off a little. And that MTV Nsync bit was really terrible. Fair enough you have one bad performance, but he looked weak and tired at the aniversary concerts aswell.

Unfortunately I think this was one of Michael's weakest performance on both counts. The NSync MTV pop moment felt terribly unrehearsed and that final moment with MJ holding the pop bottle was just cringe worthy - though there are a few brief moments that still manage to make me smile.

As for the 30th Anniversary - yeah he didn't look that great in that period and although some moments of the performance were good it did feel a little all over the shop. For me though, I still got excited seeing him do the whole theatrical intro to Billie Jean and some of that dancing was still on point. I also enjoyed seeing him and the Jacksons back together and thought it was a good balance.

My fave part of the whole night though is when Usher is trying to outdo Mike and almost collides with him - you just know MJ would have been "um this is my stage jnr".

Swa

silverchild said:

bboy87 said:

I wonder if Hip O Select has a say in what they can release. Like does Motown give them the material or do they say "Ya know, this needs to be reissued, let's go with that"

Because there's that Jackson 5-Stevie Wonder album is somewhere in those vaults....

Well I think when Hip-O reissues some product from these various labels, they do have some control in what they want to release and materialize on their reissues (not alot, but some). And um about that classic Stevie Wonder produced MJ/J5 album from '73-'74 that is undeservingly collecting dust in the vault...I don't think that will surface in this world until God forbid Stevie passes away (which is a shame because I think it will be a remarkable thing to witness). Who knows???? Maybe that is in the works now.

I believe Steve had to give the OK for Buttercup to be released, at the least I was surprised that got released (and it's a great song) hopefully we'll hear more in the coming years.

NMuzakNSoul said:

silverchild said:

Well I think when Hip-O reissues some product from these various labels, they do have some control in what they want to release and materialize on their reissues (not alot, but some). And um about that classic Stevie Wonder produced MJ/J5 album from '73-'74 that is undeservingly collecting dust in the vault...I don't think that will surface in this world until God forbid Stevie passes away (which is a shame because I think it will be a remarkable thing to witness). Who knows???? Maybe that is in the works now.

I believe Steve had to give the OK for Buttercup to be released, at the least I was surprised that got released (and it's a great song) hopefully we'll hear more in the coming years.

Yeah that's true.

bboy87 said:

thesexofit said:

I know its gonna be seen as negative, but admit it folks, in 2001, during the aniversay concerts (which was mostly a shambles) and that awkward Nsync MTV awards during "pop", he was definately on some sort of painkillers. He looked drowsy as hell! He looked better during his New York press signing (which i thought was cool), but you look at him and those performances and he was off! Considering how drugged up he was he probably did pretty well, but he was still off somewhat.

Iam not blaming him, but I just wish he didn't have to do those performances. I guess thats what you have to do when your promoting. Perform in any weather, no matter how you feel, but it was still odd to see him like that. I know his diehard fans know he was off a little. And that MTV Nsync bit was really terrible. Fair enough you have one bad performance, but he looked weak and tired at the aniversary concerts aswell.

Yeah the 2001 shows definitely weren't the best shows he did. I always thought it had to do with the work he done on his face earlier that year (he looked good in 1999 and part of 2000) but yeah he did look drowsy and just flat out "I really don't give a fuck about these shows"

I'm still pissed off that the autograph signing was ON MY BIRTHDAY and I was a thousand miles away. He could've at least did one in California!

I also feel he was out of shape (he had packed on some weight)

I heard the show at the Apollo that he did a couple of months later was alot better and from what we've seen in This Is It, he did MUCH better in those rehearsals than the 2001 shows

He looked great a bit chubby. I wish he didn´t lose it because of that stupid trial.

As for the release of the Jacksons dvd

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MyLuv229 said:

cdcgold said:

Common sense should have told you there is no way to bleach your skin that white.

now please shut the fuck up. You are like a broken record.

[Edited 7/13/10 20:45pm]

Careful.. Reel might dismiss you completey by saying you worship Michael as a God and that the autopsy report might be "photoshopped"

Ehm... Perhaps somebody here could explain it to me (?)

I was never quite able to comprehend why is it so awfully important if MJ did or did not have vitiligo, did or did not bleach his skin or did or did not want to be black.

Why dating white women, having white kids and distancing from his blackness sounds like such a terrible, apalling accusation - and also why MJ fans feel they need to prove the opposite with all their might?

I mean, why does he need defence on this one at all?

OK, he wanted to be white - So what?

I do believe that as African American he had made a few rather painfull experiences in his youth - more than it is officially known - and from what I know about racism in US on the whole I just can't blame him for "not wanting to be black".

He had white kids - So what?

He probably wanted to spare his children the experience he had made himself, what is so wrong about it?

He hated his race and his African American hair - SO WHAT? [the quote was from here: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article440193.ece]

Really, it has been so much said about deep-rooted African American self-hatred, social ratings in dependence of skin shade and also bleaching, wigs, hair-dying... MJ was here just not different than the others

Personally I tend to believe that he did bleach his skin , purposively erased his African features and none of his kids is his biologically, but I have no problems with any of that.

I mean, it's a pity of course, because he used to be an unbelievably beautiful black boy and genes like his need to be propagated, but that were still his own personal issues and noway a POLITICAL matter.

Nor a crime.

(The guy wanted to be accepted. Wanted to please as much people as possible. I bet the politics was the last thing on his mind).

Oh, and I do understand (or I think that I understand) everything about black folks wanting him to be "their face", example, emblem, etc. and being disappointed; but the whites also make sound "not wanting to be black" like a criminal charge - Why should it bother them at all?

...Actually, this sounds more like accusation of being African American [ ] and not knowing his place, somehow.

(Anyone?)

[Edited 7/16/10 16:07pm]

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greatpink said:

MyLuv229 said:

Careful.. Reel might dismiss you completey by saying you worship Michael as a God and that the autopsy report might be "photoshopped"

Ehm... Perhaps somebody here could explain it to me (?)

I was never quite able to comprehend why is it so awfully important if MJ did or did not have vitiligo, did or did not bleach his skin or did or did not want to be black.

Why dating white women, having white kids and distancing from his blackness sounds like such a terrible, apalling accusation - and also why MJ fans feel they need to prove the opposite with all their might?

I mean, why does he need defence on this one at all?

OK, he wanted to be white - So what?

I do believe that as African American he had made a few rather painfull experiences in his youth - more than it is officially known - and from what I know about racism in US on the whole I just can't blame him for "not wanting to be black".

He had white kids - So what?

He probably wanted to spare his children the experience he had made himself, what is so wrong about it?

He hated his race and his n***r hair - SO WHAT?

Really, it has been so much said about deep-rooted African American self-hatred, social ratings in dependence of skin shade and also bleaching, wigs, hair-dying... MJ was here just not different than the others

Personally I tend to believe that he did bleach his skin , purposively erased his African features and none of his kids is his biologically, but I have no problems with any of that.

I mean, it's a pity of course, because he used to be an unbelievably beautiful black boy and genes like his need to be propagated, but that were still his own personal issues and noway a POLITICAL matter.

Nor a crime.

(The guy wanted to be accepted. Wanted to please as much people as possible. I bet the politics was the last thing on his mind).

Oh, and I do understand (or I think that I understand) everything about black folks wanting him to be "their face", example, emblem, etc. and being disappointed; but the whites also make sound "not wanting to be black" like a criminal charge - Why should it bother them at all?

...Actually, this sounds more like accusation of being n***r and not knowing his place, somehow.

(Anyone?)

[Edited 7/16/10 12:28pm]

Nah, Michael loved who he represented but he also loved being a human being too. I don't think he hated his race at all like you think he did. Everything that led to his changes had to do with skin disease, change in hair texture, body weight, and surgeries on his nose and chin. Whenever you saw his face looking thin, it was because of weight, it wasn't because of surgery. I just doubt that he hated his race.

greatpink said:

MyLuv229 said:

Careful.. Reel might dismiss you completey by saying you worship Michael as a God and that the autopsy report might be "photoshopped"

Ehm... Perhaps somebody here could explain it to me (?)

I was never quite able to comprehend why is it so awfully important if MJ did or did not have vitiligo, did or did not bleach his skin or did or did not want to be black.

Why dating white women, having white kids and distancing from his blackness sounds like such a terrible, apalling accusation - and also why MJ fans feel they need to prove the opposite with all their might?

I mean, why does he need defence on this one at all?

OK, he wanted to be white - So what?

I do believe that as African American he had made a few rather painfull experiences in his youth - more than it is officially known - and from what I know about racism in US on the whole I just can't blame him for "not wanting to be black".

He had white kids - So what?

He probably wanted to spare his children the experience he had made himself, what is so wrong about it?

He hated his race and his n***r hair - SO WHAT?

Really, it has been so much said about deep-rooted African American self-hatred, social ratings in dependence of skin shade and also bleaching, wigs, hair-dying... MJ was here just not different than the others

Personally I tend to believe that he did bleach his skin , purposively erased his African features and none of his kids is his biologically, but I have no problems with any of that.

I mean, it's a pity of course, because he used to be an unbelievably beautiful black boy and genes like his need to be propagated, but that were still his own personal issues and noway a POLITICAL matter.

Nor a crime.

(The guy wanted to be accepted. Wanted to please as much people as possible. I bet the politics was the last thing on his mind).

Oh, and I do understand (or I think that I understand) everything about black folks wanting him to be "their face", example, emblem, etc. and being disappointed; but the whites also make sound "not wanting to be black" like a criminal charge - Why should it bother them at all?

...Actually, this sounds more like accusation of being n***r and not knowing his place, somehow.

(Anyone?)

[Edited 7/16/10 12:28pm]

I'm trying to point out all the wrong things in this post.....but it's gonna take time......

^ Well first things first... the n word...

Timmy84 said:

^ Well first things first... the n word...

lawd....and I think that ain't even the worst part

bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

^ Well first things first... the n word...

lawd....and I think that ain't even the worst part

Yeah basically.

Timmy84 said:

bboy87 said:

lawd....and I think that ain't even the worst part

Yeah basically.

See... Many things in my post might be wrong. Let's face it: we don't know. Not a thing. It's all about personal meanings, impressions and feelings, that are not really important.

(And I tell you, I was DEEPLY impressed by Prince Michaels dyed hair )

The question was: why are we discussing this at all? And why is it such a big deal?

Honestly, when I read the statements like "MJ should marry a nice black woman" or "He should adopt black kids" - it's always on the tip of my tongue: "Why the f*** SHOULD he anything? And who gave you the right to say something like this?"

Do the folks in black community own their members? And feel entitled to tell them what they "should"?

It's not because I want MJ for myself

Perhaps we are just stupid here in Europe

greatpink said:

MyLuv229 said:

Careful.. Reel might dismiss you completey by saying you worship Michael as a God and that the autopsy report might be "photoshopped"

Ehm... Perhaps somebody here could explain it to me (?)

I was never quite able to comprehend why is it so awfully important if MJ did or did not have vitiligo, did or did not bleach his skin or did or did not want to be black.

Why dating white women, having white kids and distancing from his blackness sounds like such a terrible, apalling accusation - and also why MJ fans feel they need to prove the opposite with all their might?

I mean, why does he need defence on this one at all?

OK, he wanted to be white - So what?

I do believe that as African American he had made a few rather painfull experiences in his youth - more than it is officially known - and from what I know about racism in US on the whole I just can't blame him for "not wanting to be black".

He had white kids - So what?

He probably wanted to spare his children the experience he had made himself, what is so wrong about it?

He hated his race and his n***r hair - SO WHAT?

Really, it has been so much said about deep-rooted African American self-hatred, social ratings in dependence of skin shade and also bleaching, wigs, hair-dying... MJ was here just not different than the others

Personally I tend to believe that he did bleach his skin , purposively erased his African features and none of his kids is his biologically, but I have no problems with any of that.

I mean, it's a pity of course, because he used to be an unbelievably beautiful black boy and genes like his need to be propagated, but that were still his own personal issues and noway a POLITICAL matter.

Nor a crime.

(The guy wanted to be accepted. Wanted to please as much people as possible. I bet the politics was the last thing on his mind).

Oh, and I do understand (or I think that I understand) everything about black folks wanting him to be "their face", example, emblem, etc. and being disappointed; but the whites also make sound "not wanting to be black" like a criminal charge - Why should it bother them at all?

...Actually, this sounds more like accusation of being n***r and not knowing his place, somehow.

(Anyone?)

[Edited 7/16/10 12:28pm]

What the fuck is wrong with you? Since when are non-black people obligated to use that word "N***er"? Hell, I don't even like the word N***a. I think you need a damn reality check and you don't know what was going on in MJ's head and you don't know shit about black people. My God, I'm so tired of ignorant fucks. Now, I do believe MJ had some problems but your post is just ridiculous. And FYI muthsfucka, not ever black person looks like MJ back when he was a young adult. Man.

greatpink said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah basically.

See... Many things in my post might be wrong. Let's face it: we don't know. Not a thing. It's all about personal meanings, impressions and feelings, that are not really important.

(And I tell you, I was DEEPLY impressed by Prince Michaels dyed hair )

The question was: why are we discussing this at all? And why is it such a big deal?

Honestly, when I read the statements like "MJ should marry a nice black woman" or "He should adopt black kids" - it's always on the tip of my tongue: "Why the f*** SHOULD he anything? And who gave you the right to say something like this?"

Do the folks in black community own their members? And feel entitled to tell them what they "should"?

It's not because I want MJ for myself

Perhaps we are just stupid here in Europe

It's a joke that people say...it's not suppose to be taken literally.

Not stupid, but some of you are very ignorant.

[Edited 7/16/10 13:53pm]

greatpink said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah basically.

See... Many things in my post might be wrong. Let's face it: we don't know. Not a thing. It's all about personal meanings, impressions and feelings, that are not really important.

(And I tell you, I was DEEPLY impressed by Prince Michaels dyed hair )

The question was: why are we discussing this at all? And why is it such a big deal?

Honestly, when I read the statements like "MJ should marry a nice black woman" or "He should adopt black kids" - it's always on the tip of my tongue: "Why the f*** SHOULD he anything? And who gave you the right to say something like this?"

Do the folks in black community own their members? And feel entitled to tell them what they "should"?

It's not because I want MJ for myself

Perhaps we are just stupid here in Europe

Well don't blame it on an entire black community. I'm a black American but I would've never said MJ should do this to "prove" he was black. He was a black man and proud of it but he also wanted to unify the world. I just doubt he hated who he was because if you read all those rumors and believe it, you only have a misguided view of who Michael really was.

Timmy84 said:

greatpink said:

See... Many things in my post might be wrong. Let's face it: we don't know. Not a thing. It's all about personal meanings, impressions and feelings, that are not really important.

(And I tell you, I was DEEPLY impressed by Prince Michaels dyed hair )

The question was: why are we discussing this at all? And why is it such a big deal?

Honestly, when I read the statements like "MJ should marry a nice black woman" or "He should adopt black kids" - it's always on the tip of my tongue: "Why the f*** SHOULD he anything? And who gave you the right to say something like this?"

Do the folks in black community own their members? And feel entitled to tell them what they "should"?

It's not because I want MJ for myself

Perhaps we are just stupid here in Europe

Well don't blame it on an entire black community. I'm a black American but I would've never said MJ should do this to "prove" he was black. He was a black man and proud of it but he also wanted to unify the world. I just doubt he hated who he was because if you read all those rumors and believe it, you only have a misguided view of who Michael really was.

Ignorance is a disease.

NastradumasKid said:

greatpink said:

Ehm... Perhaps somebody here could explain it to me (?)

I was never quite able to comprehend why is it so awfully important if MJ did or did not have vitiligo, did or did not bleach his skin or did or did not want to be black.

Why dating white women, having white kids and distancing from his blackness sounds like such a terrible, apalling accusation - and also why MJ fans feel they need to prove the opposite with all their might?

I mean, why does he need defence on this one at all?

OK, he wanted to be white - So what?

I do believe that as African American he had made a few rather painfull experiences in his youth - more than it is officially known - and from what I know about racism in US on the whole I just can't blame him for "not wanting to be black".

He had white kids - So what?

He probably wanted to spare his children the experience he had made himself, what is so wrong about it?

He hated his race and his n***r hair - SO WHAT?

Really, it has been so much said about deep-rooted African American self-hatred, social ratings in dependence of skin shade and also bleaching, wigs, hair-dying... MJ was here just not different than the others

Personally I tend to believe that he did bleach his skin , purposively erased his African features and none of his kids is his biologically, but I have no problems with any of that.

I mean, it's a pity of course, because he used to be an unbelievably beautiful black boy and genes like his need to be propagated, but that were still his own personal issues and noway a POLITICAL matter.

Nor a crime.

(The guy wanted to be accepted. Wanted to please as much people as possible. I bet the politics was the last thing on his mind).

Oh, and I do understand (or I think that I understand) everything about black folks wanting him to be "their face", example, emblem, etc. and being disappointed; but the whites also make sound "not wanting to be black" like a criminal charge - Why should it bother them at all?

...Actually, this sounds more like accusation of being n***r and not knowing his place, somehow.

(Anyone?)

[Edited 7/16/10 12:28pm]

What the fuck is wrong with you? Since when are non-black people obligated to use that word "N***er"? Hell, I don't even like the word N***a. I think you need a damn reality check and you don't know what was going on in MJ's head and you don't know shit about black people. My God, I'm so tired of ignorant fucks. Now, I do believe MJ had some problems but your post is just ridiculous. And FYI muthsfucka, not ever black person looks like MJ back when he was a young adult. Man.

Calm down, alright?

I don't know the f*** about the black people, that's right. So I am trying to understand.

I can't know for sure what he did or did not, and what went through his head; but I said if he did, I won't have a problem with it.

And sorry for N-word - I must have red too many post with this kind of lingo.

greatpink said:

NastradumasKid said:

What the fuck is wrong with you? Since when are non-black people obligated to use that word "N***er"? Hell, I don't even like the word N***a. I think you need a damn reality check and you don't know what was going on in MJ's head and you don't know shit about black people. My God, I'm so tired of ignorant fucks. Now, I do believe MJ had some problems but your post is just ridiculous. And FYI muthsfucka, not ever black person looks like MJ back when he was a young adult. Man.

Calm down, alright?

I don't know the f*** about the black people, that's right. So I am trying to understand.

I can't know for sure what he did or did not, and what went through his head; but I said if he did, I won't have a problem with it.

And sorry for N-word - I must have red too many post with this kind of lingo.

Where? Not on this website. I'm not trying to be mean but I had to call you out. You were really asking for it when you made that post. Your post was out of line...like seriously.